Was I wrong for this?

So on this cold, brisk, winter night, I decided to saunter up to the local 7-11 to buy a pack of Newports.Once inside,I noticed a homeless man at the counter, paying for his hot coffee in change.As I waited for him to finish paying,cent by cent, I began to smell a smell that I never smelled before.And it was quite possibly THEE foulest odor known to humanity.I realized the powerful scent was coming out of this impecunious being at the counter, so I took a few steps back, then a couple more steps back,and some more, until I was no longer at the counter, but near the soda pop section in the back of the store.Once the vagrant was done paying, habib shouted to me "Sir, what would you like?". I walked up, paid for my squares, and left out.Upon leaving, I noticed the homeless man had slipped and fell near the side of the store. He was in an awkward position on his knees & hunched over a bit to the right,and his coffee was spilled on the ground.I looked at him momentarily, and walked around him just as swiftly.As I neared my comfortable and warm residence, I pondered "should I have at least asked him if he was ok?".And what makes matters worse was he looked like white Jesus himself.smh


I told my cancer fiancee of the incident, and she said I was selfish and should go back out and see if he was alright..I told her I had already sincerely, yet briefly, thought about helping him, so therefore im not selfish.

now was I wrong?

bitch u know you is selfish and u don't need us to help u justify what you didn't do.....do not even try to deny that you don't give a fuck about that poor homeless bastard you had a thought about him, what is gonna do with that?

Its one thing to think about positive thoughts but its a whole different ball game to physically manifest them and create your own reality and the reality you created for yourself is one where you don't give a fuck about people lol

I think you should accept you are a dick. Here's a few reasons.
First of all my nigga if humble habib said my nigga you would be flipping out based on your profile lmfao.
So why refer to a middle eastern man by that slur?

Secondly. Any decent person would ask if he's okay lol.

But hey I'm in a bad mood rn...
I might feel different about this situation tomorrow.

Posted by warmwaters
I think you should accept you are a dick. Here's a few reasons.
First of all my nigga if humble habib said my nigga you would be flipping out based on your profile lmfao.
So why refer to a middle eastern man by that slur?

Secondly. Any decent person would ask if he's okay lol.

But hey I'm in a bad mood rn...
I might feel different about this situation tomorrow.

You so crazy. Black people are allowed to be racist. It's only bad if white people are involved and in control. Haven't you been reading dxp lately.😆

Pls south carolina.
sit down and wave your confederate flag lol.

im too sober to deal with the white mans plight rn.

Posted by DAMEN VI
So on this cold, brisk, winter night, I decided to saunter up to the local 7-11 to buy a pack of Newports.Once inside,I noticed a homeless man at the counter, paying for his hot coffee in change.As I waited for him to finish paying,cent by cent, I began to smell a smell that I never smelled before.And it was quite possibly THEE foulest odor known to humanity.I realized the powerful scent was coming out of this impecunious being at the counter, so I took a few steps back, then a couple more steps back,and some more, until I was no longer at the counter, but near the soda pop section in the back of the store.Once the vagrant was done paying, habib shouted to me "Sir, what would you like?". I walked up, paid for my squares, and left out.Upon leaving, I noticed the homeless man had slipped and fell near the side of the store. He was in an awkward position on his knees & hunched over a bit to the right,and his coffee was spilled on the ground.I looked at him momentarily, and walked around him just as swiftly.As I neared my comfortable and warm residence, I pondered "should I have at least asked him if he was ok?".And what makes matters worse was he looked like white Jesus himself.smh


I told my cancer fiancee of the incident, and she said I was selfish and should go back out and see if he was alright..I told her I had already sincerely, yet briefly, thought about helping him...

... but decided not to.


lol

Posted by DAMEN VI
... so therefore im not selfish.

now was I wrong?

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And you'll be the first one crying about some perceived injustice,

next week.

Remember this.

I take that back... just do the

right thing next time.

That's all any of us can do.

Bitch ass nigga that was so damn selfish and just evil of you man. A mad racist and selfish as hell. Man you come with a bunch of labels to make the packaging don't you? You could've at least helped him up bastard. You damn right you selfish and wrong you little conceited dick.

