Likelihood of getting back with Cancer after breakup

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Last Saturday, the Cancer I'd been dating for 14 months, and I had another explosive argument (which often arises because things escalate so quickly). What started the argument was that asked me if everything was ok, and I said that I'd been feeling really depressed and low lately due to a lot of thing in my life (my mom has breast cancer, my childhood home was in a fire, and changes at work). I said that I haven't really felt comfortable talking to him about it because he threatens to break up every time we have a disagreement, and as a result, I have been having a hard time being myself and completely vulnerable around him. I also said it often seems that he doesn't like dealing with serious things. He immediately became defensive and thought I was accusing him of not being there for me. He then said this isn't where we should be after dating for 14 months, and said the fact that I haven't been able to talk openly with him is a serious issue as communication is the foundation of a relationship, without considering what about his behavior may have made me so reticent. Instead of responding with empathy for what I've been going through, he became immediately angry. When we were walking down the street, my emotions overcame me and I started to cry..his response was "are you really gonna do this right now?" I was in disbelief at his unfeeling response and said "fuck you" and walked away. A minute later I went back and he had already gone.
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A few days later, I sent a really heart felt letter apologizing for what i said, and explaining how I have been feeling lately. When I finally spoke to him after he'd read my email (he didn't immediately take my calls because he said he wasn't sure he would be articulate enough to express how he was feeling), he said he thought it would be better if we met up for dinner to talk. From the moment he walked into the restaurant, it seemed pretty clear that he was there only to break up (and like he was on a mission and that he had to talk himself up to doing it). He didn't even want to sit down, and said "I love you, but I can't do this anymore" with a cold angry look in his eyes. After we spoke some more, he said that this relationship and reoccurring fights have really affected him so he's not the same person as he was in the beginning of the relationship. I stooped so low as to even beg him to give me another chance but he refused. After I got home I sent him a few more texts saying "I loved him with all my being" and asking "how he could be so heartless if he really loved me" (no response).

I'm really at a loss. If he really cared about me, how could he just end things, especially when he knows everything I have been going through this last year?

Or is it that he no longer loves me at all? We sold our car that day so no longer had that tie. My sister seems to think the fight was just an excuse to break things off. Could it have been that he wasn't ready for how serious things were getting between us, like talking about getting another car or moving in together (even though he was the first to suggest meeting each other's families). Or is it that after the honeymoon phase, he realized he really would rather date other musicians/artists like himself in his circle of friends (his last few gfs were musicians/artists).

So confused..a few months ago, he told me he loves me more than he's loved anyone else..last Sat, he said he's done more for me than most people in his life (likewise me for him). How can he just give up on me and on us if he really feels that way?

He's since blocked me from seeing when he's online on fb and has not contacted me since we last saw one another last Wed. Is there any hope of him, after more time and reflection, giving me another chance? If so, what if anything should I do (or not do) do get him back? Most of the advice I've been given is not to contact him so that he'll miss me, but after every argument in the past, it has always been me who's reached out to him (because even though I knew he wanted to, he wouldn't do it and would just live in regret the rest of his life, like with his past relationships). Please help me to understand..
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Forgot to add that while he said he's shown me more patience than he has other people in his life, I've show him as much if not more understanding. While I was back home to be with my family after the house fire, I found out that he was on a fetish site and even emailed a few people (from a fake email linked to a google voice account) though there was no indication that he ever met up with anyone. I decided to forgive him because the fetish is not sexual in nature) though it has been really difficult to learn to trust him again because I was cheated on in a few previous relationships (which has been the source of most of our arguments though less so as I learned to trust him more). I've also tried to be understanding about how much alcohol he consumes and tried to be supportive as he's tried to drink less.

I should also mention that he's been under a lot of stress due to legal issues regarding his apt, issues at work, and his finances.

oh, and he's 31 and I'm 36.
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Sounds like a typical super immature self absorbed cancer. I just cried on mine and he got upset for causing a scene. Dude that isn't right!!! You did nothing wrong. You wanted support he was a schmuck about it. And now you feel guilty. He should feel guilty.if you cant be vulnerable around him is he worth it? Stand up for yourself and demand your needs and dont let him make you feel bad for needing them. Hes being a pouty little baby. Ignore him. Don't stand for it and don't take him back unless he agrees to change.
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Thanks, I know you're all right..and although he's tried to step up for me in the past year , he was and still is in many ways a man child. Though (and this isn't just me being an overly idealistic pisces), he really has tried to make changes in his life for me, to become the person he thought I wanted (such as trying to be more transparent to reestablish trust, cutting down on how much he drinks, working to become more financially secure, becoming vegetarian, talking seriously about our future, like moving into together (even though he was miles away from that when I first met him) and being patient with me (at least in the beginning), with my need for reassurance. He's also done a lot of really amazing things for me and his family and friends would often tell me that he was more affectionate and loving with me than with any of his past gfs.

