Do you believe in karma..??

There are other 'worlds' beyond the 'physical' for sure, is that the realms of mass delusions we are living in? Or we are communicated about going to 'Halls of Learning' in our non-physical world and how our spiritual 'university' where people came to learn some tough lessons and work out their 'karmas'.

"Do you think the Infinite has to go to school to learn anything when it knows everything there is to know?"

As for 'karma', the idea that we experience what we have made others experience. Then "Why should the Infinite have to experience what it has made itself experience?"

The idea of karma was a Matrix manipulation to indoctrinate beliefs in the passage of 'time' - it's my karma from a past life or am I building karma for the future?

Are we all living in time loop in some sort of Devin madness— Since when does God (and/or the aspects of it) need to learn 'lessons'? Or are we creatures that have to struggle in many life cycles, just to manage to be given one real CHANCE - if ever.


Time for some serious mind power people.

Action and reaction is the only law of this reality some may call it ?karma' law, I don't suggest anything.

As the say in new age stuff thing?. If we are god? or we are at least part of god and the god is infinite according to the organised religion beliefs then "Why should the Infinite have to experience what it has made itself experience?"

Again?

"Do you think the Infinite has to go to school to learn anything when it knows everything there is to know?"

And for the future reference, please don't call me hon. /honey or sugar coating titles, I am not use to it and I'll take it as a personal insult.

Simple Q is great, then I'll know that you are a friendly neighbour.

Thank you for the attention

let me pour some logic in here...

The human brain is a lot of neurons which is nothing but a lot of chemicals. Every human impulse is a lot of chemical reactions. Every thought is a chemical reaction. Every memory is a chemical reaction from the viewer's perspective.

So once a human dies all chemical reactions for the upkeep of the body cease. the body along with the brain disintegrates to various chemicals to be absorbed by different plants, animals, bacteria etc.right? so no impulses, no thoughts, no memories. NOTHING is left.

So now tell me can there be Karma. can there be rebirth, life after death. can there be 'soul'?

so once a human dies all chemical reactions for the upkeep of the body cease. the body along with the brain disintegrates to various chemicals to be absorbed by different plants, animals, bacteria etc.right? so no impulses, no thoughts, no memories. NOTHING is left.


This is what I am thinking and studying/researching it for almost 12 years in anthropology/mythology/pure metaphysics (not the hula-bulla of paranormal stuff)/astronomy and later in astrology (in its scientific form of course).

But my questions is still around.."Do you think the Infinite has to go to school to learn anything when it knows everything there is to know?"


So now tell me can there be Karma. Can there be rebirth, life after death. Can there be 'soul'?

I believing in spirit soul I am not familiar with —you mean ghost??..? or drive mechanism to this mechanical body?

fumingli_scorp

You know we Virgos are direct and harsh sometimes, at least we are honest, so don't get upset about my last comments please.

One of the rules I've learnt after all these years I spent on this planet and gradually becomes my motto is the early warning is always better than the later compromises.

If I can see it, I can explain it. If I know how it works, then it is done and The Stars put me in control on every aspects of its existence.

This is my only explainable (in words) logic.

I am not sure about other Virgos thou??_

Who am I? What is the essence I call my spirit? Does my spirit have roots in a past as ancient as the universe itself? Does my spirit end with my death, or does it live on until the end of time?

Why do I sometimes sense-deep in my unconscious-flickering images from another age, experiences going back long before my birth?

Are these dream-like images and ancient thoughts also present in the heart of every one of my cells, constantly harmonizing and coordinating all the movements of this marvellous machine-my body?

by Jean-Emile Charon, a renowned physicist and metaphysician.





After almost 50 years of existence in this planet, still I can not answer these two profound questions...

1 — Who am I?
2 — What do I want?

Dr. Q,

I don't believe in Karma. I'm a Christian. I believe in Free Will, and that the choices we make have real consequences - in this world, and in the Kingdom Come.

As for your two questions:

1. Who am I? I am that I am.
2. What do I want? I want what every man wants: Regular sex, regular food, and a warm place to go to the bathroom!

Time for some serious mind power people.

Okay, you asked for it!

I think your central issues can be simplified by separating the material from the spiritual. Human beings, endowed by their Creator, are able to experience both realms, but at times are compelled to regard one as more "real" than the other...

The more we learn of the material universe, the more we tend to disregard the spiritual. This is unfortunate. Just as there's more to life than making money, there's more to the universe than atoms & galaxies...

