And Venezuela is a Short Plane Ride....

Posted by Arielle83

Who is this?

I’m not into American politics

She was just elected to the US house of representatives. Only roughly 14% of the people in the district she represents voted, and the congressman she unseated didn't make any effort to campaign against her because he thought his seat was secure.

She is a former bartender who was known to steal tips from her coworkers.

She gets a lot of media attention.

She went to an Ivy League school, but watching her in an interview, I came away with the impression that she is one of those educated well above her level of intelligence.

She is currently getting attention for proposing what shes calling a "Green New Deal", which if actually passed into law would probably destroy the US.

You want a person who represents the negative stereotype of a Millenial, she is it.

She reminds me of this phrase from Dickens "A Christmas Carol" (yes, it's a little out of context from the story, but it fits oddly here):

"This boy is Ignorance. This girl is Want. Beware them both,

and all of their degree, but most of all beware this boy,

for on his brow I see that written which is Doom, unless the writing be erased."

I find hilarious that you bring venezuela in that tittle, using 100% solar energy would be more feasible in a country with so much sun uptime and no seasons, hard to say that about 75% of the US states lmao

Posted by Black-Mamba

Posted by Endless

I find hilarious that you bring venezuela in that tittle, using 100% solar energy would be more feasible in a country with so much sun uptime and no seasons, hard to say that about 75% of the US states lmao

Ok than how is Germany a colder country doing it

Are you saying that America doesn't have warm temperatures for half the year?

Most states on the bottom half are bristling hot

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germany is generating almost 20% their energy from wind, solar energy only produced close to 7% , hardly enough to maintain a state, quite a contrasting difference as both projects started at the same time

PV installation figures are dropping rapidly in Germany. The 2014 total was 1,899 MWp, falling from 3,309 MWp in 2013, according to a report by EurObserv'ER, some say that after the Renewable Energy Sources Act [EEG], there was a market collapse that resulted in a loss of more than 80% growth, germany is not meeting any development in the solar energy field

"Are you saying that America doesn't have warm temperatures for half the year?"

are you going to have energy only half the year?

"Most states on the bottom half are bristling hot"

but those states cant sustain the entire country, also most of those states are busy using their land for farming.

farming and wind power is a good mix, but the US is way to big to pull that out

US need nuclear fusion energy, theres no way around that, and development is going strong.

Posted by Black-Mamba

Posted by Endless

Posted by Black-Mamba

Posted by Endless

I find hilarious that you bring venezuela in that tittle, using 100% solar energy would be more feasible in a country with so much sun uptime and no seasons, hard to say that about 75% of the US states lmao

Ok than how is Germany a colder country doing it

Are you saying that America doesn't have warm temperatures for half the year?

Most states on the bottom half are bristling hot

germany is generating almost 20% their energy from wind, solar energy only produced close to 7% , hardly enough to maintain a state, quite a contrasting difference as both projects started at the same time

PV installation figures are dropping rapidly in Germany. The 2014 total was 1,899 MWp, falling from 3,309 MWp in 2013, according to a report by EurObserv'ER, some say that after the Renewable Energy Sources Act [EEG], there was a market collapse that resulted in a loss of more than 80% growth, germany is not meeting any development in the solar energy field

"Are you saying that America doesn't have warm temperatures for half the year?"

are you going to have energy only half the year?

"Most states on the bottom half are bristling hot"

but those states cant sustain the entire country, also most of those states are busy using their land for farming.

farming and wind power is a good mix, but the US is way to big to pull that out

US need nuclear fusion energy, theres no way around that, and development is going strong.

Even half is better than none

Nuclear has way too many risks

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@Black-Mamba

"Don't they have electricity maintenance areas, That half a year can generate for a full year"

you mean like energy storage? kinda, but battery technology sucks, and produce a lot of toxic waste, so most people who want to go green avoid those, and they are good for household most of the time, specially with led bulbs, anything in the industrial sector just consume too much power, however solar panels DO produce energy during winter, but is less than in sunny setting, not even going to talk about cloudy days.

"Even half is better than none"

now that is true, but that's why the deal is just going too far, is like when bush said that we were going to sent "missions to Mars and to worlds beyond" like easy there girl, we are still figuring out how to not run out of energy.

the deal proposes 100% green energy in a 10y frame, no concessions.

