do you believe in hell and heaven?

This topic was created in the Metaphysical forum by lisabethur8 on Thursday, January 18, 2018 and has 25 replies.

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if we are responsible for what we do to other people and ourselves, is there a reason why we have consciences and doing good deeds and doing bad in this world?

do you believe in hell and heaven when we are dead and we are atoning for our sins?

had a nightmare, and i felt there was a hell out there, and i heard screams, and i can't see them but they are there. so this concept of hell and heaven and places we go when we are bad or good people...what do you think?

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Posted by clownloyal
sure, why not doesn't hurt to believe

I mean summer and winter exist I bet you heaven is freezing and God forces you to be naked and gives you wings as a way to warm your body

no i'm being serious. but that's an interesting concept about wings and nakedness. would we even be aware of nudity? maybe we dont even have a form or genitals. they are of no use in the heavens.

and plus, why do we exist in the first place here on earth? to enjoy life? and grow as people?, but why are there alot of bad things in the world and alot of stuff that also makes alot of people feel tempted to do and therefore reap the bad consequences?

there must be a reason for why and hows.. and there's a place where people go when they are done living in this world.

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sure, why not doesn't hurt to believe

I mean summer and winter exist I bet you heaven is freezing and God forces you to be naked and gives you wings as a way to warm your body

no i'm being serious. but that's an interesting concept about wings and nakedness. would we even be aware of nudity? maybe we dont even have a form or genitals. they are of no use in the heavens.

and plus, why do we exist in the first place here on earth? to enjoy life? and grow as people?, but why are there alot of bad things in the world and alot of stuff that also makes alot of people feel tempted to do and therefore reap the bad consequences?

there must be a reason for why and hows.. and there's a place where people go when they are done living in this world.

life is an experience, there must be obstacles in order to win or lose

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winning then is getting to heaven.

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sure, why not doesn't hurt to believe

I mean summer and winter exist I bet you heaven is freezing and God forces you to be naked and gives you wings as a way to warm your body

no i'm being serious. but that's an interesting concept about wings and nakedness. would we even be aware of nudity? maybe we dont even have a form or genitals. they are of no use in the heavens.

and plus, why do we exist in the first place here on earth? to enjoy life? and grow as people?, but why are there alot of bad things in the world and alot of stuff that also makes alot of people feel tempted to do and therefore reap the bad consequences?

there must be a reason for why and hows.. and there's a place where people go when they are done living in this world.

life is an experience, there must be obstacles in order to win or lose

winning then is getting to heaven.

idk both places have bosses I am trying to do my own thang when I die

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lol

yeah, pretty scary.

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I always wonder the same question everytime someone close to me passes away. I just wish their soul is in a good place.

I would totally go crazy if I try to answer all these questions, one day I was thinking so hard about it and then I realized, no one has had proof that either exist, nor that they don't exist.

So, whatever I think will make me feel good regardless if is true or not, at least until I find a way to prove it.

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Posted by Aerazo

I always wonder the same question everytime someone close to me passes away. I just wish their soul is in a good place.

I would totally go crazy if I try to answer all these questions, one day I was thinking so hard about it and then I realized, no one has had proof that either exist, nor that they don't exist.

So, whatever I think will make me feel good regardless if is true or not, at least until I find a way to prove it.

yes.

you get what i mean....where do souls go?

where do we go? i mean do we just die and then blackness..NOTHING??

do our souls or subconscious that we are existing and how we are able to feel other human beings, and there is this conscience of right and wrong and how they feel...and that we shouldnt hurt other people...those are existing for a reason..

why bother in the first place? why bother to exist? to live in life having families and people to love only to have them be taken away after they die?

why why why?

where do they go? where do we go?

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Posted by lisabethur8

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I always wonder the same question everytime someone close to me passes away. I just wish their soul is in a good place.

I would totally go crazy if I try to answer all these questions, one day I was thinking so hard about it and then I realized, no one has had proof that either exist, nor that they don't exist.

So, whatever I think will make me feel good regardless if is true or not, at least until I find a way to prove it.

yes.

you get what i mean....where do souls go?

where do we go? i mean do we just die and then blackness..NOTHING??

do our souls or subconscious that we are existing and how we are able to feel other human beings, and there is this conscience of right and wrong and how they feel...and that we shouldnt hurt other people...those are existing for a reason..

why bother in the first place? why bother to exist? to live in life having families and people to love only to have them be taken away after they die?

why why why?

where do they go? where do we go?