The Buddha once said: You are It. Science says you are the culmination of billions of years of evolution without divine direction. You know better. It's the innate knowledge that makes us different from every other creature on this planet...

Walt Whitman once wrote:
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When I heard the learn'd astronomer;
When the proofs, the figures, were ranged in columns before me;
When I was shown the charts and the diagrams, to add, divide, and
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When I, sitting, heard the astronomer, where he lectured with much
applause in the lecture-room,
How soon, unaccountable, I became tired and sick;
Till rising and gliding out, I wander'd off by myself,
In the mystical moist night-air, and from time to time,
Look'd up in perfect silence at the stars.

Lmao... that was a cool one Dy.

I don't believe in Karma. I'm a Christian. I believe in Free Will, and that the choices we make have real consequences - in this world, and in the Kingdom Come.

I'll correct your statement above as freedom of choice, free will does not exist.


For the rest, well every men alive likes warm bead, hot meals, hot ladies and cold beers any way.

sorry for the couple of typos...

Gotta say, You're Wrong Dr Q!

There most certainly is Free Will...

Rush sang about it:

You can choose a ready guide
In some celestial voice
If you choose not to decide
You still have made a choice

You can choose from phantom fears
And kindness that can kill
I will choose a path thats clear
I will choose free will

The more we learn of the material universe, the more we tend to disregard the spiritual. This is unfortunate. Just as there's more to life than making money, there's more to the universe than atoms & galaxies...

Completely agree with you on this..

I believe Emanuel dekart once said, the more we dig into the universe the more we'll find the images of what we want to know, not the truth, not the reality.

I've never claimed that I am/was right?!


Hence the questions

And what you said about free will is (societies moral responsibilities against their action) still it is not free will.

We are always ready to take refuge in a belief in determinism if this freedom weighs upon us or if we need an excuse. A person with the character of a murderer has no choice other than to murder, but can still be punished because it is right to punish those of bad character?

Freewill or freedom of choice?

If I was born with some birth defects like humpback of Notre dame that cause me to do something that it is not acceptable in society, then am I responsible fro my actions or god's church or any religions?

Where should I go..??
Who am I..??
What is my karma level..?? is it pay back for what I've done in the past..??


Things like this..!

some thoughts from the logical side.......

Who am i ?
An organism like many.

Where should i go ?
Where ever you need to go to survive.

Please look up the "Bhagavath Gita" to know more about Karma.

thoughts from the illogical side.......
How is it that especially during a crisis we feel like being guided in life.
As if by happenstance we come to see/hear things that help us survive.
As if by miracle we say or do things without knowing its significance and then in the end find that if we had done otherwise, we would have died.
Wonder if there is a reason we are alive and if so for what purpose.
The surprises of life....... is everything predestined.

Hey Q,

I do believe in karma. But I think it's important not to get too wrapped up in it. I think life is full of beginnings and endings, and it's very important to continue focusing on moving forward in life and not getting stuck in the past and with issues from the past.

I am confident that we have choice, but that some things are destined...I don't believe that every single little thing is, I think our choices and the way we learn in turn effect our destiny.

🙂

darn..

someone woke me up..!

I already know what I need to know (in personal level). Just wanted to share it and also knowing how many of you share the same point of view.

Lets start the debate.

Teilhard de Chardin

Teilhard studied what he called the rise of spirit, or evolution of consciousness, in the universe. The universe, he argued, strives towards higher consciousness, and does so by arranging itself into more complex structures.

He claimed that although it is not evident, consciousness (in an extremely limited degree) exists even in rocks, as the Law of Complexity/Consciousness implies. In plants, matter is complex enough to exhibit a consciousness that is the very life of the plant. In animals, matter is complex enough to an extraordinary degree to where consciousness shows itself in a wide range of reactionary movement to the whole universe.

However, Teilhard here proposed another level of consciousness, to which human beings belong, because of their cognitive ability; i.e. their ability to 'think'. Human beings, Teilhard argued, represent the layer of consciousness which has "folded back in upon itself", and has become self-conscious. Julian Huxley, Teilhard's scientific colleague, described it like this:

"evolution is nothing but matter become conscious of itself.



Still with me..??

The chart is quite self explanatory so no need for me here but only one point??_

The omega point, from bottom t to top is one way ticket, which means no reincarnation, and also no karma thing.

