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Disclaimer: Yes, I realize I have the emotional maturity level of a 4 year old.

I need to have a conversation with the Cancer guy. He has previously made it clear that he sees me as a "buddy", but keeps emailing me at work and being very nice and solicitous of my welfare, etc. Which, because of my aforementioned maturity level, is making it harder for me.

For instance, this past Friday, we were emailing and I mentioned how I was ready to go home. He asked if it was just because i was worn out, or if it was something else. I responded "both, but hopefully sleep will fix most of it". He then asked what else was going on/bothering me. I responded "nothing life or death or super important, but also nothing I want to discuss at work. If you're still curious later, we can talk about it later".

His reply? "I will still be curious later. What time works for you?" To which I said "between my jobs, I work again all weekend. I also don't have your number anymore. I deleted it in a fit of frustration and hurt feelings." He said that was "understandable" and then emailed me his digits again.

I don't feel like this is normal friend behaviour, given the circumstances of our friendship. But I also have no reason to believe he sees me as anything but a friend, given his previous statement.

So - how is the best way to approach this? Because I'm going slightly crazy (er than I already am).
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Tell him to call you.

I would not call him, though.

Let him put forth the effort... tell him when a good

time to call might be, then see if he does.




Nah man, ´cause he would have no problem calling her, and she on the other hand would read something into it.

This is not something to overthink, it´s easy: don´t go there. You are letting yourself getting led on, and you know, he´s not gonna take responsibility for anything, because he already told you, that he just see you as a buddy. Just leave it be.
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I like you.

But I disagree.

He's fishing because he's a weirdass cancer who doesn't

know what he wants, and she isn't ready to walk just yet.

KNOWING this... there's nothing wrong with letting him

into her orbit, so long as he's the one doing the pursuing.

Not her.



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You guys are screwing with this girls head as well! I don´t understand why. 😄
I´m just looking at dxp history here (and I assume that at least some of the stories must be true) + my own experience: when you come here to post about it, it DOES NOT WORK OUT. Ever. It is doomed. Maybe with other signs, but I have never read a story here about a girl and a cancer guy, that turned into something good, and neither will this. That´s just my opinion.

I´ll leave you all to it. 🙂
I've posted here about my relationship- and we are still going strong. Actually have gotten closer/deeper emotionally over the past few months.
You´re one out of a thousand 😄
I´m not saying there aren´t any succesful relationships with cancers, but seems to me, that as soon as you post here, you know it´s not really working out. You are the acception to the rule .
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The bolded part I don't think is sign specific.
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Sooooo.. have a conversation or not? And if so, what's the best way to approach it?

Cause honestly, right now I'm leaning heavily towards finding another job and never having to talk to him again. Granted, I was looking for another job before. This just compounds it.
What do you hope to gain from having a conversation with him?
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About how, while I appreciate him trying to be such a good friend, I can't be his friend right now because it's not purely friendly on my part.
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Posted by Andalusia
Sooooo.. have a conversation or not? And if so, what's the best way to approach it?

Cause honestly, right now I'm leaning heavily towards finding another job and never having to talk to him again. Granted, I was looking for another job before. This just compounds it.
Do you realize what you are doing by stating "..leaning heavily towards finding another job and never have to talk to him again." THIS IS THE PROBLEM. You are giving him all the control and letting him get away with it. Don't turn around your life for some idiot that you dated and now only wants to be friends. Guess what? Welcome to a thing called life.

I've been let down a million times by men I've crushed on. I posted on here a while back because a CAP man didn't respond to my messages and it hurt like hell. But I've realized since my problem was that I let other people in my life have the power. Once you start focusing on yourself, you will realize you deserve better.

This guy sounds as if he is keeping you as an option. Either you tell him to stop texting you or you continue talking to him. But either way, face the reality that he sees you as a friend in this moment. This may or may not change. But never let anyone have your power or let them take that away from you.
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Andalusia you're half way there. You know you have the emotional capacity of a 4 year old so all you need to do know is teach yourself emotional intelligence.

emotional intelligence: Being Smart About Feelings

Learn how to develop your emotional intelligence.

We probably all know people who are masters at managing their emotions. They don't get angry in stressful situations. Instead, they have the ability to look at a problem and calmly find a solution. They're excellent decision makers, and they know when to trust their intuition. Regardless of their strengths, however, they're usually willing to look at themselves honestly. They take criticism well, and they know when to use it to improve their performance.

People like this have a high degree of emotional intelligence, or EI. They know themselves very well, and they're also able to sense the emotional needs of others.

People with high EI are usually successful in most things they do. Why? Because they're the ones that others want on their team. When people with high EI send an email, it gets answered. When they need help, they get it. Because they make others feel good, they go through life much more easily than people without EI.

