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Posted by duchesslibro
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This thread creates a bit of a silly and somewhat pointless discussion, air in itself is not stable at all (which means a stable air sun sign would come from it having earthy placements elsewhere in the chart, not from its primary quality of being..air)

...which is exactly what makes the conversation interesting. It requires quite a bit of abstract thinking. It is perhaps impractical but certainly not pointless.

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Its still pointless because the premises are false to begin with.

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Definitely not Gemini šŸ˜›

Aquas are the most stable, their true ruler is Saturn after all (not Uranus)

Saturn is exalted in Libra, which nullifies the argument.

If you think exaltation is more powerful than rulership, then you need to start reading more on astrology.

Exaltation means "too much of it", it doesnt necessarily mean that both energies are the most compatible. Rulership however, is where the energies find themselves at home, making the energy flux natural. A planet that finds itself in a sign of exaltation doesnt feel as comfortable as in its sign of rulership.

In theory, indeed it is so. However, being an Aqua Saturn myself I haven't found a single Libra Saturn native who were any less at grips with themselves than me. If anything, I look up to exalted Saturn for guidance and it never fails to disappoint.

Aqua saturn doesnt make you an Aqua sun, its not even comparable, so your deduction is wrong.

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True, though sun does not rule Aqua either, so going back to sq. 1 about rulership, your argument is again invalid. Aqua has two rulers, no matter how you look at it. You can diss Uranus out all you like.

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I would not exactly label Virgo (mutable, mind you) "very very stable." Mercury gives Gemini and Virgo loads of nervous energy. Anyone really close to a Gem or Vir influenced individual can see/feel it. It's palpable.

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Posted by RamOfPeace
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Definitely not Gemini šŸ˜›

Aquas are the most stable, their true ruler is Saturn after all (not Uranus)

Saturn is exalted in Libra, which nullifies the argument.

If you think exaltation is more powerful than rulership, then you need to start reading more on astrology.

Exaltation means "too much of it", it doesnt necessarily mean that both energies are the most compatible. Rulership however, is where the energies find themselves at home, making the energy flux natural. A planet that finds itself in a sign of exaltation doesnt feel as comfortable as in its sign of rulership.

In theory, indeed it is so. However, being an Aqua Saturn myself I haven't found a single Libra Saturn native who were any less at grips with themselves than me. If anything, I look up to exalted Saturn for guidance and it never fails to disappoint.

Aqua saturn doesnt make you an Aqua sun, its not even comparable, so your deduction is wrong.

True, though sun does not rule Aqua either, so going back to sq. 1 about rulership, your argument is again invalid. Aqua has two rulers, no matter how you look at it. You can diss Uranus out all you like.

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then shouldnt you make a topic on Saturn signs?? not Sun signs then?

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Posted by duchesslibro
I would not exactly label Virgo (mutable, mind you) "very very stable." Mercury gives Gemini and Virgo loads of nervous energy. Anyone really close to a Gem or Vir influenced individual can see/feel it. It's palpable.

ohhh it's VERY stable. if you know Virgos or double virgos personally it has a very strong stability.

you just don't see it, but in action its very very stable.

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Virgo being a dualistic sign (half bird, half human) NEEDS to have a mutable quality. The whole mission of mutable signs is to try and unify what seem like opposing energies/ideas. This is where creativity comes from.

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The element of Virgo makes it stable but it's ruling planet modifies that. So stable, yes. "Very very stable," no. Taurus is "very very stable." Virgo is just stable, without any emphasis.

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Posted by RamOfPeace
You all surely saw that this thread was meant to be half serious, half humorous. As a Gemini moon, I am quite amused at all these people overreacting. #winning

your gemini moon makes you seem "fickle"

and changeable.

it's not a bad thing though. Just changeable, when you want to "win" an argument (your aries) and maybe your mars.

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why?because you argue based on sun, then go to saturn, then try to make it out that it's all about saturn which is strongly stable.

now if anyone wants to see who is really stable....go to the full definition online and look to your character traits and SEE if you are really stable.

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She reminds me of my Gemini moon dad...whenever he starts a discussion and his logic is repeteadly proved flawed he then does a 180 turn and accuses everyone of taking him too seriously šŸ˜›

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personally i would say none, just based on sun alone. because air is never stable. it cant be. look at the air element out there.

air sitting still would make for stinky farts.

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The point is, everytime that people on this thread make a claim about which air sign is the most stable, its not only going to be based on their own experiences with air sign people, it is also going to depend on the stabilizing factors of that air sign person's chart, and those stabilizing factors (besides upbringing, societal conditioning, etc) will be coming from non-air factors in their charts..

