Bush

I wish bush would get off his soap box and listen to the people; we don't want war.

I agree. I do not think that 'war solves' anything...
War is a terrorist act in itself...just because 'war has been declared', it does mean that it is fair or that atrocities do not occur...
I do NOT want war...I remember Viet Nam too well..

Many times the soldiers do not want to do as they are commanded and they NEVER recover from submitting to performing atrocities on other human beings...

Didn't we learn that from Hitler that human life is precious and that they should not be treated inhumanely? (Yes, the lesson was presented in the negative form...but, why didn't this lesson make the impact on everyone that it did on me?)

Libragirl! We need a bigger voice? How do we get that?? (Seriously...I am not very 'politically smart'...)

I know what you mean about the 'bigger voice'. I am thinking i want to make it my mission to single handedly stop this war, i feel so strongly about it. I want to go to America and confront bush himself. What i am hoping will happen is that everybody will start waking up to the fact that human life is precious and that they haven't got any right to take that away from us. I really want people to 'wake up' and see the bigger picture. Whoever said an Iraqi life is no better than a Western life?

We had protests here over the weekend and i couldn't make it but i am committed to world peace. I have a quote by some guy called "Swamiji" or something. I don't follow these gurus as they are expensive to see and i don't believe you should have to pay for wisdom but he says:

"Peace begins in your own heart" and that we need to learn "tolerance, respect and understanding". I so believe this, especially the bit about tolerance etc... I really feel the next instalment of my life is being dedicated to raising awareness and taking action to stop conflicts such as these. If we all learned to love a little and accept others, we wouldn't have so many wars. We need to transcend the ego and raise our vibration here on earth because evil can not exist in 'light' or a higher frequency (vibrational rate). It is really quite interesting, there really is something in that saying, "rise above it"...

Cheers 🙂

You're not alone. The majority of the Australian public doesn't want war either and definetely doesn't want Howard to commit to anything. Recent polls indicate his popularity has dropped 81% It's about time the government started listening to their employers!!!

I'm so over him, i want him OUT.

Wait a minute, I'm stupid. Who's Howard? I'm antiwar too, and I agree with you and think Bush is an idiot that doesn't listen to the people either. I think he need a good hit on the head to get him thinking straight again... I wonder though... How can we stop terrorism? It scares me. I don't like the idea of being blown up, and though I agree that going to war with Iraq won't solve the problem, I don't think that doing nothing will either. I'm just confused and angry at the ineficiancy of it all. There's no good answer as far as I'm concerned, because it's impossible for the intire world to suddenly decide that they all love eachother and will get along together, as much as tolerance is preached, I don't think it's really possible. Look, even in highschool you get one group beating up another group over stupid petty differences, how is the whole world supposed be able to suddenly put aside its differences and get along after the entire history of mankind proves that opposite— I wish it could be done, I truly do, but I don't think it's a realistic solution. No matter what is done, someone is going to not like it and want to fight about it. Mankind is sickening.

bush is the anti-christ

"Mankind is sickening". You crack me up, you couldn't be closer to the truth.

Howard is the Australian Prime Minister. It's quite funny that you haven't even heard of him, that just proves the brown-nosing he is doing to America is not working with the American people. My argument is this. Australia has formed an alliance with America to no benefit of it's own. We, the Australian people, are not happy with this. If something happened to us, America would not come to our aid, just look at what happened in Bali; I don't recall bush doing anything about it, we had to do it all on our own. I don't care what America has done for us in the past, this is nuclear warfare we are talking about and our Prime Minister had no right putting us in the butter. The S11 attacks were directed at America only, not at us. New Zealand said 'no' to the States harbouring warships in it's waters, America crippled it's economy but 8 years later it's made a comback and not it doesn't need the States.

The thing that gets me is that these politicians stand up there like they are better than anyone else and yet they are prepared to commit murder. I believe bush is a very evil man and it's sad because he operates under the guise of God. He will live to regret these decisions but it will be too late.

Yes, Cj7, bush is the anti-christ. I can't even write his name in capital letters as i feel he does not deserve it.

Go Libragirl! Couldn't have said it better myself.

