What’s the deal with Orthodox Jews? (Page 2)

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their "deal" is -summed up in one word - : patriarchy.

they also interpret their holy texts in the literal sense.

they are living thousands of years in the past ....

They use modern money! And happy where they are! Do you know that Jews don’t solicit anyone to become Jewish? Just think about it!

i say get rid of all and any religions - see this world become a better place.

That’s what Jews do. Minding their own money...I mean business. Lol

i live in austria. i shall leave now.

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Mazeltov! Shalom Aleihem...

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Posted by NemDeux

their "deal" is -summed up in one word - : patriarchy.

they also interpret their holy texts in the literal sense.

they are living thousands of years in the past ....

They use modern money! And happy where they are! Do you know that Jews don’t solicit anyone to become Jewish? Just think about it!

i say get rid of all and any religions - see this world become a better place.

That’s what Jews do. Minding their own money...I mean business. Lol

i live in austria. i shall leave now.

Mazeltov! Shalom Aleihem...

look, hot al pacino!

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Awwwww...😱

Posted by IAteMyGrandmaInMonkeyTown

1968---------------------Poland

WTF was THAT? Lmao

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Posted by IAteMyGrandmaInMonkeyTown

1968---------------------Poland

WTF was THAT? Lmao

1968 was no different than the other dates. Wiki does not list 1968, so I added it as it's a fact.

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Do you think @BlueVelvet wanted to know THAT? Think again...

She had heard juicy shit about Jews and came here to dig dirt.

Where is she now?

@BlueVelvet

Next time, putzie, if you want to know juice about sex of any religion - just come and ask...how do you people fuck?

I bet you’ll get more what you want to hear! The end (of you lol)!!!

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@BlueVelvet

Next time, putzie, if you

want to know juice about sex of any religion - just come and ask...how do you people fuck?

I bet you’ll get more what you want to hear! The end (of you lol)!!!

She said sexist. That's more along the lines of gender roles and less about actual fucking.

Just wanted to be sure you knew what she was referring to. She didnt asked if Jews like raw dog tantric sex.

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You are so easy to fool, Cheerios!

..people will never like you..

which people, who?

That is some generalised fucking sweeping statement

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Posted by Foxy777

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Posted by IAteMyGrandmaInMonkeyTown

Posted by Foxy777

You mean we legally owned the land but gentile kings and governments saw they could take it by brute force by stirring up jew hatred.

Maybe your statement is valid, I don't know. Don't remember from history.

My word "land" was a metaphor. I was talking about your biggest sin called Usuary. Through out history you managed to enslave nations directly and indirectly using it. Hence you can own the buildings, but people will never like you. Your financial gain is directly proportional to people disliking you. Hence you are always expelled, hence the Land comment from me.

Starting from Jesus (which I don't believe in), through Spain in 1400-1500, through George Washington, murderer Hitler, and all the way to current world, people always treated you the same, and there is a reason for it.

Read carefully if you think this is an attacking or racist post. I actually feel bad for the Jews.

You have no idea what the word usury means do you?

It means to take EXCESSIVE interest from money lending.

Lots of Christians were money lenders. Money lending was not is not a sin in Christianity.

But throughout medieval texts and history people found Jewish Money lenders to be more honest and fair than christian ones.

And they were good at it. And they were good to people. Jewish money built most of the oldest Christian Churches.



Christian money lenders often ignored laws and charged higher interest.

Popes themselves where huge moneylenders.

The Medici were some of the biggest money lenders in Europe and they beat or killed people who didn't pay them back.



Good people like jews. Anti Semites like YOU don't.



talmud is what dictates jewish law ..its the debating and analysis by learned jewish scholars....it dictates what is fair in money lending. For instance you can't let someone put up something they actually need like a car or a house as insurance against a loan. If people take out a loan expecting to make 500 dollars one week and they make 100 dollars you can't force them to pay it back. Under jewish law that is theft.

Kings and nobles borrowed from jewish money lenders because they were fair. There were many gentile money lenders ...they were just more 'forceful' if you will.



