He's Totally Awesome!

I don't think it's because he's a Pisces as some of the males are dogs but this cat happens to swim....mmm catfish.

I like that he's...

-Thoughtful. He's very considerate of my feelings even though I don't have any.
-Intelligent. I can't tell you how refreshing it is to talk to a guy who doesn't say "you think too much."
-Funny. A sense of humor is a gift and his is wrapped all nice and purty.
-Sexy. He makes my lady parts purr.
-Ambitious. Sometimes he makes me feel like I'm at a "believe to achieve" seminar.
-Sensitive. Not in a mushy way but sometimes he makes me wanna wrap him up.
-"Even." He doesn't get mad often but on the couple of occasions I burned-ed him, he handled it like a man. No screaming or yelling or bad words.
-Safe. To a Taurean, this is the four letter word that really matters.

I could go on and on but ultimately, he's unique...outside of his sign. It's nice to be in a situation where things are "pleasant" but not boring. I feel at peace/harmonized when I think of him and to be honest, I think this may be the closest I've been to a fairy tale.

He makes me realize that it's ok to dream and aspire out-loud. That I don't have to be so practical in action and deed. He reminds me of what I truly want, not simply what I can conveniently get.

Odd feeling to be happy with someone and not "but" or doubt my way through it. I do think his being a Pisces helps but eh...

Wait! Was I just mushy out loud?

Shit!

He scares the shit outta me tbh. I'm waiting for that arbitrary "changed my mind" stage.

Posted by tubbyscubby
He scares the shit outta me tbh. I'm waiting for that arbitrary "changed my mind" stage.

If he's in love with you, this is not usually an issue (except in the case of an extremely messed up or immature Pisces!) Pisces really know how to love with their EVERYTHING. However, if YOU start having an arbitrary "changed my mind... I think" stage, it COULD become an issue if/when he mirrors it back to you, Bullette.

Congrats, Tubby.. welcome to Fairytaleland. Stay as long as you like. ^_^

Thanks everyone.

Nefer, a lot of times when people talk about mirroring it's in references to the non-fish pulling away. Does pisces mirror good behavior as well? Like if I want/desire something, is my pisces likely to say/want the same thing...even though that thing was never on his radar before? In other words will he do things just to please me even if it's contrary to his desires?

I'm just wondering what good mirroring looks like and how does one insure it doesn't happen?

I think a Pisces mirroring might be hard to explain, but I'll try. (Sometimes I think it's more like.. absorb and reflect lol) Yes, we mirror back - good as well as bad... when you're happy, we're happy - we love to see you happy. But since we absorb the energies of those around us, when you're treating us badly (or indifferently.. which is VERY BAD to most Fish).. we mirror that behavior back. Part of it might be self-protection, and part of it might be "eye for an eye" and showing you how it feels (in hopes that you won't do it anymore?)

I can see you've read up a lot on Pisces... you know that we "change" for our partners. What you need to understand is we're naturally as stubborn as Bulls, rarely need outside approval, and won't change the CORE of us (unless shown or learn a better way - a way WE decide is actually better, and not JUST cuz YOU said it was)... but little things.. we find ourselves morphing. It's not intentional, and I personally have no control over mine. I find myself changing.. more like because of someone, and not for someone, if that makes sense. There are infinite facets to a Pisces, and we can call on any of them as needed. We're Everywoman/Everyman, and can be whatever we want or need to be (but still us at the core.)

We try new things to please our partner (or yes, stop saying/doing things you don't like), we defer on things that don't really matter much (toilet paper roll out/in, more bed pillows, changing the decor to please you, etc) It's said we're so fluid and adaptable that we take the shape of the vessel we're poured into and I find that incredibly true... but remember that we're still what we were, and what we'll still be, if poured into another vessel to take another shape. No, I've never seen Pisces LIE and say they like what you like. You might expose them to something new and they like it, or at least if they don't LOVE it, they'll give it a chance. But the CORE things: our morals, values, our beliefs... not so changeable, and only change on our own.

The more we care, the more we identify and work on inner things that may not be working so well (we evolve through our lifetime of relationships.) We may become more assertive.. we may open up more to you... we may decide kids wouldn't be so bad after all... we may change all sorts of things. But we'll never be FORCED to change, because that goes against our need for you to accept us and love us the way we already are, unconditionally.

Just be yourself, Tubby. Never pretend or stuff down what you REALLY feel and think. I think Pisces are the most accepting of others' faults and flaws... we love you in spite of (or because of?) your imperfections. (Besides, we're "fixers"... we'll ride up on our white horse to save you LOL) We just want love and honesty, respect and for you to treat our heart as a precious gift. Don't be a doormat, and don't expect us to be (we might "play" doormat for a bit, to see your intentions and how far you'll go, to see the inner you, or until it starts mattering to us.. then you'll see the SHARK lol) Feelings tend to matter more than logic (like.. you may have technically been broken up, but it still FELT like cheating when you went out with that guy -- feelings trump logic. And if you continue to argue logic and ignore the feeling aspect, you'll really hurt and piss a Fish off!)