Google Emotional Intelligence and you'll see loads of information on this subject.
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Andalusia you're half way there. You know you have the emotional capacity of a 4 year old so all you need to do know is teach yourself emotional intelligence.

emotional intelligence: Being Smart About Feelings

Learn how to develop your emotional intelligence.

We probably all know people who are masters at managing their emotions. They don't get angry in stressful situations. Instead, they have the ability to look at a problem and calmly find a solution. They're excellent decision makers, and they know when to trust their intuition. Regardless of their strengths, however, they're usually willing to look at themselves honestly. They take criticism well, and they know when to use it to improve their performance.

People like this have a high degree of emotional intelligence, or EI. They know themselves very well, and they're also able to sense the emotional needs of others.

People with high EI are usually successful in most things they do. Why? Because they're the ones that others want on their team. When people with high EI send an email, it gets answered. When they need help, they get it. Because they make others feel good, they go through life much more easily than people without EI.

Google Emotional Intelligence and you'll see loads of information on this subject.
I have those traits, but not when it comes to relationships. I clam up and emotionally shield myself when I start to develop feelings for someone. It took this guy saying it for me to realize how big of a problem it really is for me.
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Ah man.. so we just talked and he basically told me he ended it due to my emotional retardation.. he didn't use those words of course, but that was the jist of it.

Now - how does one go about becoming less of a robot? 😢
What is your sun, ascendant and venus? This had to be a total mismatch astrologically for him to say something so stupidly hurtful.
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No no, he wasn't hurtful. He said he called it off because it got more awkward the more time we spent together due to me putting up a wall that originally wasn't there.

Me:
Sun Virgo
Moon Cancer
Merc Virgo
Venus Leo
Mars Leo
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Andalusia you're half way there. You know you have the emotional capacity of a 4 year old so all you need to do know is teach yourself emotional intelligence.

emotional intelligence: Being Smart About Feelings

Learn how to develop your emotional intelligence.

We probably all know people who are masters at managing their emotions. They don't get angry in stressful situations. Instead, they have the ability to look at a problem and calmly find a solution. They're excellent decision makers, and they know when to trust their intuition. Regardless of their strengths, however, they're usually willing to look at themselves honestly. They take criticism well, and they know when to use it to improve their performance.

People like this have a high degree of emotional intelligence, or EI. They know themselves very well, and they're also able to sense the emotional needs of others.

People with high EI are usually successful in most things they do. Why? Because they're the ones that others want on their team. When people with high EI send an email, it gets answered. When they need help, they get it. Because they make others feel good, they go through life much more easily than people without EI.

Google Emotional Intelligence and you'll see loads of information on this subject.
I have those traits, but not when it comes to relationships. I clam up and emotionally shield myself when I start to develop feelings for someone. It took this guy saying it for me to realize how big of a problem it really is for me.
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Then you LEARN how to be more emotionally mature/intelligent. You teach yourself, you practice unless you get some underlying thrill out of failing you'll do something to get that under your control.

Experience can be one of the best teachers at life but it can also be a very painful journey.
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Ah man.. so we just talked and he basically told me he ended it due to my emotional retardation.. he didn't use those words of course, but that was the jist of it.

Now - how does one go about becoming less of a robot? 😢
What is your sun, ascendant and venus? This had to be a total mismatch astrologically for him to say something so stupidly hurtful.
No no, he wasn't hurtful. He said he called it off because it got more awkward the more time we spent together due to me putting up a wall that originally wasn't there.

Me:
Sun Virgo
Moon Cancer
Merc Virgo
Venus Leo
Mars Leo
Oh for Christ sakes, what's wrong with this dude? For Cancer that chart is an amazing match. Virgo & Cancer, with Leo Venus - gawd, what a combo. Something tells me he will regret not giving it a chance. May I ask how old this guy is? Might be an immature Cancer.
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He turns 30 in July. I turn 31 in September.

He's been in long term relationships before; just got divorced about 6ish months ago as a matter of fact. Whereas I have not really ever been in a LTR. I'm guessing that's a majority of it.
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Yup - he's scarred from the divorce and not emotionally able to commit to something with an intellectual Virgo. I've been there with Virgo on 2 occasions. The 2nd encounter was one of the biggest regrets of my life. I should have stayed in that relationship regardless of the insecurity it createdl. He will regret it - trust me. Cancer ascendant, moon in Cancer....he's a fool not to realize it would have been someone that could have totally understood and accepted him.
It started that way according to him (me too), but then I got weird.
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Ah man.. so we just talked and he basically told me he ended it due to my emotional retardation.. he didn't use those words of course, but that was the jist of it.

