stay or back away? (scorp F 29, leo M 28) (Page 3)

*sorry meant to write actions mean nothing without words and the reverse is the same as well (words mean nothing without actions.) So if your leo is "talking" to his aries ex. I'm pretty sure (especially since I actually carefully read a lot of these posts on the thread) that your Leo is confused. He is probably confused because he has an aries ex that is very vocal (gives him words/as aries tend to do) but they broke up and leo's don't like reconciliation. When people break up that's also a word of honor. It means we are not compatible and going back to an ex is difficult for us because it means that we are going back on our honor/word (that there is no compatibility) and thus proving our pride wrong. We don't like to make "wrong decisions" concerning our pride or honor. On the other hand he has you the scorpio, that shows expressions of love but verbally keeps deep feelings of love and commitment secret. So he's probably like do I want my pride to be proven wrong by declarations of love, or do I want to move on to exhibitions of love, especially when I've been waiting for both and I really just want both? He is waiting for both, that's why he's confused in this thin boundary between actions and words. Having both is the winner and will clarify everything for him. Honestly the attraction period is over, and that's the period when you are supposed to be "mysterious" and give him only one or the other to entice him. One you real him in, like a mouse to a cat, and you see that he is making substantial effort, you should probably be as sincere and he thinks he is and be as honest as you are with your actions with your feelings as well. I'm pretty sure if you show him how much you like him, how you are there for him, and feed his ego with the compliments he requires (for i.e. I find you attractive, kinda miss you, like you) and you continue to be your sweet romantic scorpio self...he'll change his mind about aries. Personally and I've heard this a lot Leo's and Aries are not really meant for each other because aries are too overtly controlling and Leos are very proper. I.e. An aries will show up at your house pissed knocking on your door and flattered leo will also be turned off in fear that their reputation will be ruined. They make GREAT BOND AS FRIENDs but I don't think relationship. I think scorpio is better. Am rooting for you both...even if it's futile. Sorry for the long post again. lol

I hate to beat a dead horse. But does anyone here actually remember there's more to a person than their sun sign? You know. like whats in their astrological chart?

Tiki, you cant say you know how leos are. That is a sweeping generalization. It honestly comes down to what is in that person's astrological chart, their emotional maturity, and the environment they were raised in.

My mother was a Leo and the exact opposite of her sign. Due to her cancer moon, she was sweet, kind, and reserved.


BUT,Leo women like the men can be just as unfaithful. Again, it really all comes down to what in their chart and level of emotional maturity.

Phoenix, have you looked at the guys chart beyond his sun sign off chance? You should look into it. Anyhow, carry on..

Posted by tiki33
"thanks tiki, the video was great but i already know what he wants, at this moment...to stay single, lol. im gonna work on what i want instead. truthfully, i wasn't looking for a relationship before i met him. i got a taste of what it could be like to be in a relationship again and i wanted it, right at that instant. i don't even need to ask, he was very honest in telling me what's the status of all his exes in his life. i should have walked away the instant i recognized he wasn't ready for a commitment. i'll do that next time, first red flag and i'll be heading in the opposite direction"

By George she's got it! LOL! But seriously the next time a guy isn't open to having a commitment nor available for one and shuts the option down completely and you know without a doubt in your body that eventually you'll want something more long term then walk the other way, I know how tempting it is to stay and at least try because as humans we crave companionship (least most of us do) and when the urgency of wanting something instantly creeps in well most of us will try anyway despite the reality of him not wanting to commit but next time do yourself a huge favor, don't date men that don't want real relationships, don't allow yourself to get sucked into a poor relationship pattern were you are DOING relationship stuff with a man that doesn't want a relationship only to keep playing out this faux type relationship (creating massive confusion for yourself) only to have to come back full circle to the truth which is he doesn't want a commitment with anyone, saves you from a ton of heartache and emotional stress.

It's never too late to try again with someone else always remember to LISTEN, listen to a man that says I don't want a commitment and BELIEVE him...

hahaha, and that's thanks to you tiki and the rest of the people who posted here, including you jonleo, (hiplove, firedragon and sweat.lioness) for taking the time to give their advice and their views on my dilemma. the month i spent with leo was one of the most amazing thing ive felt in a long time. we're still friends though, only difference is I KNOW we're only friends this time.

o0phoenix0o- Do! Try it out. It's one of the most passionate and loving relationships. And I've been lurking on the internet and I'll let you in on a little secret. Leo's can't really be in a long term relationships with MANY SIGNS, because they are too complicated (or want too much). When I say long term I'm talking about more than 5-6 years tops. I'm talking about long haul. If you read the forums and comments in astrology sites Leos and other signs almost ALWAYS tend to BASH THE BUTTER out of each other because they couldn't stand each other in the relationship. While I read the compatibility/comments/formus of other signs like Scorpio and Virgo and they all have positive comments like "best relationship ever" "i love my scorp/virg" I was getting kind of disillusioned because I was like butter, I don't think Leo has a true love match. But when I was lurking about Leo and Scorpio I found a substantial amount of positive reinforcement and scarcely found bashing. You'll see pages of people saying that it's passionate, romantic, loyal, that astrology is wrong about these signs, and they are inseparable when it does work. (which apparently is 50% of the time)

Bill Clinton Hillary Clinton
Melinda Gates Bill Gates
Ted Hughes and Sylvia Plath
Maria Shriver and Arnold Schwarzenegger
Elvis Costello (Leo) and Diana Krall (Scorpio);
Meg Ryan (Scorpio) and Matthew Perry (Leo);
Steve Wozniak (Leo) and Kathy Griffin (Scorpio)
Alain Delon (Scorpio) and Nathalie Delon (Leo)

ZenArcade- You are completely right. Moon, ascendant, mars, venus, and mercury compatibility are very important as well. But sun signs kind of like "seal the deal" since it's who you truly are. It's interesting how your ascendant tricks the person into liking you and then you find out who they really are. For example a scorpio sun/leo ascendant and leo sun/cancer ascendant will appear to the scorpio as a cancer and the leo as a leo but after a while when their true colors show they freak the eff out.

