Anyone else find Universal Signs inherently selfish

more so than the Personal Signs?

Universal signs seem to care about their public standing and how the world views them (ie. sympathetic, successful, intelligent etc) but actually don’t care about people on a personal level. Some examples

Aquarius - his best friend has risked Covid to come home and take care of his dying mother, yet this Aqua keeps dodging him and won’t meet up and be a support for his friend. Knows he’s doing wrong but does nothing to change his behaviour. Turns every conversation into something about himself. Both his parents are Pisces and twice as bad as he is.

Sag - is constantly talking about money and the price of her purchases. Always mentioning her cousin is a Dr. Bitch I’ve known you both since primary school, I know already. That doesn’t make you a Dr too. A few weeks ago I told her I was getting my Covid shot and she tells me she’s jealous I’m getting it before her. Like angry jealous. Haven’t heard from her since.

Cap - During a zoom meeting, talks about how much his socks and underwear cost and how he’s hired a personal trainer that’s so expensive he’s embarrassed how much he’s spending. Many people in the meeting were temporarily out of work.

Pisces - complains complains complains. Calls me for favours disguised as seeking advice. If I can’t do it she’ll start plotting who to call and ask next. Love her but damn

All the personal signs I know are super caring and considerate and always offering their services or checking up on me. I could be dead in a ditch and the Universals would only come check if the smell from my corpse had drawn a crowd. Then they’d cry for the audience and pretend we were so close

I disagree and agree

Those signs are deeply impacted and impact people as a whole.

They’re not worried about the singular individual. The message is too big for that.

Imagine if Kurt Cobain loved Courtney Love more than his music?

Posted by DMV

I disagree and agree

Those signs are deeply impacted and impact people as a whole.

They’re not worried about the singular individual. The message is too big for that.

Imagine if Kurt Cobain loved Courtney Love more than his music?

Do you mean the more they produce on a significant level, the more of an asshole they can be personally?

I could agree more if most were contributing to society in meaningful ways but that is not the case.

Posted by shellshocker

Posted by DMV

I disagree and agree

Those signs are deeply impacted and impact people as a whole.

They’re not worried about the singular individual. The message is too big for that.

Imagine if Kurt Cobain loved Courtney Love more than his music?

Do you mean the more they produce on a significant level, the more of an asshole they can be personally?

I could agree more if most were contributing to society in meaningful ways but that is not the case.

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Yes. In a interesting kind of way, I would agree with that.

Posted by shellshocker

Sag - is constantly talking about money and the price of her purchases. Always mentioning her cousin is a Dr. Bitch I’ve known you both since primary school, I know already. That doesn’t make you a Dr too. A few weeks ago I told her I was getting my Covid shot and she tells me she’s jealous I’m getting it before her. Like angry jealous. Haven’t heard from her since.

Cap - During a zoom meeting, talks about how much his socks and underwear cost and how he’s hired a personal trainer that’s so expensive he’s embarrassed how much he’s spending. Many people in the meeting were temporarily out of work.

Those two instances sound like examples of how people without souls or spirits behave. They probably don't have personalities, either.

Empty vessel.

Posted by _elle_

Isn't it hard to compare?

They are all defined by the journey from Aries to Pisces.

It would be like comparing an infant (aries) to a senior citizen (pisces)

All the signs are at a different chapter of progression.

I've been thinking about this journey.

From Aries to Pisces.

Its like the journey from Birth to Death.

Aries being Birth. Pisces being Death.

And all the other signs in between are the pathway from one to the other.

Weirdly, my life began with an Aries man (rship, moving in together, buying a house, holidays every year, marriage, and kids).

But it ended, with a Pisces.

Divorce. Being a single mum. And the Pisces, after spending time pushing me to leave my husband, stayed with his partner.

And now I'm alone. With my previous life, gone.

Your post made me think of this..

Because we are the centre of the universe, that’s why 😛

I'm feeling UNIVERSAL

Posted by pooface222

Posted by _elle_

Isn't it hard to compare?

They are all defined by the journey from Aries to Pisces.

It would be like comparing an infant (aries) to a senior citizen (pisces)

All the signs are at a different chapter of progression.

I've been thinking about this journey.

From Aries to Pisces.

Its like the journey from Birth to Death.

