What happens when a cap man is upset/hurt?

This topic was created in the Capricorn forum by Virgirl on Monday, November 19, 2018 and has 40 replies.

How Do Capricorns React When They Are Upset or Hurt

Capricorns tend to withdraw and need time alone to process their feelings when upset. They may shut down emotionally or reduce communication but often do come back once they feel ready. Understanding their need for space can help in rebuilding trust and connection after conflicts or hurt.

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@Virgirl
7 Years

So my December cap and I have know each other since back in the day but always just casual acquaintances— 20 yrs later we connected on Facebook. We started talking and was going so well I seriously thought I met my potential soulmate. He was including me in his daily routine (this is LDR) and telling me when and where he’d be and when can talk.. and so it was great. He even made plan to come visit me. Well that night I was having insecurities and doubts I always worry people will leave me, and then after that I sent him a long heartfelt apology he wasn’t really responding but not ignoring either he was like I’ll need time to read this... like one and a half days later still no really response to it.. he is very busy w work, so I said I am

Sorry but I have to block you it’s too hurtful to see you on here (fb) then a week later I unblocked and he was so happy and said I missed you.. and he spoke that this could be a potential long term relationship and all that like for life.. but still I felt he doesn’t have time for me.. like I’ have three kids I’ll give him all the time I need. So I told him this and said idk I’d this is gonna work, he just says this day is going to kill me. That was Friday.. do caps shut down when hurt or upset.? Will he be back..? Idk what to do?

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@Virgirl
7 Years

I’m really not doing any “stunts” I need to make sure this is real deal, I have 3 kids. I’m not looking for someone to fuck with me not am I to fuck with them. I am just trying to figure out if he’s gonna stick with me. I suffer extreme anxiety, I just need to have some reassurance. I play no stunts.

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@Virgirl
7 Years

Posted by PostHuman

Lol mad games. You blocked him over him taking a few days to answer or something? Naaawwwhhh

Nope, because he wasn’t responding and it was hurting me. After I got over it some I unblocked him and apologized, very much so.

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@Virgirl
7 Years

Posted by s_i_e_r_r_a

forget him.

cap men want women who'd write them poems even though they've blocked them on social media and on mobile phones, stalk them short of a restraining order and baby trap them into a commitment

translation: not a virgo female

They want to be chased?

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@Virgirl
7 Years

Posted by s_i_e_r_r_a

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Posted by s_i_e_r_r_a

forget him.

cap men want women who'd write them poems even though they've blocked them on social media and on mobile phones, stalk them short of a restraining order and baby trap them into a commitment

translation: not a virgo female

They want to be chased?

they want women who run around for them but also seemingly malleable enough to believe their bullcrap

only cancer women won't take their shit.. now that's more of a meeting of equals

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So you believe his words were bullshit? And his thoughts of a possible future ?

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@Virgirl
7 Years

Well I’m not going back to initiate anything if he wants me he can come to me. I’ve tolf him how I felt and showed how much work I put into the relationship so.. it’s up to him. If he doesn’t oh well , sucks cuz I really believed something was there but.. that’s life

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@Virgirl
7 Years

Posted by s_i_e_r_r_a

Posted by Virgirl

Posted by s_i_e_r_r_a

Posted by Virgirl

Posted by s_i_e_r_r_a

forget him.

cap men want women who'd write them poems even though they've blocked them on social media and on mobile phones, stalk them short of a restraining order and baby trap them into a commitment

translation: not a virgo female

They want to be chased?

they want women who run around for them but also seemingly malleable enough to believe their bullcrap

only cancer women won't take their shit.. now that's more of a meeting of equals

So you believe his words were bullshit? And his thoughts of a possible future ?

maybe it's true but you don't seem like the patient type and he feels rushed (as he should)

you guys are not on the same page

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Yea I said this is unbalanced.. he was t putting into what I was, and he said he was willing to..

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@Virgirl
7 Years

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Lol mad games. You blocked him over him taking a few days to answer or something? Naaawwwhhh

Nope, because he wasn’t responding and it was hurting me. After I got over it some I unblocked him and apologized, very much so.

That’s called playing games. You don’t block your “soulmate” over not responding for two days lol. An apology isn’t worth as much as not doing the action in the first place.

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Ok, but no.

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@Virgirl
7 Years

Posted by PostHuman

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Lol mad games. You blocked him over him taking a few days to answer or something? Naaawwwhhh

Nope, because he wasn’t responding and it was hurting me. After I got over it some I unblocked him and apologized, very much so.

That’s called playing games. You don’t block your “soulmate” over not responding for two days lol. An apology isn’t worth as much as not doing the action in the first place.

