The political war in Turkey...

It's a war between air and water signs.

Apparently, water signs wins.

Air signs brought everyone against water signs...Military, lawyers, people...and still lose.

A true show of power of water signs.

Haffo for Turkish President.....he's the man to set things right!!

A x

Attitude !!!

Or even Haffo-tude!!

A x

Haffo, what are you talking about?

I'm a Pisces and I still don't know what you're talking about most of the time, lol

Galileia428....that Haffo guy has "launched":-) thousands of posts!!! and musings - some seem to get his drift......I'm afraid that I'm not one of them for most of the time:-) - we seem to be on different pages!!!:-).....but he's a good guy!!!!!

And might I add Missy Gal...that your profile pics are gorgeous:-) - and no I am not a lesbian:-)

Alana x

The leaders of ruling party are water sign people. Prime Minister = Pisces, their candidate for presidency is a Scorpio. The leader of opposing party is a Gemini. They don't have a candidate.

Thanks Alana!

Haffo, it's a good transition for Turkey, since it's had it's share of ruthless leaders..though wasn't Ataturk a Scorpio as well? A few of my friends would kill me for saying this because they are so nationalistic.

"A few of my friends would kill me for saying this because they are so nationalistic. "

I wouldn't call them nationalists. I would call them faschist. Or better (as the court recently called them) = terrorists.

"I think the current clash in turkey is between the educated progressive secularist professional class and the Islamist working/poor class. I'm not sure if it transcends class lines but it might."

I don't know statistics, so I would make my educated guess. I think people of all groupds support them. Probably working and poor class more than the wealthy class. The reason is surely economic. But if I think they right, because if you look at wealthy class, they are so selfish and only suck blood of poor class instead of promoting economy in general. Why a poor class person have to work only to not become hungry without using his/her head at all, while wealthy class know this and only makes them be more miserable? This is not what is the current world in. People use their heads no matter they are wealthy class or not. In Turkey, wealthy class does not want them to think. Because more they think, the more wealthy class loses power over them. I call this slavery, not capitalism.

This is how I think. Statistics might be different. (Though, one statistics show that the most people support current ruling party).

I wouldn't call them nationalists. I would call them faschist. Or better (as the court recently called them) = terrorists.

Well, that's a little strong Haffo, but I somehow think that nationalism has managed to infiltrate even the water over in that region of the world. I have friends from several places from that region (Turkish, Armenian, Kurdish, Albanian, Greek, Macedonian, Bosnian, etc.) and you know what they share in common (aside from pretty much the same culture, i.e., customs, food, music, etc. just repackaged under a different name), the fact that they are soooo nationalistic; it's almost ingrained in their being. They are a insert nationality here before anything else. I just cannot relate. I don't really care if I am American or where my ancestors came from; that says absolutely nothing about who I am as a person and has no connection with me today. I guess it's just a different mentality. I've heard so many stories about what the Turks have done to the Kurds, Greeks, and Armenians and what the Greeks have done to the Turks and Albanians, and what the Albanians have done to the Macedonians and what the Macedonians have done to the Albanians. They carry these stories through the years like a torch. And I tell you what, it's always dangerous once a group of people willfully take the identity of 'victim', because as we've already seen in Israel, Macedonia, and the United States (with the massacre of the Native Americans), with the identity of victimhood comes entitlement and with entitlement the justification for the total disregard of the rights of others.

You are talking about fanatism.

Fanatism can be seen in many different ways. Wether it's nationalism, wether it's religion or simply things like sports. Yeah I cannot understand where this is coming from either. But as my life rule, I can say there are two sides of coin. While one side of it is very horrible (such as religious fanatism or faschism or any other kind negative fanatism) the other side is very powerful. I think if this fanatism could be directed in right way or let's say if there was a right leader to understand and direct this power into productive way (just like current leading party is doing) then it's very powerful cultural quality. So, while the world sees one quality in it's bad form, they cannot see it in it's good form. What a waste...

