Shanesha Taylor

Does she deserve jail time/have her children taken or do you think she deserves a 2nd chance?

This story is heartbreaking to me. Here is a mother facing possible jail time for leaving her two very young children in the car by themselves while she goes for a job interview. She claims that she didn't find a sitter, she's on welfare, so I don't know if she couldn't afford one or just couldn't find one in time for the interview. She could have rescheduled the interview, but maybe she was too desperate to chance even that. I feel for her because at least she's trying to better her life by looking for a job, so she could provide for her kids. She made a bad decision but I also understand desperation. IDK which side to choose here. Sad story.

Yeah, I guess we will see what the courts decide. I hope they don't take away her kids, though.

i have no pity. people on welfare can buy Iphones and Jordans. i'd curse her out and called the cops on her.

bad judgement.

Posted by DMV
i have no pity. people on welfare can buy Iphones and Jordans. i'd curse her out and called the cops on her.

bad judgement.

LOL! Maybe it happened on the broke half of the month. Even working people get broke towards the end of the month. When do people get their welfare cheques over there? I don't see why she wouldn't spare a few bucks if she had it & risk having her kids taken away

Posted by WaterCup
Does she deserve jail time/have her children taken or do you think she deserves a 2nd chance?

This story is heartbreaking to me. Here is a mother facing possible jail time for leaving her two very young children in the car by themselves while she goes for a job interview. She claims that she didn't find a sitter, she's on welfare, so I don't know if she couldn't afford one or just couldn't find one in time for the interview. She could have rescheduled the interview, but maybe she was too desperate to chance even that. I feel for her because at least she's trying to better her life by looking for a job, so she could provide for her kids. She made a bad decision but I also understand desperation. IDK which side to choose here. Sad story.

And if the children had died because of the heat or had been kidnapped because she left the keys in the car then what? Given a second chance to make a stupid decision? No.

I understand that she couldn't find a babysitter. Okay, so let's say she got the job and there is another time when she can't find a babysitter? What will she do then? She got caught this time, but if she hadn't I doubt she wouldn't do it again when she has "no other choice". Sorry, but no.

The situation sucks, but she risked her children's lives because there was a chance she might get a job. Even if it were a sure thing, no job is worth the risk and there needs to be consequences for her decision.

And these people raising over $ 91,000 for her court cost?......Un huh...I'm gonna leave that alone.

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Posted by WaterCup
Does she deserve jail time/have her children taken or do you think she deserves a 2nd chance?

This story is heartbreaking to me. Here is a mother facing possible jail time for leaving her two very young children in the car by themselves while she goes for a job interview. She claims that she didn't find a sitter, she's on welfare, so I don't know if she couldn't afford one or just couldn't find one in time for the interview. She could have rescheduled the interview, but maybe she was too desperate to chance even that. I feel for her because at least she's trying to better her life by looking for a job, so she could provide for her kids. She made a bad decision but I also understand desperation. IDK which side to choose here. Sad story.

And if the children had died because of the heat or had been kidnapped because she left the keys in the car then what? Given a second chance to make a stupid decision? No.

I understand that she couldn't find a babysitter. Okay, so let's say she got the job and there is another time when she can't find a babysitter? What will she do then? She got caught this time, but if she hadn't I doubt she wouldn't do it again when she has "no other choice". Sorry, but no.

The situation sucks, but she risked her children's lives because there was a chance she might get a job. Even if it were a sure thing, no job is worth the risk and there needs to be consequences for her decision.

And these people raising over $ 91,000 for her court cost?......Un huh...I'm gonna leave that alone.

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But that's a different scenario if she works, she could then afford daycare. At the time she did this she had no real income, was obviously desperate by the course of her actions, so she deserves pity imo. The children could have died, yes, but thankfully they didn't. Plus, it's not like she left them at home by themselves, she took them with her. Her only mistake is not explaining her situation to the interviewer/company. I'm sure it wouldnt have been a bit issue but some employers are fussy about cases where people bring their personal issues into the work place, so she probably had that in mind. Who knows?

^ In the US, it's nearly impossible to get anyone to hire you if you have young children. Employers see it as baggage and further expenses.