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I can't even say "In my own opinion" or "in of personal belief" I believe this or that because I don't even know what to believe.

Believing that there is something after death, just makes me feel goosebumps, it's so mysterious but the Egyptians believed that whatever we do in our lives (here) is just building something for the after death. Because for them, that's when you get to live.

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Posted by Aerazo

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I always wonder the same question everytime someone close to me passes away. I just wish their soul is in a good place.

I would totally go crazy if I try to answer all these questions, one day I was thinking so hard about it and then I realized, no one has had proof that either exist, nor that they don't exist.

So, whatever I think will make me feel good regardless if is true or not, at least until I find a way to prove it.

yes.

you get what i mean....where do souls go?

where do we go? i mean do we just die and then blackness..NOTHING??

do our souls or subconscious that we are existing and how we are able to feel other human beings, and there is this conscience of right and wrong and how they feel...and that we shouldnt hurt other people...those are existing for a reason..

why bother in the first place? why bother to exist? to live in life having families and people to love only to have them be taken away after they die?

why why why?

where do they go? where do we go?

I can't even say "In my own opinion" or "in of personal belief" I believe this or that because I don't even know what to believe.

Believing that there is something after death, just makes me feel goosebumps, it's so mysterious but the Egyptians believed that whatever we do in our lives (here) is just building something for the after death. Because for them, that's when you get to live.

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there's alot of mystery in this world.

and that's interesting egyptians believed that.

if that's where they get to live...then living now in this life is not much because they look forward to dying.

why bother to be born?

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Posted by lisabethur8

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I always wonder the same question everytime someone close to me passes away. I just wish their soul is in a good place.

I would totally go crazy if I try to answer all these questions, one day I was thinking so hard about it and then I realized, no one has had proof that either exist, nor that they don't exist.

So, whatever I think will make me feel good regardless if is true or not, at least until I find a way to prove it.

yes.

you get what i mean....where do souls go?

where do we go? i mean do we just die and then blackness..NOTHING??

do our souls or subconscious that we are existing and how we are able to feel other human beings, and there is this conscience of right and wrong and how they feel...and that we shouldnt hurt other people...those are existing for a reason..

why bother in the first place? why bother to exist? to live in life having families and people to love only to have them be taken away after they die?

why why why?

where do they go? where do we go?

I can't even say "In my own opinion" or "in of personal belief" I believe this or that because I don't even know what to believe.

Believing that there is something after death, just makes me feel goosebumps, it's so mysterious but the Egyptians believed that whatever we do in our lives (here) is just building something for the after death. Because for them, that's when you get to live.

there's alot of mystery in this world.

and that's interesting egyptians believed that.

if that's where they get to live...then living now in this life is not much because they look forward to dying.

why bother to be born?

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you missed part of my point. The life here (if we can call it that way) is given to us to build. And we collect (or get to live) after death.

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We are in hell right now.

why do you say that?

are you unhappy and miserable?

Not only me, right?

i only ask you cause you replied and wrote that.

yeh there's other people out there, lots unhappy and sad

but i dont think they are thinking they are in hell. we dont know..that's why i asked you.

I really think we go through what we deserve.

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that's...actually a very good answer.

but there are still innocents that don't deserve it...

like children who get abducted or imprisoned ... some past live peeps believers believe that it's from past lives and they accumulated the bad stuff.

i dont like to believe that cause they know nothing of the bad life before when they enter this world..therefore innocent.

then there's the saying, you are born with sin anyway.

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Posted by clownloyal
sure, why not doesn't hurt to believe

I mean summer and winter exist I bet you heaven is freezing and God forces you to be naked and gives you wings as a way to warm your body

no i'm being serious. but that's an interesting concept about wings and nakedness. would we even be aware of nudity? maybe we dont even have a form or genitals. they are of no use in the heavens.

and plus, why do we exist in the first place here on earth? to enjoy life? and grow as people?, but why are there alot of bad things in the world and alot of stuff that also makes alot of people feel tempted to do and therefore reap the bad consequences?

there must be a reason for why and hows.. and there's a place where people go when they are done living in this world.