99% of the white knights in this thread wold have passed him too irl

I see humans but I see no humanity. I'm not going to disrespect you OP, all I'm going to say is that you lack compassion. A simple are you okay would have made a whole lot of difference, changing a shitty night of "I'm homeless, I smell like death and I just spent the last of my money and I freaking spilled my coffee." If that was me in that situation I would feel like dogshit. If you had at least offered to help you could have given him hope and remind him that there are people who still care in this world. I would encourage everyone to volunteer if you have the chance. Hopefully it will give you perspective on life. I'm truly disappointed at what I read in this post. These "scum" are still human beings and you can give them food instead of money. The reason these people might be so bitter is because of the contempt of others who don't see them as a person but "scum". I guess nobody has watched Intervention, you don't know these people may have gone through and that's why they fell into addiction or homelessness. I used to volunteer at a food pantry and I've seen people try to cheat the system and I've seen people pretend to be homeless when they really not; but that's not an excuse to say "Oh I won't help anyone because some people don't deserve it and I don't want them taking advantage of my good natured self." You're basically saying piss off the 90% of people who legitimately do need help out of spite for the 10% who don't. The percentage is an example and not based on fact, just an FYI before someone asks me to cite a source.

Posted by hydorah
99% of the white knights in this thread wold have passed him too irl

I'm no white knight and is that seriously supposed to be an insult to men who care?

Has anyone on here ever been camping? Have you ever been flooded out of your tent when it rained or you were damp and it was miserable in your tent because you were wet and it was fucked and you just wanted your warm bed at home?....

Well I know that feeling and I'll never forget one winter night I was living in sydney and it was pissing down raining and I hear a mentally ill/ junkie/ homeless/ woman/ scum a fucking adult person crying like a child walking down the street at 2 in the morning saying "I want my mummy" and her cry was so guttural and raw and I knew she didn't have a home to go to and I'm tearing up thinking about her now because I laid in my warm bed with my boyfriend at the time staring at the ceiling wondering if I should let her into my apartment to sleep in the hallway but we lived in a bad neighbourhood and no one is allowed to let strangers into the apartment so I didn't do anything about it but I know if I had my own place id I wouldn't be above giving them a hot shower clean clothes and dinner because that is the holy trinity of all that is good next to a warm bed and its something we take for granted every day and we turn our noses up at the people who don't have it and avoid them like they have the plague and its fucked!

Posted by KVZZMIR11
If you can stand outside of 7/11 asking for chump change you can ALSO go inside and ask for a job interview.

WHY IS THIS SO DIFFICULT?!

You are young, able bodied, and speak fluent English!

The guy didn't ask for a thing... he didn't even speak to the op.

This is something the op observed.

He used change.... jeez

you don't owe help to anybody, society is based on exploitation and savagery and helping an homeless guy who dropped his coffee in front of you isn't important.

But none of this matter, because it's a fucking cup of coffee we're talking about. Coffee has 0 nutritional value and is more poison than food.
Plus going cold turkey that day could have led to him rethinking his life priorities. It's a win situation. It would have been more dramatic if he had dropped orange juice or sthg.

Wow, that was pretty cold, and this is a part of what's wrong with the world. People stop looking at the person and only look at the cover, the judgements begin, we think we know what the truth is based on the cover, the stereotype, and we forget one very important thing: that person is an individual with feelings, with burdens, with problems, too. Nice clothes, a place to live, and a job doesn't make a person any better, or even "good" any more than being dirty, homeless, or poor makes a person "bad".

If someone fell and split their drink as you were walking past you would not even ask if they are okay or need assistance maybe they have back problems.

my god..
Y'all are lost.

Your just focused on the fact he's homeless like he's still not a person..

You have a warm home and have love in your life and this your attitude?

Some people deserve neither..

Posted by hydorah
you don't owe help to anybody, society is based on exploitation and savagery and helping an homeless guy who dropped his coffee in front of you isn't important.

But none of this matter, because it's a fucking cup of coffee we're talking about. Coffee has 0 nutritional value and is more poison than food.
Plus going cold turkey that day could have led to him rethinking his life priorities. It's a win situation. It would have been more dramatic if he had dropped orange juice or sthg.

What a ridiculous thing to say.

lol

Posted by KVZZMIR11

Posted by Montgomery
He used change.... jeez

Either way OP played it safe IMO
and I am sure your "holier than thou" self would have done the same.

BRB "bum" robs you at gunpoint

BRB when you are lifting "bum" up by his right hand, he'll stab you with the left.

