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Shooting Dogs - right or wrong? (Page 2)
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Posted by Rabbit
The dogs usually get the point as well. Rounds from a paint ball gun don't exactly tickle...contrary to what is suggested on TV.
If you blast a dog with 7 or 8 shots and it won't leave...yeah you probably need to take more drastic measures.
Rock salt.
Posted by CapTennPosted by CreepyPantsPosted by AirMan
that's it... fence them in , problem solved.
yea i'd put up a fence before resorting to shooting. that's opening the door for a lot of other problems.
or some sort of deterrent or encouragement... a sign "no trespassing. EASILY STARTLED VETERAN"
So you would go to the enormous expense of fencing your property to keep someone else's dog out?
Maybe they should fence their property, at their time and expense, to keep their dogs in.
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i would pay for a fence sooner than i would start shooting, yes. and in this hypothetical scenario... i'm assuming if i can't get them to keep their dog off of my property, i'm probably not going to get them to put a fence up.
Wow GG!! lol Have you been to the south?
Posted by CreepyPantsPosted by CapTennPosted by CreepyPantsPosted by AirMan
that's it... fence them in , problem solved.
yea i'd put up a fence before resorting to shooting. that's opening the door for a lot of other problems.
or some sort of deterrent or encouragement... a sign "no trespassing. EASILY STARTLED VETERAN"
So you would go to the enormous expense of fencing your property to keep someone else's dog out?
Maybe they should fence their property, at their time and expense, to keep their dogs in.
i would pay for a fence sooner than i would start shooting, yes. and in this hypothetical scenario... i'm assuming if i can't get them to keep their dog off of my property, i'm probably not going to get them to put a fence up.click to expand
well i don't know why no one mentioned to pet and be all sweet to the dogs. the dogs might make new buddies.
Posted by CreepyPantsPosted by CapTennPosted by CreepyPantsPosted by AirMan
that's it... fence them in , problem solved.
yea i'd put up a fence before resorting to shooting. that's opening the door for a lot of other problems.
or some sort of deterrent or encouragement... a sign "no trespassing. EASILY STARTLED VETERAN"
So you would go to the enormous expense of fencing your property to keep someone else's dog out?
Maybe they should fence their property, at their time and expense, to keep their dogs in.
i would pay for a fence sooner than i would start shooting, yes. and in this hypothetical scenario... i'm assuming if i can't get them to keep their dog off of my property, i'm probably not going to get them to put a fence up.click to expand
Well alrighty then. You must have some deep pockets. We're not talking fencing in a suburban backyard here.
I looked into fencing my former 4 acres, and it was going to cost me 8 to 10 grand. I decided against the expense.
That's a big investment to keep someone else's pest off your property.
People who have never been in this type of situation are in no position to have an opinion.
My grandpa lives in a rural area as well, and had two pet deer that he kept in a large fenced area. The neighbor's dogs kept coming onto the property and chasing the deer through the fence, and each time my grandpa would chase them off and go down to the neighbor's and ask him to keep the dogs leashed because he was worried the deer were going to break their necks on the fence or really hurt themselves. This went on for months, and even after involving the police - who by the way, told him to shoot the dogs - the dogs kept chasing the deer and the deer kept cutting themselves up on the fence. My grandpa didn't have the heart to shoot them because the dogs were the neighbor's children's pets. Eventually, the deer died - just as my grandpa worried - one broke it's neck, and the other got lock jaw/tetanus from cutting itself on the fence.
Heartbreaking either way - my grandpa lost his pets. If he would have shot the dogs, the neighbor would have lost his.
The difference is - my grandpa suffered due to someone else's lack of responsibility. Had my grandpa shot the dogs, the neighbor would be suffering from the consequences of his own lack of responsibility!
Just saying.
My grandpa lives in a rural area as well, and had two pet deer that he kept in a large fenced area. The neighbor's dogs kept coming onto the property and chasing the deer through the fence, and each time my grandpa would chase them off and go down to the neighbor's and ask him to keep the dogs leashed because he was worried the deer were going to break their necks on the fence or really hurt themselves. This went on for months, and even after involving the police - who by the way, told him to shoot the dogs - the dogs kept chasing the deer and the deer kept cutting themselves up on the fence. My grandpa didn't have the heart to shoot them because the dogs were the neighbor's children's pets. Eventually, the deer died - just as my grandpa worried - one broke it's neck, and the other got lock jaw/tetanus from cutting itself on the fence.
Heartbreaking either way - my grandpa lost his pets. If he would have shot the dogs, the neighbor would have lost his.