LOL

he could be the anti-christ

anybody know any roman numeral conversions for names... if it adds up to 666 its him. lol

what is GWB ' complete name anyway

Actually, it comes out to be 375, though if you add that up and reduce you get 6. LOL. Just out of plain curiosity, do you think that Australians tend not to like Americans in general? I've been told that by people who went there... It's really kind of scary to think that all these people I've never met in other countries hate my guts and hate my country. I have a freind who's Canadian, and there was always something that annoyed me about her, and I just realized what it was: she hates America. She doesn't think to highly of Americans either. Now, I love my country, which I think is really just quite normal being that I was born and raised here, and I feel really odd when I'm surround by people who hate something that I love. I disagree with a lot of things that stupid politicians in the government decide to do, but I really do love my country. It annoys me when I go to other countries and people don't like you because of some stereotype. Stereotypes are annoying and stupid, and they happen to everyone from all countries, and I think that makes everyone equally stupid, and not just one country or another, and once again mankind makes me sick. But anyway, Gwen and I wanted to go spend a summer traveling through Europe while we were in college, but it's scary because we came to the conclusion that because everyone hates Americans, we wouldn't be safe, or rather we'd be worse off than if we were say, Canadian. We had this plan to just soe Canadian flags onto our backpacks so everyone thought we were Canadian. This is no problem for Gwen, since she is almost Canadian, she has a lot of family from there and spends here summers there with her aunt. But it bothers me. I really hate having to hide who I am because of stupid foriegn policy.

It is sad that anyone would judge anyone because of the country they live in. I don't know, personally I find it insulting and I have to ignore it because if I don't, it will blow up into a huge thing 😢

Morgan, you should never have to hide who you are, but I do think it's unsafe to be in certain places and make it known you're American.

It really is sad, isn't it.

P.S. Morgan, this was excellently put:

"It annoys me when I go to other countries and people don't like you because of some stereotype. Stereotypes are annoying and stupid, and they happen to everyone from all countries, and I think that makes everyone equally stupid, and not just one country or another, and once again mankind makes me sick."

LOL, "unsafe". Yep, places like France.

No, i understand the stereotypes and judge people for who they are and not where they come from. The thing that is bothering me about America lately is the people in power, like bush and his cronies... and Oprah! I think she is an equal anti-christ to bush, lol! I also don't like Colin Powell, as he should know what it's like to come from a minority group and yet persists on supporting agressive action on a third world country. I thought he had more balls than that. It's quite sad because i thought, "isn't that great, an African American man has gotten into politics", etc... but now only feel sad that he has become part of the system.

I don't think everybody in Australia dislikes Americans. What i meant was, there is a large sentiment here that we should keep out of what is not our business and i feel that the problems that America has with the rest of the world have nothing to do with us. It is a really scarey thought that we have done nothing to anyone and may be prone to vicious attacks from other countries, purely because we have aligned with another country.

The other thing that worries me is that bush is making guys like you vulnerable with his unbalanced way of thinking. I really do fear for you and hope he is ousted in the next election.

The thing is that peace begins 'at home' and the good guys need to unite. We are not the bad guys, it is the politicians. If i met an Islamic or an American in the streets, i would want to create dialogue with them as i believe i am not alone in my thinking.

We need to find positive solutions to our problems, not tear each other apart. 🙂

I doubt he'll be reelected...

lol Libragirl: "If i met an Islamic or an American in the streets, i would want to create dialogue with them as i believe i am not alone in my thinking".

Well I'm glad you wouldn't turn and run screeming, this really gives me hope...

Lol also at Oprah being an antichrist, she's just a girl who happens to be the richest woman in america and knows how to bring in the bacon, and I say good for her.

And about Colin Powell, I hate it when people talk about him the way you do, as if he should think a certain way just because of the color of his skin. He made it this far, let him follow whatever platform he wants just like all the other politicians!!!

Oprah is the antichrist's husband.

Yeah, you're right about Colin. I think i had him up on a pedastol, another form of racism i didn't think i had. Interesting.

Oh yeah, and I don't see how coming from a minority group would have anything to do with taking or not taking aggressive actiona against third world nations, I suppose I just don't follow your logic.

Hhhmmm... Yes, I agree about the positive solutions part... But jeeze!!! It's so much more satisfying to tear eachother apart!!!

I don't know... The thing with Oprah is that we have the wonderful power of changing the channel... And really, I don't care, cause I don't have to watch her, and those who want to can.

Well, if you cared to read my post properly, you might realise (although common sense would dictate this) that being a third world country is almost like being a minority group on the world stage. Quite simple really.

Well, I did read your post, and I guess I didn't get the common sence part of this because I disagree with you. There's a very big difference: you can be a minority group in America, but you are still American, and America comes first. It's called patriotism.

Oh yeah, whether or not you can change the channel on Oprah does not change the fact that she exists. I suppose some of us want more than your simple-minded solutions Morganofmind.