Truth be said, if OP had pat/searched the bum down the bum probably had more money than the OP himself. And OP will either going to find liquor/weed on the bum...

Guaranteed!

Weed?

Doubt it... as well as the story, at this point.

Regardless

I wouldn't recommend anyone approach the guy--

no one who's seen Silence of the Lambs would.

I would go back in the store and tell the proprietor

to call an ambulance.

Or...

Posted by Impulsv
Yesterday while driving The street I saw a man on wheel chair topple over into the street. I had to drive straight n could stop. I hope someone got out n picked him up. Felt bad I didn't turn back but hope someone would.

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... I was on the expressway (freeway for those of you out west... 3 or 4 lanes across)

in 5 o'clock traffic, and there was a girl whose car had stalled in the middle lane.

Traffic was slowing down dramatically because of it, and I could see that she was

freaked out as I passed her.

I called the police-- non-emergency number (yes, it's in my phone) to tell them,

and to see if I needed to call 911... that's what they're there for.

And that's my go-to when it isn't safe or feasible for me to do something myself.

That's not a stab at you, impulsv... just an option for when you don't know wtf to do.

Monty, you can call 911 from your cell while driving for reporting possible dangers. I've done it a couple of times, once for a stray dog that was on the fwy, and another time when a guy tried running me off the freeway, and continued to drive that way with other drivers ahead of me.

Posted by MoonArtist
Monty, you can call 911 from your cell while driving for reporting possible dangers. I've done it a couple of times, once for a stray dog that was on the fwy, and another time when a guy tried running me off the freeway, and continued to drive that way with other drivers ahead of me.

Definitely. 🙂

I've done that, as well, when the situation warranted.

And damn... that's frightening being near a crazy/drunk driver--

not to mention dangerous. smh

You have to be really careful about helping people like this homeless guy you never know you could get knifed.

I can see helping a ordinary citizen that has fallen but these rubbies that walk the streets they are bad news you don't know what kind of diseases they may have. What you may think could be a good deed could turn into you having a life threatening injury.

Posted by CluelessCancer
People are so judgmental and so fake.

I loathe bums. They stink. They stink up the museums, the buses, everywhere they go, they just smell it up.

I probably would have bought a new coffee and gave it to him without touching him but basically making sure we make zero contact and asked him if he was okay.

thats about it, still hate the homeless and you can berate me all day and night, but fuking god there are services, take a shower.

So what?

You still would have done something like the right thing.

Posted by PastelPlum


If I were u i'd probably leave as well without doing anything.

this is the reality, I'm blaming all the soap boxing on the faux xmas spirit.

non-emergency call: "Yes officer, I would like to report a spilt coffee at 23rd and Pacific. Homeless man down!" lmao...

I'd ask him if he was ok tho... from a distance

Posted by The_eleventh_sign_11
bitch u know you is selfish and u don't need us to help u justify what you didn't do.....do not even try to deny that you don't give a fuck about that poor homeless bastard you had a thought about him, what is gonna do with that?

Its one thing to think about positive thoughts but its a whole different ball game to physically manifest them and create your own reality and the reality you created for yourself is one where you don't give a fuck about people lol

the irony of a man that allows penis to be inserted into their anal cavity for pleasure calling a heterosexual male a bitch lol

Posted by warmwaters
I think you should accept you are a dick. Here's a few reasons.
First of all my nigga if humble habib said my nigga you would be flipping out based on your profile lmfao.
So why refer to a middle eastern man by that slur?

Secondly. Any decent person would ask if he's okay lol.

But hey I'm in a bad mood rn...
I might feel different about this situation tomorrow.

Habib = nigger now ?

Because it actually means "friend"..go read a book next time before you speak to me

Posted by Montgomery
I take that back... just do the

right thing next time.

That's all any of us can do.

i think what i did was just fine all things considered *shrugs*

he could've had ebola for all i know

Posted by Sn1p3r187
Bitch ass nigga that was so damn selfish and just evil of you man. A mad racist and selfish as hell. Man you come with a bunch of labels to make the packaging don't you? You could've at least helped him up bastard. You damn right you selfish and wrong you little conceited dick.