Don't believe all the hype that says Pisces are wishy-washy liars, cheaters, addicts, head-in-the-clouds losers. That's not like any Pisces I've ever known, though I'm sure they exist. Those things tend to be written by people who have little to no grasp of Piscean nature, or haven't gotten past the Fish that ate them alive. We aren't LIKE anyone else, but that doesn't mean we're hopeless and helpless.





I still feel like I mucked this up. *sigh*

"But we'll never be FORCED to change, because that goes against our need for you to accept us and love us the way we already are, unconditionally."


I can see that. I'm not so much talking about forcing as I know that won't work with this sign. I can see how the change or evolution of self can be fluid in a relationship but it's ingenuine in a way.

ie He wants kids with me, we break up, next chick doesn't want kids and he doesn't want them either—


For example my friend is considering converting for her husband. I knew the moment she met him that it was a forgone conclusion...even though she's in denial. I feel like she will grow into the religion but it will be for reasons outside herself.

In a way, I get that how a SO may be a catalyst for pisces but...I dunno, to a fixed earth sign it comes across as shifty.

And I dunno. I do know a "downstream" fish by association and all of the negatives are apt descriptions. I've never read a pisces female profile but I agree, there's nothing negative about my pisces bff EXCEPT her inability to change more readily when things go bad. It's like she walks in front of the executioner's bullet. When it's bad, she suffers but the flip of that is her dogged determination to weather storms.

I like my catfish and I know that he's smitten with me. I know that he feels that his feelings are genuine but like you said, I may sometimes smother him with logic and rational thought...especially as a taurus.

I read the pisces chapter in "how to seduce any man in the zodiac" and you're right, I rarely find a favorable description of a pisces male. Who cares about his capacity for love if he's destined to cheat?

Hopefully catfish is the exception but time will tell. He did let on that he would like me to be more expressive but eh...

Oh and thanks 🙂

Fixed VS Mutable, yes I can see how that would come across shifty... Pisces are more "fluid" in our stubbornness (we give on things we deem aren't quite important enough to fight for.) Taurus are just stubborn in almost everything. (LMAO at my Pisces Sun/Rising/Mercury... and my Taurus Moon/Mars... I'm one stubborn-ass Fish... but still fluid! Contradictions! LOL)

"ie He wants kids with me, we break up, next chick doesn't want kids and he doesn't want them either—"

I feel this is a case by case situation, as long as it isn't a TOTAL conflict of interest. As long as the Kids stance is not a CORE value (ie.. I was an only child and MUST have kids to carry on my family name, or I will be completely disinherited and destroy my parents.. or ...I will NEVER have kids, EVER, because I was the middle of 10 of them and HATE kids and have a huge temper)... I can see how a Pisces would take it case-by-case. "She wants kids? Well, I don't HATE kids... might not be too bad. Esp with her. Yeah, I could see us having kids."... or "She doesn't ever want kids? Well, I understand that.. they're expensive and can really tie you down. She'd rather travel on lavish vacations every year. Hmm, yeah, that might be nice - I can see us doing that instead."

But, if only to contradict myself again, cuz I'm a Pisces lol -- even in the stated core value cases.. the right PERSON might start swaying them, and they might start thinking about it and realizing it wouldn't be so bad after all (Remember - our core values only change when we are SHOWN or LEARN a way that might be better!)... Say if Mr. Gotta Carry On The Name falls head over heels for the perfect woman.. but she's infertile... he could accept that as What's Meant To Be, and deal with the chips as they fall (and his parents), or discuss options like adoption. Mr. Hates Kids might be exposed to them more, maybe SHE has kid(s) and he falls in love with them and realizes, "I don't have to have TEN like my parents, but one or two might be nice, and my temper is WAY better than it used to be..." See how it can change, according to life experiences?

I'm not religious, so all I'll say is converting your religion for someone else is generally a huge mistake.... as would be me trying to BECOME religious for someone else. It would feel like a pair of shoes two sizes too small. And my Taurus planets would throw them out LOL

I get what you're saying. I guess because I hate the idea of changing for a man and have felt stifled in situations where I tried to be a little less fixed, to meet a malleable man causes concern. Change denotes loss for taurus. Good or bad, you're giving up on something when you change. Change therefore is regarded as death by fixed signs where other may see it as a new/rebirth.

Also my most lasting experiences have been with two other fixed signs, leo and aqua, so maybe I'm more comfortable with blockheads. We speak the same language but look where that's gotten me.

I also think it's a perception of principles. I'm not saying that pisces doesn't have them or that they're not steadfast, but I get your point. If there is a change in principle, it's based on a personal weighing of present matters rather than clinging to decisions made in the past. When it's framed like that, it doesn't seem so unappealing.

I guess I will stop worrying so much about his decision making process and learn to be happy with the fact that at least a decision has been made.

"If there is a change in principle, it's based on a personal weighing of present matters rather than clinging to decisions made in the past."

And this is the CRUX of Fixed VS Mutable, and probably the root of your dilemma!

I feel like I'm watching you evolve right before my eyes. I love it!

