To the people in London, my condolences.. (Page 2)

Second paragraph

"They have power to take other people lives in the public?"

Haffo,

I'm not as informed about wars as a lot of people, mainly, because I don't take the time, and that's my fault. But, one thing that I have thought about when it comes to war - it's seems to be about religion.

And then I think, isn't that sacreligious to take a life in the name of God. It just seems like a big fat expression of hypocracy.

And then I think, isn't that sacreligious to take a life in the name of God. It just seems like a big fat expression of hypocracy.

I always thought that was kindo weird myself but then again I think alot of religious practices of all denominations are kinda off.

CL

" I'm not as informed about wars as a lot of people, mainly, because I don't take the time, and that's my fault."

I'm sure most of the people in your country have the same situation. That is not your fault. After all, you are not the one in that situation arent you?

"But, one thing that I have thought about when it comes to war - it's seems to be about religion."

Religion is being used as a tool. Unfortunately. Uneducated people are very easily caught up by such people who use religion as a tool. These people who listen them aren't that guilty as people who use them. Altought, I suspect that western countries manipulate situations in countries to create enviroument that will make their military actions as "rightful". Neither of sides are innocent P-Angel.

"And then I think, isn't that sacreligious to take a life in the name of God."

The people who blow themself up dont think that way. They are not aware of most things that we are. I dont think the educated people will blow themself up.

And then sometimes I think that nobody is innocent. There is no such person, unless, of course, you're a baby. Innocent lives - what is that, really? We are all guilty of something, aren't we? Maybe our punishment comes in a form that isn't of our understanding. If I, for example became "collateral damage" - maybe that is my fate because of something I did. It doesn't mean that it has to be directly related to the war-at-hand. Do you know what I mean?

Qbone,

I can appreciate you're trying to SHOW PEOPLE ANOTHER SIDE OF REALITY. I was just a little suprised to find a debate about this war on a board where people could share their condolences.

I have a friend in London who was injured in the Kings Cross explosion so I guess I took it all a bit personally. Please don't assume that I am one of these people who is ignorant to what's going on out there.

I live in Australia where we have a government with no back what so ever. Our Prime Minister is such a puppet we may as well be run by Bush himself and there are a sh1t load of people in this country who couldn't care less as long as their happy in their own lives. On the other side of the coin there a lot who are quite disgusted by the way things have been handled. This may sound really harsh but we as the western world had this coming. We've poked around in these peoples countries for years as if it were our god given right. Terrorism is the only way these people think they can have any impact. What else are they going to do, take us to war? They know they wouldn't stand a chance. I think if the tables were turned we would probably do the same thing.

I'm not sure whether a lot of Americans realize this but your President is not a liked man around the world and based his continued stupidity, things will get a lot worse before they get better.

Qbone, I apoligiize to you. I understand more where you are coming from now and I note that any past grievances you have with anyone on these boards are none of my business.

He and his party are not liked here either,well that is the ones who do look outside the box that is.He whens votes by playing maniplutive and brings up things the opponant did in thier past rather than anything relevant to anything to this country,it's more of who do you think is the better person.Then the media doesn't help the voters much in exposing it all rather than what they choose to.They like to feed people fear and thats the other part of how they get thier way in the end.And by the way P-angel your right,noones innocent except children,it's just the way these people choose to right wrongs thats the problem,our politicians don't do it fairly.What haffo suspects is right Bush and his party uses religion as a tool with alot of these things,it's not really religion reasons on the other side in most cases,it's just that thier tired of being told what to do.Which leads to bj's terrorism statement.

oops whens=wins votes

Imagine yourself.. lost the family, lost the closest one.. lover, your kids, your dad or mom?your friends....................you are LOST?.!!

That'll explain the suicide bombers?!! It is NOT THE RELIGION? it is human decisions?!.... what do I do when everything is lost?.—

We humans?. are nothing without another humans even he/she is our counterpart——.

Thank you BJ? for your acknowledgments..!!

sorry to hear that bj I hope your friends gets better

BJ said, "I'm not sure whether a lot of Americans realize this but your President is not a liked man around the world and based his continued stupidity, things will get a lot worse before they get better."

