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Shooting Dogs - right or wrong?
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*in the country*
Attacking my dogs and threatening my kids?
Dead dog.
Dead dog.
guess i would reserve that right, but find a humane way to resolve the situation.
Posted by CreepyPants
guess i would reserve that right, but find a humane way to resolve the situation.
Like how?
Posted by e11e
you don't have a humane society that would come out and get them?
I'm not going to shoot anything. So, no, I don't think it's right to shoot them.
Not in the country. But I suppose he could have tried.
Posted by Romz
You don't have any right to shoot a domesticated animal, period.
Obviously if this person lives in a rural area, then investing in a fence would be recommended. Not only would it be safe so that the kids don't run loose but also to keep your pets in and other pets out. Its an easy fix to the situation.
Unfortunately regardless of this persons "reasoning" behind feeling warranted to shoot another person domesticated animal...it shouldn't be done. Making a complaint to the right departments in the area to ensure that proper steps are taken to remedy the situation should be the first and most rational action.
I have to say though that sometimes (victims) add a few layers of icing to their story to make the light shine more brightly on themselves in their situation. Often times it comes down to minor squabbles over power. I highly doubt these dogs stopping by to visit are bullying children and beating up dogs. Maybe the person is just over reactive?
Another possible route would be the (victim) in this story to get in touch with the other party and invite him and his dogs over to help teach the (victim) some form of control over the dogs to show the dogs that their is hierarchy that extends pasts their owners.
The owners were asked to fence them in. Why wouldn't the owners take responsibility and keep their dogs fenced in to maintain their safety?
That's the issue I have. The dog owners didn't take any responsibility to protect their animals.
Posted by seraph
I don't think we have enough information.
Are we sure that the matter can't be forward the to law enforcement, or taken up with a lawyer and from there the courts?
If there are no ordinances, then there are mischief/trespass laws which could be interpreted in terms of owner (not dog) responsibility. Is there any precedent in this area?
At any rate, has the claimant (in question on Facebook) explored these alternatives?
I don't believe in doing anything at all until I'm clear on this information.
That's all the information I have. There is no authority over country living except the sheriff's department and they're short handed and all they can do is talk to the dog owners. No home owners association and no city ordinances demanding dogs be fenced in and no community groups that I know of. Court action seems pretty extreme and pretty expensive. The property owner did warn them multiple times. But, I really don't know the rest of the story behind it.
People that own rabid dogs and ignore pleas from neighbors are not the type of people to take lightly you killing their dog. IJS.
It's a shame they stopped dxp IQ tests
Posted by RomzPosted by CapTenn
Attacking my dogs and threatening my kids?
Dead dog.
This is why I don't like Caps or hicks....
*drops mic*click to expand
Upsetting the feels of bleeding hearts is why I'm here.
Mission accomplished.
I can understand the frustration of the property owner. If his property, livestock and children were being threatened, I don't blame him for shooting them. Posting it on facebook was stupid. Whether it was right or wrong, I understand his reasoning.
I don't understand why the dog owners did not make any efforts to protect their dogs.
I realize all the cops can do is talk to the dog owner and suggest they fence them in. I don't think there are any laws in the country over that - one reason why people like living in the country.
Rednecks don't call the cops, they just take care of business. They have the attitude that it's their piece of dirt and they can do what they want with it - another reason to choose country living. Besides if you have an intruder, the cops recommend protecting your property because they are short handed and the response time is too long (they cover a large distance). It is Texas by the way so we have a castle law giving you the right to protect you and yours.
If the dog was threatening my kids, yes, I would shoot it. In a heart beat. Anything to protect my kids. Only parents understand that.
I wish I knew more on the story, though, since I can see both sides.
I don't understand why the dog owners did not make any efforts to protect their dogs.
I realize all the cops can do is talk to the dog owner and suggest they fence them in. I don't think there are any laws in the country over that - one reason why people like living in the country.
Rednecks don't call the cops, they just take care of business. They have the attitude that it's their piece of dirt and they can do what they want with it - another reason to choose country living. Besides if you have an intruder, the cops recommend protecting your property because they are short handed and the response time is too long (they cover a large distance). It is Texas by the way so we have a castle law giving you the right to protect you and yours.
If the dog was threatening my kids, yes, I would shoot it. In a heart beat. Anything to protect my kids. Only parents understand that.
I wish I knew more on the story, though, since I can see both sides.
Posted by RomzPosted by KittenLaRouge
It's a shame they stopped dxp IQ tests
One would think you'd be grateful. Clearly you didn't get in based on your laurels alone.click to expand
Slam!