The difference is - my grandpa suffered due to someone else's lack of responsibility. Had my grandpa shot the dogs, the neighbor would be suffering from the consequences of his own lack of responsibility!
Just saying.
Posted by size zero superhero
If nothing else, aggressive dogs roaming loose all willy-nilly poses critical liability to nearby residents who keep livestock on their properties. Never mind that the dog could attack/kill unsuspecting humans as well.
If I were you, I'd calmly inform the offending neighbors that you'd much prefer to settle the issue without police intervention if possible. Should they brush you off or flatly refuse, file a report or get cops on the scene. The animal isn't deserving of punishment so much as incompetent, irresponsible pet owners. They're the ones who must suffer ramifications due to their persisting negligence.
I agree with this.
Contrary to some of the posts here, I would argue that dogs running around and acting aggressively aren't "domesticated" in the sense of being properly socialized. The real blame here is on the owners.
What I was trying to understand here is if the roaming dogs actually maimed/killed any of the pets/livestock. If so, the negligent owners can be taken to court for damages.
I would do what was mentioned by subzero, but pursue restitution in the case of damages.
If that doesn't resolve the problem, then the story becomes "shoot, shovel, and shut up".
well that's a decent chunk of dxp, isn't it? a bunch of opinions re. scenarios we've never been in? we're guessing at what we'd do and how we would react.
captenn, i agree that 8-10k is a lot just to keep violent dogs off your property. i definitely would not pay for that.
however... 8-10k to keep your family safe and happy, to feel safe in your own neighborhood, AND to be able to move on with life knowing your security is independent of neighbors and guns (not to say that i wouldn't have any, i just wouldn't rely on them) is almost nothing.
captenn, i agree that 8-10k is a lot just to keep violent dogs off your property. i definitely would not pay for that.
however... 8-10k to keep your family safe and happy, to feel safe in your own neighborhood, AND to be able to move on with life knowing your security is independent of neighbors and guns (not to say that i wouldn't have any, i just wouldn't rely on them) is almost nothing.
lisabethur8 you are sweet,but when a dog doing what is in his nature and chasing poor calves who are weak and they can't fight so they run into a barbed wire fence. So you have to put it down cause it's cut up and it's insides are now on the outside have you ever heard the sound calves crying out in pain that only a bullet can solve all this over a freaking usless dog WOW!
Posted by size zero superheroPosted by CreepyPants
well that's a decent chunk of dxp, isn't it? a bunch of opinions re. scenarios we've never been in? we're guessing at what we'd do and how we would react.
One can only speak for their own background. Making baseless guesses about strangers' past experiences/lack thereof seems like a presumptuous knee-jerk response @ contributors who've expressed views that happen to contradict your take on the matter.
Correct me if I'm wrong: the entire premise of the thread is an inquiry, requesting input rather than a validating circle-jerking loop. Had OP agreed with your apparent stance, the issue probably wouldn't be game for feedback--dog would already be dead.click to expand
are we talking to the same person? my above quote was for briana.
i need to be more consistent at quoting. -_-
Posted by Arielle83
Is this really the mentality of America? Problems can be solved with a bullet.
Get the council to charge your idiot neighbour with a fine. Or build a fence. Why does an animal have to die because you refuse to protect your property with hard scaping?
Lookie there.
Another genius.
A foreign one this time.
Posted by GGPosted by WateryGem
Wow GG!! lol Have you been to the south?
Yes, I have. Too many heavy wooded area's. Remember the civil war? A big part of it was for slavery...think about that...that MEANS something.
Southern culture, despite having cool virtues n all, is not particularly amenable to change.
I think it was nat geo or Smithsonian that had a segment on southern proms ...can you believe that these f.uckers are still sipping on that idiot juice? They have a whites only prom?!
That sh.it still goes on till this day...I couldn't believe my eyes.
Like I said, primitive.click to expand
What a load.
Posted by GGPosted by WateryGem
Wow GG!! lol Have you been to the south?
Yes, I have. Too many heavy wooded area's. Remember the civil war? A big part of it was for slavery...think about that...that MEANS something.
Southern culture, despite having cool virtues n all, is not particularly amenable to change.
I think it was nat geo or Smithsonian that had a segment on southern proms ...can you believe that these f.uckers are still sipping on that idiot juice? They have a whites only prom?!
That sh.it still goes on till this day...I couldn't believe my eyes.
Like I said, primitive.click to expand
I've never heard of a 'whites only' prom happening these days. It may have happened in the 1960's, but not today. Your information isn't correct. Besides, this thread isn't about race.
And the civil war was about a whole lot more than slavery. Slavery was not the reason the south seceded. I find it amusing how uniformed Americans are on our history.