Aries being Birth. Pisces being Death.

And all the other signs in between are the pathway from one to the other.

Weirdly, my life began with an Aries man (rship, moving in together, buying a house, holidays every year, marriage, and kids).

But it ended, with a Pisces.

Divorce. Being a single mum. And the Pisces, after spending time pushing me to leave my husband, stayed with his partner.

And now I'm alone. With my previous life, gone.

Your post made me think of this..

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How in the world did a Pisces get you to leave an Aries?

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Posted by xiongmao

Posted by Hamsthetics

What is Mao Zedong ideology? Right, marxism–leninism.

Mao and Stalin are just showing us of what would happened if an Universal sign adopted the way of thinking of Taurus men (Hitler, Marx, Pol Pot, Idi Amin and dozens others)

No, Maoism.

Three important features distinguished Mao's concept of revolution from other revolutionary theories in the tradition of Marxism-Leninism:

1) Mao's perception of revolution was characterized by a unique notion of permanentness in time and unlimitedness in space. In particular, Mao persistently emphasized the necessity of "continuing the revolution" after the CCP seized power in 1949. However, Mao's notion of permanent revolution was by no means a simple repetition or minor alteration of earlier formulations by Marx, Lenin, or Trotsky.

2) Mao's perception of revolution reflected the profoundly voluntaristic belief that human consciousness, rather than the material conditions of society, would determine the orientation of historical development.

3) The Maoist notion of revolution put greater emphasis on destruction than on construction.

https://www.encyclopedia.com/philosophy-and-religion/other-religious-beliefs-and-general-terms/miscellaneous-religion/maoism

Maoism, Kittenism both are just nationalized Taurus men's ideology with added on interests. There is no originality in violence and intolerance. They are products of selfishness which are common to be found among Aries and Taurus.

My advice to Personal signs is simple, please mind your own business and let other people live their life. But hey it's seems impossible since you guys doesn't like the idea of people owning and opening business 😉

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that combo's almost militant in its drive towards radical change but maybe not always for the better. quite destructive/purging. coz they're in that axis with Scorpio that plays on the whole creator/destroyer dynamic of the shiva/vishnu figures. unlike what conventional astrology would say, I feel like Scorpio is more the nurturing (or parental) side really.

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Many Scorpios faced their demons early in life and often coming out victorious. Coz you know, they are like the strongest sign ever.

lol

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Ikr.

There's plenty of toxic asf Scorpio assholes out there. They still have a lot of work to do.

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Posted by xiongmao

Posted by Hamsthetics

What is Mao Zedong ideology? Right, marxism–leninism.

Mao and Stalin are just showing us of what would happened if an Universal sign adopted the way of thinking of Taurus men (Hitler, Marx, Pol Pot, Idi Amin and dozens others)

No, Maoism.

Three important features distinguished Mao's concept of revolution from other revolutionary theories in the tradition of Marxism-Leninism:

1) Mao's perception of revolution was characterized by a unique notion of permanentness in time and unlimitedness in space. In particular, Mao persistently emphasized the necessity of "continuing the revolution" after the CCP seized power in 1949. However, Mao's notion of permanent revolution was by no means a simple repetition or minor alteration of earlier formulations by Marx, Lenin, or Trotsky.

2) Mao's perception of revolution reflected the profoundly voluntaristic belief that human consciousness, rather than the material conditions of society, would determine the orientation of historical development.

3) The Maoist notion of revolution put greater emphasis on destruction than on construction.

https://www.encyclopedia.com/philosophy-and-religion/other-religious-beliefs-and-general-terms/miscellaneous-religion/maoism

Maoism, Kittenism both are just nationalized Taurus men's ideology with added on interests. There is no originality in violence and intolerance. They are products of selfishness which are common to be found among Aries and Taurus.

My advice to Personal signs is simple, please mind your own business and let other people live their life. But hey it's seems impossible since you guys doesn't like the idea of people owning and opening business 😉

that combo's almost militant in its drive towards radical change but maybe not always for the better. quite destructive/purging. coz they're in that axis with Scorpio that plays on the whole creator/destroyer dynamic of the shiva/vishnu figures. unlike what conventional astrology would say, I feel like Scorpio is more the nurturing (or parental) side really.