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That calls for lots of beer/wine, candles and a cozy night outside smoking cigarettes and talking till it gets morning again ❤️ Perfect

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I always wonder the same question everytime someone close to me passes away. I just wish their soul is in a good place.

I would totally go crazy if I try to answer all these questions, one day I was thinking so hard about it and then I realized, no one has had proof that either exist, nor that they don't exist.

So, whatever I think will make me feel good regardless if is true or not, at least until I find a way to prove it.

yes.

you get what i mean....where do souls go?

where do we go? i mean do we just die and then blackness..NOTHING??

do our souls or subconscious that we are existing and how we are able to feel other human beings, and there is this conscience of right and wrong and how they feel...and that we shouldnt hurt other people...those are existing for a reason..

why bother in the first place? why bother to exist? to live in life having families and people to love only to have them be taken away after they die?

why why why?

where do they go? where do we go?

I can't even say "In my own opinion" or "in of personal belief" I believe this or that because I don't even know what to believe.

Believing that there is something after death, just makes me feel goosebumps, it's so mysterious but the Egyptians believed that whatever we do in our lives (here) is just building something for the after death. Because for them, that's when you get to live.

there's alot of mystery in this world.

and that's interesting egyptians believed that.

if that's where they get to live...then living now in this life is not much because they look forward to dying.

why bother to be born?

you missed part of my point. The life here (if we can call it that way) is given to us to build. And we collect (or get to live) after death.

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it's always buidling ....with egyptians..it's as if that's their motto. Build. even in their religion and philosophy..how very very interesting. I have to study more on egypt

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Posted by clownloyal
sure, why not doesn't hurt to believe

I mean summer and winter exist I bet you heaven is freezing and God forces you to be naked and gives you wings as a way to warm your body

no i'm being serious. but that's an interesting concept about wings and nakedness. would we even be aware of nudity? maybe we dont even have a form or genitals. they are of no use in the heavens.

and plus, why do we exist in the first place here on earth? to enjoy life? and grow as people?, but why are there alot of bad things in the world and alot of stuff that also makes alot of people feel tempted to do and therefore reap the bad consequences?

there must be a reason for why and hows.. and there's a place where people go when they are done living in this world.

That calls for lots of beer/wine, candles and a cozy night outside smoking cigarettes and talking till it gets morning again ❤️ Perfect

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yeah i talk with my husband about that alot, but other philsophcial stuff.

but today he had to get up early and go far to work so i called my mother and sister and then came online, because..well you guys are also into this stuff. and into the occult (astrology is occultish) so who better than like-minds?

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I always wonder the same question everytime someone close to me passes away. I just wish their soul is in a good place.

I would totally go crazy if I try to answer all these questions, one day I was thinking so hard about it and then I realized, no one has had proof that either exist, nor that they don't exist.

So, whatever I think will make me feel good regardless if is true or not, at least until I find a way to prove it.

I always forgot that you are Pink as Floyd too 😄

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What about those who decide to take their own life?

In some places (sacred books) say that they don't go to heaven.. But why wouldn't They? if the reason they did it was because they were hurting.

I have close people who commited suicide and it hurts me when people use their "sacred books " to say that they dont go to heaven.

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I always wonder the same question everytime someone close to me passes away. I just wish their soul is in a good place.

I would totally go crazy if I try to answer all these questions, one day I was thinking so hard about it and then I realized, no one has had proof that either exist, nor that they don't exist.

So, whatever I think will make me feel good regardless if is true or not, at least until I find a way to prove it.

I always forgot that you are Pink as Floyd too 😄

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Always!!! 🤗

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Posted by Aerazo
What about those who decide to take their own life?

In some places (sacred books) say that they don't go to heaven.. But why wouldn't They? if the reason they did it was because they were hurting.

I have close people who commited suicide and it hurts me when people use their "sacred books " to say that they dont go to heaven.

i have a big feeling they do that so that you are guilted into NOT taking your life

because it HURTS people you love...or rather who love you.

so the fear of being ostracized ...they give you visuals into films and movies and before movies and films,

you were ostracized as a family and your tombstone ...well you didnt have any.

so the big FEAR...dont commit suicide even if you are suffering.