Either way, lets keep race out of this thread.
uninformed, not uniformed! lol!
Posted by kane48txboy
lisabethur8 you are sweet,but when a dog doing what is in his nature and chasing poor calves who are weak and they can't fight so they run into a barbed wire fence. So you have to put it down cause it's cut up and it's insides are now on the outside have you ever heard the sound calves crying out in pain that only a bullet can solve all this over a freaking usless dog WOW!
i dont know where the calf and the deer started to come into the conversation....
around the countryside here, people don't allow their dogs running free.
it's just weird the owners are allowing their dogs to run rampant like that. that's some weird countryside and folks out there. common sense you don't let your dogs run loose.
Posted by magma
It would be interesting to know how many meat eaters are against shooting an animal for attacking other animals and threatening children.click to expand
how does that constitute shooting an individual's pet?
just don't put your children out where there are cray dogs running around.
I do find the irony in all the people that say, call the animal control service.
Yall do know that if animal control services picks up an unruly dog, that they will 'it to sleep' eventually, right? Especially if it has bitten someone.
So, either way, the dog dies.
I guess the difference is that you don't have to witness it.
Just realism.
Yall do know that if animal control services picks up an unruly dog, that they will 'it to sleep' eventually, right? Especially if it has bitten someone.
So, either way, the dog dies.
I guess the difference is that you don't have to witness it.
Just realism.
*put it to sleep*
I was wondering if I also need to call animal control in the rural areas, if a coyote, a wild turkey, wild hog, snake, geese, ducks, rabbits, or deer wandered onto my property as well.
Odds of being laughed off the phone = 100% .
Odds of being laughed off the phone = 100% .
Again, people are clueless.
I'm a huge animal lover myself...I've cried over road kill...I would never want to see someone shoot a dog they didn't have to.
But the reality is, sometimes there isn't a perfect solution...and people have to make a decision based on self preservation.
I feel like this subject is right in line with other even more controversial subjects....you can say "I'd never do that..." but guess what? You haven't been in the position where you've felt like you had to, so it's easy for you to say that.
But the reality is, sometimes there isn't a perfect solution...and people have to make a decision based on self preservation.
I feel like this subject is right in line with other even more controversial subjects....you can say "I'd never do that..." but guess what? You haven't been in the position where you've felt like you had to, so it's easy for you to say that.
Obviously it is people's right to talk out of their ass...I do it all the time, lol.
But really...good luck to those of you who say you'd rely on law enforcement to their job.
Please come back and post about how that worked out for you.
Please come back and post about how that worked out for you.
Posted by brianafay
But really...good luck to those of you who say you'd rely on law enforcement to their job.
Please come back and post about how that worked out for you.
No one seems to understand that the cops are going to go talk to the shithead neighbor, tell him to corral his dogs, and warm him not to let them come onto your property again.
The cop will then come back to you, and say "You've asked them nicely several times, and now we've told them to keep their dogs pinned up. If they come back, I can't tell you to do this, but if it were me, I'd shoot them."
"Good day ma'am/sir."
Posted by truecap
I do find the irony in all the people that say, call the animal control service.
Yall do know that if animal control services picks up an unruly dog, that they will 'it to sleep' eventually, right? Especially if it has bitten someone.
So, either way, the dog dies.
I guess the difference is that you don't have to witness it.
Just realism.
well if the owners didnt allow their dogs running around rampant, then this problem wouldn't happen.
just sounds like alot of owners don't care if their dogs run free, they could die out there, hit by a car, anything. Seems like owners just really don't care about them.
and if picked up by the pound, they should hurry up and get their dogs out of there, with a "fee", because they don't put those animals to sleep right away, but yes eventually.
so it's weird that people are blaming the dogs when it's the owners who are irresponsible. You buy a dog, a pet, it's your responsibility to take good care of them. it's kind of sad though, if you think about it.
Posted by magma
It would be interesting to know how many meat eaters are against shooting an animal for attacking other animals and threatening children.
If they were starving, think they'd shoot one for food?
Posted by CapTenn
I was wondering if I also need to call animal control in the rural areas, if a coyote, a wild turkey, wild hog, snake, geese, ducks, rabbits, or deer wandered onto my property as well.
Odds of being laughed off the phone = 100% .
The sheriff's department would wonder why you hadn't shot it already. Why bother them when they've got bigger problems. They're dealing with crackheads and busting marijuana farms.
Posted by brianafay
I'm a huge animal lover myself...I've cried over road kill...I would never want to see someone shoot a dog they didn't have to.
But the reality is, sometimes there isn't a perfect solution...and people have to make a decision based on self preservation.