**if they KNOW you have young children

Posted by munchkin
^ In the US, it's nearly impossible to get anyone to hire you if you have young children. Employers see it as baggage and further expenses.

That's probably why she did what she did.

Posted by WaterCup


But that's a different scenario if she works, she could then afford daycare. But that's a different scenario if she works, she could then afford daycare. At the time she did this she had no real income, was obviously desperate by the course of her actions...

You're assuming she didn't have a babysitter because she couldn't afford one. I didn't see that reported anywhere. Low income doesn't mean she couldn't afford one for a few hours. I??ve witnessed some incredibly creative people stretch their funds when it really mattered. She could afford gas for the car and blast the A/C right? How about you use some of that money for a babysitter and use the bus instead to go to the interview? Her weave looks pretty tight in her mug shot, so clearly she could afford to pay for something that matters to her.

Also, payment for services does not always need to be in the form of money. Offer to babysit for your neighbour??s kids as payment. My girlfriend was skilled at doing hair when we were growing up and would do that in exchange for babysitting services. Mind you, I don't know what her skill set is, but there were other options than simply throwing up your hands and saying "no babysitter, oh well I'll just leave my kids in the car" like they are shopping bags. She had options.

Okay, so let's say it was about money and she could not afford a babysitter. Again, what happens when/if she gets the job? I don't know too many places that pay you prior to working, so she wouldn't be getting a cheque until payday. That leaves "x" amount of days with no pay, still unable to afford a babysitter....So her option would be what? Either get really creative and figure out a way to have someone watch her children or continue to leave them in the car. If she can be creative after the fact to make it work, she could have been creative before the fact to avoid harm.

Posted by WaterCup

...she deserves pity imo. The children could have died, yes, but thankfully they didn't.

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Yes thankfully, this time. However, I learned a long time ago prevention is better than a cure. You need to think about your actions because they can have awful consequences.

Posted by WaterCup

Plus, it's not like she left them at home by themselves, she took them with her. Her only mistake is not explaining her situation to the interviewer/company. I'm sure it wouldnt have been a bit issue but some employers are fussy about cases where people bring their personal issues into the work place, so she probably had that in mind.

Not her only mistake, but I see where you're going with that point. It looks like all around she is a woman that doesn't think in all honesty.

I like your avi btw WC. Cute cut.

Yes I'm assuming because we don't know why she couldnt find a sitter & not having money to offer could be one of the many possibilities why things ended up the way they did. No sane person would risk going to jail if they had other safe options hence I believe she probably had no money or doesn't have caring people in her life because what she did is too extreme to be a "whatever" kind of decision. We don't know her life story & why she was left with only one option. Plus govt "free" money is usually just enough to pay for neccesities & not for emergency/unexpected expenses. As for money gas for her car, maybe it's on her budget. I know people who fill their cars once a month because they don't get to use it as much as someone that has places to go on a daily basis. Weaves, they are re-usable. Could have been a old weave that she washed & style d to look presentable for the potential employer. Just because someone is broke doesnt mean that they should look the part & be nasty. Some don't even need someone else to saw/glue it on, they do it themselves to avoid paying someone for something they can do themselves.

My point is, there's a reason why this woman went to extremes. If it's not money related then it could be her not having a support system from the people in her daily life.

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Plus, it's not like she left them at home by themselves, she took them with her. Her only mistake is not explaining her situation to the interviewer/company. I'm sure it wouldnt have been a bit issue but some employers are fussy about cases where people bring their personal issues into the work place, so she probably had that in mind.

Not her only mistake, but I see where you're going with that point. It looks like all around she is a woman that doesn't think in all honesty.

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She could have been going through some personal crises, it does weird things to one's thought process *shrugs*

Posted by PhoenixRising
I like your avi btw WC. Cute cut.

😄 Thanks

idk guys, if she would have told her interviewer that, they woulda checked out on her.

^ wow...

I'm sorry, but she is NOT fit to take care of children. I don't think it'd be fair for her to get charged with crimes, because she did it out of desperation and if she incurs a criminal record, she'll never be able to get a job. She'll always be a welfare recipient.

But to make sure her kids are not in danger due to her poor judgement and her destitute circumstances, the kids need to be removed from her custody.