Posted by sweat.lioness
Am rooting for you both...even if it's futile. Sorry for the long post again. lol

thanks sweat.lioness, im rooting for us both two, hahaha. im not closing my door on him. he's really confused, i know, but i dont need confusion right now. im just gonna be true with myself and treat him like i would treat the rest of my friends ( which u know for a scorpio is too few) if it doesn't fell through, i won't be here waiting for him to know what he really wants. i love him as a friend already and i wouldn't mind him getting back with ex aries. i think their need to be in a relationship is greater than mine. ive been single for so long there's no rush to get into a relationship. it would be nice though to be in one.

Posted by ZenArcade
I hate to beat a dead horse. But does anyone here actually remember there's more to a person than their sun sign? You know. like whats in their astrological chart?

Tiki, you cant say you know how leos are. That is a sweeping generalization. It honestly comes down to what is in that person's astrological chart, their emotional maturity, and the environment they were raised in.

My mother was a Leo and the exact opposite of her sign. Due to her cancer moon, she was sweet, kind, and reserved.


BUT,Leo women like the men can be just as unfaithful. Again, it really all comes down to what in their chart and level of emotional maturity.

Phoenix, have you looked at the guys chart beyond his sun sign off chance? You should look into it. Anyhow, carry on..

In fact, i did...I wouldn't be true to my sign if i didn't check that first, hahaha..

here it is:

HIS
Sun Leo
Moon Virgo
Mercury Virgo
Venus Virgo
Mars Cancer

MINE
Sun Scorpio
Moon Virgo
Mercury Scorpio
Venus Capricorn
Mars Virgo

all these virgos in our charts make us both hesitate i think...oh well, no sense beating a dead horse like u said, hehehe...

Posted by sweat.lioness
o0phoenix0o- Do! Try it out. It's one of the most passionate and loving relationships. And I've been lurking on the internet and I'll let you in on a little secret. Leo's can't really be in a long term relationships with MANY SIGNS, because they are too complicated (or want too much). When I say long term I'm talking about more than 5-6 years tops. I'm talking about long haul. If you read the forums and comments in astrology sites Leos and other signs almost ALWAYS tend to BASH THE BUTTER out of each other because they couldn't stand each other in the relationship. While I read the compatibility/comments/formus of other signs like Scorpio and Virgo and they all have positive comments like "best relationship ever" "i love my scorp/virg" I was getting kind of disillusioned because I was like butter, I don't think Leo has a true love match. But when I was lurking about Leo and Scorpio I found a substantial amount of positive reinforcement and scarcely found bashing. You'll see pages of people saying that it's passionate, romantic, loyal, that astrology is wrong about these signs, and they are inseparable when it does work. (which apparently is 50% of the time)

hahaha, best relationship yes, i believe that but only if there's two of us in the relationship. seems im the only one who wants to stick for the long haul. and my heart's the one getting bashed in the process. dont worry sweat.lioness, im pretty sure if their second attempt at relationship doesn't work (leo and ex-aries) he'll think of me immediately and be sorry for letting me get away. by that time im sure im happy with a virgo or a capricorn or possibly another leo. *wink.

Posted by o0phoenix0o
just an update for tiki, i know you'd be interested...leo and ex-aries gal just planned an out of town together for early next year. so, i guess he's emotionally available after all. and i guess im the one sending off signals that i am NOT emotionally available, LMAO. i can sense they'd be getting back together.

I wouldn't believe ANYTHING the Aries is saying, you are more of a threat to her than you may believe, she'd say anything to stave you off and keep you out of the picture, she's not obsessively adding all his female love interest for nothing, I can almost promise you she's paying for that trip (if there really is a trip) and he's just going along for the ride b/c hey it's a free trip and that's one of his perks for keeping the exe's around. But I have a gut feeling there really isn't going to be a trip and she's trying to trip up the competition (you). Suggestion...Delete her ass off your Facebook page, she's desperate and appears to be quite boring with her obsessive nature, the last thing you need is her influencing your feelings and that is the exact tactic she's using (yawn) did I say she's boring LOL.

"Tiki, you cant say you know how leos are. That is a sweeping generalization. It honestly comes down to what is in that person's astrological chart, their emotional maturity, and the environment they were raised in."

I'm not making any broader of a statement that hasn't already been asked about and discussed here. I attempted to keep things specifically based on these 2 women issues (firedragon/phoenix), what I felt, what I saw and my own suggestions. I don't know every leo in the world, virtually impossible. I'm happy with the feedback I've gotten, and the discussion keeps flowing in a positive direction so yeah no harm no foul.

Posted by tiki33

Posted by o0phoenix0o
just an update for tiki, i know you'd be interested...leo and ex-aries gal just planned an out of town together for early next year. so, i guess he's emotionally available after all. and i guess im the one sending off signals that i am NOT emotionally available, LMAO. i can sense they'd be getting back together.

I wouldn't believe ANYTHING the Aries is saying, you are more of a threat to her than you may believe, she'd say anything to stave you off and keep you out of the picture, she's not obsessively adding all his female love interest for nothing, I can almost promise you she's paying for that trip (if there really is a trip) and he's just going along for the ride b/c hey it's a free trip and that's one of his perks for keeping the exe's around. But I have a gut feeling there really isn't going to be a trip and she's trying to trip up the competition (you). Suggestion...Delete her ass off your Facebook page, she's desperate and appears to be quite boring with her obsessive nature, the last thing you need is her influencing your feelings and that is the exact tactic she's using (yawn) did I say she's boring LOL.

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hahaha, actually leo guy's the one who told me and you're right of coure, she's the one paying for it, LMAO. as if she can influence my feelings, i know she's threatened or she wouldn't asked to be my friend...hahaha, i am getting bored with her tactics too, lol...she's even spending more time at leo's place now that i stopped going there. im sure she hopes she can be with us on the same company as well.

