There should be a law that...

Forces women to get on birth control if they have 2 or more kids (after the 1st one) that they can't take care of. It's NOT fair for these women to keep on having more children even though they couldn't take care of the 1st one.

And it's damn sure not fair that taxpayers have to foot the bill just b/c some chick had a fling 1 night & ended up pregnant.

Actually screw us outsiders. Even if we didn't have to foot the bill, it's still demeaning to the children of these mothers/fathers b/c they don't deserve to be brought here unless BOTH parents can support the child. I get that sometimes "accidents" do happen, BUT 2 & 3+ kids later is NOT an accident. It's called being irresponsible & not having common sense.

I also think it should be mandatory for people signing up for welfare to be drug tested. The way I see it, if they're clean, they should have nothing to worry about or hide.

I urks my nerves to see people on foodstamps actually selling them! And some of them are proud of it too with no shame in their game! This absolutely urks my nerves!

I'm NOT saying that everyone on government assistance takes advantage of the system, BUT it's no secret that some absolutely do & THEY should be punished or pre-screened more closly before they're allowed certain government benefits.

Yeah or a law that tests and finds those who are unfit to be parents and says they can't have children. Isn't this fun? 😛

Posted by happykitsune
Yeah or a law that tests and finds those who are unfit to be parents and says they can't have children. Isn't this fun? 😛

Actually YEAH there should be a law like this. Of course it'd never get passed though b/c people love enabling/encouraging bad seeds to produce more bad seeds/children making babies. Smh smh

Hell the government controls & regulates everything else! Why not add 1 more law or program to the mix?! Pst! Atleast it'd shut us taxpayers up.

So fucking ignorant

Have you people forgot that I'm an Aquarius?! Aquas are curious to see how other people think of certain subjects that have, at 1 point in time, fueled their interest. NO there's no book/article I'm writing...just being an Aqua =)

@SizeZero: Oh honey I never said that this law would actually ever go into effect! I know that's not gonna happen! I was just throwing an idea out there. Sue me!

"the children did not choose to be brought into this world, yet they would likely be the ones most damaged by the elimination of food stamps, welfare, child support and whatever other resources help to get by, and just barely so."

Very true. And since every child's survival depends entirely on the mother/father in the beginning, I think it's only necessary to educate the women having these children. The children ALSO suffer when they're brought into this world w/o parents that have the valid means of supporting them.

I bet if such a law were to come in place, the percentage of mothers having children out of wedlock would drastically DECREASE b/c there'd be more women thinking twice before reproducing the 3rd child when they couldn't take care of the 1st one. Longterm-wise, there'd actually be LESS children that suffer

Why does the woman have to carry the burden? Make the MEN wrap it up too. If a MAN has 2 or more children he's not paying child support on, *whack*!

You know what I'm waiting for? I'm waiting for the shit to hit the fan, the economy to crumble, and we are on our ass trying to actually survive in this world. It'll be harsher because the weakest links will die off but we'll get back to the basics and can start fresh.

Posted by piranhaparadiise
Without children there would be no future generation...the world would end when all you old folks cark it 😄

There should be a law on stupid threads though 🙂

I get it...children are blessings. BUT too many of ANYTHING when you can't pay for it or handle it does NOT do you, the father of that child OR the world any favors or service. It's perfectly fine if you want to have "the future generation" BUT before you do, make sure you can take care of it yourself!

Stupid thread? Sheeesh, give me the name of the guy who pointed a gun at your head & told you to come here b/c I'm quite sure he doesn't exist

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Posted by ninjamu
You know what I'm waiting for? I'm waiting for the shit to hit the fan, the economy to crumble, and we are on our ass trying to actually survive in this world. It'll be harsher because the weakest links will die off but we'll get back to the basics and can start fresh.

By back to basics you mean you'll get raped repeated by the lowest common denominators and the rest of us amass firearm resistance against the criminal element?

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Exactly.

you should definitely have to qualify to have kids.

there are 2 types of people...

people who plan to have kids and people who just have kids.

the people who plan to have kids, plan their finances, job, etc all toward a goal of supporting a family. once their back account looks fat, they have kids.

then there are people who just have kids and have to struggle. some get it together eventually through their own hard work and tenacity. then there are some who look toward the government, i.e. my paycheck to help them to support their kid. these people even have the nerve to have a 2nd and a 3rd.

Posted by everevolvingepithet
A woman with a working womb qualifies.
If you're the guy, run away if she trapped you !
hehe

lol, no but for real. people should have to qualify to have kids, just like a used care has to go through a 20 point inspection to be sold.

financial
psychologically
emotionally
etc

I find it funny that people still actually believe that living on welfare is somehow worthwhile for those who need it. Where I live, 3 kids gets you less than $ 400/month. Living the good life, for sure!!! And folks wonder why there are 3 or 4 families living in the same housing unit in impoverished neighborhoods *rolls eyes*

And the system is not set up for people to get ahead... even less so now than it was 20 yrs ago before welfare reform!!!

