Was I wrong for this? (Page 2)

If anyone collapses or runs into trouble on the street..

Do not call for a general help..everyone will expect others to step up.

You need to pinpoint the first person you see and ask for help "Help me, Sir with the red jacket!". It will make them unfreeze and come to you. And then the rest will join in as well.

Posted by Damnata
If anyone collapses or runs into trouble on the street..

Do not call for a general help..everyone will expect others to step up.

You need to pinpoint the first person you see and ask for help "Help me, Sir with the red jacket!". It will make them unfreeze and come to you. And then the rest will join in as well.

It sounds like you have taken First Aid and Emergency Response classes, same with me.

I fell in a store a few weeks ago but I won't go into details. I wouldn't judge anybody for how they react in real life because some people don't handle those situations well, some go moral, some stick to legalities, some do nothing.

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Posted by Damnata
If anyone collapses or runs into trouble on the street..

Do not call for a general help..everyone will expect others to step up.

You need to pinpoint the first person you see and ask for help "Help me, Sir with the red jacket!". It will make them unfreeze and come to you. And then the rest will join in as well.

It sounds like you have taken First Aid and Emergency Response classes, same with me.

I fell in a store a few weeks ago but I won't go into details. I wouldn't judge anybody for how they react in real life because some people don't handle those situations well, some go moral, some stick to legalities, some do nothing.

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Some just freeze. Nothing passes through their mind..not connected to morality. I can't blame that..I've had my share of freezing.

Whatever we say on this topic..if we try our best to be good people no matter how we do it..it's all good. For every one who would not stop to help..someone else would. Let's not crucify the first category here.

In the end..a lot of people who said they'd help..might find themselves in a situation where they freeze.

A lot who said they wouldn't...would have an instinct to help under some circumstances.

It balances out in the end.

It would be different if there was no one in sight in a deserted area and you're the only one who could act. But then we're branching into neverending scenarios of do/do not here.

I have faith in people.

Posted by PastelPlum
If ya'll cared so much you'd start homeless foundations.

Bullshit.

Posted by PastelPlum
How many ppl do you pass from the street that you feel slight pity for but do nothing, or look away. This is just one incident..

It's like the social experiment GAGs to see how many ppl would help but not all would. It would depend on the gender, appearance, smell, and inclination. Plus, passerby effect = someone else would help.

again, talk and action are different. you won't be surprised that someone who says they will do something won't do it in the real situation. AND vice versa.

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lol

You don't know me, dear.


Further, those experiments look to be done in large cities, where 'bums'

regularly drink themselves into stupor-- no one sees them anymore (not an

excuse... just reality), unfortunately.


If you did that social experiment in small midwest towns or in

the southern states... you'd see a much different reaction.

Or maybe even in London, based on tizi's response. 🙂

Posted by DarkFire
Bathing is overrated.

Really how much do people need to bathe in one day?

Some 2-3 times everyday.

Anyway the chemicals (chlorine) they use to purify and clean the tap water is deadly if consumed, and have bad long term affects.

Really 1 shower every 3 days is fine for a human, given its not summertime or your not completely covered in filth.

The homeless man bathes in the aqueduct, so think of all the water he saves.

Heh... I was talking about this variety.

Posted by feby
Fact is he could be someone's father and he's definitely someone's son. Whether it's his fault or not that he's homeless is irrevelant. He's a human being.