You're an early riser..

Well, it's been awhile since we've had that sort of leadership here. Americans are generally so apathetic about politics. Our country is a far cry from a democracy any more. Countries like the Ukraine could teach us a thing or two about what democracy really means.

oops, I guess it is 11 (or is it 12) there.

"oops, I guess it is 11 (or is it 12) there."

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You're in Turkey right? Is it a 6 or 7 hour difference to the Eastern US? I forget.

It's GMT + 2

Oh, ok..are you in Istanbul?

Yes.

"oops, I guess it is 11 (or is it 12) there."

It's 12:07 here.

Istanbul cok gizel (is that right)?

İstanbul ?ok g?zel!

This one is right.

It's been almost 7 years since I was last in Istanbul; I really miss it. It's prob. one of my favorite places in the world.

right, keyboard limitations though.. We don't have those consonants or vowels in English 🙂

It's Topkapı Palace. It's where Padishahs used to live. I live on the left side of this pic. It's the left side across the water.

You don't live in the Topkapi Palace? lol.

How long have you lived in Istanbul? What is your impression of Turkey (and the Turkish people in general) so far?

"You don't live in the Topkapi Palace?"

No. Not yet. Once I conquer the world, I will.lol

"How long have you lived in Istanbul?"

12 years. Almost half of my life.

"What is your impression of Turkey (and the Turkish people in general) so far?"

Impression of Turkey. Well I can compare only to the countries I've been in which means Ukraine, Russia and Georgia (a country). The place here is very clean. Everywhere you go one thing that comes to your mind is cleaniness. Virgo's will like this place 100% ! lol. Govermental problems persist alot in many areas. I think people are very talented. But education is a big problem. And that why alot of people talents get wasted. During the years, govermental corruption has driven many people to misery not because of their talents, but because of the impossibilities that is working for very small amount of rich people. I hope one day this all ends (perhaps these days aren't that far). In human to human communications they are far more warm to each other than the people I saw in those countries that I've been in. I don't know any American people to compare with so if can comare those peopel I've descried above you can understand.

No. Not yet. Once I conquer the world, I will.lol

I'm sure you'd like that..your own personal harem and all!

In human to human communications they are far more warm to each other than the people I saw in those countries that I've been in. I don't know any American people to compare with so if can comare those peopel I've descried above you can understand.

One of my Turkish friends who was studying here (for I think 5 years or so) had a really difficult time adjusting b/c she said that Americans were typically a lot colder than what she was used to in Turkey. She got into a car accident (minor, luckily) while she was here, and she said that some of her coworkers didn't even ask how she was doing after they'd heard about it. I can see that being the case, so I can understand the culture shock she experienced.

oh, and I know Georgia is a country, 😉 (my co-major as an undergrad was international relations..).

Well, Haffo canym, it's my bedtime (like 3 hours ago!)

??yi Geceler (or G?_naydin for you!). I'm surprised I remember anything in Turkish that's not profanity! I was always the guinea pig of my friends. They'd all laugh their asses off at me as I'd say the most profane things in Turkish with my really bad American accent.

"I'm sure you'd like that..your own personal harem and all!"

Damn right!

"One of my Turkish friends who was studying here (for I think 5 years or so) had a really difficult time adjusting b/c she said that Americans were typically a lot colder than what she was used to in Turkey. She got into a car accident (minor, luckily) while she was here, and she said that some of her coworkers didn't even ask how she was doing after they'd heard about it. I can see that being the case, so I can understand the culture shock she experienced. "

Yeah I know this feeling. I've experienced the same in Ukraine and Russia. But not in Georgia.

"oh, and I know Georgia is a country, (my co-major as an undergrad was international relations..)."

Not that I told that in meaning of teaching you something. I just wanted to clear the confusion that many people fall to when I say Georgia. They think I talk about Georgia of US.

Good night!

Have sweet and sexy dreams.