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Statistics suggest that marriage involving 1 or both members in the military have a higher divorce rate.

I wonder why that is?

Is it b/c of the constant distance, or the constant relocating that maybe puts lots of stress/strain on the relationship?

Or is it the personality changes (some for the worst!)that stem from being exposed to so many elements that the average person not in the military is barely exposed to?

I can't tell you how many times I've heard people say, "Don't date him if he's in the military b/c people in the military, especially the Marines, are crazy!"

I'm not saying I agree that military folks are crazy or don't have long-lasting relationships, but I often do wonder why so many studies suggest that these relationships often don't work out OR atleast don't have the same chances for working out as other types of relationships

There has to be something to it



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Posted by krysrenee7
Statistics suggest that marriage involving 1 or both members in the military have a higher divorce rate.

Is it b/c of the constant distance, or the constant relocating that maybe puts lots of stress/strain on the relationship?

Or is it the personality changes (some for the worst!)that stem from being exposed to so many elements that the average person not in the military is barely exposed to?

I can't tell you how many times I've heard people say, "Don't date him if he's in the military b/c people in the military, especially the Marines, are crazy!"






most of it has to do with these things, and people dont realize that what they do to people in the military is grade A brainwashing on all sorts of levels-turning these people into stone cold killers and training them to do WHATEVER they are told. the american military learns from the romans- and the romans taught that the key to maintaining a military is discipline. so that is why you hear bitches bein like dont date a soldier-they're fuckin crazy. because after what some of them go through, they really are.

i read a story of someone who is in the military who is stationed on a carrier, he was 'awake', and telling a story of a dude who refused to follow some order, so they took this guy and shoved a grenade up his ass and set it off(i dont know the details of how the fuck they managed that). they then reported that he fell overboard and told his family that. and all the while setting an "example" for every other soldier.
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There are crazy people in all professions. I am sure the military is no different.

If you look at those stressor guide things you will probably find 'time away from spouse/moving house' etc and a military couple is likely to tick almost every stressor box over the course.....oh dear - we need a new stressor box....a frigging Adele on the freaking radio ALL THE TIME box;(

I truly believe it is caused by incorrect choice of marriage partner (possibly the cause of problems in ALL marriages, not just military ones!!!)

Unfortunately SOME women (don't flame me - I didn't say all women) see a military guy as an easy ride. The guys make enough money for the women not to have to work. You get tricare. They get deployed so if you don't like him very much he won't be under your feet 24/7.
I would like to think that guys realising they are being used is a reason for the high divorce rate. Or spouses deciding they can't handle the life style and maturely ending the relationship.

Really more a case for not divorcing which is what I see all around me - people not happy but staying together for the housing and other benefits (medical/hey I don't have to get off my azz to go to work etc etc and that most stupid reason of all.....we prefer our kids to live in a messed up home where mom and dad don't love or respect each other.) This obviously happens in all walks of life, I guess I just get to see a lot of it.

And yes, a lot of young military people get married. Benefits, benefits, benefits.
Not sure of the strike rate for successul young non-military marriages, but am guessing that they too fail at a great rate.

The military are making an effort to provide pre-marriage counselling for its members to hopefully assist them making the right decision.
Our military members deserve to have supportive caring people behind them so they can concentrate on the job at hand and not have to worry about their spouse spending all their money or screwing around behind their back.
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Posted by krysrenee7
Statistics suggest that marriage involving 1 or both members in the military have a higher divorce rate.

Is it b/c of the constant distance, or the constant relocating that maybe puts lots of stress/strain on the relationship?

Or is it the personality changes (some for the worst!)that stem from being exposed to so many elements that the average person not in the military is barely exposed to?