BJ, perhaps the rest of the world doesn't realize - Bush isn't liked much here (USA) either. Just as Saddam wasn't liked by his citizens, Blair isn't liked much by the Brits, and of course, Hitler wasn't liked much by the Germans. But, our hands are tied. Most of us wish we had control, but, we don't. Luckily, though, our Presidency only lasts for a four year term and he cannot be elected into office next term. We are all hoping that we can get someone in there who can actually make a positive difference, not just for us Americans, but, for the whole world.

One thing, though, that really irritates me, is that people (non-Americans) automatically assume that all of us feel as our President does and point fingers, saying that all Americans are at fault. That's just not fair! I've never taken another life (guilty or innocent) and would die myself before harming another. You can't take a nation, a religion, or race - bunch them into a whole and then place blame on all because of one person. That's just not right. People are so quick to place judgement without really thinking any further or deeper. And in so doing, doesn't that make everybody responsible - make them prejiduce?

This is on a smaller scale, but the point is the same - what if your father raped and killed somebody - are you responsible for that? Is that your fault, because he is relative to you? People look at you and think you're a low-life SOB because of something someone else did. How fair is that? Yet, every other person around you, or who knows about it, will whisper behind your back and think less of you. What an absolute atrocity! Yet, that's how people are. Us Americans are viewed as evil human beings - all of us - so, in reality, every non-American who thinks like this is no different than the monster himself. They would place judgement and crucify the innocent, as well. There is no difference. Every person who places judgement on me, simply because I'm American, is no different than Bush, Saddam, or anyone in our history who is viewed with disdain.

It's hipocracy! It's like the adult with a cigg hanging from thier mouths, yelling at the teenager for smoking.

Just my thoughts above, not meaning to offend anyone.

Lmao?. For the land of "freedom and democracy"? it is funny to bring that up?.. and funnier is to bring that "freedom and democracy" to the other countries?.damn LMAO..

See?.. let people live their life? saddam? was good to IRAQ and their people?.. it always some one don?t like (as you've suggested for BUSH).

And yeah? you as an AMERICAN? is EVIL? you are responsible for what ever happen to this world? you just don?t know it yet?

My job is to stop the evil?. When ever it possible?

But, apparantly - you can't stop yourself from being a terror . . .

How can you help someone else, if you can't help yourself?

Obviously, you believe in Tyranny and that's a crying shame! I really feel sorry for you. You're delusional if you truly believe what you posted above and have some kind of need to place judgement instead looking inside yourself. It's sad, very, very sad, because you have a lot to offer to this world.

Q said, "And yeah? you as an AMERICAN? is EVIL? you are responsible for what ever happen to this world? you just don?t know it yet?" Q, Q, Qbone - OMG!

I am truly thankful that us Americans have overcome this sort of attitude. We used to think this way once, in a lot of ways, such as: women were inferior to men, blacks were inferior to whites - but, we have grown and are past this and I'm am so thankful.

If this is how we are viewed to the rest of the world, then I am truly glad I'm American, indeed!

I know you just like to argue and what a better place to do this, right? A place where you can hide and not confront someone in the open. So, if you're just itching for a fight, then you go and say all you want. But, if you mean, really and truly mean, what you said above - then, I can only hope that people take a good and hard look at this and realize just what kind of a person you are.

Yeah? typical AMERICAN EXCUSES. Give me something new?hehe

You feel sorry—... hehe
I want you feel nothing?.. your feeling is stupid and embracing me? so don?t feel nothing..
You live in America and you use to those stupid (feeling)?. Keep that sh!t to your own..
I don?t need that sh!t?

LMAO

Hey .. I don?t need a place to "hide out".. I know how to handle "stupid Americans" like you no worries "babe"?

Stupid are stupid? and I don't use even a single energy cell to "convince" stupid are stupid.. you are stupid?.and I am not going to waste my time over you ?.. you are stupid anyway? be stupid? and remain that

Q said, "I just wanted to make sure that everyone acknowledges that WE ALL ARE HUMAN with no differences..."