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It was sad seeing him.. I had to block his image out so I didn’t break down crying if I saw him.. I even told him I’m sorry I have to block you you’re not communicating, it was just too sad to see him. I was not playing games at all. It was to protect me from feeling all sad n shit... and if he needed room or space I didn’t want to message him. And if I didn’t block him I was scared I’d blow up his phone.. geez I don’t fkn play games. I’m 36 have 3 kids I don’t have time to play games..!!!!

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@Virgirl
7 Years

Posted by s_i_e_r_r_a

Posted by Virgirl

Posted by s_i_e_r_r_a

Posted by Virgirl

Posted by s_i_e_r_r_a

Posted by Virgirl

Posted by s_i_e_r_r_a

forget him.

cap men want women who'd write them poems even though they've blocked them on social media and on mobile phones, stalk them short of a restraining order and baby trap them into a commitment

translation: not a virgo female

They want to be chased?

they want women who run around for them but also seemingly malleable enough to believe their bullcrap

only cancer women won't take their shit.. now that's more of a meeting of equals

So you believe his words were bullshit? And his thoughts of a possible future ?

maybe it's true but you don't seem like the patient type and he feels rushed (as he should)

you guys are not on the same page

Yea I said this is unbalanced.. he was t putting into what I was, and he said he was willing to..

3 kids is a lot of responsibility to take on

you can't really blame him

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He did say he loves kids and doesn’t know why he never had them. He works with kids.!!

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@Virgirl
7 Years

Posted by s_i_e_r_r_a

Posted by Virgirl

Posted by s_i_e_r_r_a

Posted by Virgirl

Posted by s_i_e_r_r_a

Posted by Virgirl

Posted by s_i_e_r_r_a

forget him.

cap men want women who'd write them poems even though they've blocked them on social media and on mobile phones, stalk them short of a restraining order and baby trap them into a commitment

translation: not a virgo female

They want to be chased?

they want women who run around for them but also seemingly malleable enough to believe their bullcrap

only cancer women won't take their shit.. now that's more of a meeting of equals

So you believe his words were bullshit? And his thoughts of a possible future ?

maybe it's true but you don't seem like the patient type and he feels rushed (as he should)

you guys are not on the same page

Yea I said this is unbalanced.. he was t putting into what I was, and he said he was willing to..

3 kids is a lot of responsibility to take on

you can't really blame him

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I really just want someone to answer what caps typically do when hurt or upset? Do they cool off and come back do they need space.. I mean what?? No one has answered

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@Virgirl
7 Years

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Lol mad games. You blocked him over him taking a few days to answer or something? Naaawwwhhh

A few days to respond is a bit unacceptable

Day and a half or whatever. It’s fine to need time to process and she’s the one who started that whole event. He wouldn’t even need to do that shit if she could control her emotions and didn’t need to block him and then explain herself lmao

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Control your emotions woman..!! Wtf.. is wrong w expressing emotions?!!!

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@Virgirl
7 Years

Posted by Caliope

Posted by Virgirl

So my December cap and I have know each other since back in the day but always just casual acquaintances— 20 yrs later we connected on Facebook. We started talking and was going so well I seriously thought I met my potential soulmate. He was including me in his daily routine (this is LDR) and telling me when and where he’d be and when can talk.. and so it was great. He even made plan to come visit me. Well that night I was having insecurities and doubts I always worry people will leave me, and then after that I sent him a long heartfelt apology he wasn’t really responding but not ignoring either he was like I’ll need time to read this... like one and a half days later still no really response to it.. he is very busy w work, so I said I am

Sorry but I have to block you it’s too hurtful to see you on here (fb) then a week later I unblocked and he was so happy and said I missed you.. and he spoke that this could be a potential long term relationship and all that like for life.. but still I felt he doesn’t have time for me.. like I’ have three kids I’ll give him all the time I need. So I told him this and said idk I’d this is gonna work, he just says this day is going to kill me. That was Friday.. do caps shut down when hurt or upset.? Will he be back..? Idk what to do?

What did you say/do?

Are your three kids from the same father?

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Yes same father. I told my doubts and fears to him. And was looking for reassurance we were on the same page.

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@Virgirl
7 Years

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Lol mad games. You blocked him over him taking a few days to answer or something? Naaawwwhhh

A few days to respond is a bit unacceptable

Day and a half or whatever. It’s fine to need time to process and she’s the one who started that whole event. He wouldn’t even need to do that shit if she could control her emotions and didn’t need to block him and then explain herself lmao

Control your emotions woman..!! Wtf.. is wrong w expressing emotions?!!!