I can't tell you how many times I've heard people say, "Don't date him if he's in the military b/c people in the military, especially the Marines, are crazy!"






most of it has to do with these things, and people dont realize that what they do to people in the military is grade A brainwashing on all sorts of levels-turning these people into stone cold killers and training them to do WHATEVER they are told. the american military learns from the romans- and the romans taught that the key to maintaining a military is discipline. so that is why you hear bitches bein like dont date a soldier-they're fuckin crazy. because after what some of them go through, they really are.

i read a story of someone who is in the military who is stationed on a carrier, he was 'awake', and telling a story of a dude who refused to follow some order, so they took this guy and shoved a grenade up his ass and set it off(i dont know the details of how the fuck they managed that). they then reported that he fell overboard and told his family that. and all the while setting an "example" for every other soldier.
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Wut cha talkin about? Or do ya know?
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Posted by krysrenee7
Statistics suggest that marriage involving 1 or both members in the military have a higher divorce rate.

I wonder why that is?

Is it b/c of the constant distance, or the constant relocating that maybe puts lots of stress/strain on the relationship?

Or is it the personality changes (some for the worst!)that stem from being exposed to so many elements that the average person not in the military is barely exposed to?

I can't tell you how many times I've heard people say, "Don't date him if he's in the military b/c people in the military, especially the Marines, are crazy!"

I'm not saying I agree that military folks are crazy or don't have long-lasting relationships, but I often do wonder why so many studies suggest that these relationships often don't work out OR atleast don't have the same chances for working out as other types of relationships

There has to be something to it


I wonder about the audacity of some people such as yourself. You question and feign knowledge of a life you've never lived, you give false advice about a quandary you've never faced. Such arrogance is a downfall and I spit in your face parce que tes de arrogance.



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While I truly do admire the men and women who serve their countries, from my experience I believe there is some truth to what Krysrenee7 says. I have dated three men in the past who had military ties. My first love went into the army when he was twenty. I don't know all the details (because he wouldn't tell) but he only made it through boot camp. He says he was discharged because of a heart murmur. All I know is he came back a different person, and not long after his return we split.

I dated another guy briefly who had also served in the Army for 8 years. We had been together for a month before he even mentioned being in the army. I thought that was odd and would expect a sense of pride to come with that kind of service. He had suffered and injury while in service and often spoke about the terrible nightmares he had because of it. He also tried to force himself on me one night but I managed to talk my way out of it. After that I cut him out of my life. I felt like there was a side of him that he was keeping undercover and I was not equipped to handle it.

I dated a guy who had been in the Navy for 5 years and he was weird. Once I started to see some signs of imbalance there I pulled away. I also have a cousin, who I was very close to growing up, go into the military. He came home to visit and basically treated me like a stranger when he saw me. He was totally different when he came home.

Just from my personal experiences, I stay away from men who have been in the service. I'm a little scared of them from what I've experienced.



sounds more like you attract straight weirdos, not really that it has anything to do with them being in the service.

I see little correlation between military service and a man trying to force himself on a woman...
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I don't really want to get into my story (unless someone really wants me to...)it's a lot to type and plenty of people here have heard it.

But I've been dating my Libra for 8 years on and off.
We met when we were 16...he joined the military a couple years after...spent a year in Iraq...just finished his contract this year.

I know a little about this subject. :/
I know all about personality changes, etc.


I would still never associate an attempted rapist with military service.
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well...ok...here is my bit to this:

I grew up in a high ranking officers home. Marriage is the same in military homes as in civ. No difference. Whatever the stats say, I actually disagree. Failed marriages are the same and as common as anywhere. I have yet to meet "CRAZY" anyone military. What people also forget and take as crazy that these Men and Women are highly trained to deal with stress average Joe and Jane would fold on in one second. It takes heart and dedication to do what They do. The people who are not informed and prepared how do deal with spouses who are under constant stress is the civs who think Their jobs are just as easy-peasy as a cab drivers...I have yet to meet someone in military who takes their marriage lightly. I know people who have been married for anywhere from 10 to 40 years. It's harder to make military marriage work, there is so many obstacles that normal people would never even know how to go through when the partner is gone for 12 months three times within 6 years. Infidelity happens as much in military families as it does in accountants, doctors, taxi drivers...maybe even less. The big fanfare about it stems from expectations we all have of these Women and Men and forget that IT TAKES TWO to make marriages work. I personally know 8 Soldiers who have been cheated on by their civ spouses. Male and female.