So really, everybody here is right, and wrong at the same time šŸ˜„

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Posted by BoomShakalakaBoom
The point is, everytime that people on this thread make a claim about which air sign is the most stable, its not only going to be based on their own experiences with air sign people, it is also going to depend on the stabilizing factors of that air sign person's chart, and those stabilizing factors (besides upbringing, societal conditioning, etc) will be coming from non-air factors in their charts..

So really, everybody here is right, and wrong at the same time šŸ˜„

Not everyone bases their opinions solely on personal experience.. Many think in terms of astrological theory as well.

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Posted by duchesslibro
Posted by BoomShakalakaBoom
The point is, everytime that people on this thread make a claim about which air sign is the most stable, its not only going to be based on their own experiences with air sign people, it is also going to depend on the stabilizing factors of that air sign person's chart, and those stabilizing factors (besides upbringing, societal conditioning, etc) will be coming from non-air factors in their charts..

So really, everybody here is right, and wrong at the same time šŸ˜„

Not everyone bases their opinions solely on personal experience.. Many think in terms of astrological theory as well.

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Yes, but astrology isnt an exact science, it also relies purely on interpretation rather than numbers. Which is why there are so many different "astrology schools", there is no such thing as ONE astrological theory.

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Posted by BoomShakalakaBoom
Posted by duchesslibro
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The point is, everytime that people on this thread make a claim about which air sign is the most stable, its not only going to be based on their own experiences with air sign people, it is also going to depend on the stabilizing factors of that air sign person's chart, and those stabilizing factors (besides upbringing, societal conditioning, etc) will be coming from non-air factors in their charts..

So really, everybody here is right, and wrong at the same time šŸ˜„

Not everyone bases their opinions solely on personal experience.. Many think in terms of astrological theory as well.

Yes, but astrology isnt an exact science, it also relies purely on interpretation rather than numbers. Which is why there are so many different "astrology schools", there is no such thing as ONE astrological theory.

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Yes. I'm just saying.. plenty on dxp can discuss objectively. It seemed like you were saying every poster only responds based on their own subjective experience.

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Posted by duchesslibro
Posted by BoomShakalakaBoom
Posted by duchesslibro
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The point is, everytime that people on this thread make a claim about which air sign is the most stable, its not only going to be based on their own experiences with air sign people, it is also going to depend on the stabilizing factors of that air sign person's chart, and those stabilizing factors (besides upbringing, societal conditioning, etc) will be coming from non-air factors in their charts..

So really, everybody here is right, and wrong at the same time šŸ˜„

Not everyone bases their opinions solely on personal experience.. Many think in terms of astrological theory as well.

Yes, but astrology isnt an exact science, it also relies purely on interpretation rather than numbers. Which is why there are so many different "astrology schools", there is no such thing as ONE astrological theory.

Yes. I'm just saying.. plenty on dxp can discuss objectively. It seemed like you were saying every poster only responds based on their own subjective experience.

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Well I mean, if you get to the bare essentials, arent we all here just speaking from subjective experience? Theres nothing wrong with it, theres just no way you can talk about astrology and be fully objective.

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Posted by BoomShakalakaBoom
Posted by duchesslibro
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Posted by duchesslibro
Posted by BoomShakalakaBoom
The point is, everytime that people on this thread make a claim about which air sign is the most stable, its not only going to be based on their own experiences with air sign people, it is also going to depend on the stabilizing factors of that air sign person's chart, and those stabilizing factors (besides upbringing, societal conditioning, etc) will be coming from non-air factors in their charts..

So really, everybody here is right, and wrong at the same time šŸ˜„

Not everyone bases their opinions solely on personal experience.. Many think in terms of astrological theory as well.

Yes, but astrology isnt an exact science, it also relies purely on interpretation rather than numbers. Which is why there are so many different "astrology schools", there is no such thing as ONE astrological theory.

Yes. I'm just saying.. plenty on dxp can discuss objectively. It seemed like you were saying every poster only responds based on their own subjective experience.

Well I mean, if you get to the bare essentials, arent we all here just speaking from subjective experience? Theres nothing wrong with it, theres just no way you can talk about astrology and be fully objective.

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Yes. There was a post about that a few weeks ago.. but some people have the cognitive ability to add a strong objective element to their thought process that can harmonize with or nearly override subjectivity. Mental dexterity.

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Posted by duchesslibro
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Posted by duchesslibro
Posted by BoomShakalakaBoom
Posted by duchesslibro
Posted by BoomShakalakaBoom
The point is, everytime that people on this thread make a claim about which air sign is the most stable, its not only going to be based on their own experiences with air sign people, it is also going to depend on the stabilizing factors of that air sign person's chart, and those stabilizing factors (besides upbringing, societal conditioning, etc) will be coming from non-air factors in their charts..