Maybe without having to worry about supporting two kids, she can get a job, get her life together, and hopefully be eligible to regain custody one day.

Posted by WaterCup
Plus govt "free" money is usually just enough to pay for necessities & not for emergency/unexpected expenses.

This I know, which would include money for gas no? Yet, she manage to find a way to gas up a SUV. So again, she clearly is able to find a way to pay for things that she deems necessary.

Posted by WaterCup
As for money gas for her car, maybe it's on her budget. I know people who fill their cars once a month

Okay, I can accept that. Here's my problem with that argument. If she is handing out resumes she knows darn well she would potentially be getting an interview, no? So why not plan for that? Why not set up potential babysitters (e.g. negotiate rates, see who may be available) and budget for travelling? Like I suggested a bus pass or buying tickets as you need them is much less then gas. That money that she saves could have been used to pay for a baby sitter for a few hours. Even if she needs the car to go grocery shopping, that could be planned around as well to reduce excessive travel and gas.

Posted by WaterCup

My point is, there's a reason why this woman went to extremes. If it's not money related then it could be her not having a support system from the people in her daily life.

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I'm understanding your point quite well and I agree with some of what you're saying. However regardless of her reason (lack of support or money), she clearly is not able to set priorities or make responsible decisions as a parent.

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Posted by WaterCup
Plus govt "free" money is usually just enough to pay for necessities & not for emergency/unexpected expenses.

This I know, which would include money for gas no? Yet, she manage to find a way to gas up a SUV. So again, she clearly is able to find a way to pay for things that she deems necessary.

Posted by WaterCup
As for money gas for her car, maybe it's on her budget. I know people who fill their cars once a month

Okay, I can accept that. Here's my problem with that argument. If she is handing out resumes she knows darn well she would potentially be getting an interview, no? So why not plan for that? Why not set up potential babysitters (e.g. negotiate rates, see who may be available) and budget for travelling? Like I suggested a bus pass or buying tickets as you need them is much less then gas. That money that she saves could have been used to pay for a baby sitter for a few hours. Even if she needs the car to go grocery shopping, that could be planned around as well to reduce excessive travel and gas.

Posted by WaterCup

My point is, there's a reason why this woman went to extremes. If it's not money related then it could be her not having a support system from the people in her daily life.

I'm understanding your point quite well and I agree with some of what you're saying. However regardless of her reason (lack of support or money), she clearly is not able to set priorities or make responsible decisions as a parent.

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Great points, but any person that has been jobless knows that you don't always get called for interviews, so you can't really plan for something that may or may not happen while there are other bills to pay. Maybe the call for the interview caught her off guard & was now left with no other option but to take them with her. Forgetting to switch on the AC, removing the baby's clothes etc could all be related to nervousness. I'm sure she didn't mean to toast them up lol. Tell me, who makes wonderful decisions under tremendous amount stress? Some even prostitute themselves to ease financial burden. She only left her k

-left her kids probably thinking it'll take a good 5 minutes or so...enough time for her babies to still be safe from the heat & psychos. But it ended up taking an hour. Makes me wonder how she acted during the interview as the minutes ticked away, knowing she had left her kids by themselves. She must have been a nervous wreck.

I get it's not super hot yet but Vegas and AZ are already in the 80's this video says it all....she should have rescheduled.

it's also not even about being in a warm or hot car. You do not leave small children unattended, ever.

Posted by justagirl
I get it's not super hot yet but Vegas and AZ are already in the 80's this video says it all....she should have rescheduled.

and lose out to competition? The job market is very competitive & there are many applicants after 1 position. You snooze, you lose. Rescheduling means them looking at other prospects & them thinking "oh she's really not serious".

SizeZero says the mother is homeless, I've been in that situation before & it's not a fun experience. You become desperate. I lived in a shelter for close to 3 mnths & I cried every night because being homeless was unbelievable after being born/raised with a roof over my head. I walked hours seeking for ANY kind of job, even came very close to stripping lol. The girls I knew were doing it to pay for college & I saw how much they made shaking arse. Thankfully I got a waitressing job before doing all that desperate stuff. Homelessness is not fun at all when you arent a crackhead.

what happens if NEXT time one of her kids dies? I guess I'm tainted because every year we have kids die in cars from minutes being left in them. I get this was for a potential job, but the fact that a human life was a risk that I have a hard time with.