You just don't know which way to point your pecker, do ya?

And then, when all else fails, just resort to repeats . . . stupid, stupid, stupid

It's amazing how smart you are, yet, when it comes to me, you're quite ignorant. I guess I must bring this quality out in you - you're welcome!

You can say all the wonderul things to people in here, as I see you regularly do as a means of manipulation. Just pat them on the back and make them feel so warm and fuzzy and they'll believe that you are the most wonderful and endearing creature to ever walk this planet - but, then . . . your true colors shine through at times like these and it makes me think of how easily people are swayed if they don't read between these here lines.

I mean, I realize that people believe that everyone has a right to their opinion and everybody wants everyone else to get along and be civil to each other. And people would come to the aid of another when they feel that someone is being treated unfairly to comfort them and tell them that they aren't really evil, it's just a stupid person who believes this way. The manipulation is quite easy, isn't it? The victim, oh yes, that is an easy role to play when you're a tyrannist. That's how these monsters get masses of people to follow them, along with bribary (stroking their egos, or offering sentiments). If you look in history past, all around the world, it's these kind of tactics that gets multitudes of followers.

He will just lovingly pat their backs, telling them everything they want to hear - all the while, he is just looking for a soft spot to slide the blade in.

I'm absolutely amazed Qbone that anyone really jumps to your side to coddle you. If they really read the things you say - and, you claim that you truly believe what you say - then, everybody must just be living their lives with blinders on. It's a shame because these people can see this ONLY when it effects them personally and that's why we have the problems we have in this world. People can only see what effects them and to hell with the rest of the world.

I must say, you are very good at baffling people. They listen to how much you know and say that you've helped them - but, then look at what you believe, really believe! Your the KKK, Hitler, Bin Laden - all of them - that is your belief - not opinion, but belief system. Trick the masses, then strike!

You're just BSing people and they believe you. How sad is that?

I want to apologize to anyone else just listening in to our conversation! Everything I say is not intended to hurt any of the innocent people in here. I am just using situations as a means of getting my point across.

If that's unfair, I apologize! Some people here are wonderful people and I don't mean to offend you.

Well I like being American...Wouldn't choose ANY other country to be native of but I do get tired of people bashing us as a "people" when certain leaders make all the decisions for us REGARDLESS of what we think nationally OR individually.

BUT

Once I visted another country (France) I began to see why non-Americans despise us so much...They wanna be Americans too! They are just in denial...

CL

That's a very interesting statement! I have often thought the same thing. Only, maybe, it's a resentment because we are strong and powerful. Perhaps it's human nature to want to be on top, in charge, so to speak. I know for myself, I'm a little intimidated when someone appears to be very strong and my reaction may come out as being resentful.

But, I have to be proud, too. It's all a matter of how you look at things, I guess. What's wrong with someone being stronger, who you know will take care of you. If someone broke into your house and was yielding a weapon, wouldn't people in the house look to the strongest person (usually the male) to defend his family? And, I should think that that man would be honored to have the ability to protect his family. He would find pride in knowing that his family was safe because of his efforts. Take that to a larger scale and Americans are those dads stopping the intruders from harming his family.

Unfortunately - there are times when it's the dad (USA) who is the intruder. So, when the term is over - Dad has to get a divorce - and a new man will be there to help the weaker. I know, I know - I'm sappy.

If you look at countries, like Isreal and S. Korea, for example, who are free peoples in thier countries - they aren't complaining. They actually like thier life style s and their freedoms. If I could choose which country to wave my flag in - it would be the USA, no doubt (which I do - yahooooooooo).

Actually, it doesn't really matter who is the President of the United States, which most people blame him, but, he has little power. That's like saying that the Queen of England rules Great Britian. He is just a figure-head. People hate him, perhaps even detest him - but, that just goes to show how little they know about our politics. The problem with our country - the only way to really change our country - is to get rid of them dang gone LAWYERS sitting on Congress (Senate & HR). We can protest, we can raly as many people together as we want, we can even assassinate (though, that's not recommended), but, until we force out the legal congress members and put regular citizens, you know, us common people, in there - a change of Presidency will have little effect. Next term, we could put a Democrat (or independent party) in office and they probably will have a platform that we could be proud of - but, with the lawyers making the decisions in legislation - the President will be powerless to do anything.