I think our reoccurring fights, which would escalate rather quickly because we're two sensitive water signs, just got to be too much for him. I think he also has a lot of issues with needing to feel safe in a relationship, as a result of issues with his mom leaving him as a baby and his dad not being around much as a caregiver as a child. His defensiveness I think stems from issues with his step mother who he said was controlling and blamed him for everything. I think this, as well as the fact that he said he's compromised much of himself for me (saying he's not the same person he was a year ago) has really chipped away at him and hurt his ego, as I think he's always struggled to see himself as a strong man.

I know some of his best friends whom he respects and looks up to a lot may also have encouraged him to break up with me because they have been trying to get him to move to california since we started dating, and I was one of the main reasons he's stayed in NY, so I have that going against me. I also thinks that some lingering feelings for his ex (who he dated for 4 yrs and who had broken up with not even 2 months prior to us dating) gives him some reason for pause because on paper they seemed so compatible (they are both musicians who live the artist lifestyle and have the same circle of friends who are well connected to the music scene in NY..they also seem to like many of the same obscure things). I think he would often check her fb profile..
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I realize he has many issues to work on (as do I) and that I shouldn't lose sight of myself and what I deserve from the relationship, but I think what we have is special and that with more time and understanding on both our parts, it will be worth it in the end.

But I first have to get through to him so he can see me and the relationship as he once did and see that's there hope of getting back to that place. Even though I couldn't get through to him after he broke up with me, is there any chance that with some time, he will rethink things and be willing to work things out? If so, what should I do (or not do) to get him to this place? I know he won't contact me first and would probably just end up living the rest of his life wondering what if.
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I also forgot to mention that he's much more outgoing and always knows what to say to make people laugh, while I can be pretty quiet and introverted.. our communication styles can be challenging especially when we're stressed so that pauses or silence can give the impression that there's a rift between us or that we have nothing to say to one another and lack a strong connection. I sometimes would wonder if he thought I was boring because I would sometimes get so quiet or as an introvert not immediately come up with some witty comeback like his friends who all seems to be masters at irony. I also realize that what I intend to say, especially in the middle of argument when emotions are high, never seems to come out right, which can trigger his defensiveness.

Introverts are so misunderstood, we just process information differently..sigh
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Wow! Just wow at the things I read about poor women putting up with on dxp. Relationships really are like garage sales. From a distance they look like they could be interesting, but up close, it's just a ton of shit you don't need.

It's only 14 months, so count your blessings and bounce. A man that can't be empathetic and supportive during your time of need is utterly useless.
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You know the thing with issues from our parents and stepparents and that teacher in third grade is... when you grow up, you don't get to use them as an excuse anymore. As an adult it's our job to get the fuck over the things that happened to us, and let them go and move on, or continue to use them as crutches and excuses. So people who choose to hold on to those things use them as tools to ruin a relationship, then use them as the excuse that the relationship failed (even though they blame us - "You know I have trust issues because of my mom - waa waa.").

The fact that he blames you for 'compromising' himself - whatever nonsense he's trying to infer there - it means you have to go. GO. Your relationship will be a constant blame game. You can't get him to see the relationship as it was, if this is the way he views things.

You're allowed to be depressed and sad and working through things when things are tough. You shouldn't have to keep that in check around someone you love. For him to be scornful of the fact that you were crying - whether due to the fight or just feeling overwhelmed from what is happening to YOU - speaks a lot to who he really is.

That's some Grade A baloney if you ask me.
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I think you've been insecure through this whole relationship and have burdened him with it. You talk about his career, his friends, his personality and how you're not up to par. Were most of your arguments about him making you feel a certain way?

A person will end things if their partner seems to never be happy or satisfied. You've listed off all the changes he's made, If he can't even recognize himself and there's still problems and complaints, there's nothing left to give.