Actually, its something like only 2% of the federal budget to fund all welfare programs in the US - INCLUDING Medicare, Medicaid, student loans/grants (yes, you receive welfare if you get a gvmt backed student loan or grant), food stamps, housing assistance, WIC, disability, the whole lot of 'em for the young, the old, the disabled and the like!!

Pocket change in all actuality when you think about it!!!

War costs a hell of a lot more... and does a hell of a lot less for society and humanity!!!

It sucks that so many people take advantage of their welfare. Selling food stamps, lying on their applications. Hell some even purposely have kids just so they can receive alot of government benefits. Crazy.

I think that's wrong. Even though I don't believe in abortion, I ALSO DON'T believe in purposely (b/c we all have the choice) bringing a child into this world that you can't support. In both cases, the child is doomed anyways, so the government oughta find a middle ground. Something has to give.

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Posted by lildol
Actually, its something like only 2% of the federal budget to fund all welfare programs in the US - INCLUDING Medicare, Medicaid, student loans/grants (yes, you receive welfare if you get a gvmt backed student loan or grant), food stamps, housing assistance, WIC, disability, the whole lot of 'em for the young, the old, the disabled and the like!!

Pocket change in all actuality when you think about it!!!

let's not forget unemployment benefits. that seems to be looking like the "new" welfare.

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it sure is

Posted by krysrenee7
It sucks that so many people take advantage of their welfare. Selling food stamps, lying on their applications. Hell some even purposely have kids just so they can receive alot of government benefits. Crazy.

NOT... they get crap! Not enough to live on by no stretch of the imagination!! You have no idea what it is like to scrape by on welfare apparently! Some do sell food stamps and the like, but that is not the majority; most are trying to better themselves, and the way the system is set up now, they can't. People do crooked things all the time regardless - our gvmt is the biggest offender!!! Krys, I have thought of you having a lot of insight on a variety of topics, but now you sound like just another stupid person (and good God we have too many here in the US as it is).

Ah, what the hell, let's just get rid of stupid people - can we shoot 'em? While we're at it, let's decide who can and cannot have kids based on IQ (as has been purported in the past). Whatever! We all know stupid people shouldn't breed... and those who breed stupid people, well they and their offspring should be put on birth control or sterilized!

And, not saying that those that sell their food stamps are not trying to better themselves, they do after all have bills to pay and that check sure as hell ain't covering rent and utilities! (and not saying everyone's on the up and up either)

After welfare reform my sister, who had 4 kids (welfare only maxed out at 3 - which, in Alaska is around $ 900/mo, the second highest subsidiary in the country mind you), tried to go to school so that she could get a job to support her kids (husband left her and was not paying any child support, which would have only been a few hundred dollars/mo anyway, and she had no education or job experience), but the system no longer allowed it because of welfare reform. At the time reform passed, only about 2% of all welfare recipients stayed on the system over 5 yrs - recipients were getting an education and getting jobs!!! NOW, they can't... minimum wage gets you food stamps, housing assistance, day care assistance, medicaid and the like. But, under the current system you're not going to be getting a job that pays much more. I say, let them get an education. And do you know what we pay then for those who WERE on public assistance? NOTHING, because they can actually support themselves! The current system is set up for failure, set up for relying on the system forever.

You go live on $ 900 per month - or, better yet, where I live now maxes out at around $ 320 for 3 kids! Let's see how high and mighty you'll live even with all those "other" benefits *rolls eyes*

Quote me where I said that "ALL" people on welfare took advantage of it.....(waiting)...I NEVER said that. I said that SOME people do. Wanna know how I'm absolutely sure that SOME people do? B/c I worked for the state Job & Family Services for over 4 years & I've seen it personally. I've had women/men surprisingly admit to me how they "worked the system," as well as I had to be the person of authority that prosecuted those who got caught or took away their benefits b/c they got caught.

So be careful before you call someone "stupid," b/c once the facts come out, YOU may be the only one looking stupid.

For those whom the shoe DOES fit, & for those who DO take advantage of welfare, I do think that it should be harder for them to obtain assistance. Trust me, kids are just as MUCH at a diservice when their own parents break the law, lie or steal, as much as they're doomed to have parents who can't support them.

Breaking the law is NEVER justified. And just b/c you're a parent with kids you can't take care of without state assistance doesn't mean that you're justified in breaking the very same laws all other taxpayers have to abide by. Being on welfare isn't a "get out of jail free" card to break the law.

The way I look at it...if you're applying for food stamps b/c you're claiming that you have no money to buy food, why would anyone be wrong in assuming that once you actually receive those food stamps, that you'll actually use them towards food?

I get that selling food stamps to get needed cash may be the only way out some mothers/fathers have, BUT unfortunately, doing so is illegal & is part in reason why they're cracking down on welfare policies & laws now. It's b/c there are lots of people messing it up for the people who really DO use the assistance as they'd swore they would.

You can't get mad at the lawmakers for enforcing the laws. You have to get mad at the people who keep breaking them. And YES, that includes even the single mothers or women/men who need state assistance.

And just b/c I've never needed state assistance doesn't make me any less educated on how the system works. I've never been on crack either, but I know to stay away from it, just like I know it's effects & what it costs the economy. I shouldn't have to apologize for actually having kids that I can take care of.