I don't think other countries realize this - they think that Bush has done all of this and he has some blame, but, 95% of the blame goes to the Senate and House of Representatives. And, it doesn't help that every President we've ever had assigns rich people, attorney's and/or high-ranking military officials to be his advisors (Cabinet). What we need to do - WHAT ALL AMERICANS NEED TO DO - is STOP campaigning against the President and his platform and look at the root of the problem. There's an underlying issue here that everyone ignores and it's the most serious.

PUT FORTH ALL EFFORT AND ENERGY IN CHANGING THE FRIGGING C O N G R E S S - then, only then, will we be able to hang our heads high. So long as LAWYERS are making the decisions, we will always have these sort of problems. Everytime I watch a Presidential debate, I always just sit and laugh at how stupid it is. I mean, I wonder how many people take this seriously. We all rush to the voting booths to cast our votes and it literally means nothing.

I want to see a real candidate step up to the plate - and it doesn't matter who it is, it could be Micky Mouse - but, if he/she built their campaign around changing our internal system and empowering the people by putting representatives in there who live amongst us and struggle next to us - then, this person's win would be a land-slid. And, we would all be awed at the difference in our society. We still need legal

Sorry, I kind of went off there on a tirade! I'm just sick and tired of people like that representing us.

P-Angel.

Dont you see how he tries to bring fight here. It's obvious that he tries to make people post more. If I were you, I would have started ignoring him because he doesnt make any sense.

dean howard was the good one of this year but he knew the ways things were so didn't talk crap;keeped it to the point and no money so that didn't happen.as an incentive i don't give a rats butt if q pats my head,totos a disrespectful bitch.tiamat stubborn and makes up own rules.

and so true im still stuck in the gutter with some of these bush party tax cuts and sending jobs overseas so they can make even more money.thier screwing everyone but thierselves.

Idiots out there.... make no senses at all—?..
I am glad that to make my points across

P-Angel, I realize that not all Americans support the war. Hell, as an Aussie I'm in the same boat as you. We've got troops in Iraq too so to the outside world it may seem that Australian people support this crap aswell.

Everyone should be proud of where they come from. I gotta tell ya, I'm damn proud to be an Australian!!

Q-bone, you confuse the hell out of me. I find a lot of what you say to be contradictive. Hard to tell whether you're a stand up guy or just taking the piss!!
I've never read or heard anything to suggest that Sadam and his lovely sons were good for Iraq. He had his followers but then so did Hitler. I'm sure there would now be a lot of Iraqis who would prefer the old days to now but that is only because they are now living in hell.

Peace out

I don't take sides q I just choose to not like the way things are done by the government.It's more of the way people are treated not a political one.It's not fun being one of the people that is stepped on in any of the given situations be it america,iraq,london,etc to feed politicians and thier buisness buddies greed.Even though you vote,protest,petition,etc all the other crap and money wins over people(the masses) toward the maniplutive side of the government which is my dislike.Although toto was stirring up poop so she had it coming,that was rude.The two of you would have had that done and over with if she hadn't of popped up.Rather than acting fisrt ask questions later,my way or the highway attitude I think it should be ask questions and negotiate first,which isn't done,they say it is but its still a agree with us or pay the price.

Hello Everyone.

I am glad I stayed away from here for a while. Too much of mud being splashed around. But I enjoy debates.

Someone pointed out that I have not returned back afer all the noise being made about Qbone's stance.

when I replied to seizeTD's Post I already acknowledged in affrimative qbone's sentiments. He took the event from a mere region based consciousness to international level. This 7/7 event is a wake up call for us western folks about what could happen to us if some action is not taken to ostp the western interference elsewhere. We actually cannot say that we cannot be victimised due to our government's policies. Teh fact is we do vote them to power and continue to so so inspite of their shameful acts.