You have to do what you have to do.Catch the in the act and put them down.I was raised on a small ranch and our cattle were money so I had standing orders to kill any stray dog that crossed the propety or known ones running our cows,they will run them through fences and cut em up.
Posted by kane48txboy
You have to do what you have to do.Catch the in the act and put them down.I was raised on a small ranch and our cattle were money so I had standing orders to kill any stray dog that crossed the propety or known ones running our cows,they will run them through fences and cut em up.
Yep. That's country living. Imagine calling the sheriff's department over that. They would laugh and then tell you to do the same.
Posted by truecapPosted by CreepyPants
guess i would reserve that right, but find a humane way to resolve the situation.
Like how?click to expand
maybe start by asking the neighbor nicely and let them know how meddlesome their dog is, reminding them of our leash laws. around here... "Dogs found in violation of the leash law may be detained by a citizen, turned over to animal control and impounded at the local Animal Shelter. In addition to impound fees, owners can be issued a summons for a violation of county regulations." if it came to my own kids and pets being threatened, i'd have no problem turning a neighbors dog in.
Posted by truecapPosted by RomzPosted by KittenLaRouge
It's a shame they stopped dxp IQ tests
One would think you'd be grateful. Clearly you didn't get in based on your laurels alone.
Slam!click to expand
Glad u understand what I would do to your face into the concrete if I saw you aim at a dog. Good job! Xoxo
Posted by truecapPosted by kane48txboy
You have to do what you have to do.Catch the in the act and put them down.I was raised on a small ranch and our cattle were money so I had standing orders to kill any stray dog that crossed the propety or known ones running our cows,they will run them through fences and cut em up.
Yep. That's country living. Imagine calling the sheriff's department over that. They would laugh and then tell you to do the same.click to expand
Yeah especialy here in Texas
Posted by Romz
Its honestly very sad.
A domesticated animals life is considered worthless because you deem your factory raised cattle to have more worth than an animal completely raised by humans and domesticated for companionship to be shot because you feel your meat animals are worth more?
Yeah that makes sense I guess....if you are a fucking monster.
No one has any right to walk up to your cow and shoot it in the head if it gets into my garden. No one has any right to shoot a dog because its in your yard. If you can't rationalize a situation without shooting something dead then clearly you shouldn't own a gun.
I can't even be bothered with people like you guys. Clearly you are not looking for alternative advice or views. You seem to be defending your narrow minded mindset so why the fuck bother creating this post when you clearly are unable to view it any other way than some Socialist process.
GOOD DAY!
So you'd let a dog terrorize and threaten your children's safety because it is a domesticated animal?
I do value other opinions. Just haven't seen one that would have solved the problem, given the area where we live.
Actually, you're one to talk. You don't seem to try to understand the other side either. You're not open to the opposite opinion than yours. At least, I'm trying to be open minded.
All the dog owner needed to do was fence them in. Why isn't anyone criticizing them for allowing their dogs to remain in danger?
Posted by GG
It's WRONG?
You wouldn't shoot an unruly child would you?
I had a similar situation happen. I use to have dogs just show up on the lawn when mines were in heat.
If you stay calm and assertive in front of your house, dogs get the idea and stop coming back. It's really that simple.
I've always had dogs so I guesa it's easier said than done.
we have the same problem with cats coming into our backyard.
Just stand there, and glare. with hands on hips. they look for awhile like they're caught. then they sigh and back away.
anyway, jeez... solve every problem with a gun. *smh*
Posted by CreepyPantsPosted by truecapPosted by CreepyPants
guess i would reserve that right, but find a humane way to resolve the situation.
Like how?
maybe start by asking the neighbor nicely and let them know how meddlesome their dog is, reminding them of our leash laws. around here... "Dogs found in violation of the leash law may be detained by a citizen, turned over to animal control and impounded at the local Animal Shelter. In addition to impound fees, owners can be issued a summons for a violation of county regulations." if it came to my own kids and pets being threatened, i'd have no problem turning a neighbors dog in.click to expand
He did ask the neighbor nicely. He did explain his point of view.
There are no leash laws where we live - it's the country. No city or county ordinances. There are no animal control officers outside of the city limits. There is no agency he could he turn the dog into?
Honestly I believe it's better to be preemptive, and prevent a situation rather than react to a situation already in place.
So obviously things like having your own fence could be a solution, but in this particular situation. I would just take my kids over to the man??s house, an explain that if this is going to continue to be a problem, We need to have some supervised visits with the dog, so it can get to us, and the dog not be aggressive towards us.
And it may be the case that the dog does not let go of his aggression, and if that is so, the owner has a very clear understanding, of the situation that he cannot deny. Which can hopefully put him in a better mindset to take more precaution.