Lol

im not racist..i've fucked a few caucasian females in my day.

who knows, i might have even impregnated your whorish mother..as i am sure by your effiminate tendencies you didnt have an adult male figure in your life

Posted by backtokemet
I'm not the judge of right or wrong but it was selfish to leave him like that .. you could have bought him some deodorant

Lol nah he only cared about getting coffee, so therefore he's choosing to stink

Posted by djbuck1
You already know you were wrong.

There will be a "next time." Do the right thing.

if it wasnt so cold out & he didnt smell like cat piss mixed wit horse shit then i might've helped him up..

that wind gust last nite was cutting through my soul..i could delay myself from the warmth of my home for anybody at that moment

Self preservation is the 1st law of nature my friend

^^ i couldnt delay*

Posted by RainDancer88
You really never at least said "hello, can I help you?"

That's common courtesy displayed to all life. At least you could've called am ambulance for the man after you saw he had fallen.

I get you don't want to be involved but the fact it's ate at you enough to write to here shows you're aware of the guilt you feel.

Next time an opportunity arises, volunteer yourself, giving is a habit that fulfills you. Don't turn a blind eye the next time, you never know when the person who needs help could you.

Posted by xy
I think almost everyone is guilty of playing passive when they shouldn't have.

At least you felt guilty?

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I didnt feel guilty..my fiancee brought it to my attention like i SHOULD'VE felt that way though

Posted by RainDancer88
Topic aside, you write beautifully (to the OP)

I love reading threads that remind me of a paragraph in a novel. The descriptive use of words were used well.

thank you young lady

Posted by MoonArtist
Wow, that was pretty cold, and this is a part of what's wrong with the world. People stop looking at the person and only look at the cover, the judgements begin, we think we know what the truth is based on the cover, the stereotype, and we forget one very important thing: that person is an individual with feelings, with burdens, with problems, too. Nice clothes, a place to live, and a job doesn't make a person any better, or even "good" any more than being dirty, homeless, or poor makes a person "bad".

if you let yourself go to waste totally then i cant have too much sympathy for that person..he had all of his limbs, and i dont think he was a full retard either, so its no excuse for his life choice.

Posted by Impulsv
Yesterday while driving The street I saw a man on wheel chair topple over into the street. I had to drive straight n could stop. I hope someone got out n picked him up. Felt bad I didn't turn back but hope someone would.

LMAO

Posted by Arielle83
I think you're typical and cliche. Probably grew up with a closed minded attitude, and scared of the big OTHER. You are afraid of what you don't understand, so you judge to make yourself feel superior. It's all typical and unoriginal...in fact it's boring. Why did you even create a thread when you know you are a dime a dozen? Was this for attention? Doesn't your cancer girlfriend give you enough of that? Does she blow you after you brag about your superiority complex? Do you guys get off on that?

Other than that. You can answer your own question. And if you can't you're also dumb. So ya dumb and unoriginal, how did you score a cancer gf? She must be typical like yourself.

Since your an admitted schizo, i gotta ask: is this your "other" personality speaking? or is "arielle"?

Posted by AirMan
you know its craze lunatic shit like this that gets under my skin. selfish, ungrateful people that won't help others out or in this case....up. ***SMH***. this only goes to show that the OP is a worthless human of a being. ain't NO damn way i could just pass by someone (stink or not) and don't lend a hand or try to do what i can for that person to retreat to my warm home. dude, you need some virgo in your chart.

Lol, man please..a virgo would've threw up on him once they got a whiff of that putrid stench he had

Posted by DAMEN VI

Posted by Sn1p3r187
Bitch ass nigga that was so damn selfish and just evil of you man. A mad racist and selfish as hell. Man you come with a bunch of labels to make the packaging don't you? You could've at least helped him up bastard. You damn right you selfish and wrong you little conceited dick.

Lol

im not racist..i've fucked a few caucasian females in my day.

who knows, i might have even impregnated your whorish mother..as i am sure by your effiminate tendencies you didnt have an adult male figure in your life

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Uh huh. Be sure you tell your girlfriend I want $ 5 dollars back. She didn't show me a good time last night. And stop talking about male adult figures like you know something because I know your dad is dodging child support at the moment

Posted by shellshocker

Posted by PastelPlum


If I were u i'd probably leave as well without doing anything.

this is the reality, I'm blaming all the soap boxing on the faux xmas spirit.

non-emergency call: "Yes officer, I would like to report a spilt coffee at 23rd and Pacific. Homeless man down!" lmao...