That break up was planned out and clear. Sorry



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Posted by Galileia428
Last Saturday, the Cancer I'd been dating for 14 months, and I had another explosive argument (which often arises because things escalate so quickly). What started the argument was that asked me if everything was ok, and I said that I'd been feeling really depressed and low lately due to a lot of thing in my life (my mom has breast cancer, my childhood home was in a fire, and changes at work). I said that I haven't really felt comfortable talking to him about it because he threatens to break up every time we have a disagreement, and as a result, I have been having a hard time being myself and completely vulnerable around him. I also said it often seems that he doesn't like dealing with serious things. He immediately became defensive and thought I was accusing him of not being there for me. He then said this isn't where we should be after dating for 14 months, and said the fact that I haven't been able to talk openly with him is a serious issue as communication is the foundation of a relationship, without considering what about his behavior may have made me so reticent. Instead of responding with empathy for what I've been going through, he became immediately angry. When we were walking down the street, my emotions overcame me and I started to cry..his response was "are you really gonna do this right now?" I was in disbelief at his unfeeling response and said "fuck you" and walked away. A minute later I went back and he had already gone.
Too much push pull. Threatening to break up everytime ? Wheres the trust in that ? Leave him. Find urself a mature stable Taurus dude jk thats upto u.
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ndard "he's a jerk /you're a queen /i'm here for you" responses. you do realize OP is a Pisces, you have to read between the lines.

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Last Saturday, the Cancer I'd been dating for 14 months, and I had another explosive argument
another argument, it happens frequently

Posted by Galileia428
). What started the argument was that he asked me if everything was ok, and I said that I'd been feeling really depressed and low lately due to a lot of thing in my life (my mom has breast cancer, my childhood home was in a fire, and changes at work)
she lists her problems for full sympathy impact...

Posted by Galileia428
I said that I haven't really felt comfortable talking to him about it because he threatens to break up every time we have a disagreement, and as a result, I have been having a hard time being myself and completely vulnerable around him. I also said it often seems that he doesn't like dealing with serious things.
So he has asked her what's wrong... now would be a perfect opportunity to talk about the problems mentioned above. Get it off her chest and discuss it like adults but instead she uses it for a lead in to Criticize and Complain. "I could tell you, but I won't and it's your fault that I won't." So passive, yet so affective.

As for the bolded part, In Pisces speak "he threatens" could have been once but now = always

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He immediately became defensive and thought I was accusing him of not being there for me
I'd be defensive too.... because she is accusing him of not being there for her.

Posted by Galileia428Instead of responding with empathy for what I've been going through, he became immediately angry. When we were walking down the street, my emotions overcame me and I started to cry..his response was "are you really gonna do this right now?"
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Instead of reacting the way she wanted him to he got angry because maybe this is the way their frequent arguments start. And when she started crying, he asked if she was going to do it on the street instead of saving it for home, like usual.

Don't let the sweet act fool ya


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She is doing what most dxp moaners do, leave her alone! She doesn't want to be told she's the problem, she wants to feel right. She doesnt want answers she wants to gossip and complain. Coddle her, don't be honest with her! Never!

Girl that crab man sounds like a real jerk! It's because he's a camp 2 cancer. Those are the worst. Girl forget about him and thank god you got out! You deserve much better!

Aye OP, take your victim ass and go look in the mirror. Why would any man want to please you? It's all about you! Soggy cardboard ass.
hmmm you're taking my words "cardboard" and now "Camp 2" ...we don't believe in Camps

who are you? we know you're not a new user or a Cancer...troll alert.
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Yup.
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Posted by BlackMamba
you talk alot about him, but not you...it's weird.

where do you fit in all of this? what do you want?
I purposely framed what I wrote according to how I thought he might be feeling and what could have lead up to his current frame of mind, because (contrary to what some individuals have claimed here), I am not on these boards to just to hear what I want (what good is that?), but for constructive (but fair and balanced) feedback, so that I can better understand where he may be coming from and know what it is I should do to reestablish communication between us.