And no Judaism doesn't think money is evil like Christianity ....dirty money is evil. Righteous money

Also the fact that gentiles seemingly don't understand what the word 'usury' even means might prove challenging.

The rates of interest charged by Jews never approached the rates charged by Christian lenders, including Church authorities. That is historical fact.

The vatican has its own bank FFS. Christians build huge churches while people starve and they are all in debt and they can't even read a balance sheet.

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can you plz point me to your references?

as far as I know, medieval Christian were banned to charge any kind of interest on loans (that was usury) , it was forbidden by the nicae council, and a heresy by the 12 century

also jews are forbidden to charge each other interest according to deuteronomy, they can however, charge non jews, I think that's one of the reasons they were charged with usury so much throughout Europe.

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@BlueVelvet

Next time, putzie, if you

want to know juice about sex of any religion - just come and ask...how do you people fuck?

I bet you’ll get more what you want to hear! The end (of you lol)!!!

She said sexist. That's more along the lines of gender roles and less about actual fucking.

Just wanted to be sure you knew what she was referring to. She didnt asked if Jews like raw dog tantric sex.

You are so easy to fool, Cheerios!

You're so easy, fool.. Fruit Loops!

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Your joke is off by a mile, rice pudding!

Posted by Foxy777

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Posted by IAteMyGrandmaInMonkeyTown

Posted by Foxy777

You mean we legally owned the land but gentile kings and governments saw they could take it by brute force by stirring up jew hatred.

Maybe your statement is valid, I don't know. Don't remember from history.

My word "land" was a metaphor. I was talking about your biggest sin called Usuary. Through out history you managed to enslave nations directly and indirectly using it. Hence you can own the buildings, but people will never like you. Your financial gain is directly proportional to people disliking you. Hence you are always expelled, hence the Land comment from me.

Starting from Jesus (which I don't believe in), through Spain in 1400-1500, through George Washington, murderer Hitler, and all the way to current world, people always treated you the same, and there is a reason for it.

Read carefully if you think this is an attacking or racist post. I actually feel bad for the Jews.

You have no idea what the word usury means do you?

It means to take EXCESSIVE interest from money lending.

Lots of Christians were money lenders. Money lending was not is not a sin in Christianity.

But throughout medieval texts and history people found Jewish Money lenders to be more honest and fair than christian ones.

And they were good at it. And they were good to people. Jewish money built most of the oldest Christian Churches.



Christian money lenders often ignored laws and charged higher interest.

Popes themselves where huge moneylenders.

The Medici were some of the biggest money lenders in Europe and they beat or killed people who didn't pay them back.



Good people like jews. Anti Semites like YOU don't.



talmud is what dictates jewish law ..its the debating and analysis by learned jewish scholars....it dictates what is fair in money lending. For instance you can't let someone put up something they actually need like a car or a house as insurance against a loan. If people take out a loan expecting to make 500 dollars one week and they make 100 dollars you can't force them to pay it back. Under jewish law that is theft.

Kings and nobles borrowed from jewish money lenders because they were fair. There were many gentile money lenders ...they were just more 'forceful' if you will.



And no Judaism doesn't think money is evil like Christianity ....dirty money is evil. Righteous money

Also the fact that gentiles seemingly don't understand what the word 'usury' even means might prove challenging.

The rates of interest charged by Jews never approached the rates charged by Christian lenders, including Church authorities. That is historical fact.

The vatican has its own bank FFS. Christians build huge churches while people starve and they are all in debt and they can't even read a balance sheet.

can you plz point me to your references?

as far as I know, medieval Christian were banned to charge any kind of interest on loans (that was usury) , it was forbidden by the nicae council, and a heresy by the 12 century

also jews are forbidden to charge each other interest according to deuteronomy, they can however, charge non jews, I think that's one of the reasons they were charged with usury so much throughout Europe.

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Oh please

https://www.moneymuseum.com/en/moneymuseum/all-stories-moneymuseum/lend-money-go-to-hell-325?slbox=true

You are so naive.

