Kinky Virgo (Page 2)

cappygolightly: therefore we should just accept what whatever happens on the planet is normal to someone.

So... you should be cool with a guy raping you, if that's part of his definition of "normal" behavior...

You. Are. Absolutely. Wrong.

Prince,

Don't want to pry, and you're free to tell me to shut the fuck up, but: Are you still an anal virgin??

Posted by DyarStra??_e

cappygolightly: therefore we should just accept what whatever happens on the planet is normal to someone.

So... you should be cool with a guy raping you, if that's part of his definition of "normal" behavior...

You. Are. Absolutely. Wrong.

oooooooooooooooo, wait, wait DY ... thats not what she's trying to say. You know that lol. We are just all different and were raised differently.

Perfect example -- theres a girl that my Gemini brother is about to get involved with and I think she is about as close to "trash" as they come. I know a great deal about this girl and the 'gutter' is way to clean for her, she can make it filthier in my opinion. I don't want any parts of her. However, some of the guys she's been with thought she was awesome while they were together lol. Now after they broke up, she was nothing but a whore but thats besides the point.

My brother and I were raised a separately and a bit differently but we are close none-the-less.

No, my point in starting this thread: As a Virgo, I find anal sex abnormal - and impractical.

Women are uniquely equipped with a primary, self-lubricating, sexual orifice.

Why would any man want to poke his dick up a woman's pooper??

Unless... He's secretly fantasizing that She is a He...

Y'all think about it.

Thanks, Prince, for your candor.

The reason I asked: In my coursework on Abnormal Psychology, we were taught that male homosexuals found that their anal deflowering was a defining moment for their identities as gay men.

THAT might be an interesting thread in and of itself - if you'd care to start it.

Ive not given my personal view here.

Why not? What are you afraid of? This is an anonymous forum, you know...

I have no problem posting my thoughts and opinions on DXP - it's part of the learning process...

Prince: or maybe they really are fantasizing about a male

Aha! I knew it!

I feel like Olympia Dukakis in Moonstruck, when she finally got her question answered: Why do men cheat? Because they fear death.

Prince: I pretend that i am though...

Why? Do the gay guys want a virgin butt??

you are getting off on the anal chat

No. You and I were debating moral relativism.

I made my position quite clear. You have not.

my personal view is not relevant to the point Im trying to make.

cappygolightly
[Quote] 5/16/2009 9:35:40 AM | ip: xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx

I am saying it is all part of life DS. Wrong and right are determined by peers.

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Care to defend that point?

Thought not. It's in defensible.

Prince: do you mean it was their defining moment in what sexual role they'll be during sex? or do you mean that was when they knew for sure they were gay?

Both.

A Bottom accepts his bottomness, and a gay man finally accepts his homosexuality. After his first experience with anal sex, neither fact can be denied.

satori: So because more people are straight than gay, they are abnormal?

Yes. Normed behaviors are those engaged in by a majority of a given population.

Wow! The patron saint of cloudy logic and misty morals has arrived on my pitiful little thread... I feel honored!

satori, is your Unicorn blowing a rainbow from its ass?

Pince, maybe gay guys are on to something...

Celibacy is an abnormal behavior.

True. Is this a thread about celibacy?

And what say you of oral sex?

I like it!

Was the mouth made to be fucked?

No. But oral sex rarely results in bleeding, transmission of STDs, or other unintended injuries. Since people also use their mouths for kissing another's mouth, kissing another's genitals is not a far stretch from a normal behavior...

lots of women love anal sex and orgasm from it.

Prove it. I doubt that "lots" of women want a man's dick up their ass.

homosexuality is wrong

it is wrong for anybody who is not a homo. period.

Prince: Satori i dont think Dyar is saying homosexuality is wrong, i think hes just saying its different. . which it obviously is...

Exactly. Homosexuality is an abnormal behavior. Man on woman anal sex is also an abnormal behavior. And, a woman licking a man's hairy asshole is just... gross!

satori: It stems from him being a Christian Literalist, amongst other things.

You're an idiot. What part of the following did you not read??

DyarStra??_e
[Hide] [Quote] 5/16/2009 9:22:24 AM | ip: xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx

I do. I'm way more tolerant in the real world than many of you could ever imagine.

In my almost 50 years, I've known homosexual family members, friends, neighbors, and coworkers. Not once have I ever been discriminatory towards any of them because of their deviant sexuality.

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Got it now?

idiot: 1. A foolish or stupid person.

Man on woman anal sex is also an abnormal behavior.

do you think men and women have talked what realy have done to each other behind the closed doors? so how can we know what is abnormal?

I think he is implying that homosexuality is wrong, though he won't come out and say it.

I have no problem saying what I mean.