Then we have another master mind...

Jean Emile Charon


He is one of the most respected metaphysician in the known universe.

He believes that, electrons with their spin and their behaviour create consciousness.

Also argues that when we die we disintegrating in to our primary materials (atoms) and then we spreading around the galaxy or what ever...

Which means when I die billions of me goes around, some may land in cows, others me(s) get in to pigs, some vegetables, some of me(s) goes even outside of earth in to the space ands in some other planets or stars or joining in the tail of comet and goes beyond the solar system etc.

Where are the laws of karmas in here? Or even reincarnations..??

The we have

Carlos Castaneda

I personally love this man and his researches.

In one of his precious books (the eagles nest), his main character/teacher (Don Joan), before leaving to the next dimension of existence, he tells him something about eagle and its gaze.

He says, when we leave this life/existence, we all going to the eagle whether we are good or bad but his gaze focusing on those with the superior knowledge when we are acceptable we become a part of it (note: I am not sure what will happen to the rest).

Come on take the book and read it, it is fascinating.


Still no damn mention of karma nor the reincarnations thing..!

Now I think it is enough for one day??_ lets start thinking first??_.

May??_.. Don Juan forgive my typos??_

oddball73

Never seen you before...welcome to this virgo corner, virgo??_

karma doesn't exist but I think we should have the belief and enforce it because it helps control the masses of selfish people with no internal sense of justice, who would otherwise go loose and cause major havoc/damage to others

karma belongs to the genre of reward/punishment models such as heaven/hell, nirvana/the other bad thing, good/bad reincarnation ... etc etc

personally I have had moments where believing in karma felt nice and served as a big ego boost but I soon realised that it can be a major source of complacency so I now take it the way I take my alcohol .. in proportion

because it helps control the masses of selfish people with no internal sense of justice, who would otherwise go loose and cause major havoc/damage to others


This is exactly what organised evil religions want and does in ages.


It's a fear kingdom. Do you like to live with a natural loving human morals and ethics or get forced to scared until you obey the false and inhuman laws..?

I agree with you Qbone ... this is exactly the method used by organised religions since the dawn of time, only this time it is used for the overall good of mankind rather than for personal whims

the problem isn't with the method but with the context it is used in ... in theological belief systems ethics were assumed to be divinely inspired, they were however the creation of the authorities of those religions and were deduced to a large degree using a non-rational thinking mind ... simply because most major religions originated in unstable environments

now we know better and we can make our own ethics based on general consensus (democracy) and by learning from history, we can also use science too

for eg the current social model of freedom of speech and peaceful co-existence has proven very fruitful and any "beleif" that enforces such model should be encouraged by any means .. karma is just one of these means and it has the benefit of being detached from the big machinery to which hell/heaven is attached to.

now we know better and we can make our own ethics based on general consensus (democracy) and by learning from history, we can also use science too


Good??_.but not acceptable??_! Why?

As we grow, we know only more, not better! We are trapped in time line and time is linear and knows only one way??_.--— FORWARD

Those political terms are only valid at social levels in human societies with (inhuman experiences and laws), do you really need democracy when you are all alone..?

We are all being born alone into this phase (including insects to human life form), when we leave, we??ll do it alone as well.

Simple equations??_

Nobody asked me (do you want to be born in to this life) and when my time comes no one will ever going ask me (do you want to end it)..??

I don't believe in ghost's stories or afterlife things..!

The forwardness of time line won't allow you to get back in time and learn from your previous failures and start all over again in different direction(s).

TIME LOOP??_ referring to my very first post??_!


Told you people??_ It's time to very serious brain powers..!


We all need it, time is very short for the next jump..!

I think we know more and we also know better because we have amassed all this tested-and-tried knowledge

I see your point about having no choice of coming into this life but here we are and there are two choices, first go against the established order from scratch ( the anarchists argument ) or work within the established order and tone it to your convictions ( which also should come from tested and tried methods rather than presumed divine revelation )

needless to say the first argument is simply not practical, all you can do is press for more personal freedom, so you have to work within the established set of ethics/morals of your society

but again as my original argument holds one must ensure that these sets of morals are derived from rational/scientific thinking

I used to until recently. I never do anybody wrong, treat people wrong or wish anything bad on anybody and the past three months have been S***ty. I got my hand smashed at work which resulted in a couple broken fingers and pins. Then i get my car stolen and get it back a few days later with everything stolen from the inside and a few days after that a drunk guy rear ends my car while im parked. If i didnt have bad luck i wouldnt have any luck at all lol

Fallstar: "Just because you virgos don't comprehend the order of the unvierse does not mean that it doesn't exsist ."