Fact is a good father or son would never end up in that position..

he was either an addict,a lazy bastard or had a negative personality in general..none of which most people wants to deal with over time

truthfully,i can respect a bum that turns to a life of crime more than one that chooses to lay in his filth all day with his hand out..at least committing crime shows some type of motivation, and if & when he gets caught, he'll be provided food & shelter

Posted by DAMEN VI
So on this cold, brisk, winter night, I decided to saunter up to the local 7-11 to buy a pack of Newports.Once inside,I noticed a homeless man at the counter, paying for his hot coffee in change.As I waited for him to finish paying,cent by cent, I began to smell a smell that I never smelled before.And it was quite possibly THEE foulest odor known to humanity.I realized the powerful scent was coming out of this impecunious being at the counter, so I took a few steps back, then a couple more steps back,and some more, until I was no longer at the counter, but near the soda pop section in the back of the store.Once the vagrant was done paying, habib shouted to me "Sir, what would you like?". I walked up, paid for my squares, and left out.Upon leaving, I noticed the homeless man had slipped and fell near the side of the store. He was in an awkward position on his knees & hunched over a bit to the right,and his coffee was spilled on the ground.I looked at him momentarily, and walked around him just as swiftly.As I neared my comfortable and warm residence, I pondered "should I have at least asked him if he was ok?".And what makes matters worse was he looked like white Jesus himself.smh


I told my cancer fiancee of the incident, and she said I was selfish and should go back out and see if he was alright..I told her I had already sincerely, yet briefly, thought about helping him, so therefore im not selfish.

now was I wrong?

Yes, you will one day possibly face a similar situation of being down and nobody will be there to pick u up. Guess what karmic flashback will unveil...?

Posted by tiziani
Like I said I don't think it's about what's right or wrong,
it's just about the kind of person you want to be.

/thread

Posted by DAMEN VI

if you let yourself go to waste totally then i cant have too much sympathy for that person..he had all of his limbs, and i dont think he was a full retard either, so its no excuse for his life choice.

Yeap, how good it is we all have the exact same opportunities and abilities in life.

Socially, financally, psychologically.

http://www.wimp.com/winningticket/<BR>
Watch this video!! People that have so little usually give so much.

Posted by tiziani
Like I said I don't think it's about what's right or wrong,
it's just about the kind of person you want to be.

precious words

This right here is the answer to most of our questions when we are standing in front of our own conscience with a choice to make.

Think I found a proper answer to my own concerns these days 🙂

Posted by PastelPlum
It's a matter of who you are, not who you want to be. "Who you want to be" doesn't make sense. empty talk.

And those people pushing for conscience in such a small topic such as if it's life or death are truly cray. I think they'd be the first to run in a situation where someone really needs help and is in danger.

There's your problem, slick-- the rest of us are just evolving like

crazy and you're stuck in a big fat rut.


I think you just have a deep-seated need to be contentious, and you'll

say whatever it takes... no matter how nonsensical it sounds.

Posted by RainDancer88
In the end, are we not all the same bag of bones destined to die?

Tell me what you gain by turning a blind eye?

Wow. I loved that.

what about astrological aspects related to

guilt feeling

victim behavior

inferiority complex

bad luck

attracted by changes despite fear of change

self-dissipation

family karma

etc?

Posted by The_eleventh_sign_11
bitch u know you is selfish and u don't need us to help u justify what you didn't do.....do not even try to deny that you don't give a fuck about that poor homeless bastard you had a thought about him, what is gonna do with that?

Its one thing to think about positive thoughts but its a whole different ball game to physically manifest them and create your own reality and the reality you created for yourself is one where you don't give a fuck about people lol

LMFAO!!!!! HA!!

Posted by aquapiscescusp

Posted by DAMEN VI
So on this cold, brisk, winter night, I decided to saunter up to the local 7-11 to buy a pack of Newports.Once inside,I noticed a homeless man at the counter, paying for his hot coffee in change.As I waited for him to finish paying,cent by cent, I began to smell a smell that I never smelled before.And it was quite possibly THEE foulest odor known to humanity.I realized the powerful scent was coming out of this impecunious being at the counter, so I took a few steps back, then a couple more steps back,and some more, until I was no longer at the counter, but near the soda pop section in the back of the store.Once the vagrant was done paying, habib shouted to me "Sir, what would you like?". I walked up, paid for my squares, and left out.Upon leaving, I noticed the homeless man had slipped and fell near the side of the store. He was in an awkward position on his knees & hunched over a bit to the right,and his coffee was spilled on the ground.I looked at him momentarily, and walked around him just as swiftly.As I neared my comfortable and warm residence, I pondered "should I have at least asked him if he was ok?".And what makes matters worse was he looked like white Jesus himself.smh


I told my cancer fiancee of the incident, and she said I was selfish and should go back out and see if he was alright..I told her I had already sincerely, yet briefly, thought about helping him, so therefore im not selfish.

now was I wrong?