LOL

Did I not say it was "FREE", it's just a perk, a woman CANNOT BUY LOVE, she can't convince a man to feel what he doesn't naturally already feel, she's being a complete "FOOL".

When a man says I don't want you, well that most likely will not change, paying for a trip trying to bribe him most certainly won't change his mind but it will get her "USED" and treated like a doormat...Poor dear, she's really going to be devastated after that trip when she realizes nothing has changed.

Also I don't take too kind to men who specifically REJECT a woman and turn around and take a free trip. He's a bit of a user/player is he not? Misleading this woman to believe she's actually making progress with him, when in all actuality he's just ego tripping off her desperation.

Judge his character/morals/values...He's lacking

Oh and notice how your leo scooted her ass right back in the whole game as a replaceMENT. He replaced you for her, she's good for now, he's just rotating them out LOL! And please don't let him make you jealous, LAUGH AT HIS ASS LIKE YOU DON'T CARE. Hold your head up like the magnificent Queen you are. He want a non challenging chick then so be it, let him take the easy route, he's not having any fun with her, I can almost guarantee you he's bored with her already.

She's a non factor, no competition at all...She'll be out soon, he's just hoping you'll come back and/or looking for a new replacement...one or the other or both.

Posted by tiki33

Posted by o0phoenix0o
just an update for tiki, i know you'd be interested...leo and ex-aries gal just planned an out of town together for early next year. so, i guess he's emotionally available after all. and i guess im the one sending off signals that i am NOT emotionally available, LMAO. i can sense they'd be getting back together.

I wouldn't believe ANYTHING the Aries is saying, you are more of a threat to her than you may believe, she'd say anything to stave you off and keep you out of the picture, she's not obsessively adding all his female love interest for nothing, I can almost promise you she's paying for that trip (if there really is a trip) and he's just going along for the ride b/c hey it's a free trip and that's one of his perks for keeping the exe's around. But I have a gut feeling there really isn't going to be a trip and she's trying to trip up the competition (you). Suggestion...Delete her ass off your Facebook page, she's desperate and appears to be quite boring with her obsessive nature, the last thing you need is her influencing your feelings and that is the exact tactic she's using (yawn) did I say she's boring LOL.

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I completely agree with what tiki is saying. I'm best friends with a couple of aries, my friends have dealt with aries and so have I. Aries are very vocal/action oriented and scheming people. The initial attraction between leo and aries revolves about DRAMA. this is the thing about leos and drama.

Leos love DRAMA but they don't like being involved IN DRAMA. they like either a) Subtly (in a sneaky behind the scenes manner) causing drama that won't involve them being involved in the drama for a period of time and b) Hearing about other people's drama (gossip) For example a leo will mention that they are going to visit an ex to see how you will react, but they won't give you more 411 that will instigate and actual brawl because they don't like dishonorable and distasteful overt conflict that might shatter their reputation. Leos are both verbal (their word/promises) and action oriented with displays of love and determination (work projects/life goals.)

Aries START AND CONTINUE DRAMA. They will a) overtly over-emotionally react and b) Punish you with their dramatic actions of anger/frustration/ and "love". For example a leo will menti

For example a leo will mention that they are going to visit an ex to see how an aries will react and then the aries will find out who the ex is, befriend the ex, feed you over dramatized stories about how the Leo loves them and not you. And then plan an outing in your case. I don't find this shocking. After all, I did mention how they would probably knock on your door yelling at midnight about you seeing other people. Don't put it past them that they will plan an illusion of a dinner date, repeatedly call and text leo and oblige him to attend this dinner date against his wishes, and then he's so annoyed and feels bad (wants to be polite and courteous that he contends.)


Honestly, you should do what tiki says and IN ADDITION tell him she should go eff herself and that you should give it a shot. If you like this guy you shouldn't give up, as it seems like you are doing. If giving up make you happy and feel better about the situation on the long run then by all means do. As this is just advice you could leave or take. But leos are the type of people that if you don't show your commitment will get hurt and assume you are just something of the past. If he is volunteering information to you (which from what I have read he is) that means that he might want you to do something about it.

Leos feel helpless at a certain point because of their extraordinary manners and ettiquette. I'm assuming the situation is like so...this leo has told this aries...listen I'm not sure I really want to be in a relationship with you...it didn't work out..I'll be there for you, we can be friends...but it's over. If she says hey can you talk to me I'm going through some issues?..He'll say sure I have manners, I'm courteous, I'll be there for you anytime...but that doesn't mean I'm getting back with you.

Sometimes they need intervention.

Sometimes they are waiting for you to tell them this: (and this is the nitty gritty. the whole point of issue) WHY THE EFF ARE YOU TALKING TO YOUR COT DAMN EX, EFF HER, BE WITH ME, SHE'S YOUR PAST AND THAT'S WHERE SHE SHOULD STAY!

Then they have a reason, (You and the consideration of your feelings/being polite towards your wishes) to completely end ties with their former relationships. they will feel obligated like butter, I probably shouldn't be talking to this person because as opposed to it being a friendly acquaintance that pushes me through a thin line to the edge of confusion, being in communication with the ex is being disrespec

disrespectful to the person that i really should currently putting all my energy into.

but there is no knowledge of this disrespect unless he knows that you actually FEEL that this is disrespectful. How is he disrespecting you and dissing you by going out on a vacation with aries ex if he doesn't know that you really deep inside don't want him to go and rather him be with you?

to make a long story short...(and I know I blab a lot. lol)
I finally completely agree and respect something tiki says and I think she is 100 percent right. Aries told you this so you could move on, distance yourself further (because aries are very intelligent and they notice when a person is already being distant and the inner workings of people's relationship.) and creating drama to separate the two of you indefinitely. If this was not the case, (if he really wanted to go to this possibly fictional planned vacation and felt a certain way about her) it's kind of like as Tikki said...she would go about it differently. She wouldn't tell you anything...she would wait until she was actually in vacation with leo and post pictures so you could find out the hard way. Which is something she might do anyway in spite of you, if you do decide to retreat. Just to make sure you are completely out of the picture. even if they didn't have a great golly ole' time in the vacation.