I myself have never been in the above situation, I don't know what I would do other than I wouldn't risk my kids lives. do I think she should lose them, no, but something needs to be done and if she is homeless that may be a factor into why she lost them.

Posted by justagirl
what happens if NEXT time one of her kids dies? I guess I'm tainted because every year we have kids die in cars from minutes being left in them. I get this was for a potential job, but the fact that a human life was a risk that I have a hard time with.

I myself have never been in the above situation, I don't know what I would do other than I wouldn't risk my kids lives. do I think she should lose them, no, but something needs to be done and if she is homeless that may be a factor into why she lost them.

If she risks it again then she's unfit. You can only make a bad decision once. No need to make it a habit. I'm behind her 100% because I understand, so until someone close to her comes forward & say this is a habit of hers to leave those kids unattended...I'm giving her the benefit of doubt. People who grew up having their basic needs met will never get what pushes others to make certain (bad) decisions. It's the circumnstances.

I agree with you Watercup and PHV. I grew up in in very good circumstances and have never been without. I have compassion.

I can imagine my head being real bad, if I were homeless. What was that Will Smith movie where he was homeless "The Pursuit of Happiness." instead of imagining what she could have done better and looking for that evidence; I imagine how a system of events and plans get all fucked in the course of a single day.

The children's #1 concern I mommy. Have mercy, they survived.

My mother left me in the car and I was kidnapped by a woman who had lost her children in a car accident. Thank God she was just hugging and holding me behind the grocery store.

The children's #1 concern is mommy.

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Posted by justagirl
what happens if NEXT time one of her kids dies? I guess I'm tainted because every year we have kids die in cars from minutes being left in them. I get this was for a potential job, but the fact that a human life was a risk that I have a hard time with.

I myself have never been in the above situation, I don't know what I would do other than I wouldn't risk my kids lives. do I think she should lose them, no, but something needs to be done and if she is homeless that may be a factor into why she lost them.

If she risks it again then she's unfit. You can only make a bad decision once. No need to make it a habit. I'm behind her 100% because I understand, so until someone close to her comes forward & say this is a habit of hers to leave those kids unattended...I'm giving her the benefit of doubt. People who grew up having their basic needs met will never get what pushes others to make certain (bad) decisions. It's the circumnstances.

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It's not just that she left them in the car...but that she was foolish about it.

The kids were wearing TWO layers, wrapped in a blanket, no air conditioning...and this is in Arizona, where it's over 90??F during the day...OUTSIDE.

If she had at least had the sense to not needlessly compound the risk of leaving her kids in the car, I would agree and say let this slide. Desperate times call for desperate measures. I get that. But it wasn't desperation that made her dress her kids like Eskimos to cook in the desert heat trapped inside a boiling car - it was sheer idiocy.

It's concerning that someone so lacking in common sense is the one caring for two babies.

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Posted by justagirl
what happens if NEXT time one of her kids dies? I guess I'm tainted because every year we have kids die in cars from minutes being left in them. I get this was for a potential job, but the fact that a human life was a risk that I have a hard time with.

I myself have never been in the above situation, I don't know what I would do other than I wouldn't risk my kids lives. do I think she should lose them, no, but something needs to be done and if she is homeless that may be a factor into why she lost them.

If she risks it again then she's unfit. You can only make a bad decision once. No need to make it a habit. I'm behind her 100% because I understand, so until someone close to her comes forward & say this is a habit of hers to leave those kids unattended...I'm giving her the benefit of doubt. People who grew up having their basic needs met will never get what pushes others to make certain (bad) decisions. It's the circumnstances.

It's not just that she left them in the car...but that she was foolish about it.

The kids were wearing TWO layers, wrapped in a blanket, no air conditioning...and this is in Arizona, where it's over 90??F during the day...OUTSIDE.

If she had at least had the sense to not needlessly compound the risk of leaving her kids in the car, I would agree and say let this slide. Desperate times call for desperate measures. I get that. But it wasn't desperation that made her dress her kids like Eskimos to cook in the desert heat trapped inside a boiling car - it was sheer idiocy.