So really, everybody here is right, and wrong at the same time šŸ˜„

Not everyone bases their opinions solely on personal experience.. Many think in terms of astrological theory as well.

Yes, but astrology isnt an exact science, it also relies purely on interpretation rather than numbers. Which is why there are so many different "astrology schools", there is no such thing as ONE astrological theory.

Yes. I'm just saying.. plenty on dxp can discuss objectively. It seemed like you were saying every poster only responds based on their own subjective experience.

Well I mean, if you get to the bare essentials, arent we all here just speaking from subjective experience? Theres nothing wrong with it, theres just no way you can talk about astrology and be fully objective.

Yes. There was a post about that a few weeks ago.. but some people have the cognitive ability to add a strong objective element to their thought process that can harmonize with or nearly override subjectivity. Mental dexterity.

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Well I have doubts on the objectivity of that objective element. I would change the word objectivity here for "synthesis", indeed..there are people who have the ability to synthesize knowledge to the point it encompasses a whole bunch of (in theory) contradictory ideas. However this process is also objective. My point is, there is no real way of measuring objectivity because every human being is merely an observer of an experience, and as such will always have a filter through which experiences will be interpreted

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Posted by duchesslibro
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Posted by duchesslibro
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Posted by duchesslibro
Posted by BoomShakalakaBoom
The point is, everytime that people on this thread make a claim about which air sign is the most stable, its not only going to be based on their own experiences with air sign people, it is also going to depend on the stabilizing factors of that air sign person's chart, and those stabilizing factors (besides upbringing, societal conditioning, etc) will be coming from non-air factors in their charts..

So really, everybody here is right, and wrong at the same time šŸ˜„

Not everyone bases their opinions solely on personal experience.. Many think in terms of astrological theory as well.

Yes, but astrology isnt an exact science, it also relies purely on interpretation rather than numbers. Which is why there are so many different "astrology schools", there is no such thing as ONE astrological theory.

Yes. I'm just saying.. plenty on dxp can discuss objectively. It seemed like you were saying every poster only responds based on their own subjective experience.

Well I mean, if you get to the bare essentials, arent we all here just speaking from subjective experience? Theres nothing wrong with it, theres just no way you can talk about astrology and be fully objective.

Yes. There was a post about that a few weeks ago.. but some people have the cognitive ability to add a strong objective element to their thought process that can harmonize with or nearly override subjectivity. Mental dexterity.

Well I have doubts on the objectivity of that objective element. I would change the word objectivity here for "synthesis", indeed..there are people who have the ability to synthesize knowledge to the point it encompasses a whole bunch of (in theory) contradictory ideas. However this process is also objective. My point is, there is no real way of measuring objectivity because every human being is merely an observer of an experience, and as such will always have a filter through which experiences will be interpreted

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I mean the process is *subjective* not objective

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Posted by BoomShakalakaBoom
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Posted by BoomShakalakaBoom
Posted by duchesslibro
Posted by BoomShakalakaBoom
The point is, everytime that people on this thread make a claim about which air sign is the most stable, its not only going to be based on their own experiences with air sign people, it is also going to depend on the stabilizing factors of that air sign person's chart, and those stabilizing factors (besides upbringing, societal conditioning, etc) will be coming from non-air factors in their charts..

So really, everybody here is right, and wrong at the same time šŸ˜„

Not everyone bases their opinions solely on personal experience.. Many think in terms of astrological theory as well.

Yes, but astrology isnt an exact science, it also relies purely on interpretation rather than numbers. Which is why there are so many different "astrology schools", there is no such thing as ONE astrological theory.

Yes. I'm just saying.. plenty on dxp can discuss objectively. It seemed like you were saying every poster only responds based on their own subjective experience.

Well I mean, if you get to the bare essentials, arent we all here just speaking from subjective experience? Theres nothing wrong with it, theres just no way you can talk about astrology and be fully objective.

Yes. There was a post about that a few weeks ago.. but some people have the cognitive ability to add a strong objective element to their thought process that can harmonize with or nearly override subjectivity. Mental dexterity.

Well I have doubts on the objectivity of that objective element. I would change the word objectivity here for "synthesis", indeed..there are people who have the ability to synthesize knowledge to the point it encompasses a whole bunch of (in theory) contradictory ideas. However this process is also objective. My point is, there is no real way of measuring objectivity because every human being is merely an observer of an experience, and as such will always have a filter through which experiences will be interpreted

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Valid. Nevertheless, some people are significantly better at thinking from a *relatively* objective viewpoint than others. This is strict

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Posted by duchesslibro
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Posted by duchesslibro
Posted by BoomShakalakaBoom
Posted by duchesslibro
Posted by BoomShakalakaBoom
The point is, everytime that people on this thread make a claim about which air sign is the most stable, its not only going to be based on their own experiences with air sign people, it is also going to depend on the stabilizing factors of that air sign person's chart, and those stabilizing factors (besides upbringing, societal conditioning, etc) will be coming from non-air factors in their charts..