I have to agree with Sweat Lioness, verbal declarations can touch a Leo's heart. The Aries is more vocal, verbal, she's spilling her heart out, probably dragging her body across his feet, just all out physical verbal declarations with no limits, she's even PAYING his/her way and so power has been established, him being the one with all the power, feeding the leo ego beast with power and verbal declarations well he can't resist that.

Leaning back can work in your favor IMO, you'll get to see what he's made of...Is he a charming/seducer/player/user type? Or is he a good guy that is just trying to find his own way?

Your in a good position IMO, you get to SEE who he is and what he's made of. If he mistreats this girl then you know you dodged the heartache bullet.

o0phoenix0o- What are your ascendants?

Funny I'm leo with virgo moon and mercury virgo also but venus in leo and mars in scorpio. lol

Your moon virgo moon is not so compatible with his leo sun but his virgo moon is compatible with your Scorpio sun. Which means that he emotionally reacts in ways that are compatible to your sun sign, but you don't with his.

However regarding understanding..you both understand your emotional inner workings/states because both your moons are compatible.

Your mercury is compatible with his as well which means that you have the ability to communicate very well and can probably talk for hours.

Your venus/mars signs are very compatible as well. His venus in virgo means that he is looking for someone with a "virgo like personality" for a relationship and your venus in capricorn shows that you demonstrate "virgo compatible characteristics" when you are in a relationship/in regards to a relationship. Venus is what he is looking for in a relationship. Mars represents how you present yourself in a relationship/relationship style . So that is actually perfect.

Your sun is in scorpio which is also compatible with his needs for a virgo-like mate (his mars). This shows good compatibility as well. Your moon in virgo demonstrate that you can emotionally relate with him in terms of emotional issues in a good way.

His sun is in leo which shows that there may be some conflict at times with with who is truly is (the inner him) and what you are looking for in a relationship (virgo/or sign compatible with virgo) There may be some signs of frustration.

You are looking for virgo-characteristics/virgo like person in a relationship, because your mars is in virgo. The mars in your chart signifies what you are looking for and the venus signifies how you act in a relationship. This shows high compatibility because you are looking for virgo-like characteristics in a mate and he not only courts like a virgo, but he has a moon in virgo that serves a compatible emotional purpose in regards to your needs. You act like a capricorn when you are romantically involved with someone, this is highly compatible with his emotional needs because it's compatible with his moon in virgo and his need for virgo in a relationship. His mercury in virgo and your mercury in scorpio means that in regards to communication the both of you are highly compatible. This means you could talk about many different topics for hours on and on to no end. You will never get bored talking to each other with this compatibility in mercury. You enjoy your time together because you both love conversing with each other.

Hope this helps. 🙂

FireDragonScorpio-

His
sun - leo/virgo
asc - scorp
moon - libra
mars - gemini

mine
sun - scorp
asc - virgo
moon - libra
mars - leo

will make this short if you want more information message me and will get back to you when I can lol.


Your ascendants are compatible and that is what attracted you to each other. Virgo and scorp.

His leo sun is compatible with your libra moon. Makes a dreamy romantic carefree attraction.

Your Scorpio sun is not compatible with his libra moon. Makes you seem intense sometimes and it could be overwhelming.

Your moons are compatible which means you emotionally understand each other even though you may not always understand his actions because of your scorpio sun and his libra moon.

I can't tell you if your venus/mars signs are compatible because you did not provide venus signs. ( Actually more specifically I can't tell you what he is looking for in a relationship without his venus and if you are along the lines of what he might be attracted to.)

I can't tell you if you communicate well because you did not provide your mercury signs. (Specifically I can't tell you if you will stay on the phone for hours playing the "no you hang up first" game or won't be able to stand a 5 minute conversation.)

Your mars is in Leo which means you are looking for a Leo/leo like person/ leo compatible sign as a Mate. In a relationship you need to be courted by a leo and you feel emotionally secure (romantic needs are met) with a leo/or leo compatible sign. This is perfect for you, and may seem as a dream come true because his sun sign is a leo. In addition his moon is in libra which is leo compatible so you feel romantically fulfilled in a relationship with him. His mars is in gemini which is also compatible/relates with the leo sign that you are looking for. In a relationship he acts like a gemini, so this is good for you because you are looking for something Leo/leo like/ or something compatible with a leo (or in other words that shares similar characteristics as a leo).

His mars in gemini is not compatible with your sun sign or your ascendant which means in the beginning stages of a relationship you may slightly disconnected and frustrated because he may not intrigue you very much and you may not feel a spark or much of a connection at first.

However his mars in gemini is very compatible with your libra moon and mars in leo. This means that when the relationship develops you will realize that in regards

to a relationship he will be able to fulfill your emotional needs and court you accordingly/properly or romance you well (mars in leo). His mars in gemini also demonstrates that IN A RELATIONSHIP (only relationship, out of a relationship his sun sign will also apply to your moon more significantly) he will be able to better understand your emotional reactions to things. Which looks good.

Posted by tiki33
LOL

Did I not say it was "FREE", it's just a perk, a woman CANNOT BUY LOVE, she can't convince a man to feel what he doesn't naturally already feel, she's being a complete "FOOL".

When a man says I don't want you, well that most likely will not change, paying for a trip trying to bribe him most certainly won't change his mind but it will get her "USED" and treated like a doormat...Poor dear, she's really going to be devastated after that trip when she realizes nothing has changed.

Also I don't take too kind to men who specifically REJECT a woman and turn around and take a free trip. He's a bit of a user/player is he not? Misleading this woman to believe she's actually making progress with him, when in all actuality he's just ego tripping off her desperation.