Yes, you will one day possibly face a similar situation of being down and nobody will be there to pick u up. Guess what karmic flashback will unveil...?

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karma doesn't work like that

you see all the videos posted in here of people walking by bums in need of help? do you really think that they should or will someday be in a situation like the bums JUST because they walked by them without helping? pffft, you can't be serious

karma imo would take effect if i had decided for some morbid reason to curse at,punch or kick the bum while he was down..

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Posted by DAMEN VI

if you let yourself go to waste totally then i cant have too much sympathy for that person..he had all of his limbs, and i dont think he was a full retard either, so its no excuse for his life choice.

Yeap, how good it is we all have the exact same opportunities and abilities in life.

Socially, financally, psychologically.

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you don't know his life story, just as well as i don't...

but, as i mentioned before, i DO know that he was white, had all of his limbs, and didn't seem retarded..so he pretty much had it better then a lot of people in america based of that.why he chose not to take advantage of his advantage, i have no idea..

Posted by size zero superhero

Posted by DAMEN VI

Fact is a good father or son would never end up in that position..

he was either an addict,a lazy bastard or had a negative personality in general..none of which most people wants to deal with over time

Not necessarily so.

Jim Carrey had to live in his car for a while. The entrepreneur who started the Paul Mitchell haircare/styling product/school & salon line was homeless prior to finding success. Ella Fitzgerald admitted she endured a homeless stint, as did the magician Harry Houdini(formerly a street beggar)as well Charlie Chaplin & Halle Berry were temporarily on the streets & sleeping in homeless shelters pre-fame.

People can & do turn their lives around for better. Granted, most don't attain the level of success illustrated above(more likely they'll upgrade to gainful employment & a residence rather than move into a manor with a couple mil in the bank).

The point is; it's unfair to try & assess someone's value as a human being via their lowest lows & darkest hour, so to speak.

We don't know the real story as to why the "bum" ended up on the streets, thus assuming the worst of strangers is not only pointless but also a logical fallacy. After all, not all wealthy people became so due to work & determination. Many 1% ers were simply born into cash whereas others are like the sex offender in Florida who recently won $ 3m in the lottery.

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im sure everybody you mentioned were young when they went through that down time as well, their dreams kept them alive..this guy was at least 60 years of age..his dreams are done..he failed at life and is now getting punished for it. that's it.

Posted by munchykin
I think you actually kind of get off on being called selfish/heartless/dick. It's almost as if you think it makes you "hard" or something.

When in reality, it takes absolutely 0 skill or strength to refuse to help someone. Perhaps it takes a certain amount of social ineptitude though, I'll indulge you that much. 🙂

hard? no..cold? maybe

but like i said, since i thought about helping him then that showed some kind of sympathy, does it not?

what about that guy that helps him up, but in their mind their thinking "i should take him in the alley and fuck him with a tree branch?"...is he still a good samaritan?

these are the things one must think about.

Posted by RainDancer88
I meant some of that lol... I shouldn't be so quick to respond before reading it fully 😛

yes, that was a list with very different reasons. some of them alternatives to the others etc.

Posted by size zero superhero

Posted by Montgomery

Never understood the appeal of patchouli used as a body fragrance. SO overpowering, not exactly pleasant. If wearing natural scented oil rather than bottled commercial perfume is their thing, that's cool.