It's concerning that someone so lacking in common sense is the one caring for two babies.

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Ok, what would you have done differently in her situation?

I don't see why it matters so much what the kid was wearing. I grew up hearing that babies' bodies don't work like a adult's. Meaning, if the weather is "just right" for an adult to be dressed in a tank top, that's supposedly not the case with babies...they get cold easily. IDK how true this is, it could simply be old wives' tale. But when I had my son I followed every detail my aunt told me, as well as everything the nanny I hired did because I had no experienc

with kids. 2 layers of clothing for a baby is not unheard of & so is the blanket. Babies have blankets wherever they go & since these people were homeless, so yes, the baby blanket is going to be nearby. In this case, in the car. It's really not that hard to add up the sum in this case. She left, so the blanket actet as protection for the baby not to roll over & fall or it simply protected it from the hard seat. Plenty of real criminals out there like the Anthony girl & many others who murdered their own children when shit got too hard to handle. If Casey got away with actual murder, why shouldnt this one be pardoned for something that didnt even happen. It's only what ifs & morbid imaginations. It didnt happen. Nobody died. So instead of wasting more money sending this poor woman in jail, why dont you waste less & help her find a job so she can resume her responsibility as a mother to her kids. Doesnt the state have them at the moment? Doesnt that mean more money spent? I know how you guys love the money & always have something to say about welfare mooches 😄

Posted by VenusAquarius
I agree with you Watercup and PHV. I grew up in in very good circumstances and have never been without. I have compassion.

I can imagine my head being real bad, if I were homeless. What was that Will Smith movie where he was homeless "The Pursuit of Happiness." instead of imagining what she could have done better and looking for that evidence; I imagine how a system of events and plans get all fucked in the course of a single day.

The children's #1 concern I mommy. Have mercy, they survived.

My mother left me in the car and I was kidnapped by a woman who had lost her children in a car accident. Thank God she was just hugging and holding me behind the grocery store.

That's right! Lol @ the creepy lady. That's scary.

That was the saddest mugshot I've ever seen

I hope she doesn't get screwed out of that money people are sending her

After she gets out of jail, hopefully she can use it to get back on her feet again.

Posted by Wynter
That was the saddest mugshot I've ever seen

I hope she doesn't get screwed out of that money people are sending her

After she gets out of jail, hopefully she can use it to get back on her feet again.

I hope so too. I wonder where the father(s) is/are. He should be the one in jail for not helping out. Couldnt he watch them just for an hour? Some men disgust me.

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Posted by Wynter
That was the saddest mugshot I've ever seen

I hope she doesn't get screwed out of that money people are sending her

After she gets out of jail, hopefully she can use it to get back on her feet again.

I hope so too. I wonder where the father(s) is/are. He should be the one in jail for not helping out. Couldnt he watch them just for an hour? Some men disgust me.

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Now that she's rich I'm sure one of them will show up :/

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Posted by Wynter
That was the saddest mugshot I've ever seen

I hope she doesn't get screwed out of that money people are sending her

After she gets out of jail, hopefully she can use it to get back on her feet again.

I hope so too. I wonder where the father(s) is/are. He should be the one in jail for not helping out. Couldnt he watch them just for an hour? Some men disgust me.

Now that she's rich I'm sure one of them will show up :/

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hahaha. He could be in jail & she'll pay his bail. I hope she's not that dumb, though. Let him rot in there for being a useless turd.

Temp was in the 80's and the car exceeded 100 degrees


SCOTTSDALE, Ariz. -- A Phoenix mother was arrested Thursday after allegedly leaving her two young sons in a hot car while she interviewed for a job.

Shanesha Shaine Taylor, 35, faces two counts of child abuse, a class four felony.

Scottsdale police received a call about 12:30 p.m. from a woman who heard a child crying inside an SUV in an office complex parking lot near the Loop 101 and Shea Boulevard.

Scottsdale police officers and firefighters found two boys, a 6-month-old and 2-year-old, buckled in car seats inside a parked SUV.

According to court documents, the temperature outside was about 82 degrees and the temperature inside the car exceeded 100 degrees.

It is estimated the children were in the vehicle for at least 30 minutes.