Holy shit, you’re slow as fuck.

YOU BLOCKING HIM IS NOT YOU EXPRESSING EMOTIONS. ITS YOU BEING A LITTLE BITCH AND NOT BEING ABLE TO HANDLE YOURSELF.

I’m done trying to help you. It’s all right in front of you and you’re just gonna sit there and stare at the opposite wall that it’s written on

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I never said blocking was expressing emotions.. it was a way to deal. Fkn idiot chauvinist.. gtfo!!! You really have not helped at all but mock me. I came on here asking for help. I know blocking isn’t the “right” thing to do necessarily but it was how I had to deal. Ok now go fuck yourself🙂

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@Virgirl
7 Years

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When my LDR bf @tiziani doesn’t give me enough attention I yell at him. The system works

rofl

don't egg on the OP's anxiety issues

It was too easy I’m sorry lol

You don’t have anything else to do but respond with a non helpful and mocking reply? Gtfo

Go take care of your kids. My cap roomate says your a baby and he’s not into you lol

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Awesome 😂.. good one.

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@Virgirl
7 Years

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Lol mad games. You blocked him over him taking a few days to answer or something? Naaawwwhhh

A few days to respond is a bit unacceptable

Day and a half or whatever. It’s fine to need time to process and she’s the one who started that whole event. He wouldn’t even need to do that shit if she could control her emotions and didn’t need to block him and then explain herself lmao

Control your emotions woman..!! Wtf.. is wrong w expressing emotions?!!!

Holy shit, you’re slow as fuck.

YOU BLOCKING HIM IS NOT YOU EXPRESSING EMOTIONS. ITS YOU BEING A LITTLE BITCH AND NOT BEING ABLE TO HANDLE YOURSELF.

I’m done trying to help you. It’s all right in front of you and you’re just gonna sit there and stare at the opposite wall that it’s written on

I never said blocking was expressing emotions.. it was a way to deal. Fkn idiot chauvinist.. gtfo!!! You really have not helped at all but mock me. I came on here asking for help. I know blocking isn’t the “right” thing to do necessarily but it was how I had to deal. Ok now go fuck yourself🙂

And you don’t get that that’s not the proper way to deal and that it puts people off.

Who knocked you up 3 fucking times?

36 and you can’t figure this shit out...

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👌nice.

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@Virgirl
7 Years

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Posted by Virgirl

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Posted by Koni

Posted by PostHuman

Lol mad games. You blocked him over him taking a few days to answer or something? Naaawwwhhh

A few days to respond is a bit unacceptable

Day and a half or whatever. It’s fine to need time to process and she’s the one who started that whole event. He wouldn’t even need to do that shit if she could control her emotions and didn’t need to block him and then explain herself lmao

Control your emotions woman..!! Wtf.. is wrong w expressing emotions?!!!

Holy shit, you’re slow as fuck.

YOU BLOCKING HIM IS NOT YOU EXPRESSING EMOTIONS. ITS YOU BEING A LITTLE BITCH AND NOT BEING ABLE TO HANDLE YOURSELF.

I’m done trying to help you. It’s all right in front of you and you’re just gonna sit there and stare at the opposite wall that it’s written on

I never said blocking was expressing emotions.. it was a way to deal. Fkn idiot chauvinist.. gtfo!!! You really have not helped at all but mock me. I came on here asking for help. I know blocking isn’t the “right” thing to do necessarily but it was how I had to deal. Ok now go fuck yourself🙂

And you don’t get that that’s not the proper way to deal and that it puts people off.

Who knocked you up 3 fucking times?

36 and you can’t figure this shit out...

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He UNDERSTOOD WHY I BLOCKED HIM.. If he was so put off why then when I unblocked him and was ready to face him did he say he missed me and started things where they left off..??!! $ fkn idiot. Read.

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@Virgirl
7 Years

Posted by PostHuman

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Posted by Virgirl

Posted by PostHuman

Posted by Virgirl

Posted by PostHuman

Posted by Koni

Posted by PostHuman

Lol mad games. You blocked him over him taking a few days to answer or something? Naaawwwhhh

A few days to respond is a bit unacceptable

Day and a half or whatever. It’s fine to need time to process and she’s the one who started that whole event. He wouldn’t even need to do that shit if she could control her emotions and didn’t need to block him and then explain herself lmao

Control your emotions woman..!! Wtf.. is wrong w expressing emotions?!!!

Holy shit, you’re slow as fuck.

YOU BLOCKING HIM IS NOT YOU EXPRESSING EMOTIONS. ITS YOU BEING A LITTLE BITCH AND NOT BEING ABLE TO HANDLE YOURSELF.