I did put myself shoes of the Asians who have been at mercy of greedy people and realised that when people express grief over any inhuman act elsewhere the least one can do is to acknowledge their need to speak out. It is then that they will too learnto separate the "Government" from the "common people".

I have exchanged words with qbone earlier and do agree about his bullying ways . But I didn't choose to attack him now. Why? The answer is simple. It was a personal tragedy for me as two of my friends got injured. Qbone's post made me immediately connect with those universally affected by such act of terror of which we have no inkling about most of the times. He did the right thing by bringing it up. He wasn't attacking seizeTD. As people who understood him mentioned- he did express his sadness over the event.

I donot think that he was inviting sympathy of people by pointing out the tragedies happening in middle east. His post was just a reminder. about his anti-American rantings. I treat people from Asia. I am an European. All put together I understand the anti-American rantings. It is not just about being jealous about america as much as the american attitude. What right does an american tourist comng to our country has to tell us what music we have to listen to. And they insist upon it. Americans are hated not because of Bush but because of their narrow minded approach towards othercultures. and it is the american school syllabus to be blamed for it.

P-Angel you do speak like a youngster and not a mature woman that you make yourself out to be. Donot put down people who showed understanding towards qbone as a mere response to Q patting on their head. None of them- Tiamat, Looneybird or Alana seem to be bird headed to me. They seem to be very sensible women. They seem to be good friends of Qbone and hence maybe knowing him better. Maybe he is different in real life.

I could have bashed up Qbone because of my past isses with him. I didnot since I concentrated on the message. I didnot read his message with past prejudice in mind.

Lastly a message for one and all. Get over past issues and address to the issue at hand. That is the real need of hour over here.

P.S: Hey Tiamat isn't surprising that we evil, demolishen expert Scorpios have shown unconditional deep understanding here?

Folks excuse the typos. My keyboard needs to be changed.

WTF you are talking about 19Eleven? READ QBONE POSTS AND THINK THEN.

that was after toto though,i was just going to post a condolence on this one too but her post was there.shes more of the dictater of how people should and shouldn't feel about the situation.

Oh Haffo, What make syou think I have not read Qbone's posts well? I have been victimised by his attack on counsellors and I did give to him good on that. In this thread his approach was right till toto jumped in and P-angel joined him in Q bashing. He is very strong and brash in his expression. But we scorpios are thick skinend , we can control our sensitivites and concentrate on the message.

BTW I liked your point of view. You are right people are sandwiched between their own tyrannical governments and the foreign imperialists. Give such inputs.

Tiamat You maybe right. But which "she" you talking about?

toto.he/she/it not quite sure,likes to start stuff alot and make way off assumptions of the members here.in particular on cancerlady because she generally doesn't react to them,but shes pregnant now,so totos in trouble.

i think its a female from the bitter betty comment she made in the past towards cancerlady

19Eleven:

You remind me someone perfectly. A male Scorpio who was making fool of people. Do you know what happened to him? He become alone. Dont go there girl.

19Eleven,

Q said, "My attitude against some of board's member comes directly from their (previous) posts and their thoughts?! When they are presenting their ideas about things (so seriously)? their "pervious" thoughts "counts in" and my reactions are based upon those "previous thoughts".

So, apparantly, you wrote in here before taking Haffo's advise and reading his posts. By not doing this, you've contridicted yourself. I don't really care whether you think I'm mature or not and I've said numerous times in this thread that by him telling his reminder - that is a good thing, not bad. It's makes people think, just like it made you think and it prompted you to contact some people.

But, I know what part got under your skin and that's why I came back on and apologized. But, I guess that's not good enough for you. Sorry that you are so unforgiving towards me. I figured that people would take offense (other people), I mean, but I had already posted it when I realized this.

It's the bullying tactics, 19Eleven - if you don't want to see that, there is nothing to do about it, everyone has thier own choices to make. Other than using his name in my posts, I used no others - so, if anyone is feeling guilty about something, that is on them, isn't it?