And even if it doesn't work out with Mr. Pisces... he will have been your catalyst for these changes ^_^

Nah, I'm fixed earth...literally. Taurus sun, rising AND mercury. The only thing I can readily change is my level of understanding.

I think if I have a saving grace with this guy it'll be due to my 12th house placements. I don't know if many of you realize that sometimes your posts require a key code? Not all of you speak "marine" but those that do, it's sorta like reading a toni morrison (pisces moon) novel...the words are layered and it's as if you're talking underwater. I can hear ya but... In fact, when I'm speaking to him, I sometimes have to say, "now say it plainly." It baffles me how quickly he's able to surface and I'm not sure why he chose to be garbled in the first place.

I wish I could find an astro book written by a taurus. I think the person best suited to write a chapter on pisces would be an earth sign. Most astro books tend to surmise pisces with the same lofty/12th house communication style that I notice is common with you. I now know what the following means although I'm not sure you fish do though cause if ya did, you'd be one of us...you're casualties of the 12th house.


He tends to be an escapist...[who] communicates through noncommunication. Even when he is completely honest, it often seems that there is a great deal left unsaid. Hence, it is frequently difficult to understand where he's coming from, what he wants and where he wants to go. And it is likely that even he doesn't know himself since he spends a great deal of time writhing in his own confusion.

And on this forum, AwakeisAsleep, Nefer and P-Angel are most likely to speak "marine" or underwater. I don't think its intentional and given what I know about 12th house (my mars, venus and moon are 12th), I think you all think that you're saying it plainly when in reality you're not. It's kind of fascinating actually to see 12th house tendencies in other people and it helps me to gain perspective on how I can be a little "fun house mirror" too.

None of you are pulitzer prize winners but this is what I mean by talking underwater...


Toni Morrison Beloved Excerpt
124 WAS SPITEFUL. Full of a baby's venom. The women in the house knew it and so did the children. For years each put up with the spite in his own way, but by 1873 Sethe and her daughter Denver were its only victims. The grandmother, Baby Suggs, was dead, and the sons, Howard and Buglar, had run away by the time they were thirteen years old--as soon as merely looking in a mirror shattered it (that was the signal for Buglar); as soon as two tiny band prints appeared in the cake (that was it for Howard). Neither boy waited to see more; another kettleful of chickpeas smoking in a heap on the floor; soda crackers crumbled and strewn in a line next to the doorsill. Nor did they wait for one of the relief periods: the weeks, months even, when nothing was disturbed. No. Each one fled at once--the moment the house committed what was for him the one insult not to be borne or witnessed a second time. Within two months, in the dead of winter, leaving their grandmother, Baby Suggs; Sethe, their mother; and their little sister, Denver, all by themselves in the gray and white house on Bluestone Road. It didn't have a number then, because Cincinnati didn't stretch that far. In fact, Ohio had been calling itself a state only seventy years when first one brother and then the next stuffed quilt packing into his hat, snatched up his shoes, and crept away from the lively spite the house felt for them.


If you've read any of her novels, it's like one big brain twister. The words are "clearly cloudy" and I notice with my pisces that when he's sharing thoughts that aren't shored up or ones that he's still pondering internally, this is what it sounds like to normal people.

Getting him to speak clearly requires a "say that again" but I think it's cute that lack of clarity is more natural for him than direct thoughts/actions.

Nah, unrelated. I was thinking of shows I grew up on. I thought about doing a "you can't do that on television" them but "I don't know"...todayls special works too.

Posted by Nefer
Just be yourself, Tubby. Never pretend or stuff down what you REALLY feel and think. I think Pisces are the most accepting of others' faults and flaws... we love you in spite of (or because of?) your imperfections. (Besides, we're "fixers"... we'll ride up on our white horse to save you LOL) We just want love and honesty, respect and for you to treat our heart as a precious gift. Don't be a doormat, and don't expect us to be (we might "play" doormat for a bit, to see your intentions and how far you'll go, to see the inner you, or until it starts mattering to us.. then you'll see the SHARK lol) Feelings tend to matter more than logic (like.. you may have technically been broken up, but it still FELT like cheating when you went out with that guy -- feelings trump logic. And if you continue to argue logic and ignore the feeling aspect, you'll really hurt and piss a Fish off!)

Don't believe all the hype that says Pisces are wishy-washy liars, cheaters, addicts, head-in-the-clouds losers. That's not like any Pisces I've ever known, though I'm sure they exist. Those things tend to be written by people who have little to no grasp of Piscean nature, or haven't gotten past the Fish that ate them alive. We aren't LIKE anyone else, but that doesn't mean we're hopeless and helpless.

I still feel like I mucked this up. *sigh*

I totally agree Nefer! We are very accepting and I definitely know that I mirror in relationships. I also call it being a chameleon and that is a good thing as long as you are being good to your Pisces but not so good if you are not.

I am so happy for you TS! I hope you stay in fairytale land and have a surreal experience b/c I know that is capable with a Pisces! I am the furthest from a cheat that you can get and I hate that we are portrayed that way! 😢
We are emotional and sometimes hard to understand but I believe most Pisces have hearts of gold! 😉

Posted by Days22
is that your arse St.pp?!?! lol

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