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Posted by lisabethur8

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I always wonder the same question everytime someone close to me passes away. I just wish their soul is in a good place.

I would totally go crazy if I try to answer all these questions, one day I was thinking so hard about it and then I realized, no one has had proof that either exist, nor that they don't exist.

So, whatever I think will make me feel good regardless if is true or not, at least until I find a way to prove it.

yes.

you get what i mean....where do souls go?

where do we go? i mean do we just die and then blackness..NOTHING??

do our souls or subconscious that we are existing and how we are able to feel other human beings, and there is this conscience of right and wrong and how they feel...and that we shouldnt hurt other people...those are existing for a reason..

why bother in the first place? why bother to exist? to live in life having families and people to love only to have them be taken away after they die?

why why why?

where do they go? where do we go?

I can't even say "In my own opinion" or "in of personal belief" I believe this or that because I don't even know what to believe.

Believing that there is something after death, just makes me feel goosebumps, it's so mysterious but the Egyptians believed that whatever we do in our lives (here) is just building something for the after death. Because for them, that's when you get to live.

there's alot of mystery in this world.

and that's interesting egyptians believed that.

if that's where they get to live...then living now in this life is not much because they look forward to dying.

why bother to be born?

you missed part of my point. The life here (if we can call it that way) is given to us to build. And we collect (or get to live) after death.

it's always buidling ....with egyptians..it's as if that's their motto. Build. even in their religion and philosophy..how very very interesting. I have to study more on egypt

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Definitely! I should too! I have read about why they believe cats are sacred and I feel so identified with it, not because I grew up with it, not at all, I grew up in Colombia but we were always taught a lot about other cultures and their beliefs, maybe that's why I'm so open minded to other cultures. But with the cats it was more like an instinct.

http://www.ancientegyptonline.co.uk/cat.html

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What about those who decide to take their own life?

In some places (sacred books) say that they don't go to heaven.. But why wouldn't They? if the reason they did it was because they were hurting.

I have close people who commited suicide and it hurts me when people use their "sacred books " to say that they dont go to heaven.

i have a big feeling they do that so that you are guilted into NOT taking your life

because it HURTS people you love...or rather who love you.

so the fear of being ostracized ...they give you visuals into films and movies and before movies and films,

you were ostracized as a family and your tombstone ...well you didnt have any.

so the big FEAR...dont commit suicide even if you are suffering.

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True, like everything else that is UNKNOWN they make it FORBIDDEN.

I'm starting to see a pattern.

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Not at all.

What is viewed as 'sinful' behavior, and morality, are both relative. What is wrong to me, could be right to many other people, other cultures, and religious groups. So christianity is right, and they all go to hell?

I think if there was a god, it would not work that way.

there has to be a way to keep people from going "chaos"

especially uneducated in many places, or countries where there is no schooling and no higher learning.

so in order to keep people from going crazy and intruding upon their neighbors,

they need boundaries.

where does that come from?

how do we as a society keep from destroying eachother?

does it come easy?

i mean, history alone shows that humans do really bad stuff (Genocide)

kill eachother because one is taller and lighter skinned and the other is not even though they're of the same

so there is a reason why these things exist.

you can just run around rampant without rules. I think that's why they have that in bibles and religious followings. to help build a society and community.

i mean how would you do it if you were in charge of a community?

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We are in hell right now.

why do you say that?

are you unhappy and miserable?

Not only me, right?

i only ask you cause you replied and wrote that.

yeh there's other people out there, lots unhappy and sad

but i dont think they are thinking they are in hell. we dont know..that's why i asked you.

I really think we go through what we deserve.

that's...actually a very good answer.

but there are still innocents that don't deserve it...

like children who get abducted or imprisoned ... some past live peeps believers believe that it's from past lives and they accumulated the bad stuff.

i dont like to believe that cause they know nothing of the bad life before when they enter this world..therefore innocent.

then there's the saying, you are born with sin anyway.

Yes, I would believe that. Or they will get awarded later in life.

There is no absolutely happy life and there is no absolutely unhappy life 🙂 .

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basically you're saying ...because we all get sad and we all get happy..

so we dont have really a happy happy life or a super sad life because emotionally we get depressed and we get happy.