Judge his character/morals/values...He's lacking

talked to him earlier(chat)and he confirmed they're ok. i said why dont two get back together then especially seems you two act like you never separated. and he said something 'bout it's hard to explain, lol. i told him the longer you let her do the things she's doing, the higher her expectations gonna be. im guessing he can't decide to let go of ex-aries girl now that im out of the picture, lol.

Posted by tiki33
Oh and notice how your leo scooted her ass right back in the whole game as a replaceMENT. He replaced you for her, she's good for now, he's just rotating them out LOL! And please don't let him make you jealous, LAUGH AT HIS ASS LIKE YOU DON'T CARE. Hold your head up like the magnificent Queen you are. He want a non challenging chick then so be it, let him take the easy route, he's not having any fun with her, I can almost guarantee you he's bored with her already.

She's a non factor, no competition at all...She'll be out soon, he's just hoping you'll come back and/or looking for a new replacement...one or the other or both.

well, if he can't make up his mind, he'd better find a new one instead. im not gonna settle for the same shit anymore, lol. nah, i don't get jealous that easy,hehehe...

Posted by sweat.lioness

Honestly, you should do what tiki says and IN ADDITION tell him she should go eff herself and that you should give it a shot. If you like this guy you shouldn't give up, as it seems like you are doing. If giving up make you happy and feel better about the situation on the long run then by all means do. As this is just advice you could leave or take. But leos are the type of people that if you don't show your commitment will get hurt and assume you are just something of the past. If he is volunteering information to you (which from what I have read he is) that means that he might want you to do something about it.

Leos feel helpless at a certain point because of their extraordinary manners and ettiquette. I'm assuming the situation is like so...this leo has told this aries...listen I'm not sure I really want to be in a relationship with you...it didn't work out..I'll be there for you, we can be friends...but it's over. If she says hey can you talk to me I'm going through some issues?..He'll say sure I have manners, I'm courteous, I'll be there for you anytime...but that doesn't mean I'm getting back with you.

Sometimes they need intervention.

Sometimes they are waiting for you to tell them this: (and this is the nitty gritty. the whole point of issue) WHY THE EFF ARE YOU TALKING TO YOUR COT DAMN EX, EFF HER, BE WITH ME, SHE'S YOUR PAST AND THAT'S WHERE SHE SHOULD STAY!

nah, im gonna let him see for himself (again) the reason he broke up with her in the first place. i don't wanna focus more energy into this than what's necessary. im just going to watch in the background and see how it plays out. im too good a catch to be ignored and i know he knows that, lol. it'll take time for me to be vocal about my feelings that's why im letting the ex-aries girl play her little games. if he's meant for me, my timing will come, where i'll be comfortable talking to him about how i felt. if not, im sure there's another wonderful guy waiting for me to come along and he will be grateful that i came into his life. this is too much drama and they could both drown themselves into it.

sorry bout that sweat.lioness, should have included the rest of the planets. here it is:
HIS
Sun Leo
Moon Virgo
Mercury Virgo
Venus Virgo
Mars Cancer
Jupiter Sagittarius
Saturn Libra
Uranus Sagittarius
Neptune Sagittarius
Pluto Libra
Lilith Aquarius
Asc node Gemini

MINE
Sun Scorpio
Moon Virgo
Mercury Scorpio
Venus Capricorn
Mars Virgo
Jupiter Libra
Saturn Libra
Uranus Sagittarius
Neptune Sagittarius
Pluto Libra
Lilith Sagittarius
Asc node Cancer


awww, ascending node is that the ascending sign? he's got gemini, ouch. figures...

He's a bit of an opportunist...IMO knowing that leo men can BE so much better he's part of the lower conscious minded leo males out there. I've seen this scenario played out with Leo males and yes some will use a woman just because she's worshiping and constantly consistently stroking his fat ego.

Do yourself a huge favor, stop discussing him and her, you are just adding fire to flame by making her appear more important than she really is, no need to discuss DESPERATION with him, he know she's desperate and he's exploiting her desperation, she's not important, next time change the subject, REMEMBER never step off your QUEEN pedestal to talk about another female, she's not more important than you and WHO CARES what he does with her, none of your business, If it were me I'd place some distance between myself and them online, tell him to have fun and get on with your life.

He's just playing head f*ck games with the Aries, it's all drama based, she's begging and clamoring to pay for his love and he's eating it all up by letting her do it, she'll most likely end up slashing his tires or breaking out a few windows once she realizes she's back at square one (rejected/not good enough to be in a commitment with), since he doesn't have a better replacement well she'll do for now...

Posted by sweat.lioness

However regarding understanding..you both understand your emotional inner workings/states because both your moons are compatible.

Your mercury is compatible with his as well which means that you have the ability to communicate very well and can probably talk for hours.

Your venus/mars signs are very compatible as well. His venus in virgo means that he is looking for someone with a "virgo like personality" for a relationship and your venus in capricorn shows that you demonstrate "virgo compatible characteristics" when you are in a relationship/in regards to a relationship. Venus is what he is looking for in a relationship. Mars represents how you present yourself in a relationship/relationship style . So that is actually perfect.

Your sun is in scorpio which is also compatible with his needs for a virgo-like mate (his mars). This shows good compatibility as well. Your moon in virgo demonstrate that you can emotionally relate with him in terms of emotional issues in a good way.

this is one reason why i have regrets that i didn't tell him how i felt. never felt this close with my ex-aries and it's hard for me to spill out my emotions to someone im involved with romantically. you can see me writing my feelings about it here but telling it to him, yikes, ahhmmmm, i'll need time...

Posted by tiki33
He's a bit of an opportunist...IMO knowing that leo men can BE so much better he's part of the lower conscious minded leo males out there. I've seen this scenario played out with Leo males and yes some will use a woman just because she's worshiping and constantly consistently stroking his fat ego.