If you need state assistance AND if you're using them responsibily, there's NOTHING wrong with that. Even the best & most responsible/educated

If you need state assistance AND if you're using them responsibily, there's NOTHING wrong with that. Even the best & most responsible/educated need help sometimes.

Again, I'm not talking about the people who DON'T take advantage of the system. I'm talking about those who DO. And there are plenty of them. I used to process "their" claims every single day. And personally, I'm not at all interested in protecting the rights or egos of those who do take advantage b/c I know that long-term wise, those kinds of people make it harder for the HONEST people to get benefits.

Part of the reason it's as hard as it is to get cash assistance or food stamps now is b/c of all the people who took advantage of welfare policies/rules.

7 years ago, the verification process for which someone was considered eligible for welfare assistance was alot shorter. Why is it so difficult now? Why do you have to show proof of every type if income in the world that you may be receiving now? Why does it take up to 30 days to receive food stamps instead of the original 1-10 days it used to take? Why do people on welfare have to constantly show proof that they really DO need the assistance?

There's a reason policies are getting stricter & more hard for just anyone to apply for. And to suggest that people taking advantage of welfare has nothing to do with these new changes is absurd.

When I worked for Job & Family Services, I was told daily to watch for signs that someone was possibly lying on their application. Not b/c the state wants us to be mean or make you feel like shxt for needing assistance. BUT b/c they were dead serious about not letting someone "slide" if their claim looked fishy.

Same goes for unemployment. People lie on their applications all the time. There have been so many documented liars, that the state didn't have a choice but to crack down on welfare/state assistance policies. It's their way of PROTECTING those who REALLY & truly need it, not punishing them.

So as I've said before, those who aren't taking advantage of the system should have nothing to worry about when they're asked to bring in 5 more forms to prove their case (unlike 2-3 forms they may have only needed the year before). The only people these new policies will "offend" are those who take advantage of it & are mad that their schemes won't work anymore.

And if taxpayers had absolutely NOTHING to do with the funding of welfare, I could undertand the arguement that we all need to shut up & mind our own business. BUT people like you & I absolutely DO have a right to an opinion b/c those benefits don't pay for themselves. We're all paying for them. I don't mind paying for the person who isn't take advantage of the system. But I absolutely DO mind paying my taxes to fund the people who DO take advantage. Sue me

Posted by ellessque
why crack down now and not 7 years ago?

I've been paying your salary for 7 years and you want to tighten the laws NOW?

I want my money back. 😛

B/c it gets worse every year. And unfortunately, like with alot of laws/policies, they don't go into effect until something bad happens OR until enough people have gotten by.

I agree that they should've cracked down on these issues a lonnnnnng time ago. Maybe it took them twice as long in 7 years b/c the population has doubled (therefore so has the number of people needing assistance) & it may take them a little bit longer to "process" everything due to over-population. Smh smh

This kind of thought is the result of living in the materialistic world of U.S of EHH ignoring the fact that there are 6,7 billions of people out there and having a fairly good life if this fucking 300,000,000 millions of pests and their fucking foreign political affair allowing the rest of the world to live in a normal conditions.

To the OP.. what are you? NAZI or something..? Remember one child policies in china..? Are you worrying about you fucking TAX dollars..??

The cost of war in Iraq is about 1 billion dollars a week add the Afghanistan its to goes up to about 2,5 billion dollars a week since 2001.


Now shut the hell up if you are worry about wasting money.

Posted by krysrenee7
Forces women to get on birth control if they have 2 or more kids (after the 1st one) that they can't take care of. It's NOT fair for these women to keep on having more children even though they couldn't take care of the 1st one.

And it's damn sure not fair that taxpayers have to foot the bill just b/c some chick had a fling 1 night & ended up pregnant.

Actually screw us outsiders. Even if we didn't have to foot the bill, it's still demeaning to the children of these mothers/fathers b/c they don't deserve to be brought here unless BOTH parents can support the child. I get that sometimes "accidents" do happen, BUT 2 & 3+ kids later is NOT an accident. It's called being irresponsible & not having common sense.

I also think it should be mandatory for people signing up for welfare to be drug tested. The way I see it, if they're clean, they should have nothing to worry about or hide.

I urks my nerves to see people on foodstamps actually selling them! And some of them are proud of it too with no shame in their game! This absolutely urks my nerves!

I'm NOT saying that everyone on government assistance takes advantage of the system, BUT it's no secret that some absolutely do & THEY should be punished or pre-screened more closly before they're allowed certain government benefits.

I can appreciate a person that's willing to fight. But, pick the right fight, this isn't one of them.

I suggest america withdraw from the world and protect itself for 100 years. After that a lot of the 10 or 12 billion will have killed thereselfs off.

Imagine this world without Dr. Ben Carson or Dr. Clarissa Pinkola Estes.....



"Spirit, Are they yours?" Scrooge could say no more.

"They are Man's," said the Spirit, looking down upon them. "And they cling to me, appealing from their fathers. This boy is Ignorance. This girl is Want."

lol^^^

Brah! I scorched my retinas on the OP!