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but your own link point out how charging interest was banned, and the worst kind of people used shitty loops to do "business"

them you go pointing out Christians as a whole?

and you're mad at the OP!? WTF

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..people will never like you..

which people, who?

That is some generalised fucking sweeping statement

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I know its weird ..generally people who don't like jews like ALL jews are not good people

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Small minded mentality👎🏻

My father used to say Jewish people were envied because they are astute at business

Posted by BlueVelvet

I always respected Jews for their values in education and financial stability. But i never lived around Orthodox Jews before. What justifies their weird sexist beliefs?

I have some Sephardic Jew blood, but I am an agnostic.

I also live in a very catholic country, and can't explain how much I detest that church and all the "values" it brings to the world. It is really shameful what that church did and does today.

Regarding your question, I don't know what could clasify as "weird sexist belief", but I did study Jews when I was younger, and from what I remember is that Hasidic Jews' women shave their head and put wigs or scarves on, cause in that way they are thought modesty. Is it weird? For me, yes. And it is not only about Judaism; any strange things like that from any religion are generally weird to me.

Sitting at the back of the car is not something horrible per se, but it implies the religion's stance on women, being second class people, etc.

Weren't the black people allowed to sit only at the very end of the buses, or not at all if it was packed with whites? Did it lead to the revolution? I don't think it was that harmless, it clearly implied inequality.

I do agree with someone's statement that as long as it doesn't harm you, you shouldn't have any problem with that.

But things are not that simple as they sound, wherever there's rigidity there's an oppression (in different forms).

I remember a story where a christian woman got in the jail for wearing a necklace with a little cross in some muslim country, while the muslims raise protest if they are not allowed to wear hijabs in a non muslim countries.

The moral of it all, every rigidity is inevitably harmful for someone.

Every organized religion out there centered around a male deity is sexist.

Christianity

Judaism

Mormonism

Islam

Etc.

Posted by Foxy777

The more you read about Judaism the more you will realize why it was a Jew who gave the sermon on the mount.

Do tell please.

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Posted by BlueVelvet

I always respected Jews for their values in education and financial stability. But i never lived around Orthodox Jews before. What justifies their weird sexist beliefs?

I have some Sephardic Jew blood, but I am an agnostic.

I also live in a very catholic country, and can't explain how much I detest that church and all the "values" it brings to the world. It is really shameful what that church did and does today.

Regarding your question, I don't know what could clasify as "weird sexist belief", but I did study Jews when I was younger, and from what I remember is that Hasidic Jews' women shave their head and put wigs or scarves on, cause in that way they are thought modesty. Is it weird? For me, yes. And it is not only about Judaism; any strange things like that from any religion are generally weird to me.

Sitting at the back of the car is not something horrible per se, but it implies the religion's stance on women, being second class people, etc.

Weren't the black people allowed to sit only at the very end of the buses, or not at all if it was packed with whites? Did it lead to the revolution? I don't think it was that harmless, it clearly implied inequality.

I do agree with someone's statement that as long as it doesn't harm you, you shouldn't have any problem with that.

But things are not that simple as they sound, wherever there's rigidity there's an oppression (in different forms).

I remember a story where a christian woman got in the jail for wearing a necklace with a little cross in some muslim country, while the muslims raise protest if they are not allowed to wear hijabs in a non muslim countries.

The moral of it all, every rigidity is inevitably harmful for someone.

IMO its up to the women what they do. If they want to practice tnzius let them.

I don't see it as rigidity. I have never heard of someone shaving their head though ..people usually wear a wig or nothing

Even a lot of orthodox women don't cover their hair .....not all orthodox couples practice family purity either ..or do it intermittently

When you look at the reasons behind it all ..its often quite beautiful.

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I think what OP wanted to know is the treatment of women in more rigid Jews' communities. And they do shave their heads and cover them with wigs. Some just wear wigs. Even if it's not harmful in itself, it does say something about women's status. The actual bold head is not the problem, it is the philosophy behind it and generally the view on women and their place in society.