I’m done trying to help you. It’s all right in front of you and you’re just gonna sit there and stare at the opposite wall that it’s written on

I never said blocking was expressing emotions.. it was a way to deal. Fkn idiot chauvinist.. gtfo!!! You really have not helped at all but mock me. I came on here asking for help. I know blocking isn’t the “right” thing to do necessarily but it was how I had to deal. Ok now go fuck yourself🙂

And you don’t get that that’s not the proper way to deal and that it puts people off.

Who knocked you up 3 fucking times?

36 and you can’t figure this shit out...

👌nice.

Exactly. You have nothing to say. What you did is wrong. Period.

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Ok good to know.. thank you..! There’s some advice!

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@Virgirl
7 Years

Posted by PostHuman

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Posted by Virgirl

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Posted by Koni

Posted by PostHuman

Lol mad games. You blocked him over him taking a few days to answer or something? Naaawwwhhh

A few days to respond is a bit unacceptable

Day and a half or whatever. It’s fine to need time to process and she’s the one who started that whole event. He wouldn’t even need to do that shit if she could control her emotions and didn’t need to block him and then explain herself lmao

Control your emotions woman..!! Wtf.. is wrong w expressing emotions?!!!

Holy shit, you’re slow as fuck.

YOU BLOCKING HIM IS NOT YOU EXPRESSING EMOTIONS. ITS YOU BEING A LITTLE BITCH AND NOT BEING ABLE TO HANDLE YOURSELF.

I’m done trying to help you. It’s all right in front of you and you’re just gonna sit there and stare at the opposite wall that it’s written on

I never said blocking was expressing emotions.. it was a way to deal. Fkn idiot chauvinist.. gtfo!!! You really have not helped at all but mock me. I came on here asking for help. I know blocking isn’t the “right” thing to do necessarily but it was how I had to deal. Ok now go fuck yourself🙂

And you don’t get that that’s not the proper way to deal and that it puts people off.

Who knocked you up 3 fucking times?

36 and you can’t figure this shit out...

He UNDERSTOOD WHY I BLOCKED HIM.. If he was so put off why then when I unblocked him and was ready to face him did he say he missed me and started things where they left off..??!! $ fkn idiot. Read.

Praying for you

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Thanks!

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@Liriell
9 YearsCapricorn

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Lol mad games. You blocked him over him taking a few days to answer or something? Naaawwwhhh

A few days to respond is a bit unacceptable

Day and a half or whatever. It’s fine to need time to process and she’s the one who started that whole event. He wouldn’t even need to do that shit if she could control her emotions and didn’t need to block him and then explain herself lmao

Control your emotions woman..!! Wtf.. is wrong w expressing emotions?!!!

Holy shit, you’re slow as fuck.

YOU BLOCKING HIM IS NOT YOU EXPRESSING EMOTIONS. ITS YOU BEING A LITTLE BITCH AND NOT BEING ABLE TO HANDLE YOURSELF.

I’m done trying to help you. It’s all right in front of you and you’re just gonna sit there and stare at the opposite wall that it’s written on

I never said blocking was expressing emotions.. it was a way to deal. Fkn idiot chauvinist.. gtfo!!! You really have not helped at all but mock me. I came on here asking for help. I know blocking isn’t the “right” thing to do necessarily but it was how I had to deal. Ok now go fuck yourself🙂

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You really think blocking someone was JUST your dealing with emotions...?

He was on the other side - you took the easy route (instead of maybe controlling and owning your emotions...) and probably hurt him in the process.

I would really run if someone was so emotionally unstable because of me...

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@Gemitati
11 Years25,000+ Posts

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Lol mad games. You blocked him over him taking a few days to answer or something? Naaawwwhhh

Nope, because he wasn’t responding and it was hurting me. After I got over it some I unblocked him and apologized, very much so.

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You have 3 kids and you have time to block and unblock men on media? Who raising these kids?

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Lol mad games. You blocked him over him taking a few days to answer or something? Naaawwwhhh

A few days to respond is a bit unacceptable

Day and a half or whatever. It’s fine to need time to process and she’s the one who started that whole event. He wouldn’t even need to do that shit if she could control her emotions and didn’t need to block him and then explain herself lmao

Control your emotions woman..!! Wtf.. is wrong w expressing emotions?!!!

Holy shit, you’re slow as fuck.

YOU BLOCKING HIM IS NOT YOU EXPRESSING EMOTIONS. ITS YOU BEING A LITTLE BITCH AND NOT BEING ABLE TO HANDLE YOURSELF.