Do yourself a huge favor, stop discussing him and her, you are just adding fire to flame by making her appear more important than she really is, no need to discuss DESPERATION with him, he know she's desperate and he's exploiting her desperation, she's not important, next time change the subject, REMEMBER never step off your QUEEN pedestal to talk about another female, she's not more important than you and WHO CARES what he does with her, none of your business, If it were me I'd place some distance between myself and them online, tell him to have fun and get on with your life.

He's just playing head f*ck games with the Aries, it's all drama based, she's begging and clamoring to pay for his love and he's eating it all up by letting her do it, she'll most likely end up slashing his tires or breaking out a few windows once she realizes she's back at square one (rejected/not good enough to be in a commitment with), since he doesn't have a better replacement well she'll do for now...

hahaha, tiki, can't help visualizing her slashing his tires or breaking his windows, lol.

yeah he's living in the moment, reaping those benefits but when she loses her cool (and eventually she will) she'll be slashing tires and busting out windows, Aries do not play and will kick ass for playing with her emotions LOL

Posted by FireDragonScorpio
example: my daughter wants a blackberry (she's 12). she first asked about a month ago and i said no. she proceeded to publicly out me on facebook as being the worst mother on the planet and could only talk to me between gritted teeth. everything i did was wrong and she was a nightmare to the point that i found myself actually checking out blackberry contracts on the internet. such control!! it's easier to keep them sweet than it is to try and go against them.

she still doesn't have the blackberry and so i'm winning. she's no longer my friend on facebook though, lol. like father, like daughter.

lol...

i like the HTC better..never liked the QWERTY keypad on the blackberry (got long nails so can't use 'em, hehehe...i got updates by the way regarding my story but ill type that later...*wink

Well, phoenix is in second place to the Aries and for good reason. Don't discount the Aries/Leo bond. For me, it was like meeting a soul mate that rocked my world because I never dated one before so it started rough and adjustments had to be made but damn, she is everything I ever wanted and the kicker is; it was so damn easy.

Your chart looks good phoenix but you need exact time, date and location to see the true aspects. It might be so easy that there isn't many sparks to keep him interested.

Aries are basically honorable, noble, loyal and passionate. Of course they're bad eggs in every bunch which ends up going nowhere but if you get a good one, they are not easy for us to forget because they fit so well into our ideal mate image. Stop dissing them! 😉 Hey, if it's meant to be for you, then he would have been there for you and never would let you go but something was missing. And if he's a jerk and just using her (which makes you feel better to think that) then why would you want a guy like that in the first place? That's still a slap in the face.
You deserve better so move on and let them play out whatever is going on between them. But don't think there isn't a strong bond there. I don't know any guy who would go somewhere even if it was free with a girl he didn't want. If he did, that tells you something about him. He might have told you she's paying to lessen the blow for you and keep a door open but you don't really know. He's playing both ends (you and her) against each other and that's sick.

Update Phoenix...

well, since i stopped going to his place and staying there overnight (sometimes 3 days straight in a week), ex-aries somehow found a way to convince leo to let her stay for a week. she said she wanted to meet me so i went there to hang out. girl seems nice (i like her, in fact). so, i guess they're getting back together. the girl hinted by the way (very subtly) that she's getting her act together, she doesn't play games anymore since she knows that when you're very close to someone (to a guy specifically) it could possibly ruin whatever relationship the guy has, lol. seems to me, since he can't grab a handle on leo guys actions, she's trying to plead with me that i should be the one who should just move away. if we weren't attracted to the same guy, and she's like one of my long time friends, i could easily tell her that even if i get myself out of the picture, another pretty, sexy girl would grab leo's attention and she'd still be in the same position she is now. "waiting for crumbs". anyway. i finally knew the answer why nothing happened between us again (me and leo). an aquarius and a virgo guy (both acquaintance of ours) were trying to date me and leo guy was lecturing me 'bout what men usually is after. i told him, "is that how you see me? that men would ask me out on a date just to get laid?". he told me he "loves me" and im the type of girl that you take seriously in a relationship and that he's just expressing his concern. LMAO.

Posted by FireDragonScorpio
so phoenix, i guess i'm saying to you that you have to accept he's not available. whatever is going on with the aries, it doesn't matter, he's not in a position to be there for you and so you have to let him go. i did with the one i really like and it made me feel so much better! i decided not to waste my time on trying to figure out what i had done wrong or what it was about me he didn't like cos i know i did absolutely nothing wrong and i'm pretty fucking awesome!! it was purely down to the fact that he was not emotionally available to me and quite frankly, i've got a whole fucking carousel of emotional baggage going on and i don't need anyone else's.
mind you, he's a pretty hard act to follow 🙂

thanks firedragon, im not really beating myself up that i gave in and had sex with him too soon, mostly curious why it never happened again coz i wanted more of it, hahaha...

I would drop them both (aries and leo), they both are boring as in predictable, aries is emotionally desperate and leo's ego can't resist being begged and begged and begged plus he's a player, he led you on and now he's dumping you for her when just not to long ago she the aries was being dumped, how he can easily jump from you to her to you to her which really just makes him out to be a douche, he doesn't love you and he's not concerned, he loves anyone loving him...that old saying I love you loving me.

I wouldn't allow myself to get caught up in that nonsensical triangular web.