So obviously things like having your own fence could be a solution, but in this particular situation. I would just take my kids over to the man??s house, an explain that if this is going to continue to be a problem, We need to have some supervised visits with the dog, so it can get to us, and the dog not be aggressive towards us.
And it may be the case that the dog does not let go of his aggression, and if that is so, the owner has a very clear understanding, of the situation that he cannot deny. Which can hopefully put him in a better mindset to take more precaution.
these cats wanna pee on our rose gardens and beautiful exotic plants, so you gotta do what you gotta do. Plus, i get really upset if i see some of those cats try to catch a frog after the rain stops. Cats are afraid of the rain so you won't see them running about in the rain.
You could Always use a water hose and hose those dogs down.
You could Always use a water hose and hose those dogs down.
Shooting an animal for this purpose really isn't a solution I'm comfortable with, but if it's the only option I had, I would not hesitate to protect my family. And only do so if someone was in immediate danger. I would not advocate shooting it just because it was on the wrong property.
...wait until your chld is mauled??
well hopefully people are smarter than that. If you know there's gonna be a rabid dog running around, don't allow your child to go outside.
and call the police. i mean, wtf? are there not authorities around to deal with this shit—
or do the authorities believe this kind of stuff is above them??
the entire thing sounds really suspicious and suspect.
the guy in the photo who killed those dogs, i bet he's real proud ain't he?
well hopefully people are smarter than that. If you know there's gonna be a rabid dog running around, don't allow your child to go outside.
and call the police. i mean, wtf? are there not authorities around to deal with this shit—
or do the authorities believe this kind of stuff is above them??
the entire thing sounds really suspicious and suspect.
the guy in the photo who killed those dogs, i bet he's real proud ain't he?
bet he's the type that sleeps really good at night.
Correction* (I mangled that shit up good)
I would just take my kids over to the man??s house, and explain??_ if this is going to continue to be a problem, we need supervised visits so the dog can get to us, and not be aggressive towards us.
I would just take my kids over to the man??s house, and explain??_ if this is going to continue to be a problem, we need supervised visits so the dog can get to us, and not be aggressive towards us.
Waterygem,
I was talking about a different situation where I know both parties involved. This guy I'm talking about posted his in an apology format, openly and honestly for the world to see. He felt remorse but felt like he had no choice.
But yeah, that guy did it too. Just today, I think. That's what flaired up the facebook fight I witnessed. I can't believe that one actually posted a picture on facebook. Stupid.
I was talking about a different situation where I know both parties involved. This guy I'm talking about posted his in an apology format, openly and honestly for the world to see. He felt remorse but felt like he had no choice.
But yeah, that guy did it too. Just today, I think. That's what flaired up the facebook fight I witnessed. I can't believe that one actually posted a picture on facebook. Stupid.
damn it, *get to know us!
fuckin nvm. I can't post.
fuckin nvm. I can't post.
Posted by lisabethur8
bet he's the type that sleeps really good at night.
He was placed on leave from his firefighter position, they posted that they do not condone that type of behavior whatsoever.
Posted by Astrobyn
damn it, *get to know us!
fuckin nvm. I can't post.
I get what you're trying to say and I agree with you. That is the most adult situation, if the dog owners are willing. If the dogs are going to run around the neighborhood, might as well be friendly with them.
Posted by truecap
Waterygem,
I was talking about a different situation where I know both parties involved. This guy I'm talking about posted his in an apology format, openly and honestly for the world to see. He felt remorse but felt like he had no choice.
But yeah, that guy did it too. Just today, I think. That's what flaired up the facebook fight I witnessed. I can't believe that one actually posted a picture on facebook. Stupid.
No, i think that's wrong. Like I said there are other solutions. I would kidnap the animal and drive it to a no kill shelter 100 miles away before I did that.
Posted by AirMan
that's it... fence them in , problem solved.
yea i'd put up a fence before resorting to shooting. that's opening the door for a lot of other problems.
or some sort of deterrent or encouragement... a sign "no trespassing. EASILY STARTLED VETERAN"
They guy I'm talking about that did it, had livestock and pets that the dogs attacked and children that were afraid to play outside because of them. But that's all I know about it. I don't know if he contacted local authorities, which if he did were probably no help and I don't know what other actions he took besides talking to the dog owners and requesting they keep them at home.
This guy on facebook that you posted, have no idea what his situation is. I don't know his side of the story, though.
This guy on facebook that you posted, have no idea what his situation is. I don't know his side of the story, though.