Well, what a hypocritical nation, to treat it's minority groups (eg. the blacks, do i need to say anymore?) differently, yet say they exist all under the one banner. Doesn't make any sense to me, but anyway.

lol, you know, libragirl, it's compicated solutions that lead to war. Simpicity leads to easy organization, less strain, and a relaxed easy state of living, wich leads to happiness.

That's because you don't live here.

Anyway, I don't think I'm the best person to try and explain to you what I am trying to explain to you, as I'm bad at getting my point through sometimes especially when I'm emotionally atatched to the topic. Plus I still don't understand you full point of veiw, so you don't have to get pissed off.

And anyway, you call the United States hypocritical? From what I've heard, blacks have it even worse in Australia.

You're not telling me they don't have citizenship, are you—

Im not pissed off.

Yes, Australia does treat it's indigenous people like crap. I'm not being hypocritical, i think it's disgusting but then there is the problem that no matter what aid you offer them, they don't want to help themselves some of the time, so there's nothing we can do about it if they continue to do this. Our Prime Minister won't even apologise to them for us taking their land; yet another reason for me to despise him.

We call our Aborigines "Australian" too.

Lol, i am not that ignorant. I know all nationalities in America are citizens, please...!

Look, just to be clear about the Colin Powell thing. What i meant was that someone previously from what i call a 'minority group' should be able to have more sympathy for another 'minority group' such as a third world country (Iraq). It's kind of like, once you have been poor, you understand what it's like to have no money. That's for someone else reading this thread who might not understand what i was getting at.

Have a good day all.

Ok. Final statement. Here's my opinion:

1)All nations have their own personal problems, and they should keep them to themselves.

2)"Lol, i am not that ignorant. I know all nationalities in America are citizens, please...!" Libragirl, that's not what I ment, but whatever.

3)It is obvious that racism and stereotypes exist in most everyone about most everyone, and this is a stupid common fact and we should all get over ourselves.

4)Simple answers are sometimes the best.

6)It doesn't matter matter if you are a minority group or not, if your nation is threatened by another nation, regardless if it is a third world nation or not.

7)Bush is a stupid idiot who's bringing the US to war regardless of what the American people want and regardless of the rest of the worlds problems.

8)The world needs to invest in some soothing mood music.

OK, that's my opinions, if you don't like them, tough I don't really care, I'm not trying to change your opionions, so don't try and change mine.

Buenos noches everyone!!!

You're both wrong, in my opinion. America doesn't come first, morgan. Not to everyone. That sounds like the Vietnam thing-join the war and fight and die for one's country even though you're not treated as an equal. Oh and Busk is definately going to be re-elected to our mutual horror.

And Libragirl, just because a person is a minority doesn't mean they sympathize with another minority group. My uncle is jewish and has been put down all his life about it but he is racist. I can say the same thing about plenty of other people I know. I like this quote you said: "It's kind of like, once you have been poor, you understand what it's like to have no money. That's for someone else reading this thread who might not understand what i was getting at." I definately agree but a lot of people, once they get out of the cycle of poor, forget their roots and become like everyone else-blaming people for their own economic ineptitude. As far as I can see, there isn't a single nation that doesn't rot from the inside out of some sort of racism or sexism. Ours, I think, is more blatant to people who are outside looking in rather than to the average American who's used to it all their life.

Im not trying to change your opinions morgan because from what ive seen so far on the boards, you are more interested in 'clever' word play than anything else.

Gwendylyn, thanks for pointing out the 'minority' bit. I was basing my opinion on what I would personally do in his situation but when i thought about it later, i got the point. If you are an alcoholic, why should you always have to carry the banner "I am an ex-alcoholic" with you and make decisions (for the rest of your life) based on this? At some point you need to let it go... So now i see that a persons roots shouldn't necessarily determine how they make decisions.

I didn't realise i was being so 'kind of' racist. Here i was looking at this guy, thinking, "Gee, isn't it great that an African American man got into government in the States", when instead i should have been thinking, "ok, Colin Powell, i hope he does a great job"... i just couldn't help but be pleased that somebody from a 'minority group' had made it into a senior position, the same as i would be if a WOMAN did a similiar thing.

"That sounds like the Vietnam thing-join the war and fight and die for one's country even though you're not treated as an equal" that's not what I mean. I mean that if you had to chose a side, you are more likely to side with your own country.

I mean, I said nothing about agreeing with your own country, only knowing your country can get it right if they work on it. And I ment that all minorities weren't more likely to sympathize with third world countries in major disputes just because they're minorities, I think there's too many factors not considered.