But I really don't want to get into the discussion about religion and treatment of women, cause it upsets me every time.

I just think it's not fair. And I'm not feminist or any fighter for women's rights.

I just feel and see when seemingly a harmless, but unusual thing is just a tip of the iceberg which hides more darker and scarier truths.

Posted by IAteMyGrandmaInMonkeyTown

Your stories are beautiful. Tell them to debt ridden America, and it's reality of borrowing money from third world countries to pay off interest on it's debt. Enslaved by the corrupted power of the central bank, over centuries.

Are you serious? US is borrowing money from third world countries?

Where those countries are getting the money from?

Posted by Foxy777

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Posted by Foxy777

You mean we legally owned the land but gentile kings and governments saw they could take it by brute force by stirring up jew hatred.

Maybe your statement is valid, I don't know. Don't remember from history.

My word "land" was a metaphor. I was talking about your biggest sin called Usuary. Through out history you managed to enslave nations directly and indirectly using it. Hence you can own the buildings, but people will never like you. Your financial gain is directly proportional to people disliking you. Hence you are always expelled, hence the Land comment from me.

Starting from Jesus (which I don't believe in), through Spain in 1400-1500, through George Washington, murderer Hitler, and all the way to current world, people always treated you the same, and there is a reason for it.

Read carefully if you think this is an attacking or racist post. I actually feel bad for the Jews.

You have no idea what the word usury means do you?

It means to take EXCESSIVE interest from money lending.

Lots of Christians were money lenders. Money lending was not is not a sin in Christianity.

But throughout medieval texts and history people found Jewish Money lenders to be more honest and fair than christian ones.

And they were good at it. And they were good to people. Jewish money built most of the oldest Christian Churches.



Christian money lenders often ignored laws and charged higher interest.

Popes themselves where huge moneylenders.

The Medici were some of the biggest money lenders in Europe and they beat or killed people who didn't pay them back.



Good people like jews. Anti Semites like YOU don't.



talmud is what dictates jewish law ..its the debating and analysis by learned jewish scholars....it dictates what is fair in money lending. For instance you can't let someone put up something they actually need like a car or a house as insurance against a loan. If people take out a loan expecting to make 500 dollars one week and they make 100 dollars you can't force them to pay it back. Under jewish law that is theft.

Kings and nobles borrowed from jewish money lenders because they were fair. There were many gentile money lenders ...they were just more 'forceful' if you will.



And no Judaism doesn't think money is evil like Christianity ....dirty money is evil. Righteous money

Also the fact that gentiles seemingly don't understand what the word 'usury' even means might prove challenging.

The rates of interest charged by Jews never approached the rates charged by Christian lenders, including Church authorities. That is historical fact.

The vatican has its own bank FFS. Christians build huge churches while people starve and they are all in debt and they can't even read a balance sheet.

can you plz point me to your references?

as far as I know, medieval Christian were banned to charge any kind of interest on loans (that was usury) , it was forbidden by the nicae council, and a heresy by the 12 century

also jews are forbidden to charge each other interest according to deuteronomy, they can however, charge non jews, I think that's one of the reasons they were charged with usury so much throughout Europe.

-_-

Oh please

https://www.moneymuseum.com/en/moneymuseum/all-stories-moneymuseum/lend-money-go-to-hell-325?slbox=true

You are so naive.

but your own link point out how charging interest was banned, and the worst kind of people used shitty loops to do "business"

them you go pointing out Christians as a whole?

and you're mad at the OP!? WTF

You bet i am mad at the OP.

No it was christians as a whole ....read the history of banking please.

Yes Jews played a part. But the knights Templars for instance were also bankers.

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your mad at the OP for their generalization but you then follow in the same path, if it is a bait, why you take it.