Many Scorpios faced their demons early in life and often coming out victorious. Coz you know, they are like the strongest sign ever.

Meanwhile, many personal signs fall victims to become the slaves of their hatred for other group of people who they cannot feel related to. Hatred is the sources of their passion and they feel so powerless without it.

I wish they can use their good skills at writing for better instead of creating a 'bible' for the extremist like Das Kapital, Mein Kampf and another Book that should not be named.

The toxicity of their radical ideas is still visible til this day because there will always be weak people who want to feel powerful in instant way. Hatred.

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online here I've found intrusive are: taurus, gem, cancer and some aries placement but with this one not sun

you might not even interact with them nor have any topics remotely connected to then and you'll notice them very reactive

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Posted by virgoOPPP

Posted by Hamsthetics

Posted by xiongmao

Posted by Hamsthetics

What is Mao Zedong ideology? Right, marxism–leninism.

Mao and Stalin are just showing us of what would happened if an Universal sign adopted the way of thinking of Taurus men (Hitler, Marx, Pol Pot, Idi Amin and dozens others)

No, Maoism.

Three important features distinguished Mao's concept of revolution from other revolutionary theories in the tradition of Marxism-Leninism:

1) Mao's perception of revolution was characterized by a unique notion of permanentness in time and unlimitedness in space. In particular, Mao persistently emphasized the necessity of "continuing the revolution" after the CCP seized power in 1949. However, Mao's notion of permanent revolution was by no means a simple repetition or minor alteration of earlier formulations by Marx, Lenin, or Trotsky.

2) Mao's perception of revolution reflected the profoundly voluntaristic belief that human consciousness, rather than the material conditions of society, would determine the orientation of historical development.

3) The Maoist notion of revolution put greater emphasis on destruction than on construction.

https://www.encyclopedia.com/philosophy-and-religion/other-religious-beliefs-and-general-terms/miscellaneous-religion/maoism

Maoism, Kittenism both are just nationalized Taurus men's ideology with added on interests. There is no originality in violence and intolerance. They are products of selfishness which are common to be found among Aries and Taurus.

My advice to Personal signs is simple, please mind your own business and let other people live their life. But hey it's seems impossible since you guys doesn't like the idea of people owning and opening business 😉

that combo's almost militant in its drive towards radical change but maybe not always for the better. quite destructive/purging. coz they're in that axis with Scorpio that plays on the whole creator/destroyer dynamic of the shiva/vishnu figures. unlike what conventional astrology would say, I feel like Scorpio is more the nurturing (or parental) side really.

Bruh stop quoting yourself

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Lol kitten is not me

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Posted by Hamsthetics

Many Scorpios faced their demons early in life and often coming out victorious. Coz you know, they are like the strongest sign ever.

lol

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this one had me laughing too

I also disagree

Posted by Dastard2020

I'm feeling UNIVERSAL

This looks very selfish and impersonal! 😝

Does this mean social sign supremacy?

😁😁

I didn’t even know this was a thing. But this makes sense for a Sagittarius and how independent we are.

These signs have a detached, always-separating quality because their primary focus is not on a direct relationship with the earth or other people in their lives. Instead it's on experiencing themselves as separate from the earth and other people, which can give them a distant feeling. In their desire to pull away from the earthly world and other people, they focus on worldly ideas and ideals or even vague feelings.

The personal signs can take care of other people who like that sort of thing and the ones who want to be more independent can gravitate towards the universal signs.

There is something for everyone.

Posted by saggurl88

Posted by Dastard2020

I'm feeling UNIVERSAL

This looks very selfish and impersonal! 😝

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Girl, I'm selfish af. Being universal is only a side job.

Posted by Dastard2020

Posted by saggurl88

Posted by Dastard2020

I'm feeling UNIVERSAL

This looks very selfish and impersonal! 😝

Girl, I'm selfish af. Being universal is only a side job.

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I am too lol. 🤣🤣🤣 Someone has to look after the self! If not us, then who??!!!

I don’t have time to cater. I’m like the rabbit 🐇 in Alice in wonderland, running out of time.

“I’M LATE! I’M LATE!!!”

Posted by virgoOPPP

Does this mean social sign supremacy?