Admittedly I like certain oil-based scents, usually the crisp, tropical-smelling varieties 😄

But why is it that patchouli is the scent of choice for neo-hippies/trustafarians, as opposed to, perhaps going with light floral or citrus oil perfumes instead? Do they use patchouli attempting to conceal gamey B.O. smells, the oz. of pot in their backpack, or a little from column A & column B?

LOL

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Trust(fund)afarians.

Amen to that. lol


Columns A & B... maybe a little tradition *shrugs*

Every head shop from here to L.A. smells the same...

just not quiiite so gamey.

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Posted by DAMEN VI

Posted by munchykin
I think you actually kind of get off on being called selfish/heartless/dick. It's almost as if you think it makes you "hard" or something.

When in reality, it takes absolutely 0 skill or strength to refuse to help someone. Perhaps it takes a certain amount of social ineptitude though, I'll indulge you that much. 🙂

hard? no..cold? maybe

but like i said, since i thought about helping him then that showed some kind of sympathy, does it not?

what about that guy that helps him up, but in their mind their thinking "i should take him in the alley and fuck him with a tree branch?"...is he still a good samaritan?

these are the things one must think about.

I think the fact you thought about it shows that there is something deep inside of you that you don't quite understand yet. What kind of career do you work? Just out of curiosity.

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Lol @ the abundance of dxp psychiatrists we suddenly have

My profession is of no concern to you nor this thread..

Posted by xy
Damen..

Does it bother you that much?


It must be nice to be mentally competent. Focus on that.

Careful how you speak.. the universe can hear you, sounds travel far and back.

An unfortunate soul may just take a ride in your body tonight and hold it hostage.

It doesnt bother me at all..im just respinding to replies

And you sound like a broom riding weirdo btw..

*responding

Posted by RainDancer88
My reason for asking was I thought your curiosity was derivative from a job where you help other people. No physic, more a blonde to be honest. I am just nice and bored.

no the job i have doesn't deal with physically helping people

I'm from the city thou..its nothing to walk by bums on a daily basis

Posted by DAMEN VI
So on this cold, brisk, winter night, I decided to saunter up to the local 7-11 to buy a pack of Newports.Once inside,I noticed a homeless man at the counter, paying for his hot coffee in change.As I waited for him to finish paying,cent by cent, I began to smell a smell that I never smelled before.And it was quite possibly THEE foulest odor known to humanity.I realized the powerful scent was coming out of this impecunious being at the counter, so I took a few steps back, then a couple more steps back,and some more, until I was no longer at the counter, but near the soda pop section in the back of the store.Once the vagrant was done paying, habib shouted to me "Sir, what would you like?". I walked up, paid for my squares, and left out.Upon leaving, I noticed the homeless man had slipped and fell near the side of the store. He was in an awkward position on his knees & hunched over a bit to the right,and his coffee was spilled on the ground.I looked at him momentarily, and walked around him just as swiftly.As I neared my comfortable and warm residence, I pondered "should I have at least asked him if he was ok?".And what makes matters worse was he looked like white Jesus himself.smh


I told my cancer fiancee of the incident, and she said I was selfish and should go back out and see if he was alright..I told her I had already sincerely, yet briefly, thought about helping him, so therefore im not selfish.

now was I wrong?

Posted by DAMEN VI
that wind gust last nite was cutting through my soul..i could delay myself from the warmth of my home for anybody at that moment

Self preservation is the 1st law of nature my friend

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I don't see your reaction as selfish. I read it more as a fear-based reaction, which is the the average person's reaction. It paralyzes an average person into inactivity.

It takes brave people, to extend themselves out to others, for as you've stated, "Self preservation is the 1st law of nature." You reacted out of fear and couldn't push yourself past it, to be someone extraordinary. You rushed home, like a coward, some would say.

Was it wrong? Not for you -it's who you are.

Posted by PastelPlum
Montgromery- At least I don't hide behind a dead grandmother's aura.

I don't sense your presence at all. Your flame is small, almost cowardly. It's covered by a black shroud.