I'd ask him if he was ok tho... from a distance

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Perfect example right here..

lol@ all the fake ass saints in this thread,smh

Posted by shellshocker

Posted by PastelPlum

there's no point asking if he was ok. If you want to help, make it count?

If I were u i'd probably leave as well without doing anything. but what I might do is call some kind of authority that could place him and let him bathe/ have his clothes washed. I'm not sure if the community police would give a hoot, but if not, then a homeless shelter. That is, if the scene touched me into action. Else I'd just leave. I mean I don't wish to mess with someone who could potentially spell trouble for me. Cynical but that's the passerby.

this is the reality, I'm blaming all the soap boxing on the faux xmas spirit.

non-emergency call: "Yes officer, I would like to report a spilt coffee at 23rd and Pacific. Homeless man down!" lmao...

I'd ask him if he was ok tho... from a distance

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I'm confused-- what is the reality?


You've posted the exact opposite of the poster's quote

(which I took the liberty of putting in context), though

you seem to believe they've really captured the gist of

your feelings in this matter?


That coupled with the video you've posted, and the mockery, I'm

thinking I've misjudged you-- a bit of clarification on your part

would be great.

@Montgomery
I meant... I would ask him if he was ok = knowing full well that it is a meaningless, mostly self serving gesture that "shows" concern for someone as a human being. But really, i could still have that concerned thought without saying a word. Both have the same result... nothing. The reality is I wouldn't go out of my way to truly help a smelly guy that spilt his coffee.

Most people (on here as well) wouldn't do a damn thing... the reasons WHY they wouldn't do anything are various.

Would you really call the police? I doubt it... but if you did that would be even more self serving. Would that make you feel like a good samaritan? What are they going to do? Let's hope that in the very unlikely event that a cop cruiser pulls up over a SPILT COFFEE... that the homeless guy isn't a "person of suspicion". Who knows where that could lead.

The only person that could really do anything for the guy is the store clerk by replacing the spilt coffee.

Posted by DAMEN VI

Posted by MoonArtist
Wow, that was pretty cold, and this is a part of what's wrong with the world. People stop looking at the person and only look at the cover, the judgements begin, we think we know what the truth is based on the cover, the stereotype, and we forget one very important thing: that person is an individual with feelings, with burdens, with problems, too. Nice clothes, a place to live, and a job doesn't make a person any better, or even "good" any more than being dirty, homeless, or poor makes a person "bad".

if you let yourself go to waste totally then i cant have too much sympathy for that person..he had all of his limbs, and i dont think he was a full retard either, so its no excuse for his life choice.

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It shouldn't matter what he's wearing, what he smells like, etc. All that should matter is an old guy tripped and spilled his coffee, and one that seems to have a hard life. A simple kindness wouldn't put you out that much.

Everyone with the "white knighting" comments, here's a thought on the subject. If people will largely look the other way and not help a person in a simple situation like someone tripping or falling, and all because of how he looks/smells, how much more reluctant would everyone be if they saw him getting kicked and beat by a couple of thuggy kids? What about if it was a cleaner looking person? My point is this: if we won't be put out over small things, we will only be that much more less willing when things matter, because we've convinced ourselves that someone else will do it, someone else will step in, why should we be the ones to be inconvenienced, or put ourselves at risk? This is the same attitude that allowed the Nazis to have so much power without a lot of opposition while they systematically practiced genocide.

Posted by shellshocker

@Montgomery
I meant... I would ask him if he was ok = knowing full well that it is a meaningless, mostly self serving gesture that "shows" concern for someone as a human being. But really, i could still have that concerned thought without saying a word. Both have the same result... nothing. The reality is I wouldn't go out of my way to truly help a smelly guy that spilt his coffee.

Most people (on here as well) wouldn't do a damn thing... the reasons WHY they wouldn't do anything are various.

Would you really call the police? I doubt it... but if you did that would be even more self serving. Would that make you feel like a good samaritan? What are they going to do? Let's hope that in the very unlikely event that a cop cruiser pulls up over a SPILT COFFEE... that the homeless guy isn't a "person of suspicion". Who knows where that could lead.

The only person that could really do anything for the guy is the store clerk by replacing the spilt coffee.

This isn't about "... a smelly guy that spilt his coffee."