😁😁

The social signs are probably the most balanced when it comes to interpersonal relationships

Posted by saggurl88

I didn’t even know this was a thing. But this makes sense for a Sagittarius and how independent we are.

These signs have a detached, always-separating quality because their primary focus is not on a direct relationship with the earth or other people in their lives. Instead it's on experiencing themselves as separate from the earth and other people, which can give them a distant feeling. In their desire to pull away from the earthly world and other people, they focus on worldly ideas and ideals or even vague feelings.

My longest friendships are with universal signs. We seem to be drawn to similar things but our motivations and intent are vastly different.

I find the universals I know struggle in finding intimacy within their family dynamics with parents, siblings and children. Their views can be very by the book and researched. Or they try to carry out a certain ideal of what they think family should look like even if reality disagrees

Posted by shellshocker

Posted by saggurl88

I didn’t even know this was a thing. But this makes sense for a Sagittarius and how independent we are.

These signs have a detached, always-separating quality because their primary focus is not on a direct relationship with the earth or other people in their lives. Instead it's on experiencing themselves as separate from the earth and other people, which can give them a distant feeling. In their desire to pull away from the earthly world and other people, they focus on worldly ideas and ideals or even vague feelings.

My longest friendships are with universal signs. We seem to be drawn to similar things but our motivations and intent are vastly different.

I find the universals I know struggle in finding intimacy within their family dynamics with parents, siblings and children. Their views can be very by the book and researched. Or they try to carry out a certain ideal of what they think family should look like even if reality disagrees

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The struggling with intimacy part could just be a biased that you have because you don’t seem to like the universal sign style , so it could just be how you perceive things or how your family dynamics are.

Like with all compatible signs/people there is always someone else who understands the person and the dynamics of the relationship they are in.

What you prefer in a family/love/relationship for yourself, may not be what others prefer.

That’s a very broad blanket statement for the family dynamics of 4 different signs.

Not everyone wants to be in everyone’s business so personally. Again, it’s about independence and finding your way on your own, making your own path, and separation.

It’s not about hand holding, guiding or following the path placed in front of them for universal signs, this would be personal.

It could be seen as very selfish for the people they leave behind.

Posted by shellshocker

Posted by saggurl88

I didn’t even know this was a thing. But this makes sense for a Sagittarius and how independent we are.

These signs have a detached, always-separating quality because their primary focus is not on a direct relationship with the earth or other people in their lives. Instead it's on experiencing themselves as separate from the earth and other people, which can give them a distant feeling. In their desire to pull away from the earthly world and other people, they focus on worldly ideas and ideals or even vague feelings.

My longest friendships are with universal signs. We seem to be drawn to similar things but our motivations and intent are vastly different.

I find the universals I know struggle in finding intimacy within their family dynamics with parents, siblings and children. Their views can be very by the book and researched. Or they try to carry out a certain ideal of what they think family should look like even if reality disagrees

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my cap bf is pisces moon, aqua Venus and sagg Mars. and I've noticed that there's that lack of true intimacy in our connection. Universal signs seem like people who'd put more energy into friendships than romantic relationships. Like they fall in love with ideas and potentials but not actual people. They most likely tend to have' types' and by that I mean they can go for different versions of the same kind of person over and over. Likely to date the same zodiac sign repeatedly even. Does it objectify or elevate someone when they become ideas? I always wonder this whenever I'm unsatisfied in my relationship.

also, he told me he wants us to visit his family this December so his ex can finally see how happy and successful he is now. then he mentions he'd like to visit some college friends he hadn't seen in years. he knows too many people for my liking. and I have this suspicion that I'm part of this trophy parade.

I just wanna fall out of love with this guy.

that's my 2021 goal.

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Posted by shellshocker

Posted by saggurl88

I didn’t even know this was a thing. But this makes sense for a Sagittarius and how independent we are.

These signs have a detached, always-separating quality because their primary focus is not on a direct relationship with the earth or other people in their lives. Instead it's on experiencing themselves as separate from the earth and other people, which can give them a distant feeling. In their desire to pull away from the earthly world and other people, they focus on worldly ideas and ideals or even vague feelings.

My longest friendships are with universal signs. We seem to be drawn to similar things but our motivations and intent are vastly different.