"Please remember the torah is slightly different to your bible"

I know that, but I can't read hebrew, so the bible is what I use(the old testament ofc)

they can try to interpret it as much as they want, but some part are way too simple, and that is one, is even repeated after, people from the tribes of israel werent suppose to charge interest to each other, jews are descendant front judah, they should follow that, do I believe they do? but ofc they freaking don't, that would be kinda stupid.

if the one making the rules can't enforce them they are wishful thinking, but at least they tried.

I love the history of banking, and jews sometimes do get the credit, they basically created true banking in europe, the fact that they could charge interest was a great tool for the monarch, also they were good at tax collection, both thing are a reason for the antisemitism in europe, no one likes the bankers and the tax collectors.

and why let a crusade get in the way of a little business? the reason for the templars and the hospitallers being bankers are a different thing, shady as it was, there was a need to be able to move money for the pilgrims, AFAIK they forced people to get "insurance" in both their deposit or their loan, as their rules didn't apply to "insurances"

but considering the templars ended burning in the stakes cuz the french owned them too much money, I think they did pay their "usury" something very christian if you ask me.

Posted by Foxy777

I don't use generalizations. Usury is not just money lending it never has been. Its money lending under certain circumstances. Money lending was never banned by the church. Just under certain very complex circumstances.

Because illiteracy was so high it was probably most gentiles thought it was or had issues understanding law etc.

Even now we give out about crooks on wallstreet etc.

Many monasteries gave out mortgages. Throughout early Medieval Europe, the local church or a wealthy family was often the only source of capital, especially outside the major commercial centres. Many peasants bought their land by getting mortgages from a monastery.

Debt became essential to fighting wars, which both monarchs and the Pope needed to fund.

The church looked down upon usury not moneylending. They looked down upon unethical money lending. What that is was probably too complex for your average medieval illiterate peasant so they lumped usury and money lending in together which a lot of people still do and think the catholic church banned money lending when in fact it didn't.

It condemned BAD money lenders not ethical ones.

I wish i could make you see that the whole usury thing is just propaganda over centuries used against jews.

So much so maybe we even believe it ourselves at this stage.

you said "No it was christians as a whole...." I think that's generalization.

I want to point out, that post that you were quoting, I dint use the word lend not even once, and the word usury was used in quotation, so I don't need an explanation of lending.

in early christianism usury was anything above 0% of interest not "very complex circumstances" no, just any kind of interest was usury, although there was some controversy, they used luke 6.34 "And if you lend only to those from whom you hope to get it back, why should you receive a blessing? Even sinners lend to sinners, to get back the same amount!" as a foundation to the idea that if you lend, you shall receive the same amount, anything else was usury, and before the renaissance the church stance only hardened on it.

jews were exempt from christian laws, so they were a tool for the monarchy to lend with interest, anytime shit got difficult with the plebs, the jews got expelled, a form of easy scapegoat.

--Many monasteries gave out mortgages. Throughout early Medieval Europe, the local church or a wealthy family was often the only source of capital, especially outside the major commercial centres. Many peasants bought their land by getting mortgages from a monastery--

in medieval europe the land belonged to the crown, no one was buying land, so Idk where this mortgage thing is coming from, anyone was a tenant of the crown, that's what feudalism is, they get to work the land and pay taxes for it.

perhaps you mean the mount of piety? that's a renaissance thing though, and they were made to "rid the city of Jewish moneylenders and to replace them with Christian pawnshops" -some asshole priest.

--The church looked down upon usury not moneylending. They looked down upon unethical money lending--

yeah but anything with an interest rate was "unethical" to the church, so pretty much lending money was a very stupid idea, no one wanted to do that, that's why jews were welcome, cuz they were the ones allowed and therefore willing to lend money to make a profit, also they weren't allowed to get land, as the land was leased by christian nobility, but at the same time, that made them bad rep, both with the poor that felt taken advantage of, and the rich that saw money going somewhere besides their own pockets, needless to say, after the 15 century, europeans wanted to take the whole pie.

--I wish i could make you see that the whole usury thing is just propaganda over centuries used against jews--

I wish I could make you see how stupid society and religion were in the middle ages.

I've never met a jewish person who wasn't privileged or came from a very good family