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mm, ok. this is simply a correlational study. & they can never prove causation, only suggest that a relationship exists. it could be that people who already have some form of psychosis are more likely to use marijuana - perhaps as a coping mechanism. that's a total shot in the dark, but could be as valid a conclusion as marijuana contributing to psychosis.
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Posted by brobert
Posted by trifles light as air*
mm, ok. this is simply a correlational study. & they can never prove causation, only suggest that a relationship exists. it could be that people who already have some form of psychosis are more likely to use marijuana - perhaps as a coping mechanism. that's a total shot in the dark, but could be as valid a conclusion as marijuana contributing to psychosis.



As many people are not comprehending what wheelies is saying.

These are the 2 points she is making:

1. There is a connection between the use of marijuana use and the symptoms described in the article.
2. Article does not give in-depth information about the study; requires better sources.
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No, that's not what she said. Shes saying all this study proves is that there *may* be a connection between the two, and that there are too many other possible variables that could be attributed to this connection, so it is therefore not entirely valid.
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Posted by brobert
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"The article said previous studies had also identified an association between cannabis use and psychosis but there were concerns that research had not adequately accounted for confounding variables."


Exactly.


+1 on what Trifles added.



Sure let's deny everything with the connection.

Please base your reasoning on a more understanding on what areas of the brain MJ use effects. Don't use simple cough-outs.
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You swear you're so smart, when you're actually a pompous idiot.


I simply agreed with the part of the article about the study that says: "there were concerns that research had not adequately accounted for confounding variables."

When people conduct these types of studies, any smart person will question the study, as correlation studies are VERY hard to prove scientifically, for a number of reasons. The most obvious being the validity factor. How do you account for the many other variables that could affect the results? Another concern with these studies is what Jade mentioned...are the people who are conducting the study working for a group with an ulterior motive. In other words, is it in their best interest financially to make sure the results fit a certain agenda?

Only a fool would take these kinds of studies at face value.
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"You just rephrased my statement by adding the negative to it. However, that does not conclude the parts that are valid. Can you find me situations where marijuana use does not effect the brain in any circumstances>"


Where did I say marijuana does not effect the brain in any circumstance? lol


I said the validity of the study should be questioned.


Its one thing to say weed affects the brain. Its another to say it causes psychosis. This study failed to prove that absolutely.



You've always been on an anti marijuana rampage, which is why you have your head so far up your ass. You cant even comprehend (your favorite word) what people are saying because you're so emotionally invested in this. I would never trust you to conduct a study like this either, fwiw. You fail miserably at objectivity.
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Posted by brobert
Posted by MsPisces.

You swear you're so smart, when you're actually a pompous idiot.




Please leave out emotional outburst. I know you're a water sign, but please keep the discussion mature.

I simply agreed with the part of the article about the study that says: "there were concerns that research had not adequately accounted for confounding variables."



Oh of course, I'm not denying the fact (which is well known), that the sources are not all there and or are considered. I do agree that they have found a connection between the use of marijuana and brain abnormalities originating from early use of such substances.

When people conduct these types of studies, any smart person will question the study, as correlation studies are VERY hard to prove scientifically, for a number of reasons. The most obvious being the validity factor. How do you account for the many other variables that could affect the results? Another concern with these studies is what Jade mentioned...are the people who are conducting the study working for a group with an ulterior motive. In other words, is it in their best interest financially to make sure the results fit a certain agenda?



Oh of course, there are other variables to take into consideration. Now which ones of those are actually beneficial to the statement and ones that are not? Do you think there is a conspiracy going around where people want to abolish the use of marijuana and or make biased results to abolish such commercial use?

Oh of course, you're right. Based on the amount of money marijuana brings into the country, let alone all the gang wars, dysfunctional families, illegal groups warring over such materials, deaths caused by use, dysfunctional lives, etc are completely made up. There is absolutely no reason why we should inform our public that use of such compounds at an early age is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad.

Only a fool would take these kinds of studies at face value.



Which I am not. 🙂 Please leave out the childish insults. Keep it mature mate!
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In other words, you don't want to discuss the actual study. You'd rather go off
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Posted by jade_dragon
I can't wait until the long term (50+ years) effects of the extended use of SSRIs and their assorted compounds finally start emerging.