"Nuclear has way too many risks"

but that's the thing, nobody is explaining that theres 2 type of nuclear energies.

we have fission, that produces a huge amount of toxic waste, and is quite a mess.

and theres fusion, that we are developing, and would put near-limitless supply of electricity on the grid with no real drawbacks (that we know of)

Hydroelectric energy

Biomass energy

Geothermal power

Tidal, ocean, and hot hydrogen fusion.

Y’all act like solar power is the only green power source out there.

Posted by LadyNeptune

Hydroelectric energy

Biomass energy

Geothermal power

Tidal, ocean, and hot hydrogen fusion.

Y’all act like solar power is the only green power source out there.

https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3



Of the total sources of power in the US, 62.9% are fossil source, 20% nuclear.

The remaining 17,1% is "renewable", which includes hydro, wind, and solar.

As for fusion.....please provide where fusion is at a scale where it supplies a city block with power. I'll wait.

Hydro, solar, and wind only have limited application. Wind affects wildlife, and hydro has been attacked by environmental groups.

Same with tidal.

The green new deal sought to eliminate nuclear, even though molten salt tech is already available, and a much better alteranative, but good luck getting that going.

But, carry on.

Posted by Endless

I find hilarious that you bring venezuela in that tittle, using 100% solar energy would be more feasible in a country with so much sun uptime and no seasons, hard to say that about 75% of the US states lmao

Solar has limited application in terms of generating power for current societal requirements.

It's not really about 'green', the whole bit is a mechanism to force socialism on the US.

Occasio-Cortez site took down the proposal based on the reaction among the public.

So much for having the courage of one's convictions.

Posted by CancerOnTheCusp

Posted by LadyNeptune

Hydroelectric energy

Biomass energy

Geothermal power

Tidal, ocean, and hot hydrogen fusion.

Y’all act like solar power is the only green power source out there.

https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3



Of the total sources of power in the US, 62.9% are fossil source, 20% nuclear.

The remaining 17,1% is "renewable", which includes hydro, wind, and solar.

As for fusion.....please provide where fusion is at a scale where it supplies a city block with power. I'll wait.

Hydro, solar, and wind only have limited application. Wind affects wildlife, and hydro has been attacked by environmental groups.

Same with tidal.

The green new deal sought to eliminate nuclear, even though molten salt tech is already available, and a much better alteranative, but good luck getting that going.

But, carry on.

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I love how you had to make a repeat thread just to frame your twisted perspective lol

Posted by FireStarter

Posted by CancerOnTheCusp

Posted by LadyNeptune

Hydroelectric energy

Biomass energy

Geothermal power

Tidal, ocean, and hot hydrogen fusion.

Y’all act like solar power is the only green power source out there.

https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3



Of the total sources of power in the US, 62.9% are fossil source, 20% nuclear.

The remaining 17,1% is "renewable", which includes hydro, wind, and solar.

As for fusion.....please provide where fusion is at a scale where it supplies a city block with power. I'll wait.

Hydro, solar, and wind only have limited application. Wind affects wildlife, and hydro has been attacked by environmental groups.

Same with tidal.

The green new deal sought to eliminate nuclear, even though molten salt tech is already available, and a much better alteranative, but good luck getting that going.

But, carry on.

I love how you had to make a repeat thread just to frame your twisted perspective lol

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Got any useful input? Thought not.

Posted by CancerOnTheCusp

Posted by FireStarter

Posted by CancerOnTheCusp

Posted by LadyNeptune

Hydroelectric energy

Biomass energy

Geothermal power

Tidal, ocean, and hot hydrogen fusion.

Y’all act like solar power is the only green power source out there.

https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3



Of the total sources of power in the US, 62.9% are fossil source, 20% nuclear.

The remaining 17,1% is "renewable", which includes hydro, wind, and solar.

As for fusion.....please provide where fusion is at a scale where it supplies a city block with power. I'll wait.

Hydro, solar, and wind only have limited application. Wind affects wildlife, and hydro has been attacked by environmental groups.

Same with tidal.

The green new deal sought to eliminate nuclear, even though molten salt tech is already available, and a much better alteranative, but good luck getting that going.

But, carry on.

I love how you had to make a repeat thread just to frame your twisted perspective lol

Got any useful input? Thought not.