So really, everybody here is right, and wrong at the same time šŸ˜„

Not everyone bases their opinions solely on personal experience.. Many think in terms of astrological theory as well.

Yes, but astrology isnt an exact science, it also relies purely on interpretation rather than numbers. Which is why there are so many different "astrology schools", there is no such thing as ONE astrological theory.

Yes. I'm just saying.. plenty on dxp can discuss objectively. It seemed like you were saying every poster only responds based on their own subjective experience.

Well I mean, if you get to the bare essentials, arent we all here just speaking from subjective experience? Theres nothing wrong with it, theres just no way you can talk about astrology and be fully objective.

Yes. There was a post about that a few weeks ago.. but some people have the cognitive ability to add a strong objective element to their thought process that can harmonize with or nearly override subjectivity. Mental dexterity.

Well I have doubts on the objectivity of that objective element. I would change the word objectivity here for "synthesis", indeed..there are people who have the ability to synthesize knowledge to the point it encompasses a whole bunch of (in theory) contradictory ideas. However this process is also objective. My point is, there is no real way of measuring objectivity because every human being is merely an observer of an experience, and as such will always have a filter through which experiences will be interpreted

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Valid. Nevertheless, some

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Posted by BoomShakalakaBoom
@ducchess: Definitely! I would say the most unemotional people are probably the best at this.

I'm starting to think air/water dominant people have mental superpowers.. We are not strangers to either realm. Intuition, logic, reasoning, emotions. It all comes together quite nicely. Easy to understand. Easy to switch gears.

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Posted by duchesslibro
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@ducchess: Definitely! I would say the most unemotional people are probably the best at this.

I'm starting to think air/water dominant people have mental superpowers.. We are not strangers to either realm. Intuition, logic, reasoning, emotions. It all comes together quite nicely. Easy to understand. Easy to switch gears.

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Yeah makes sense, though I think air dominated people would be the ones coming up with the ideas out of "thin air", they are the pioneers, whilst the water dominated arent as pioneering (the ideas that come from their rich emotional fantasy/imagination are most likely fueled by concepts that already exist, so their imaginations simply expand on them and their possibilities)

Im just theorizing here, dont take me too seriously šŸ˜›

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ge in my wannabe venusian ways 😢

Posted by duchesslibro
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@ducchess: Definitely! I would say the most unemotional people are probably the best at this.

I'm starting to think air/water dominant people have mental superpowers.. We are not strangers to either realm. Intuition, logic, reasoning, emotions. It all comes together quite nicely. Easy to understand. Easy to switch gears.

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For me it's more like
Brain (aqua) - hey dude like seriously get a grip.
Heart - but that puppy is so cute I'm just gonna cry

Reality - *cannot compute*

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For me it's that my air planets live in water houses. It feels like an easy flow between the two elements. And no significant hard aspects with my mental/emotional planets.

Now, to be fair, I suck at expressing my emotions outwardly.. but I understand them internally just fine and empathizing with others is easy.

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Posted by aquasnoz
let me indulge in my wannabe venusian ways 😢

Posted by duchesslibro
Posted by BoomShakalakaBoom
@ducchess: Definitely! I would say the most unemotional people are probably the best at this.

I'm starting to think air/water dominant people have mental superpowers.. We are not strangers to either realm. Intuition, logic, reasoning, emotions. It all comes together quite nicely. Easy to understand. Easy to switch gears.

For me it's more like
Brain (aqua) - hey dude like seriously get a grip.
Heart - but that puppy is so cute I'm just gonna cry

Reality - *cannot compute*

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if you are a libra rising, doesn't that mean you are ruled, or rather chart ruler is venusian??

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let me indulge in my wannabe venusian ways 😢

Posted by duchesslibro
Posted by BoomShakalakaBoom
@ducchess: Definitely! I would say the most unemotional people are probably the best at this.

I'm starting to think air/water dominant people have mental superpowers.. We are not strangers to either realm. Intuition, logic, reasoning, emotions. It all comes together quite nicely. Easy to understand. Easy to switch gears.

For me it's more like
Brain (aqua) - hey dude like seriously get a grip.
Heart - but that puppy is so cute I'm just gonna cry

Reality - *cannot compute*

if you are a libra rising, doesn't that mean you are ruled, or rather chart ruler is venusian??

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I believe it's more like

sign in ascendant -> planet which rules it -> chart rulership. I could be wrong.

That would mean I need to take some drugs and drink a bit.... which by happenstance I do have a joint and a bottle of captain morgans right next to me.