I’m done trying to help you. It’s all right in front of you and you’re just gonna sit there and stare at the opposite wall that it’s written on

I never said blocking was expressing emotions.. it was a way to deal. Fkn idiot chauvinist.. gtfo!!! You really have not helped at all but mock me. I came on here asking for help. I know blocking isn’t the “right” thing to do necessarily but it was how I had to deal. Ok now go fuck yourself🙂

And you don’t get that that’s not the proper way to deal and that it puts people off.

Who knocked you up 3 fucking times?

36 and you can’t figure this shit out...

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LMAO sorry bitch! ❤️

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@Virgirl
7 Years

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Lol mad games. You blocked him over him taking a few days to answer or something? Naaawwwhhh

Nope, because he wasn’t responding and it was hurting me. After I got over it some I unblocked him and apologized, very much so.

You have 3 kids and you have time to block and unblock men on media? Who raising these kids?

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Yea moms are prohibited from social media and making relationships..? Like they have no free time. Kids have school bitch!!!!! No your a mom you must not have any fun!!😂

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@Virgirl
7 Years

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Lol mad games. You blocked him over him taking a few days to answer or something? Naaawwwhhh

A few days to respond is a bit unacceptable

Day and a half or whatever. It’s fine to need time to process and she’s the one who started that whole event. He wouldn’t even need to do that shit if she could control her emotions and didn’t need to block him and then explain herself lmao

Control your emotions woman..!! Wtf.. is wrong w expressing emotions?!!!

Holy shit, you’re slow as fuck.

YOU BLOCKING HIM IS NOT YOU EXPRESSING EMOTIONS. ITS YOU BEING A LITTLE BITCH AND NOT BEING ABLE TO HANDLE YOURSELF.

I’m done trying to help you. It’s all right in front of you and you’re just gonna sit there and stare at the opposite wall that it’s written on

I never said blocking was expressing emotions.. it was a way to deal. Fkn idiot chauvinist.. gtfo!!! You really have not helped at all but mock me. I came on here asking for help. I know blocking isn’t the “right” thing to do necessarily but it was how I had to deal. Ok now go fuck yourself🙂

And you don’t get that that’s not the proper way to deal and that it puts people off.

Who knocked you up 3 fucking times?

36 and you can’t figure this shit out...

LMAO sorry bitch! ❤️

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😆😂😂😂

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@Virgirl
7 Years

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Lol mad games. You blocked him over him taking a few days to answer or something? Naaawwwhhh

Nope, because he wasn’t responding and it was hurting me. After I got over it some I unblocked him and apologized, very much so.

You have 3 kids and you have time to block and unblock men on media? Who raising these kids?

It takes literally no effort to block or unblock someone

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Lol exactly 😂

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@Gemitati
11 Years25,000+ Posts

Posted by Virgirl

Well I’m not going back to initiate anything if he wants me he can come to me. I’ve tolf him how I felt and showed how much work I put into the relationship so.. it’s up to him. If he doesn’t oh well , sucks cuz I really believed something was there but.. that’s life

No! It’s not life! It’s brain fuckery! Stupid way too...

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@Gemitati
11 Years25,000+ Posts

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Lol mad games. You blocked him over him taking a few days to answer or something? Naaawwwhhh

Nope, because he wasn’t responding and it was hurting me. After I got over it some I unblocked him and apologized, very much so.

You have 3 kids and you have time to block and unblock men on media? Who raising these kids?

Yea moms are prohibited from social media and making relationships..? Like they have no free time. Kids have school bitch!!!!! No your a mom you must not have any fun!!😂

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So you have no job? And when kids at school you are raiding internet.

Well...I would clean the house and make food! Are you trust fund babe?

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@Gemitati
11 Years25,000+ Posts

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Lol mad games. You blocked him over him taking a few days to answer or something? Naaawwwhhh

Nope, because he wasn’t responding and it was hurting me. After I got over it some I unblocked him and apologized, very much so.

You have 3 kids and you have time to block and unblock men on media? Who raising these kids?

It takes literally no effort to block or unblock someone

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Apparently. BUT! Being on media means she is not just having it to block/unblock. She is doing more than that and obviously active. Look how much time she spending to tell people GTFO in this post! Been hours here. Plus all whatever other places she is asking for ‘help’...with 3 kids? She must have a nanny or these kids are seriously having ‘Internet mommy’...and Cap is aware.

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@coolcap13
7 Years

Oh no, you're gonna get ghosted... Better start preparing. It starts with the silent treatment so you have a chance of figuring out what's wrong and starting the discussion.