Posted by DAMEN VI
Upon leaving, I noticed the homeless man had slipped and fell near the side of the store.
He was in an awkward position on his knees & hunched over a bit to the right...

The implication here is that the man is hurt.

That he SPILT HIS COFFEE merely added insult to injury...

not sure why you're honing in on that as though it was

the only casualty, here.

I assume it's an effort to minimize what actually took place,

but I have no idea why.


As for what I would do... I covered that, already.

Posted by Montgomery

I would go back in the store and tell the proprietor

to call an ambulance.

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Believe it or not, 911 dispatches ambulances to the injured.

Imagine that.


Thanks for the (disappointing) clarification.

@montgomery - you're assuming that this guy was seriously hurt. There was no blood, he's not collapsed on the ground or is he crying for help.

Posted by DAMEN VI
if it wasnt so cold out & he didnt smell like cat piss mixed wit horse shit then i might've helped him up..

When someone trips and falls generally first response is not to call the police or an ambulance. If the guy was stabbed or something that's a different story.

Airman is really the only person who's been genuine in his response. He specifically said he would have helped this guy up and it wouldn't matter if he was stinking or not. Most people haven't even stated what they would do themselves... only that they would get someone else involved. (police, ambulance, store clerk etc.)

I wouldn't touch a smelly homeless man because he fell (on his knees in an awkward position). Would you have helped him up? Why not call 911 yourself why would you ask the store clerk to do it? I don't think passing the responsibility of helping this guy onto someone else is praise worthy.

Posted by PastelPlum
^^ agreed Montogomery.

I think diff. ppl view this in a different context here. For me it isn't at all about spilt coffee. It's about his stench and who could live in that state definitely does not have the right resources to look after their basic needs. Probably he does not even have access to bathing facilities.

If you're looking at spilt coffee, the point there is definitely missed, although, I see the point of shellshocker when they said asking a courtesy question is just that.

However, now if you help this one homeless person, they must really mean alot to you, because it's not fair to the other 1000 homeless ppl that they get no help.

So yeah, I believe the OP is mostly concerned about what is thought of him at face value

Let's say it's not a homeless guy, but a regular guy who slipped and overturned his coffee in front of your face, soiling his shirt. Yep, that would be rude if you would not ask "you ok?". For this scenario, "you ok?" is an understatement, because it's obv that he's not ok.

I only want to comment on what is in bold (other than that, you're probably

just fine)--

The '... other 1000 homeless people' did not fall and injure themselves

in your presence.

Why are you looking at them like a collective, instead of individuals?

Keep in mind, this guy hasn't asked for a damn thing in this scenario--

his crime is not bathing and tbh... there are plenty of employed idiots

who don't bathe, so ... ?

Posted by shellshocker
@montgomery - you're assuming that this guy was seriously hurt. There was no blood, he's not collapsed on the ground or is he crying for help.

Posted by DAMEN VI
if it wasnt so cold out & he didnt smell like cat piss mixed wit horse shit then i might've helped him up..

When someone trips and falls generally first response is not to call the police or an ambulance. If the guy was stabbed or something that's a different story.

Airman is really the only person who's been genuine in his response. He specifically said he would have helped this guy up and it wouldn't matter if he was stinking or not. Most people haven't even stated what they would do themselves... only that they would get someone else involved. (police, ambulance, store clerk etc.)

I wouldn't touch a smelly homeless man because he fell (on his knees in an awkward position). Would you have helped him up? Why not call 911 yourself why would you ask the store clerk to do it? I don't think passing the responsibility of helping this guy onto someone else is praise worthy.

Because he

a.) needs to know; it's his responsibility


b.) needs to pay for the injury, if conditions outside his store

were not up to par-- and likely, he's going to need to call his lawyer


c.) I already covered, but let me repost in context so you don't have

to go back in the thread...

Posted by Montgomery
Regardless

I wouldn't recommend anyone approach the guy--

no one who's seen Silence of the Lambs would.

I would go back in the store and tell the proprietor

to call an ambulance.

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Safety issue-- he could just as easily be a grifter on the take.

I'm going for the safe route.


Anything else... ?

I would've stopped and asked if he was ok. The smell wouldn't have mattered to me. Having said that..I don't judge anyone who would decide otherwise. I'm not doing it because it's the moral thing to do..it's just how I am.