Mine and Q's arguement goes way, way back - it's really just our own business, that's why everyone else stayed away. But, of course, he strokes people, where I tell people point blank and never suck up to them - so, if you want to take sides in something that is really only about him and me - then go for it.

BJ,

Actually, I was pretty surprised when Australia jumped into the, well, it's hard to come up with a word to properly put a name on the war - atrocity seems to be the most used and maybe that's appropriate. Aussie's always remained nuetral during world problems. I'm not quite sure why you guys are involved, maybe your leader was buffaloed, like a lot of other countries.

I think, didn't I hear on the news that troops were going to be pulled. It's about time, isn't it? I wish, just like I know you wish, we had power, influence, control - anything - to make a change so we can get the heck out of there. Our little voices don't seem to hold much value. We are represented by our officials and we have to deal with their choices. Is your country run by lawyers, too?

19Eleven,

Just for the sake of arguement - not that I want to argue with you, but, just so you can understand before you make an assessment.

In this thread, I responded to BJ on 7/14 @ 8:24, then @ 10:54, Q jumped in there and responded disdainfully to my words to somebody else. So, my point here is - the attacking between Q and me goes both ways, not ONE WAY - think about that, counselor.

Haffo,

What about your country? Is it run by lawyers too?

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You can say all the wonderul things to people in here, as I see you regularly do as a means of manipulation. Just pat them on the back and make them feel so warm and fuzzy and they'll believe that you are the most wonderful and endearing creature to ever walk this planet
quote unquote P-Angel
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Hello P-Angel

This is the first time that i am addressing you personally It si in reference to your post an extract of which I have pasted in begining of this message. first of dont apologise. you state your point of view, you have right to it. I am sure your intentions are good.

You have not mentioned me or anyone else specifically while making certian "observations" but it is obvious whom certain messages are directed towards.And no this is not any guilty mind responding. If this is entirely between you and Q, you keep it that way and dont mention what influence he has on other poele on this board. Because you dont know people who support Q are in actual life. each one here is perfectly adept at looking after themselves and thanx for yuor warnings and suggestion for all to read between lines of what Q says.

My main object here is not defending Q but pointing out that you are quiet misleading yourself into thinking that people here are so weak that they support Q because he manipulates them. Well if he does, according to you, which menas in your mind he is an enigma - a kind of a super hero. Well it is your view.Where i am concerned he is a friend. I wont give anybody such super human credits unless i know them personally and lived their life for quiet sometime.

Q's words for me and Alana is purely due to his respect for us. And frankly I am used to men giving me so much respect that i dont get blinded by it or wear blinders of any kind. This is because i ahve my priorities right. My appreciation for Q is based on certian qualities he has. the rest whom appreciate him..they are femme fatale in their own right..no weaklings or easily manipualted kind by any means.

If your objection is towards why some poeple dont take him up for his bullying tactics..well all i have t say there is lot of other sh!t being thrown around this boards without people giving a thought that even kids coudl be reading it. How come that is not being taken up? Infact bullying doesnot mena jsut what Q does..it is imposing any kind of environment on the board which could offend people's sensibilities and self-esteem. Which lot of people do it very sweetly in their own way in name of sexiness. Well you can say if it hurts peopel they should stop coming here. Then the same can be said to you too.

Tahnx for your time.

Hi LooneyBird,

It's nice talking to you. I won't apologize because you asked me not to. However, I will add again that I knew after I hit the send button that people would be upset, so that's why I made another post immediately after. It's very hard for most people to understand the Piscean nature - everything we do, everything we say - is all emotionally driven. Thinking and reacting rationally, or logically, only comes after we have gone through the emotional currents that direct me. It's a curse, it's not easy to deal with on my end either. Normally, it's not until after I've been on a tirade that I realize that I did it again. I meant everything I said to and about Q as far as what kind of a person I think he is, but, I could have been more tactful, or considerate (for all you other people) and I have to accept my flaws and try to overcome. I'm sincerely glad that are approaching me this way, you're very non-judgemental and that's a credit to you. I wish we could all be that way. But, we're not, and I certainly fall into that category. I really want you to understand, Looney, that I comprehended my error in that post and have tried to atone for it. So, it's up to you all to make a decision whether that's acceptable or not. I can't force you, or anyone else.