I find the universals I know struggle in finding intimacy within their family dynamics with parents, siblings and children. Their views can be very by the book and researched. Or they try to carry out a certain ideal of what they think family should look like even if reality disagrees

The struggling with intimacy part could just be a biased that you have because you don’t seem to like the universal sign style , so it could just be how you perceive things or how your family dynamics are.

Like with all compatible signs/people there is always someone else who understands the person and the dynamics of the relationship they are in.

What you prefer in a family/love/relationship for yourself, may not be what others prefer.

That’s a very broad blanket statement for the family dynamics of 4 different signs.

Not everyone wants to be in everyone’s business so personally. Again, it’s about independence and finding your way on your own, making your own path, and separation.

It’s not about hand holding, guiding or following the path placed in front of them for universal signs, this would be personal.

It could be seen as very selfish for the people they leave behind.

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I like them very much. Probably why they are my longest friendships and why I married two of them. We learn a lot from each other.

My style is anecdotal and the ones I know appreciate how I tell a story through our discussions. They open up in a removed kind of way by telling tales of their adventures through life. Close personal relationships are a theme.

Idk why selfish is such a bad word. I wear that tittle with pride.

I will always put myself first.

101 of lifeguarding, look before leaping... you can't save someone by putting yourself in danger cause then your just 2 assholes drowning.

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Idk why selfish is such a bad word. I wear that tittle with pride.

I will always put myself first.

101 of lifeguarding, look before leaping... you can't save someone by putting yourself in danger cause then your just 2 assholes drowning.

Then why be a lifeguard at all?

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so you can get paid for yelling at people

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Posted by saggurl88

Posted by shellshocker

Posted by saggurl88

I didn’t even know this was a thing. But this makes sense for a Sagittarius and how independent we are.

These signs have a detached, always-separating quality because their primary focus is not on a direct relationship with the earth or other people in their lives. Instead it's on experiencing themselves as separate from the earth and other people, which can give them a distant feeling. In their desire to pull away from the earthly world and other people, they focus on worldly ideas and ideals or even vague feelings.

My longest friendships are with universal signs. We seem to be drawn to similar things but our motivations and intent are vastly different.

I find the universals I know struggle in finding intimacy within their family dynamics with parents, siblings and children. Their views can be very by the book and researched. Or they try to carry out a certain ideal of what they think family should look like even if reality disagrees

The struggling with intimacy part could just be a biased that you have because you don’t seem to like the universal sign style , so it could just be how you perceive things or how your family dynamics are.

Like with all compatible signs/people there is always someone else who understands the person and the dynamics of the relationship they are in.

What you prefer in a family/love/relationship for yourself, may not be what others prefer.

That’s a very broad blanket statement for the family dynamics of 4 different signs.

Not everyone wants to be in everyone’s business so personally. Again, it’s about independence and finding your way on your own, making your own path, and separation.

It’s not about hand holding, guiding or following the path placed in front of them for universal signs, this would be personal.

It could be seen as very selfish for the people they leave behind.

I like them very much. Probably why they are my longest friendships and why I married two of them. We learn a lot from each other.

My style is anecdotal and the ones I know appreciate how I tell a story through our discussions. They open up in a removed kind of way by telling tales of their adventures through life. Close personal relationships are a theme.

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As a Sagittarius, I am not selfish towards people that actually need help. But I am selfish towards the ones who can try to be codependent and want the world handed to them or to fall in their lap. They don't learn or grow from getting anything handed to them.

So for the ones who don't want to work for it and expect me to bend over backwards for them, I am the most selfish in the world, and I fine with them thinking like that.

I was married for 20 years to a personal sign, he didn't have an issue with how I did things. But we were pretty balanced. We separated because he stayed in the codependant stage and never grew into adulthood, he always acted like a child. I was tired of being the only adult in the relationship. My new relationships have different themes.

What worked for me as a teenager, isn't what I want as an adult. So now I am dating someone who is similar to me.

It’s interesting you used that terminology, my Sag bestie identifies as having codependency. Not in an insulting way but as in clinical codependency when a child is raised with an alcoholic and/or severely ill parent.

One of the main definitions is “an emotional and behavioural condition that affects the ability to have mutually satisfying relationships.”

She’s done a ton of research on the topic and completely opened my eyes to the true definition and meaning.