The 6-month-old was wearing two T-shirts, one of which had long sleeves, and was covered with a blanket, according to court paperwork. He was crying hysterically.

Police said all four windows of the SUV had been rolled down about 1 inch.

Court documents say that officers entered the car through the unlocked driver's door and found the keys in the ignition. The engine was not running but the blower motor was pumping hot air into the SUV.

The children were transported to Scottsdsale Healthcare Shea Medical Center, and doctors determined they had no medical issues from the incident, according to court paperwork.

Taylor was arrested after returning to the car, which was about 45 minutes after police were called.

She reportedly told officers she did not have a baby sitter for her children and was hoping they would sleep during her interview since it was their nap time.

Child Protective Services took custody of the children.

Taylor's preliminary hearing is scheduled for March 31.
http://www.azfamily.com/news/Police-Mother-left-infant-toddler-in-hot-car-during-job-interview-251571521.html

If she slides on this...it sends a message that it's ok to leave children and pets in a car to get a job even if the car reaches 100 degrees.

Nope..you exhaust all efforts to protect children as a parent, and at the very least she should have taken the children into the interview with her. NO EXCUSES..AT ALL.

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It is estimated the children were in the vehicle for at least 30 minutes.

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The engine was not running but the blower motor was pumping hot air into the SUV.

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Taylor was arrested after returning to the car, which was about 45 minutes after police were called.

http://www.azfamily.com/news/Police-Mother-left-infant-toddler-in-hot-car-during-job-interview-251571521.html

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That's an hour and fifteen minutes they would have been in the SUV unattended. It takes the average adult only 30-40 minutes to show signs of heatstroke. She's very lucky the police were called. I'm just not the type of person that believes in relying on "luck" when it concerns people's lives.

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Great points, but any person that has been jobless knows that you don't always get called for interviews, so you can't really plan for something that may or may not happen while there are other bills to pay. Maybe the call for the interview caught her off guard & was now left with no other option but to take them with her. Forgetting to switch on the AC, removing the baby's clothes etc could all be related to nervousness. I'm sure she didn't mean to toast them up lol. Tell me, who makes wonderful decisions under tremendous amount stress? Some even prostitute themselves to ease financial burden.

Quoted the wrong section. Lol @ toast them up. Valid points regarding the nervousness, however:

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She only left her kids probably thinking it'll take a good 5 minutes or so...enough time for her babies to still be safe from the heat & psychos. But it ended up taking an hour.

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What interview takes only 5 minutes, especially for an insurance company? So you're trying to tell me a grown ass old woman at the age of 35 thinks an interview only takes 5 minutes and worse, that 5 minutes is not enough time to snatch a child? Nawwwww........I don't care how long she's been out of work, I'm sure she has had enough interviews to know that isn't true. Hell, my first job as a teenager took an hour and that was for a fast food company. Either way, you're still proving my point. She is not making good decisions as a parent. She need's support/classes and some penalty beyond a simple "you are a victim of your circumstances".

I can't believe this thread was made with intentions of not only defending a child abuser, also to make excuses for her.

the OP even made the implication that the competitiveness of the potential job was a feasible excuse


I hope she doesn't have children of her own, because if she'd condone this ... then she'd do this.

Posted by P-Angel

I can't believe this thread was made with intentions of not only defending a child abuser, also to make excuses for her.

These are people that live in our world, and quite frankly it should be extremely alarming to those who would NEVER do something like this to children. Also...there's a misinterpretation that the donations pouring in are in defense of the mother. It's not ....it's so SHE NEVER DOES SOMETHING LIKE THIS AGAIN, and to GET A BABY SITTER.

Posted by WaterCup

I hope so too. I wonder where the father(s) is/are. He should be the one in jail for not helping out. Couldnt he watch them just for an hour? Some men disgust me.

—? Who was in control & responsible of the kids well being at the time this took place?

Let's sum this up according to the responses here.

KILL YOUR KIDS TO GET A JOB (and in many documented cases to get a boyfriend) No difference there.