I appreciate your input on the matter. You have some valid points and whatever kind of relationship you have with other members is great, beit bad or good - for all the different forms of communication is essential for our understanding of other people.

I will add here, as I have stated before - Q and I have issues that go beyond this particular thread, that we just can't seem to overcome. Perhaps we are too much alike and that's why we can't seem to find a common ground. But, who knows, maybe some day, we will be able to come to terms with each other, right? We talk to each other very badly. I know this. I don't know if he knows it, for we can't get past strongly disliking each other to discuss this attitude we have towards each other. The funny thing is (and I've actually thought about this while not on the message boards), I have a love for Virgo's and I wonder to myself, why is it that I can get along with all of them, except him. I don't know and I'm still pondering that.

I must say, though, it does bother me that people can see how I can be a witch to him, but, nobody can see where he acts like an arse towards me. I don't expect you, or anyone else to address this, I am just mentioning it because I do think about stuff, even if it appears that I don't. I carry stuff like this around all the time, like an old suitcase that you just don't have the heart to toss out. He hates me and that's obvious, and that's ok, really. I just want you to know that I do reflect on myself and the things I do, or say.

Anyway, thank you for your concerns about this. You must be a Cancer, I'll have to go look after posting this - for you crabs (if you're one) seem to know how to talk to me without getting my dander up. I'm highly strung and easily excitable - now if I could just find a way to channel that excitment towards funner stuff, I'd be set, right?

Peace

Well...

I'm still proud to be an American but whoever said that about how we go to other countries and expect them to conform to us...Well that is totally true.

Not for all Americans but for alot of them. Can't deny that...

Cancerlady

(Tiamat...I have become a bit more agressive, I didn't think anyone noticed)

Me too, C-Lady! I know we've done bad in this world, but the USA has done good, too. We've helped people and hurt people, so I guess we're just human, afterall.

One of these days, I'll go into smileycentral - then, I can wave my flag, too.

I didn't notice your aggression CancerLady. You defend yourself, but, that's ok.

Yeah but usually I just laugh and ignore them...or I try to explain myself so they can understand where I am coming from, but now I am like SCREW YOU!

CL

Hi

I am glad P-Angel that you didnt take my post to you badly. I wanted to make a point and am happy that you could see it. Yeah I knwo how far the issue between you and Q goes back to. I have left those posts alone if you have noticed. They really didnt make much sense to me. I post when I knwo I can contribute. In the past though i have reacted emotionally but this is due to the freedom of expression and convenience that one experinces on the medium of internet. But soem people like Branh pointed out when i started getting too personal. So I tonned down the personalised quality of my posts.

I do understand the Piscean emotionalism. Yes, I am a cancerian and a double cancerian at that. It is very easy for me to tune into a Piscean mind and heart.

BTW I am half American as my Papa is a good ole boy from Texas. But being born and brought up in Asia, I do understand and fully comprehend the Asian issues. I have the advantage of seeing the western side and the Asian side very clearly. So I try to make the westerners over here to understand why so much anguish is there against the westerners specially the Americans. And I am happy to know that the wolrd today is moving towards better understanding than before. So let's hope for a better future.
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This will be the last post for this topic since most likely there will be more personal arguements from here on out between people.Again not being a side taker,I love you both for what you bring in for conversations,BUT your not really a helpless victem if you don't vote and protest.The government DOES NOT have that much power over the people in america.Q has his moments as well as you do p-angel,he does have a point in one of his post that is too focused on the negative part.The pick a side or shut up,but if you shut up and take it that doesn't help anything be changed,thats what not voting and protesting does,it keeps things the same for the people in power now.It also makes the protesting by people like me pointless because there isn't enough people to overthrow it.You've already proven your not an ignorant,heartless person who doesn't like the way things are so whats really wrong with getting involved with the protesting and voting that WILL change the way things for the better.It is possible if you put forth the effort to get it done.