Hi FireDragon! I totally agree (:

Posted by FireDragonScorpio
phoenix. to be honest, it all sounds like a really twisted triangle. are you sure you want to expend all this energy for this guy? if he loves you, why isn't he with you? why isn't he the one offering the relationship he says is ideal for you? test him on that and leave them both alone as much as you can and eventually he will come and claim you, if he ever grows some that is.

fact is, whatever is going on with the aries and him it is kind of painting a picture of what would be in store for you if you were with him. you would be the one waiting for crumbs and living with the knowledge that his head turns easily.

that's exactly why, if you want a relationship with him, you have to leave him alone until he is actually available to you cos until he is, everything he says to you is bullshit.

i feel really sorry for the aries girl actually and i would feel really bad in your position because it's really you who should be the one to step away and stay away while she resolves her issues with him.

irrespective of astrology, men want their cake and eat it too. so take the cake away for fuck's sake. your feelings for him are inappropriate. it was probably his fault for starting something in the first place when he knew he wasn't in a position to but now you know how the land lies, you have to do the decent thing...for yourself too. you're wasting your time here and possibly missing out on more suitable and most importantly,available guys.

everyone wants the unattainable until they attain it. you need time to clear your head on this issue. time alone.

++1

Well said...

hahaha, firedragon and tiki, writing here and hearing all your opinions help clear some of the things for me and im really not spending that much effort into this anymore (not like before) im happy, that he's out of my system, i can function well without missing him and i get attracted to other guys already (which i think is a good sign).

* update * update

oh, before i go on, firedragon, i hope you're truly, finally over your leo. (coz i am , woot!)

just wanted to let you know that an aqua guy fell for me and i think i'm starting to like him. there's only 1 catch though, he's 24 and i'm 29 (i'll be 30 in a few days) yikes...

so, ima lurk in the aquas board (and ive seen one of your post/reply to one of the threads already tiki)^_^

oh and leo is still on the background but im too preoccupied to notice (or care) and aries girl is still being (this probably might go on forever) a doormat. i wish i could push her to at least read this site but i would have to hide my post lol. im sure she'll get a lot of good insights on this forum and hope she's not too broken by then.

kisses to all...

Posted by FireDragonScorpio
btw, that age gap is nothing. trust me, lol!!

alright, alright,hahaha...im starting to see that now but i hope ur right...wow, u found a scorpio like us, oh my, if he's trying to distract you, you're already on his radar. u know how we immediately knew if a person could be a potential mate, he's gonna go after you (slowly) hope he's an ok guy. we'll keep me posted.

^_^

* sigh...

ex-aries girl is all over my fb wall...leo guy removed her from his friend's list and she tried reaching out to me again. tried to give her advice as best i can ( i've lost touch with leo guy after i decided to back away) so im guessing two of them might have argued about something (probably about me) i am now with the aquarius guy i mentioned before...

recieved a text from leo guy...asked me how i've been, conversation turned into an argument when he admitted he wants me and how in less than a month i am now with someone else. im guessing he's trying to lure me back in. i feel like he finally admitted how he feels coz he got backed into a corner when he realized i wont be waiting when he gets tired of playing his games or when he stops being confused.

i am happy with my new aquarius bf, he made me believe again that love is true if shared and that love shouldn't be played like a game and relationship shouldn't be hard if partners make an effort to communicate what they want. i could drown in his stare and i could forget everything else in the world except how we feel for each other when he looks at me. he always assure me that he's not like any of the guys i might have met before and that he wish he could erase the doubt in my mind (it keeps crawling out no matter how hard i try to hide it). we're fairly new so i told him it's just an automatic response, having a bf will need some time getting used to coz ive been single for too long.

but tonight, ima play leo guy's playlist, get drunk, reminisce and drown from regrets and longing.

and tomorrow i shall be ok again and start being happy. i choose to be happy, so i am finally letting my love for leo guy go...

Hey Phoenix...Did I not say

"He's just playing head f*ck games with the Aries, it's all drama based, she's begging and clamoring to pay for his love and he's eating it all up by letting her do it, she'll most likely end up slashing his tires or breaking out a few windows once she realizes she's back at square one (rejected/not good enough to be in a commitment with), since he doesn't have a better replacement well she'll do for now..."

And you dumping him and moving on is EXACTLY what you were supposed to do, he easily moved on from you back to Aries girl IN A MATTER OF DAYS. Remember that? Remember when he realized you weren't going to play his game so he quickly invited Aries in the woman he didn't want nor love, his ego is so huge he actually profited from her desperation, allowed her to pay for trips, all that, she was desperate enough to stick around no matter how much he dogged her out, you don't want this kind of guy in your life, yes it feels good temporarily but inevitably you'll only feel disappointed and heartbroken over his thoughtless behavior. He only things about himself and you are with someone that thinks about someone other than himself, your Aqua thinks about you and that's very important to sustain a real bond/relationship with a man.

Leo has some growing up to do, he'll forget all about you in a matter of days, hell he's probably already replaced the Aries and hope you'll go back to being his back up option. Sigh relief that you are out of this triangular bullshit relationship and found someone that really does care about you. He is f*cking with your head just like he did with the Aries girl, he doesn't care either way, all he care if you GIVE HIM THE VALIDATION HE SEEKS by coming back, that's all he care about, his ego, his validation as important through your actions.

If I were you I wouldn't listen to the playlist, destroy it and move on with your life, he's not worth the time and energy to wallow over, find something BETTER more positive to do with your energy, thoughts and time.

thanks tiki..i am now listening over and over again to a song i heard while talking and hanging out with my bf a few days ago. realized leo man's playing his mind games again when his text came out of nowhere and i had time to think about how unusual for him to text impromptu. funny that he's doing exactly what we were discussing before what he might do if i do move on. and i hate their drama lol. especially ex-aries' style , whew. thankful i was able to let go of all that messy stuff.

i know this shouldn't be on this thread but ur aquarius too, right? i read some stuff from the aquarius board and is it normal for you guys to say "i love you" early on in the relationship? he seems smitten and so into me but i dont throw that word around easily so just curious if that's normal for aquarius men...

"funny that he's doing exactly what we were discussing before what he might do if i do move on. "

Yeah men like him pretty much do the same thing over and over again, it's all pretty predictable.