No, it isn't.

And yes, you do.


You should try turning on a light, sometime-- marinating in

all that darkness seems to be having an ill-effect on you.

lol

this thread...

Posted by tamara


I don't see your reaction as selfish. I read it more as a fear-based reaction, which is the the average person's reaction. It paralyzes an average person into inactivity.

It takes brave people, to extend themselves out to others, for as you've stated, "Self preservation is the 1st law of nature." You reacted out of fear and couldn't push yourself past it, to be someone extraordinary. You rushed home, like a coward, some would say.

Was it wrong? Not for you -it's who you are.

LMAO @ thinking that helping a vagabond up to his feet equates to something extraordinary and brave..you must've lived an extremely sheltered life

people flying to Africa to help Ebola patients is extraordinary and brave...and i wouldn't consider a person that choose to not do that as cowards either..

if you walk into a hospital full of sick & decrepit people, and decide to put on a surgical face mask and medical gloves, are you a coward as well?

this is what i mean by self preservation..there is a difference between that and "being a coward".

Posted by size zero superhero

Posted by DAMEN VI


im sure everybody you mentioned were young when they went through that down time as well, their dreams kept them alive..this guy was at least 60 years of age..his dreams are done..he failed at life and is now getting punished for it. that's it.

They were young. But in all fairness when you described the dude as resembling "white Jesus", that rarely if ever coincides with "senior citizen".

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Jesus for the most part looked mangy & bummy thou..let's be real.

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Posted by aquapiscescusp

Posted by DAMEN VI
So on this cold, brisk, winter night, I decided to saunter up to the local 7-11 to buy a pack of Newports.Once inside,I noticed a homeless man at the counter, paying for his hot coffee in change.As I waited for him to finish paying,cent by cent, I began to smell a smell that I never smelled before.And it was quite possibly THEE foulest odor known to humanity.I realized the powerful scent was coming out of this impecunious being at the counter, so I took a few steps back, then a couple more steps back,and some more, until I was no longer at the counter, but near the soda pop section in the back of the store.Once the vagrant was done paying, habib shouted to me "Sir, what would you like?". I walked up, paid for my squares, and left out.Upon leaving, I noticed the homeless man had slipped and fell near the side of the store. He was in an awkward position on his knees & hunched over a bit to the right,and his coffee was spilled on the ground.I looked at him momentarily, and walked around him just as swiftly.As I neared my comfortable and warm residence, I pondered "should I have at least asked him if he was ok?".And what makes matters worse was he looked like white Jesus himself.smh


I told my cancer fiancee of the incident, and she said I was selfish and should go back out and see if he was alright..I told her I had already sincerely, yet briefly, thought about helping him, so therefore im not selfish.

now was I wrong?

Yes, you will one day possibly face a similar situation of being down and nobody will be there to pick u up. Guess what karmic flashback will unveil...?

karma doesn't work like that

you see all the videos posted in here of people walking by bums in need of help? do you really think that they should or will someday be in a situation like the bums JUST because they walked by them without helping? pffft, you can't be serious

karma imo would take effect if i had decided for some morbid reason to curse at,punch or kick the bum while he was down..

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I never said you would become a bum. You could be down for many other reasons. I think when you are confronted with a situation like yours, to ma

To make a decision to help or not, it could be your karmic test?

Posted by PastelPlum
Ok then, you could give out your number in case of emergency, to contact you, because people like you are one in a million. There are alot of people around the world, and around your vicinity in need of the help you could give. Why wait till you see them? You could seek them out, because those in need the most and the most helpless are silent.

...
To narrow it to picking them up when they fall, is ridiculous.

And you accuse her of being manipulative... lol

Everyone falls.

Bums, the wealthy, kids, adults, the majority of the geriatric population--

Misfortune of that nature is no respecter of persons, but you want to make

it about the Homeless... why?


To vindicate yourself?

Quack.