Now - how does one go about becoming less of a robot? 😢
What is your sun, ascendant and venus? This had to be a total mismatch astrologically for him to say something so stupidly hurtful.
No no, he wasn't hurtful. He said he called it off because it got more awkward the more time we spent together due to me putting up a wall that originally wasn't there.

Me:
Sun Virgo
Moon Cancer
Merc Virgo
Venus Leo
Mars Leo
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My boyfriend told me (before we were dating) he didn't think we were a good match because of a few differing views. He was throwing up defensive shots here and there and I just said "okay" and continued on until he realized he was just being guarded and he was scared. Obviously I wouldn't suggest someone ignore blatant rejection but just use your own intuition.
What you are saying here I think is important - Use your own intuition. There is a reason we have that intuition and somehow often in many of these situations we human beings seem to know deep inside what the correct answer is all by ourselves but because we also seem to overthink everything it makes it more difficult when it could been easier. I should know, been there, done that but I am learning and I know exactly what is happening in my life with the Cancerian I am in love with, but I still somehow managed to ask on this page because I felt desperate and helpless and I read these posts more often then I think is good for me because sometimes it only confuses me and I have to ask myself " What are you doing? You know exactly what the correct answer is. Don't fool yourself and don't ever let anyone else decide what you should do. It is good to get advice and opinions from people but it should always be your own final decision". It's important to trust yourself. Then you can decide what you want and go after it. If you want this person so bad and really believe it could be something I say - don't give up, not just yet. But if you know in your heart that it will never be what you want it to be it could be a good idea to let it go for your own sake.
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You guys are screwing with this girls head as well! I don´t understand why. 😄
I´m just looking at dxp history here (and I assume that at least some of the stories must be true) + my own experience: when you come here to post about it, it DOES NOT WORK OUT. Ever. It is doomed. Maybe with other signs, but I have never read a story here about a girl and a cancer guy, that turned into something good , and neither will this. That´s just my opinion.

I´ll leave you all to it. 🙂
Just because its' not posted doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

keep it secret, keep it safe.... 😄

@Melly, you gotta do you, but i think taking a step back to get your head in a different space might do good.

Cancers do the back n foth side shuffle to get to the place they want to go, without regard for the other usually. sometimes they will keep the other in mind, but typically they get so focused on that goal that is all they notice.

How long ago did he tell you that he saw you as a buddy? i read the other thread but dont remember when it was...
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Ah man.. so we just talked and he basically told me he ended it due to my emotional retardation.. he didn't use those words of course, but that was the jist of it.

Now - how does one go about becoming less of a robot? 😢
What is your sun, ascendant and venus? This had to be a total mismatch astrologically for him to say something so stupidly hurtful.
No no, he wasn't hurtful. He said he called it off because it got more awkward the more time we spent together due to me putting up a wall that originally wasn't there.

Me:
Sun Virgo
Moon Cancer
Merc Virgo
Venus Leo
Mars Leo
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Hang out/ become friends with some fire heavy peeps.. they WILL bring your emotions out whether you want them to or not lol

Especially fire moons... the good ones 😛
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You guys are screwing with this girls head as well! I don´t understand why. 😄
I´m just looking at dxp history here (and I assume that at least some of the stories must be true) + my own experience: when you come here to post about it, it DOES NOT WORK OUT. Ever. It is doomed. Maybe with other signs, but I have never read a story here about a girl and a cancer guy, that turned into something good , and neither will this. That´s just my opinion.

I´ll leave you all to it. 🙂
Just because its' not posted doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

keep it secret, keep it safe.... 😄

@Melly, you gotta do you, but i think taking a step back to get your head in a different space might do good.

Cancers do the back n foth side shuffle to get to the place they want to go, without regard for the other usually. sometimes they will keep the other in mind, but typically they get so focused on that goal that is all they notice.

How long ago did he tell you that he saw you as a buddy? i read the other thread but dont remember when it was...
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Buddy talk was about 2.5 or 3 weeks ago.
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Yup - he's scarred from the divorce and not emotionally able to commit to something with an intellectual Virgo. I've been there with Virgo on 2 occasions. The 2nd encounter was one of the biggest regrets of my life. I should have stayed in that relationship regardless of the insecurity it createdl. He will regret it - trust me. Cancer ascendant, moon in Cancer....he's a fool not to realize it would have been someone that could have totally understood and accepted him.
It started that way according to him (me too), but then I got weird.
Seriously though, he sounds like a dweeb.

He's putting the reasons for a relationship not developing all on you, so he doesn't look like the bad guy that broke it off. It absolves him. The flip side to that, is that he could have made an effort to make you feel comfortable instead of doing the opposite and creating more emotional insecurity between you two.