I wouldn't date anyone outside of Military myself. They are different, stronger, have more morals, believe in making things work against all odds. Something civ men forgot how to do long ago.

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Posted by krysrenee7
Statistics suggest that marriage involving 1 or both members in the military have a higher divorce rate.

Is it b/c of the constant distance, or the constant relocating that maybe puts lots of stress/strain on the relationship?

Or is it the personality changes (some for the worst!)that stem from being exposed to so many elements that the average person not in the military is barely exposed to?

I can't tell you how many times I've heard people say, "Don't date him if he's in the military b/c people in the military, especially the Marines, are crazy!"






most of it has to do with these things, and people dont realize that what they do to people in the military is grade A brainwashing on all sorts of levels-turning these people into stone cold killers and training them to do WHATEVER they are told. the american military learns from the romans- and the romans taught that the key to maintaining a military is discipline. so that is why you hear bitches bein like dont date a soldier-they're fuckin crazy. because after what some of them go through, they really are.

i read a story of someone who is in the military who is stationed on a carrier, he was 'awake', and telling a story of a dude who refused to follow some order, so they took this guy and shoved a grenade up his ass and set it off(i dont know the details of how the fuck they managed that). they then reported that he fell overboard and told his family that. and all the while setting an "example" for every other soldier.
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^^^^^^Total BS^^^^^^^^^
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^^my bad.
Rephrase: There are jerks in every profession. Yes there are jerks in the military. I have met some, but I have also met jerks/assholes/psychos that have other jobs too. Banktellers, cops (let me tell you about the rapist who is now a detective...), administration workers.

The OP stated "MILTARY folks are crazy" and I disagree.
You may not have read my whole spiel on the thing, but if you got even a hint of an impression that I was not 100% supportive of our military personnel then you have the wrong end of the stick completely.



"...Relationships / Marriages based on money, and other things that aren't of the heart, are doomed to fail..."
OK, so why don't they fail?? Why do they stay together?
Why do they not say 'hey - this is just based on money - not love, let's go our separate ways and stop hurting each other and any kids we may have'

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"...Relationships / Marriages based on money, and other things that aren't of the heart, are doomed to fail..."
OK, so why don't they fail?? Why do they stay together?
Why do they not say 'hey - this is just based on money - not love, let's go our separate ways and stop hurting each other and any kids we may have'



A number of them do fail. Some stick it out.
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Ha. Yes I know they do. I don't understand WHY. Well the cynical part of me sees why.

I see them on the internet (on normal dating sites where people are trying to find someone to actually date and marry) saying "I am unhappily trapped in a marriage of duty but seeking someone to screw on the side who won't dob me in to my spouse."

I did write back and ask one why he remained in his unhappy marriage instead of calling it a day and maybe meeting someone he really loved and marrying them. He ignored me.
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I wonder about the audacity of some people such as yourself. You question and feign knowledge of a life you've never lived, you give false advice about a quandary you've never faced. Such arrogance is a downfall and I spit in your face parce que tes de arrogance.

Just so ya see it



See this is why they say never ASSume b/c when you do...you know the rest

Even though I don't have to explain a damn thing to you, I figured I will just so that you'll feel stupid by the time you're done reading this.

1. My father, grandfather & both brothers are/were in the military. My 1st love was in the military (yeah the 1 I was with for a lonnnnng time) & 3 of my best friends are in the military. So to say that I've never "lived that life" is a wrongful statement on YOUR behalf.


And even if I hadn't lived that life, there's never any harm in simply opening up a dialogue about certain topics. Especially if the topic has been discussed before.