Posted by CreepyPantsPosted by AirMan
that's it... fence them in , problem solved.
yea i'd put up a fence before resorting to shooting. that's opening the door for a lot of other problems.
or some sort of deterrent or encouragement... a sign "no trespassing. EASILY STARTLED VETERAN"click to expand
Dogs can't read! lol!
lol thats more for the owners
Posted by AstrobynPosted by truecap
Waterygem,
I was talking about a different situation where I know both parties involved. This guy I'm talking about posted his in an apology format, openly and honestly for the world to see. He felt remorse but felt like he had no choice.
But yeah, that guy did it too. Just today, I think. That's what flaired up the facebook fight I witnessed. I can't believe that one actually posted a picture on facebook. Stupid.
No, i think that's wrong. Like I said there are other solutions. I would kidnap the animal and drive it to a no kill shelter 100 miles away before I did that.click to expand
That's probably the best solution I've read. Take care of it yourself, but in a humane manner. Good suggestion.
Posted by truecap
Waterygem,
I was talking about a different situation where I know both parties involved. This guy I'm talking about posted his in an apology format, openly and honestly for the world to see. He felt remorse but felt like he had no choice.
But yeah, that guy did it too. Just today, I think. That's what flaired up the facebook fight I witnessed. I can't believe that one actually posted a picture on facebook. Stupid.
Oh ok! I think it's different when someone does show remorse when they are trying to protect their livestock. My grandfather is a farmer and he made it very clear to keep all strays off his property. My brother made a fatal mistake one time as children, he found a litter of puppies and they followed him onto my grandfathers farm.
My grandfather grabbed his pistol when he saw that they were stray puppies and started shooting them right in front of us. I freaked out and made him stop, I called my mother and saved the last few that were alive. My brother had to bag the ones that were dead and take them to the back of the pasture and dump it. It was HORRIBLE!!!
He explained why but it wasn't good enough for me. I, realize, that they need to keep disease and such off their property but I just feel their is a better solution. I truly hated my grandfather for a long time because of it. I was 13yr old. lol
Posted by Rabbit
I carry when I'm out fishing and I will certainly shoot a dog if it's clearly going to attack me. I've been chased by too many strays while on public land to not be aware of the fact that I might have to kill a dog. Luckily, all the dogs have disliked the water and all I had to do was wade out into deeper water and they decided to leave me be. I'll always look for the non-violent solution first which is what responsible gun owners do. You're most effective weapon is your brain.
That being said...shooting a dog on your land in a situation where you were not immediately threatened and which could be resolved in other ways is just stupid.
That's what it sounds like that guy that went Facebook viral did.
My friends are neighbors and that facebook post absolutely stirred up some old wounds. Understandable.
...to leash their dogs. if your neighbors are trying to bite your kids and take dumps in your lawn, i'd suggest moving to a better neighborhood.
Posted by truecap
My friends are neighbors and that facebook post absolutely stirred up some old wounds. Understandable.
It's really a shame he didn't choose a different solution. There will only be bad blood between them from here on out. 😭
Posted by KittenLaRougePosted by truecapPosted by RomzPosted by KittenLaRouge
It's a shame they stopped dxp IQ tests
One would think you'd be grateful. Clearly you didn't get in based on your laurels alone.
Slam!click to expand
Glad u understand what I would do to your face into the concrete if I saw you aim at a dog. Good job! Xoxo
And me with a gun in my hand. Smart girl, there.
I said I would only shoot it if they were attacking my children. Maybe instead of shooting it, I'd just turn a viscious dog in your direction and let you handle it without a weapon.
Posted by Rabbit
I know farmers here that have paint pellet guns they use to chase dogs away.
If you kill a person's dog, they just go buy a new one.
If you're constantly having to clean multicolored paint out of your dogs fur, you usually get the point...
That's a great idea!!
Posted by Rabbit
I know farmers here that have paint pellet guns they use to chase dogs away.
If you kill a person's dog, they just go buy a new one.
If you're constantly having to clean multicolored paint out of your dogs fur, you usually get the point...
That's a good solution, too.
Posted by WateryGemPosted by truecap
My friends are neighbors and that facebook post absolutely stirred up some old wounds. Understandable.
It's really a shame he didn't choose a different solution. There will only be bad blood between them from here on out. 😭click to expand
Yes, there will be.
Posted by CreepyPantsPosted by AirMan
that's it... fence them in , problem solved.
yea i'd put up a fence before resorting to shooting. that's opening the door for a lot of other problems.
or some sort of deterrent or encouragement... a sign "no trespassing. EASILY STARTLED VETERAN"click to expand
So you would go to the enormous expense of fencing your property to keep someone else's dog out?
Maybe they should fence their property, at their time and expense, to keep their dogs in.
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Does the property owner have that right to shoot them? Or is it wrong?
If you think it's wrong, what would you do if you were in that situation?
Remember, I live in the country. In there country there are no city ordinances stating dogs could not run around loose.
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