I know you liked him a lot. It's hard when you feel you connect with someone and it isn't going down the path you want it to. And it's easy to justify his behavior as he's recently divorced and that can make him sympathetic. But you should be able to be with someone who is sensitive to your emotional needs as well, not just his own.
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I understand both sides.. yes he could have, but at the same time, I can see how someone wouldn't want to have to "red-Rover, red-rover" a grown ass woman into emotional adulthood.
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@Anda....the libra moon generates the critical, judgemental nature, I believe was the implication of sculptor's point, and I concur. Their search for perfection in a relationship leads to this personality. About libra moon: "But a focus on the lifestyle, appearance and manner of a person ranks high for someone looking for a pleasing overall package. They’re searching for someone they can glide with through life in glorious tandem while looking as polished and put-together as they are – in a word, perfection both inside and out"


The Negative Traits: (libra mooners)


Self-indulgent

Indecisive

Insecure

Appears lazy

Emotionally demanding


This isn't all on you, but I would like to know what things you did that "went weird" on him - something you alluded to yesterday?
The more I started to like him, the more I started to clam up in his company.. went from being open and fun and carefree to being shy, quiet, and withdrawn.
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The Cancer told me yesterday he sometimes wonders if he might be a sociopath.
I like him. He has good humour.
Eh?
Sounds like he's winding you up to get you to relax.
How do you get that interpretation from his statement..?

I do not understand men at all.
Well it's past midnight and I just woke up so I'm probably just lackadaisically assuming he'd do what I would do.

You did say you went cold on him because you have feelings, which he pointed out to you (I can't remember the exact wording of how you put it). Seems like self preservation or self control.

What better way to get someone used to the idea of walking into a situation that's out of their control? Tell them they might be falling for a sociopath.
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I'm still confused. Are you saYing he went cold on me because he perceives me as having gone cold on him? And that's the ONLY reason?

Who's self preservation or self control are we talking about? His or mine?

What I took from this situation was that I'm emotionally blocked and he was likely rebounding from his ex. I'm interested in your perspective though.
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The Cancer told me yesterday he sometimes wonders if he might be a sociopath.
I like him. He has good humour.
Eh?
Sounds like he's winding you up to get you to relax.
How do you get that interpretation from his statement..?

I do not understand men at all.
Well it's past midnight and I just woke up so I'm probably just lackadaisically assuming he'd do what I would do.

You did say you went cold on him because you have feelings, which he pointed out to you (I can't remember the exact wording of how you put it). Seems like self preservation or self control.

What better way to get someone used to the idea of walking into a situation that's out of their control? Tell them they might be falling for a sociopath.
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not sure if i understand fully but are you saying hes trying to find an scapegoat for his actions?
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The Cancer told me yesterday he sometimes wonders if he might be a sociopath.
I like him. He has good humour.
Eh?
Sounds like he's winding you up to get you to relax.
How do you get that interpretation from his statement..?

I do not understand men at all.
Well it's past midnight and I just woke up so I'm probably just lackadaisically assuming he'd do what I would do.

You did say you went cold on him because you have feelings, which he pointed out to you (I can't remember the exact wording of how you put it). Seems like self preservation or self control.

What better way to get someone used to the idea of walking into a situation that's out of their control? Tell them they might be falling for a sociopath.
not sure if i understand fully but are you saying hes trying to find an scapegoat for his actions?
I think I missed half of the story. I didn't read the part where he went cold. But either way I don't think he meant he's actually a sociopath yes.
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Maybe I'm too damn literal because I took his statement at face value. Just like I took his previous statement about seeing me as a "buddy" at face value.

I can't win for losing.
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This is very normal friend behaviour. Just be mature about your own feelings and realize what you can and can not do instead of suggesting to hang out, just because you want to see wether or not he still wants to see you.

Been there. Done that. Bought the t-shirt. Then bought the tracksuit, cap, shoes and bling that goes with it. Then bought the store off the owner, 'cause why the hell not?! Then went broke.
Don't try to friend him when you want more. Ever.
This. He doesnt want you romantically but as a friend and you are failing to really let that sink in. :/

Dont accept crumbs my dear, move along if you know youre not ready to be friends yet.
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I would have thought you were joking about being mildly autistic. Don't mind me, I'm just from London, where everything is alcohol-dulled sarcasm.
No, I really think I might be
Suddenly this explains a lot of my breakups. All those times they said I didn't take their feelings seriously. Inadvertently, you've just saved me years of therapy.
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Do you always assume everyone is joking, whereas I always assume they're being truthful?
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The Cancer told me yesterday he sometimes wonders if he might be a sociopath.
yes, i have heard this before. Was during a casual conversation or was it during an intense moment?

My cancer has said this before... was when he was dealing with a lot of stuff at once, i think they can short circut themselves sometimes, and they don't know what to do with their chaotic thoughts.
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