I feel like this subject is right in line with other even more controversial subjects....you can say "I'd never do that..." but guess what? You haven't been in the position where you've felt like you had to, so it's easy for you to say that.
I don't think anyone would do it if they didn't have to.
Posted by CapTennPosted by brianafay
But really...good luck to those of you who say you'd rely on law enforcement to their job.
Please come back and post about how that worked out for you.
No one seems to understand that the cops are going to go talk to the shithead neighbor, tell him to corral his dogs, and warm him not to let them come onto your property again.
The cop will then come back to you, and say "You've asked them nicely several times, and now we've told them to keep their dogs pinned up. If they come back, I can't tell you to do this, but if it were me, I'd shoot them."
"Good day ma'am/sir."
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That is EXACTLY what they would tell you.
Posted by lisabethur8
so it's weird that people are blaming the dogs when it's the owners who are irresponsible. You buy a dog, a pet, it's your responsibility to take good care of them. it's kind of sad though, if you think about it.
That was exactly my point in creating this thread.
Dog owners have a responsibility to take care of and protect their dogs, especially if it is a family pet.
In the country, the dog is in more danger of being killed by a coyote than it is a neighbor.
Makes me sad that people want dogs, but don't take care of them. Leave them to run wild and risk all kinds of dangers.
Posted by blackphase
I haven't read all of this, just the original comment.. But your local law enforcement should be involved if in fact it is an issues of safety, or even if you simply don't want the dog on your property. Taking matters into your own hands like that is a really bad idea.. Saying that as a dog owner.
Do you know for a fact that this dog is harmful? Or you just fear it may be? There is a huge difference there. But if your neighbor isn't responsible enough to account for their own pet then I would most definitely talk to the law enforcement, as he should not eve own the dog in the first place. But shooting another persons pet (which to some of us is like our children) is never the option. Obviously some people don't care about their pets that much, hence this fellow letting his dog roam wherever it pleases.. But just think of it like this..
Say you have a child that is vandalizing your neighbors property and your neighbor decides to take disciplinary matters into his own hands when you fail to do so without first seeking help from local authorities.. How do you feel about that? It is the exact same thing..
And maybe you have tried to contact them with no luck.. But if it is in fact a safety issue, where you feel threatened by the dog, there is no reason at all that they wouldn't remove the dog from the owner.
You totally missed the point that law enforcement won't do anything except talk to the neighbor and then give you the go ahead if it happens again. Law enforcement will not go pick up the dog.
Posted by size zero superheroPosted by truecap
I do find the irony in all the people that say, call the animal control service.
Yall do know that if animal control services picks up an unruly dog, that they will 'it to sleep' eventually, right? Especially if it has bitten someone.
So, either way, the dog dies.
Not necessarily. The owners will often get fined out the @ $ $ (which of course, they won't like) whether the dog is ultimately returned to their custody or not. And that's the whole point--they need to catch the blowback, not the dog. it's easy to get another dog, while the problem at hand goes unsolved.click to expand
Dog owners like that don't care about the dog and if they are not willing to fence them up, they're definitely not going to go get the dog from the pound.
Posted by brianafay
But really...good luck to those of you who say you'd rely on law enforcement to their job.
Please come back and post about how that worked out for you.
My dad had a threat one time. He called law enforcement. An HOUR later they had not shown up because they were 40 miles away dealing with some crackhead bullshit. He finally called them and said 'shots have been fired'. They showed up 30 minutes later.
So yeah, calling law enforcement over some bullshit problem with a dog is not going to work.
My dogs used to drag in dead animals. They killed a racoon one time and I actually went out and buried it. They kept digging it up and bringing it back. Gross!
Posted by truecap
My dogs used to drag in dead animals. They killed a racoon one time and I actually went out and buried it. They kept digging it up and bringing it back. Gross!
Mine too.
I had a doggy door, and my Dobermans routinely delivered moles, frogs, and opossums to my feet.
Gee, thanks.
P.S. - A frog with make a dog's mouth froth like it ate a bottle of laundry detergent.
Posted by Rabbit
What if you ate the dog after shooting it? Would it be okay since you aren't letting it go to waste?
I think anyone would if they were hungry enough.
Posted by partiallyimpartialPosted by lisabethur8
so it's weird that people are blaming the dogs when it's the owners who are irresponsible. You buy a dog, a pet, it's your responsibility to take good care of them. it's kind of sad though, if you think about it.
sooooo weird
i was having a conversation about a different topic at my neighbors house last night, but we went down this EXACT tangent.
these people were trying to tell me that an abused dog that attacks a kid is evil and will go to hell LMAOclick to expand
but you said "abused dog". That poor dog has been abused. And these folks sound very religious. the dog going to hell?? what kind of thinking is this??
so what was the conclusion of the convo??
minds are getting weirder and weirder....