Oh gosh Aquarius men are so different than Aquarius women, least they are to me. I can't say all Aqua men say "I love you" early but yes they've been known to express themselves quite early on, fire signs IMO bring that side out in us, something lovable about leo's and aries that stop us in our somewhat cold mechanical heart'd tracks and warm us up and turn us to pure mushy love lol but all jokes aside any man that says I love you too fast is suspect, meaning be observant that his words and actions are matching up. As long as you don't say it back until your absolutely sure than you should be good, it's okay for him to express himself if that's how he truly feels but try not to feel pressured to say it back, don't say I love you back unless you mean it and are sure he means it too.

Posted by tiki33


I can't say all Aqua men say "I love you" early but yes they've been known to express themselves quite early on, fire signs IMO bring that side out in us, something lovable about leo's and aries that stop us in our somewhat cold mechanical heart'd tracks and warm us up and turn us to pure mushy love lol but all jokes aside any man that says I love you too fast is suspect, meaning be observant that his words and actions are matching up. As long as you don't say it back until your absolutely sure than you should be good, it's okay for him to express himself if that's how he truly feels but try not to feel pressured to say it back, don't say I love you back unless you mean it and are sure he means it too.

that could be it, he's got venus in sagittarius...and yeah, his actions matches his words, just wary of u know, that he might burn all his love for me

too early, hehehe...we're pretty honest with each other and everything is clear cut. we appreciate each other and no mind games, no push and pull. old habits die hard so there's a bit of niggling doubt at the back of my mind, bit nervous bout the age gap as well, (6 years) LOL. thank u so much tiki, been anxiously waiting for your response. hope i can repay the kindness you've given me these past few months when i was lost. i greatly appreciate everything...

and thanks guys, all who posted here on my thread...

here's his chart BTW :

Sun Aquarius 4.38
Moon Sagittarius 3.13
Mercury Aquarius 13.03
Venus Sagittarius 18.02
Mars Aries 11.39
Jupiter Pisces 21.54
Saturn Sagittarius 17.53
Uranus Sagittarius 24.56
Neptune Capricorn 6.35
Pluto Scorpio 9.53
Lilith Cancer 7.03
Asc node Aries 14.18

mine :

Sun Scorpio 28.46
Moon Virgo 28.42
Mercury Scorpio 17.51
Venus Capricorn 15.27
Mars Virgo 17.28
Jupiter Libra 28.50
Saturn Libra 18.11
Uranus Sagittarius 0.18
Neptune Sagittarius 23.39
Pluto Libra 25.37
Lilith Sagittarius 6.23
Asc node Cancer 23.56

Rituv13, I was going to answer your post but I didn't have time to do it, was really busy today and I come back and you hid it LOL....You can email me what you posted or unhide your post, I have lot's of insight to give you that may help you on your dating journey.

Unfortunately Phoenix I cannot read astrology charts womp womp, it's a goal of mine to learn b/c I feel this may be able to help me give more insight as I'm growing but it seems you are on the right track with this guy, remember to pace yourself, don't be in such a hurry to get it wrong, take your time, go slow and this could easily turn into a long term relationship (if that's what you want). Remember 6 years is a huge age gap so tread carefully, be observant, don't push or pressure and focus on developing your life, don't revolve yourself around his world or it could turn bad quickly, give him some space to breathe but don't put up with neglect especially that in and out crap. I'm glad I could support you through your experience/relationship with the leo, it was my pleasure.

no worries tiki, i know a little but it was sweat.lioness who explained the charts with more depth. (was kinda hoping she's still following this thread). i have learned a lot from the people who posts on these boards over the years and it has helped me get a better grip on which situations i might have done better, cases where i was doing the right thing and just can't help getting messed up with other people's dramas. it's my way of learning, getting my hands dirty but as you grow old you get tired of bashing your head straight through a wall, you learn to step back and "really" listen to other people who might have gone through the same thing. i'd like to know what situations i could avoid so i wont repeat the same mistake over and over again (just different packages but same lesson nonetheless) i am a scorp and we tend to hold things in, keep everything inside, and i have learned "slowly" over the years to try to communicate what i want in order to get results. i used to manipulate things and get depressed when things/people aren't going my way (im doing it subtly, of course) but it's self - destructive. i continue to learn when i get tangled with leos or aquarius or any of the other fire and air signs, people who are completely different from me in how they handle and view things. im emotional and reading other people's posts has given me insights of the things i don't see when i was in the same exact position as them.

i let my aquarian bf court me, imagine that? LOL...sometimes, it's better to get back to basics, makes things a whole lot simpler. i told him i got trust issues (which is normal for all scorpios i know or people who has strong scorp affliction on their charts) but i told him im willing to give him a chance to prove it to me that he's trustworthy. told him as well, love and trust doesnt grow on trees and that no matter how attracted we are towards each other, trust has to be earned and love has to grow (not instantly,lol) and as we communicate, we are also creating a bond borne out of friendship, which i think is one of the best foundation of any relationship. ( that's why i got so hang up with leo before, we were so close )we had sex of course for i wont be comfortable being in a relationship where im not intimate with the person (which got me so confused with leo again, lmao)it's mostly our fear that stops us from saying what we feel, and that's when i usually go lurk on these boards.

it also helps that i have a great support system...what i usually write here, i have discussed in real life with my mom (which is an aquarian like u tiki) and my set of friends aren't afraid to give me a good bashing when i start justifying things. they call me queen of justification (yikes) they're like u tiki, they're not afraid to tell me what im doing wrong no matter how hurtful it is to hear coz they know and see things i couldn't when emotions are involved.most of my closest friends are fire and air signs and i know i can handle pretty much everything thrown my way except when it comes to love relationships, lol.

Phoenix you are going to be just fine and oh wow an Aqua mom, I wonder what that's like LOL, my mom is fire/Leo and I love leo's and I have an deep affection for fire signs. Having a great support system is key to developing better habits and honestly the leo, he LOST, he just let a great woman slip out of his hands, he's a fool for allowing you out of his sight but as they say, the best man wins.

You have a good head on your shoulders and I have no doubt you'll do just fine with your Aqua guy.