I certainly have not forgotten what it is I want, but perhaps I should be more honest with myself about whether he's at a place in his life where he can provide it. It is easy to love a person during good times.
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Posted by GalOnTheCusp
You know the thing with issues from our parents and stepparents and that teacher in third grade is... when you grow up, you don't get to use them as an excuse anymore. As an adult it's our job to get the fuck over the things that happened to us, and let them go and move on, or continue to use them as crutches and excuses. So people who choose to hold on to those things use them as tools to ruin a relationship, then use them as the excuse that the relationship failed (even though they blame us - "You know I have trust issues because of my mom - waa waa.").

The fact that he blames you for 'compromising' himself - whatever nonsense he's trying to infer there - it means you have to go. GO. Your relationship will be a constant blame game. You can't get him to see the relationship as it was, if this is the way he views things.

You're allowed to be depressed and sad and working through things when things are tough. You shouldn't have to keep that in check around someone you love. For him to be scornful of the fact that you were crying - whether due to the fight or just feeling overwhelmed from what is happening to YOU - speaks a lot to who he really is.

That's some Grade A baloney if you ask me.
Yes to a certain point I agree; however, the impact that people and experiences from our childhood have on our development and how we respond to things later in life as adults is undeniable. It becomes wired in us, and it can take years of deprogramming to undo these negative effects (if they can be undone at all). And this is only if we can be honest with ourselves and our shortcomings, which is the first step to addressing our issues. Unfortunately, the natural response for people who have faced a lot of adversity from the time they were young, is to react with fear..and fear is the biggest impediment to growing as a person. We don't face these things about ourselves and remain stunted. And more often than not, we run from what is making us uncomfortable, rather than confronting and addressing these uncomfortable truths about ourselves. Further to that is the victimization you refer to GOTC, which is even more dangerous, because then, not only do we not grow as people, but we also become more likely to rationalize away really questionable behavior because we are unable to see the situation clearly and automatically see ourselves as the victims.
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Posted by shellshocker
I think you've been insecure through this whole relationship and have burdened him with it. You talk about his career, his friends, his personality and how you're not up to par. Were most of your arguments about him making you feel a certain way?

A person will end things if their partner seems to never be happy or satisfied. You've listed off all the changes he's made, If he can't even recognize himself and there's still problems and complaints, there's nothing left to give.

That break up was planned out and clear. Sorry


I will be the first to admit that I have my insecurities (as does everyone), and I'm sure they have had an impact on the relationship. But I think that what he often would conveniently forget to see is how a lot of his previous choices and behaviors had contributed to my difficulty being entirely secure in the relationship (many of the details I have included here).

From the very beginning of the relationship he was very secretive with his phone, which he brushed off as me being paranoid due to infidelities in past relationships. His original dating profile (though we met in-person), indicated he was only looking for a hook-up and other really questionable attitudes about monogamy, sexuality, and dating (many things he either was not up front with me about or straight out lied to me about).

On top of that, a few months later, my suspicions were in fact confirmed when I found his secret email account linked to a google voice number and fetish profile. What I found in that email was devastating. I won't go into detail out of respect for him, but what I found made me really question whether, not only could he be in a committed monogamous relationship, but whether he could be in a relationship with me. Moreover, he had actually emailed a few people about meeting up (though there was no indication that he actually did) while I was back home. When I confronted him about all of this, he was obviously mortified. A few days later, I chose to forgive him, as there was no evidence (at least to my knowledge) that he had cheated. We agreed to get couples counseling to better understand some of his sexual proclivities (which I think he dragged his feet on) and he allowed me see his call and text log from the beginning of the relationship. But as would be expected, most of our arguments from that point on stemmed from this issue and me not entirely understanding the impact of these things on him and the degree to which they were a compulsion. Oftentimes arguments would arise when he would again seem secretive with his phone (like putting it on vibrate or airplane mode when we were together for example). Add to that the fact that he likely has a dependency on alcohol and that he can act like a completely different person when drunk, I think you can easily see why
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So what is your point? Your end game, so to speak.

That it's your job to fix him, or that he won't fix himself and you're fine with being suspicious, mistreated, and blamed because you 'get' him? (I know all the therapy speak, I'm in therapy; sounds like you are or may have been too).

I'm a Pisces too... we are nurturers, fixers, soothers. It's easy to get addicted to drama. Love puts those rose-colored glasses firmly over our eyes.

There's a quote: We change for two reasons; we learn enough that we want to or we hurt enough that we have to.

You'll be the one to change before he does, I have a feeling.