Posted by truecapPosted by lisabethur8
so it's weird that people are blaming the dogs when it's the owners who are irresponsible. You buy a dog, a pet, it's your responsibility to take good care of them. it's kind of sad though, if you think about it.
That was exactly my point in creating this thread.
Dog owners have a responsibility to take care of and protect their dogs, especially if it is a family pet.
In the country, the dog is in more danger of being killed by a coyote than it is a neighbor.
Makes me sad that people want dogs, but don't take care of them. Leave them to run wild and risk all kinds of dangers.click to expand
it is sad.
maybe they should have a community where people get together and teach people how to take care of their animals.
I have two German Shephards. They have never been in the house. Never will be. Their tails knock everything over, lol! But, I keep them in a large fenced in yard and go out and play with them quite often. They are pets as well as security.
Posted by feby
I love German Shepherds. One of my favorite breeds of dogs. They are just so amazing.
I also like bulldogs. They're so ugly it's cute. I'm going to get one soon. An English one.
I like Australian shephards too.
Bulldogs are cute. And Pugs!!
I would probably call the pound and have them take it.
I would also let the people know where their dog is so they have to pay money to get it back as a lesson.
I'd only kill a dog if it bit me and wouldn't let go, but most dogs aren't stupid enough to let somthing kill them. One blow to the face the dog will likely run off alive. Worse case I'd strangle it like I would attempt to do to anything I thought could possibly end my life.
So I guess no I wouldn't shoot someone's dog. I would try to stop a dog by any means necessary if it attacked me, my pets, or a child/adult in danger of serious wounds or death.
I would also let the people know where their dog is so they have to pay money to get it back as a lesson.
I'd only kill a dog if it bit me and wouldn't let go, but most dogs aren't stupid enough to let somthing kill them. One blow to the face the dog will likely run off alive. Worse case I'd strangle it like I would attempt to do to anything I thought could possibly end my life.
So I guess no I wouldn't shoot someone's dog. I would try to stop a dog by any means necessary if it attacked me, my pets, or a child/adult in danger of serious wounds or death.
Posted by capink
I don't know what redneck state you live but it's not okay unless it's vicious and has the intent of causing harm to you, your kids or your own dogs.
Being annoying is not a legitimate reason to kill a dog. If it were I would be locked up because kids annoy the shit out of me.
That's the only reason I would.
One time, my neighbor's dog was in my yard digging after and chasing moles. The neighbor was yelling at her to come home, but I was like 'hey, let her get after it, I want those moles gone!' Best mole chaser I've seen, but alas she had to go home and the moles are still here. 😢
I meant only cuz they were causing harm, not cuz they were annoying me.
Posted by truecapPosted by feby
I love German Shepherds. One of my favorite breeds of dogs. They are just so amazing.
I also like bulldogs. They're so ugly it's cute. I'm going to get one soon. An English one.
I like Australian shephards too.
Bulldogs are cute. And Pugs!!click to expand
I had an Austrralian shephard back in High School, the smartest dog I ever had.
Posted by partiallyimpartialPosted by lisabethur8Posted by partiallyimpartialPosted by lisabethur8
so it's weird that people are blaming the dogs when it's the owners who are irresponsible. You buy a dog, a pet, it's your responsibility to take good care of them. it's kind of sad though, if you think about it.
sooooo weird
i was having a conversation about a different topic at my neighbors house last night, but we went down this EXACT tangent.
these people were trying to tell me that an abused dog that attacks a kid is evil and will go to hell LMAO
but you said "abused dog". That poor dog has been abused. And these folks sound very religious. the dog going to hell?? what kind of thinking is this??
so what was the conclusion of the convo??
yeah, the girl i was talking to was really religious. she was trying to prove to me the existence of souls and she was making the argument that when a dog is raised in violence it corrupts its soul and turns the dog evil. and the guy wasn't nearly as religious and he didn't have much of an opinion about that particular subject, but kind of leaned toward agreeing with her while at the same time agreeing that it wasn't fair or logical at all.
the conclusion was that we agreed to disagree about everything. but it was still very friendly.click to expand
thanks for explaining.
guess her companion sounded like he just wanted to keep the peace.
that's good about keeping it friendly. no fistacuffs.
Posted by b1tchcrafts
Honestly if someone killed my dog I would make it a point to ruin their life...
I would risk going to jail just to fuck with you.
So be careful you you mess with OP...
Well then keep that little bastard in your own yard and things will be peachy.
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