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I only have facts, so not useful to you.

Posted by FireStarter

Posted by CancerOnTheCusp

Posted by FireStarter

Posted by CancerOnTheCusp

Posted by LadyNeptune

Hydroelectric energy

Biomass energy

Geothermal power

Tidal, ocean, and hot hydrogen fusion.

Y’all act like solar power is the only green power source out there.

https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3



Of the total sources of power in the US, 62.9% are fossil source, 20% nuclear.

The remaining 17,1% is "renewable", which includes hydro, wind, and solar.

As for fusion.....please provide where fusion is at a scale where it supplies a city block with power. I'll wait.

Hydro, solar, and wind only have limited application. Wind affects wildlife, and hydro has been attacked by environmental groups.

Same with tidal.

The green new deal sought to eliminate nuclear, even though molten salt tech is already available, and a much better alteranative, but good luck getting that going.

But, carry on.

I love how you had to make a repeat thread just to frame your twisted perspective lol

Got any useful input? Thought not.

I only have facts, so not useful to you.

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By all means present them.

And your opinions do not constitute facts.

I've noticed in your other posts you tend to conflate the two.

Posted by CancerOnTheCusp

Posted by FireStarter

Posted by CancerOnTheCusp

Posted by FireStarter

Posted by CancerOnTheCusp

Posted by LadyNeptune

Hydroelectric energy

Biomass energy

Geothermal power

Tidal, ocean, and hot hydrogen fusion.

Y’all act like solar power is the only green power source out there.

https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3



Of the total sources of power in the US, 62.9% are fossil source, 20% nuclear.

The remaining 17,1% is "renewable", which includes hydro, wind, and solar.

As for fusion.....please provide where fusion is at a scale where it supplies a city block with power. I'll wait.

Hydro, solar, and wind only have limited application. Wind affects wildlife, and hydro has been attacked by environmental groups.

Same with tidal.

The green new deal sought to eliminate nuclear, even though molten salt tech is already available, and a much better alteranative, but good luck getting that going.

But, carry on.

I love how you had to make a repeat thread just to frame your twisted perspective lol

Got any useful input? Thought not.

I only have facts, so not useful to you.

By all means present them.

And your opinions do not constitute facts.

I've noticed in your other posts you tend to conflate the two.

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Ha don't project at me. I have always been able to separate objective fact and subjective opinion. But if you want to post examples go ahead. You will find it is impossible however.

But if you want the facts go read the New Green Deal thread that was made a few days ago. I'm not going to repeat myself everytime some ignorant person goes on a tirade over a non-existent issue.

Posted by elllle

People are so afraid of her. I love it.

Yeah, sure.

Its what she represents. Arrogance and ignorance.

And it's not fear. But if that gives you some sort of comfort, that's cool.

Posted by LittleStar

Yes, because Venezuela hasn't been sabotaged by the US who created the economic crisis and then blamed socialism isn't now also setting up a puppet candidate to get control over their oil.

You do realize Chavez was elected by the people of Venezuela, and so was Maduro (at least initially)?

And the US created nothing. In fact, Chavez was lauded for his brave steps by elements in the US, and so was Maduro until those videos started leaking out.

But I suppose neither were the "right people" to usher in Utopia.

Posted by CancerOnTheCusp

Posted by Endless

I find hilarious that you bring venezuela in that tittle, using 100% solar energy would be more feasible in a country with so much sun uptime and no seasons, hard to say that about 75% of the US states lmao

Solar has limited application in terms of generating power for current societal requirements.

It's not really about 'green', the whole bit is a mechanism to force socialism on the US.

Occasio-Cortez site took down the proposal based on the reaction among the public.

So much for having the courage of one's convictions.

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what do you mean by "limited applications"? I know I extrapolated to a degree but I wasnt aware of more problems with solar than the uptime and the storage part.

socialism in the US would be crazy, your capitalist system is already mega corrupt, if you people go red, how more corrupt could you get lmao

"Occasio-Cortez site took down the proposal based on the reaction among the public"

that's the best thing she could do, it was a stupid proposal.

Posted by Endless

Posted by CancerOnTheCusp

Posted by Endless

I find hilarious that you bring venezuela in that tittle, using 100% solar energy would be more feasible in a country with so much sun uptime and no seasons, hard to say that about 75% of the US states lmao

Solar has limited application in terms of generating power for current societal requirements.