It will probably make the detrimental effects of weed look like a unicorn farting rainbows (thanks Bri).


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Domino is not interested in that because SSRIs are legal and 'help' people... because the doctors say so. Weed on the other hand, destroys communities and lives and serves absolutely no good purpose.
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I know two people who developed full blown schizophrenia symptoms as a result of marijuana. I understand the accepted view is that if someone is susceptible to developing schizophrenia, then this can definitely trigger it. Of course it's difficult to do a really good study because you don't know somone is susceptible until they develop it. Youd have to genetically test a large sample and then concentrate on people who carry the schizophrenia gene and concentrate on the ones who then smoke for years. Friends certainly linked one of the two people Ive mentioned directly to his first joint. His mental health deteriorated the longer he smoked. He had major hallucinations whenever he went near the stuff. Then he just went over the edge. A friend's cousin also took loads of drugs so I can't say it was linked directly to just marijuana, but fact is that drugs can send you on a one way ticket to a secure unit if you are susceptible. But they dont do that to everyone. I do know of other people who kind of went loopy in that they couldnt live in mainstream society and became very cynical, thinking they could read minds and lived in conspiracy theory land. Basically a form of paranoia. So you can pretend it's harmless but that's your choice. Turning it into part of your life style makes you go weird & unable to relate to reality.
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Posted by brobert

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I'm going off SSRIs because they don't understand what OCD actually is. They don't have enough knowledge of the subject to know what the source of error is. But thanks for making yourself look like an asshole. xD
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They don't really understand how ssris really work. It's like closing your eyes and throwing a dart at a dartboard and then having your fingers crossed that it will hit the target. It's dopamine they should be concentrating on.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18167420
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Posted by cappy~go~luckytoo
I know two people who developed full blown schizophrenia symptoms as a result of marijuana. I understand the accepted view is that if someone is susceptible to developing schizophrenia, then this can definitely trigger it. Of course it's difficult to do a really good study because you don't know somone is susceptible until they develop it. Youd have to genetically test a large sample and then concentrate on people who carry the schizophrenia gene and concentrate on the ones who then smoke for years. Friends certainly linked one of the two people Ive mentioned directly to his first joint. His mental health deteriorated the longer he smoked. He had major hallucinations whenever he went near the stuff. Then he just went over the edge. A friend's cousin also took loads of drugs so I can't say it was linked directly to just marijuana, but fact is that drugs can send you on a one way ticket to a secure unit if you are susceptible. But they dont do that to everyone. I do know of other people who kind of went loopy in that they couldnt live in mainstream society and became very cynical, thinking they could read minds and lived in conspiracy theory land. Basically a form of paranoia. So you can pretend it's harmless but that's your choice. Turning it into part of your life style makes you go weird & unable to relate to reality.



this is complete BS. on one hand, you're not blaming it on weed but in your opening statement you did just that. to blame an illness that is as complex as schizophrenia and connect it to weed is just...stupid. maybe his hallucinations had nothing to do with the green plant and everything to do with the fact that he's SCHIZOPHRENIC!
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this is complete BS. on one hand, you're not blaming it on weed but in your opening statement you did just that. to blame an illness that is as complex as schizophrenia and connect it to weed is just...stupid. maybe his hallucinations had nothing to do with the green plant and everything to do with the fact that he's SCHIZOPHRENIC!



You've misinterpreted : I am blaming it on weed. But it's not me that made the connection but their doctors. Weed triggers it in those with an UNDERLYING risk of developing schizophrenia when the genetic environment is there. But according to studies this is also linked to the age at which cannabis or other drugs are used. When they are used too early in life during brain development then the risk increases because it can change the physiology of the brain during a crucial time. So using drugs during early adolescence may be a bigger risk than using them say in your twenties. I know one of the guys who I mentioned developed psychosis right after smoking his first joint. He was fine before & went totally nuts after. We don't know how many people have an underlying risk of developing the illness but they say that if you have a family history of mental illness then you should avoid drugs during adolescence. It can act as a trigger factor in those at risk.