I have no difficulty what-so-ever comprehending this, and I am a virgo sun. All of my closest virgoan friends are spiritual people as well (birds of a feather flock together hey!). I don't think that was a particularly accurate observation on your part... I simply fail to see what relevance a sun-sign has in relation to spiritual development / perspective. I've known solar scorpios who've believed in nothing but what science can prove, and according to astrology they're supposed to be the sign that is most into occult studies etc...I completely agree with everything else that you posted though 🙂


Q: Thanks for the welcome 🙂 I have actually been around here since April / May, but I don't really post unless I feel I have something worthwhile to contribute.

science is the only thing closest to truth and the only thing to be beleived if this pathetic species want to remain on this rock

this is part of the scientific method, theoris which can not be reproduced over and over and over in the lab are on equal footing with Santa ... they are not truths, they are mere preceptions and this is where karma belongs.

we all lead our lives with so many of these, they can be quite helpful and we are rarly aware of their potential danger until crisis hit us

then we do two things, escape to another perception if we can afford to ... if we can't then the truth hits us and we either crumble or come out completely messed up

this is fine for one person, do as you please but for mankind as a whole it isn't because it means lives lost and devastation on a large scale

the crusaders who believed in heaven ended up ravishing towns and cities, the modern day jihadi's ended up blowing buildings .. these people are dust now but lives were lost because of their unfounded preceptions

i see karma belonging to the same genre, if taken positively which is ok just about now in human history than it's fine but it has a bad side where you have competing parties and each one saying well the other side have it coming because of what they did ... in that sense karma becomes institutionalised revenge

unfortunatelly at this stage in human history competition is showing us her ugly face, oil is runing out, the planet is becoming overpopulated, global warming is threatening mass immigration with all the social turmoil that brings

so this is why it is about time to start toning down these loopholes which have the potential to grow to disastrous proportions, the fight isn't over yet with organised religion let alone when you start adding the occult

Geez, talk about focus on the negatives.

Yeah, there are extremists in the world which is an unfortunate reality.. But some people just get fanatical about things, and contort their beliefs until they barely even resemble what they started out as.

People are free to believe whatever they want, but I very much doubt that a belief in karmic justice is going to result in "devastation on a large scale"...For karma is completely beyond the control and / or manipulation of human kind.

Yes, many religions may use fear as a basis for control. But I have not heard of karma being discussed in this light, it just seems wrong and quite the opposite of what it is intended to represent...Karma is supposed to be viewed as neutral, it's nothing to be feared it's just a cleansing and learning process. The problem has nothing to do with karma itself, or the concept of karma...It has to do with fanatical extremists.

Don't know whether it's karma but things really do have a habit of biting one in the rear.

I have seen soo many occurrences of this. Where one holds back and witnesses the wrongdoers getting their comeuppance. Whatever goes around indeed does come around..It takes time but boy does it come back..

Silence is golden. Revenge is pitiful.

That doesn't make sense to anyone unfortunately..But I am a firm believer of there being a reason for everything in life. Maybe it is preordained. I try not making sense of the incomprehnsible. Why waste energy on shit that can't be understood or controlled.

Curiousity killed the cat and all that...I am curious in only things I have a geniune interest in. F**ked up individual I do not have an interest in..

huh? what was what?

What you doing this xmas day?

SHark Tale is on tv..love that film!..

And I am trying to improve on some belly dancing moves..Shakira..eat your heart out!

Hahaha, I couldn't agree with you more Miss Morals 🙂

ctoun, I don't think I did a very good job of explaining myself lol. It was quite a late night 😕 haha! Sometimes I really am not good at explaining what I mean, which is weird since I have mercury in virgo! I'll try again...

With the whole concept of devastation of large proportions in mind, I was meaning that the concept of karma is above the manipulation of human beings for their own benefit or as part of some twisted fanatical belief. Karma is above us all, and for anyone to try and control the "how and when karmic justice will be done" would be quite stupid and mean that they had no real understanding of what karma is all about. No one has that control over karma, for it is above and beyond us as human beings.

Hmm I hope that was better lol! 🙂