It's not really about 'green', the whole bit is a mechanism to force socialism on the US.

Occasio-Cortez site took down the proposal based on the reaction among the public.

So much for having the courage of one's convictions.

what do you mean by "limited applications"? I know I extrapolated to a degree but I wasnt aware of more problems with solar than the uptime and the storage part.

socialism in the US would be crazy, your capitalist system is already mega corrupt, if you people go red, how more corrupt could you get lmao

"Occasio-Cortez site took down the proposal based on the reaction among the public"

that's the best thing she could do, it was a stupid proposal.

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Hit the wrong button, and too lazy to retype.

Limited application is with respect to that solar is roughly 1.6% of the power supply to meet consumption needs in the US.

As far as the new green deal, I came across something from an NGO and I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some sort of collusion going on:



Ban on the sale of new combustion engines car from 2022 onwards

Limit the number of new vehicles sold to approximately 440,000 per year

Ban on the sale of new Commercial Vans and large size SUV for private use as of now

2% per year reduction in the number of miles traveled by Commercial Vans.

5% reduction in the number of miles driven by personal-use Commercial Vans per year

Ban on personal-use Commercial Vans in urban areas

From 2023, all new buses put into service will be bio-gas or electric

50% more trains to be put into service by 2030

From 2022, all local airlines where the alternative is less than 4 hours by road or rail will be closed

Ban on the introduction of new aircraft from 2020

Ban on trucks in urban areas from 2022

Ban on truck transit in France (e.g., from Spain to Belgium)

Implementation of a “pollution tax” from 2020 (in addition to the current “eco-tax”)

Creation of a national eco-driving permit in 2019

Ban on combustion engines vehicles in urban centers from 2024

By 2024, all urban roads must be bicycle-friendly

Vehicles built before 2018 will no longer be permitted on the road in 2030

Mandatory occupancy rate from 1.6 to 2.5 people per vehicle by 2028

Mandatory fixed working hours in order to simplify the implementation of public transport and carpooling

Anyone with a job that can be done from home who lives more than 7 miles away from their workplace must work from home 2 days a week from 2025

For short trips less than 3 miles, the standard should be “soft transport” (bicycle)

Every garden must be converted to produce food

Every building permit must include vegetable garden rather than parking spaces

Meat consumption to decrease by 10% per year from 2020 to 55 pounds per person per year in 2030 compared to about 200 pounds today.

The consumption of dairy products will follow the same trend

Progressive ban on substitutable processed food (sodas, all junk food, hamburgers, pizzas, pasta, chicken nuggets…)

Quotas to limit the consumption of imported products. Especially coffee, chocolate, exotic fruits

Ban on all flights outside Europe from 2020 onwards unless duly justified

Two round trips long distance flights allowance limit per young person aged 18 to 30

Creation of a national lottery distributing 500,000 air flight tickets per year

Obligation to justify the purpose of a business trip

Limitation of the amount of equipment in service at any given time in the house

Standardization of rental rather than the sale of mobile and computers

Increasing the minimum life to 4 years for a smartphone, 8 years for a laptop and 12 years for a monitor

Ban on the sale of televisions over 40 inches

Creation of a single 5G network

Prohibition of online advertising on websites

Video stream must be reduced by a factor of 3 by 2030

Limit to 2 pounds of new clothing on the market per year and per person from 2022

In 2026 oil heating devices will be illegal in houses. Natural gas, electric convector-type and electric heaters will be gradually replaced.

New single-family-home construction, except trailers, prohibited. New buildings must be exclusively condos with a maximum per capita living area of 320 square feet

Immediate implementation of a 4° reduction in the average home temperature

In 2025, a thermal curfew will be created, carbon heating systems will be switched off between 10 p.m. and 6 a.m. to reach 62 degrees average in the homes

The space used per person must be reduced by 20% by 2030, from the current 430 square feet per person to 344 square feet per person

Specific uses of electricity: sobriety in consumption, gradually decreases from 4 to 2 kWh use of electricity per day and per person.

Creation of a tax to ensure that everyone has access to the 1st kWh, and to discourage the use of more than 3/4 kWh of electricity per day