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Posted by krysrenee7
Statistics suggest that marriage involving 1 or both members in the military have a higher divorce rate.

I wonder why that is?

Is it b/c of the constant distance, or the constant relocating that maybe puts lots of stress/strain on the relationship?

Or is it the personality changes (some for the worst!)that stem from being exposed to so many elements that the average person not in the military is barely exposed to?

I can't tell you how many times I've heard people say, "Don't date him if he's in the military b/c people in the military, especially the Marines, are crazy!"

I'm not saying I agree that military folks are crazy or don't have long-lasting relationships, but I often do wonder why so many studies suggest that these relationships often don't work out OR atleast don't have the same chances for working out as other types of relationships

There has to be something to it





I'll tell you the #1 and totally concealed reason why and a brief explanation.

They marry for benefits. The money, health insurance and housing. Pay will almost double, and the funds are required to go toward housing food etc (although that's not closely monitored, you would be expected to maintain a home off base if you're not in base housing) The spouse will get medical insurance, and the servicemen will be allowed to move off base and into the city (where is afforded A LOT MORE freedom to do as he pleases than he would otherwise on base). The money honey.

Relationships / Marriages based on money, and other things that aren't of the heart, are doomed to fail.

Get two young kids together (who by the way, are ENCOURAGED by the military to wed - because a happy servicemen who has a guaranteed suckie every night and warm meal is more likely to have motivation to get through a 7-12 month deployment...).. lets say ages 18 and 17 or a pairing of 25 and under and marry them. Again, destined to fail... not of age to handle the maturity needed to sustain a marriage.

Also, the long deployments. I have seen A TONNNNN of military wives shamelessly cheat on their husbands. And their excuse is, well he's gone [risking death without the privacy to even jerk off and no women around] and I'm lonely. Nice huh?

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that's about right.
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This is crass, but women who date military guys are the easiest to get down with. Im only saying that in the instance of them being together over a year though. Otherwise, those girls who havent been through the experience of long deployments still wear rose colored glasses.

Ive attracted more than my fair share of bored, horny military girlfriends/wives. The constant deployment which enhances lack of intimacy and sex makes girls look elsewhere for a temporary fix.

If I was a military man, I would sew my oats with the groupies, but never, ever, date or marry one. It just never works out.
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This is crass, but women who date military guys are the easiest to get down with. Im only saying that in the instance of them being together over a year though. Otherwise, those girls who havent been through the experience of long deployments still wear rose colored glasses.

Ive attracted more than my fair share of bored, horny military girlfriends/wives. The constant deployment which enhances lack of intimacy and sex makes girls look elsewhere for a temporary fix.

If I was a military man, I would sew my oats with the groupies, but never, ever, date or marry one. It just never works out.


You shouldn't really be shagging anyone's missus behind their backs but I can see your point. It's like having a marriage of convenience right ?
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I would never shag anyone's missus.
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I actually didn't just said I attracted them. I only didn't cause of feeling bad cause he's off in another part of the world risking his life. And his lady isn't mature enough to break it off with him if she's that lonely and horny. I wouldn't have an issue screwing a taken gal as long as I didn't know the guy. I never knew girls military bfs/husbands. Just took an exception since they were in the military. Believe it or not single women don't come easily to me. So going through a very long dry spell I take what I can get. Unless they're dating military then that's not a territory I wish to cross.
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ya know.... I grew up in a Military home, we never had issues of the skank kind...
and I wouldn't date anyone else at this point. I dated enough civ guys and they really irk me with their lack of maturity, understanding, respect, dedication and all these goodies anyone in Military applies to their private lives. At the age of 37 I decided that for me to be actually really happy, I would like someone beside me who will get my upbringing than not. It just blends well. There is a lot of marriages out there who do survive, regardless of constant amounts of training, field and deployments.

It takes two to make it work.
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I wonder about the audacity of some people such as yourself. You question and feign knowledge of a life you've never lived, you give false advice about a quandary you've never faced. Such arrogance is a downfall and I spit in your face parce que tes de arrogance.