The justice system has been sending "messages" for a long time now & I think all criminals have it memorised by now too. However, I just don't see why this case in particular should be treated any different when people who've intentionally harmed their own children walked away scott-free. What message do you think the case about the dad who raped his own infant son said to masses? That it's ok to rape a child, just make sure to own a fat bank account before tugging at that zipper & pulling down those pants? I think it's unfair that the poor are so harshly judged & punished while the Richie Riches of the world can do whatever the heck they want & it's alright.

When a poor man bleeds from the head nobody cares, but when a rich man sweats everybody worries. It's fucked up that people are making such a big deal about this woman when there are some rotten offenders out there who don't deserve to be walking free.

Posted by WaterCup

He should be the one in jail for not helping out. Couldnt he watch them just for an hour? Some men disgust me.

Posted by WaterCup

Let him rot in there for being a useless turd.

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She has been talking like this for quite some time, and I seem to be the only person who notices how bad of a person she is.

If a person reads her posting history ... they'd be literally astounded at how awful of person she is.

Posted by WaterCup

It's fucked up that people are making such a big deal about this .....

I mean seriously here .... she talks like this all the time.

Posted by WaterCup


When a poor man bleeds from the head nobody cares, but when a rich man sweats everybody worries. It's fucked up that people are making such a big deal about this woman when there are some rotten offenders out there who don't deserve to be walking free.

I fully agree with this statement. However, the topic at hand is this woman because you raised it. I had no knowledge of her case until I read your thread. I am not suggesting one issue is less to more important. Simply answering the question presented in the OP.

If the OP asked what we thought about her crime in relation to other child abuse crimes, you would get a different response.

Posted by PhoenixRising

Posted by WaterCup


Great points, but any person that has been jobless knows that you don't always get called for interviews, so you can't really plan for something that may or may not happen while there are other bills to pay. Maybe the call for the interview caught her off guard & was now left with no other option but to take them with her. Forgetting to switch on the AC, removing the baby's clothes etc could all be related to nervousness. I'm sure she didn't mean to toast them up lol. Tell me, who makes wonderful decisions under tremendous amount stress? Some even prostitute themselves to ease financial burden.

Quoted the wrong section. Lol @ toast them up. Valid points regarding the nervousness, however:

Posted by WaterCup

She only left her kids probably thinking it'll take a good 5 minutes or so...enough time for her babies to still be safe from the heat & psychos. But it ended up taking an hour.

What interview takes only 5 minutes, especially for an insurance company? So you're trying to tell me a grown ass old woman at the age of 35 thinks an interview only takes 5 minutes and worse, that 5 minutes is not enough time to snatch a child? Nawwwww........I don't care how long she's been out of work, I'm sure she has had enough interviews to know that isn't true. Hell, my first job as a teenager took an hour and that was for a fast food company. Either way, you're still proving my point. She is not making good decisions as a parent. She need's support/classes and some penalty beyond a simple "you are a victim of your circumstances".

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I worked at a food place myself & the interview was very short. I didn't look at my watch at the time but I'm sure it lasted for 10-15 minutes. We don't know what position she applied for. It could have been for a tealady post for all we know lol. Anyways, I don't what was on her mind at the time she made all those bad decisions but I think it's important to look at her situation...her homelessness with two kids in tow & try to put ourselves in her shoes. Its easy to judge until you walk a mile in somebody's shoes.

I'm not running, be back later...something came up.

^^^And to be clear, I understand what it means to have to live on a very limited budget. I believe that point was made somewhere in the thread. I can understand to an extent why she made the choices she made, but it doesn't mean I condone it.

Posted by WaterCup
The justice system has been sending "messages" for a long time now & I think all criminals have it memorised by now too. However, I just don't see why this case in particular should be treated any different when people who've intentionally harmed their own children walked away scott-free. What message do you think the case about the dad who raped his own infant son said to masses? That it's ok to rape a child, just make sure to own a fat bank account before tugging at that zipper & pulling down those pants? I think it's unfair that the poor are so harshly judged & punished while the Richie Riches of the world can do whatever the heck they want & it's alright.

When a poor man bleeds from the head nobody cares, but when a rich man sweats everybody worries. It's fucked up that people are making such a big deal about this woman when there are some rotten offenders out there who don't deserve to be walking free.

The point is she is an offender. This is classified as NEGLECT & CHILD ABUSE.

Can you tell us your thoughts if both kids died?