Just so ya see it



See this is why they say never ASSume b/c when you do...you know the rest

Even though I don't have to explain a damn thing to you, I figured I will just so that you'll feel stupid by the time you're done reading this.

1. My father, grandfather & both brothers are/were in the military. My 1st love was in the military (yeah the 1 I was with for a lonnnnng time) & 3 of my best friends are in the military. So to say that I've never "lived that life" is a wrongful statement on YOUR behalf.


And even if I hadn't lived that life, there's never any harm in simply opening up a dialogue about certain topics. Especially if the topic has been discussed before.

ThatIsAll
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I was in the military, served a combat tour and was discharged honorably after fulfilling my contract.

Now, I have a question for you! Have you ever observed a friend/kin/loved one, etc go through a tough time or face a difficult situation? At the time, you can think to yourself that their situation sucks, you feel bad for em'..yadda yadda. But, what happens when YOU find yourself in that same situation later on in life? In that moment of realization, you realize the TRUE gravity of that other person's reality. IE, you are no longer observing and empathizing, but living that reality and experiencing it first-hand. It's a big difference in observing and experiencing right?

You see where I'm going with this?

and no, I don't feel stupid 🙂
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Ya Krys...

It's common sense why some military marriages don't pan out. So what is the discussion?

My real issue with you is this:

It seems like when someone posts a grievance, you always seem to insinuate or pointedly ask questions such as..."What did the man do to you?"

You're a mangry woman IMO.

I get angry at people such as yourself because you arrogantly give advice about shit you don't know enough to talk about.

IE, someone posts THEIR side of THEIR story and you feel you're wise enough to give advice without knowing the ENTIRE story.
Regardless of that, your advice is skewed because you don't see things clearly. You have issues and anger regarding men.
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you know people.
this topic shouldn't even exist.
I'm outta here - got a hot date with my Soldier on skype, kissed the man 2 weeks ago last time, won't touch him till after Xmas - but you know, the action I'm getting last the whole distance and time.
Things like time and space have little weight when two people care about each other, especially after living for a while already.
So my advice is this: use your words sparsely, lay of the Military, because as the old adage says: "if you can't stand behind them, feel free to stand right in front of them.".


love ya all, sexually frustrated for your freedom,

RF

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Visualize this:

Say you have a boyfriend and the guy is ALWAYS talking what women are doing wrong, or what they ain't doing at all. It's not an everyday thing, but it's consistent enough. IE, everytime the show "cheaters" or "maury" comes on and the dude makes comments about the woman...but never says much of anything about men. You can draw some conclusions about this right? The dude clearly has some anger/issues regarding women. You don't need to stick your head up a bull's ass to know it smells like shit in this situation right?

So in your own words, I have correctly drawn a conclusion.

I've noticed that people will show you who they are and their thought process perspective in the first words that leave their mouth. The first draft of a declaration or a concept etc. I'm not talking about when someone says "well this is what I meant to say" I mean what they actually said the first time. Paying attention to what someone says the FIRST time pays off.

I say that to say this..
If someone is constantly reaching a conclusion about what the man did to you, or how HE is wrong...even when the poster is a man talking about a woman..you can draw some conclusions right? You may not be 100% accurate, but ballpark right?

Now, as far as experiencing things first-hand. A little story..

I had an ex come here and post about me. The things she said were inaccurate and slanted in her favor to paint me as a bad guy. I'm not saying I was perfect, but my flaws were not what was being posted about. Now, a lot of people responded to her, Krys included and I can FIRST-HAND, the shit that was said was not only incorrect, but uninformed and offensive. In that post, I learned first-hand how inaccurate and foolish it is to reply to someone posting about their "other." I'm not expressing some anger towards Krys in what I'm saying now, just that I find some of the local "wise-men" around here, offensive.

Ya feel me?
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