DyarStra??_e
[Hide] [Quote] 5/16/2009 7:59:18 AM | ip: xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx

Prince,

My objections were based on hygiene, not on what the Bible says about homosexuality.

But for the record: Anal sex is abnormal. Homosexuality is abnormal.

ABNORMAL: Not typical, usual, or regular; not normal; deviant.

You think what they do is wrong, though, you don't discriminate against them. That's all I'm saying.

I think homosexuality is abnormal - that's what I'm saying. You have no idea what I think.

Its probably possible to transmit HIV that way although the risk won't be as high as anal sex where risk of perforation & bleeding is much more likely.

When was the last time a BJ made you wear a maxi pad over your mouth?

Straight Guys don't want to be butt fucked because it hurts. Most straight guys don't want to fuck their woman's asshole because it hurts their woman.

Pretty simple, actually...

"Deviant Sexuality"

when the outcome is no child. :-)

Women request it from their partners and sometimes a guy will do it just to please them.

You must be reading Penthouse Forum again...

Lots of people confide in me, and none of them have shared your eternal truth: Women are begging to be butt-fucked.

I don't have any scientific evidence that women enjoy anal sex...

Wow! I'm shocked! (not!)

DS do you really think men worry about risk of STDs when they are about to get a BJ?

Yes. Some men do look before they poke. They're the ones who stay disease-free.

Whore-hoppers have a Don't Ask, Don't Tell approach to sex -- and they get way more visits to the doctor...

Left-handed people are unusual and it effects how they think and how they behave.

Then, you must be left-sided.

Uh, there's a difference between Unusual and Abnormal. Google it.

So Dyar, what should these "abnormal" folks do with themselves?

Resettle on your block. You're more tolerant than I am, obviously.

Should a gay try to overcome his homosexuality?

No. A homosexual should try his/her best to accept who and what they are - since there's no known cure for the condition.

its because alot of guys are afraid they are gay if they screw their girl in the ass

No... it's because most guys are afraid the girl will kick them in the nuts if they try to screw her butt.

what is your point of mentioning the dangers of anal sex which is what Gays engage in if you know they cannot change?

I would advise an Alcoholic to avoid booze. A pedophile to avoid playgrounds. A diabetic to avoid Snicker bars.

It's what Virgos do - point out the obvious, since many don't get it...

Prince: wait your not saying being gay is an illness are you?

Homosexuality is a mental illness. Same as any other. Doesn't mean that you or any other homosexual is Evil - uh, unless you wanna be... Just means you have a condition - same as a diabetic, or an alcoholic, or an OCD (obsessive compulsive).

a condition that can be cured by appropriate medication or psychotherapy?

Not at the present. It is possible that an effective treatment will be found in the future.

Thank you for this insightful debate. It's nice to see not everyone is ignorant. Where's my Astroglide?

cappygolightly: you wont convince DS - he has been programmed to believe homosexuality is a disease.

Nice try. Keep chanting the PC mantra, and drinking the KoolAid...

I made it clear that my posts were based on what I was taught by PhD Psychologists - not some claptrap from a bubble-head on Oprah or The View...

As for the APA: What the organization preaches to the public, and what licensed psychiatrists & psychologists practice are two entirely different things. For instance, as a graduate student in psychology, I was invited to an APA-sponsored seminar on bathhouse psychosis - the frequency with which male homosexuals were continuing to have unprotected anal sex with multiple partners, even after they were aware of the dangers of HIV / AIDS...

Mental health professionals will tell you that homosexual men seek therapy at a far greater rate than heterosexual men -- and not just because society is "mean" to them. Many gay men are smart enough to realize they have a problem. In addition, homosexual men are much more likely than heterosexual men to suffer from anxiety disorders, depression, and suicidal tendencies - just to name a few mental / emotional disorders...

Another thing the Gay Lobby doesn't like to talk about: gay on gay violence. Gay men are much more likely to suffer assault & battery than heterosexual men - and not from gay bashers, but from other gay men. I can see why Boy George once sang, Do You Really Want To Hurt Me...

For those of you who can handle facts: There are tons of journal articles on the sexual compulsiveness of gay men. I can recall a disturbing article about a subset of gay men who actually seek out HIV-positive men for unprotected anal sex. They find the idea of receiving the virus in their colons during a man's ejaculation highly erotic...

Still want to insist homosexuality is normal??

Theres an invention called an "Enema" which cleans that dirty little anus for you...

Yes. How romantic!

Picture it: Guy & gal are making out. Once naked, she stops his caresses. "Baby, I can't wait to have your big cock up my ass - just let me go flush the shit out of it first!"

Romeo & Juliet got nothing on that scene...

Prince: hes allowed to believe what he wants

Thanks!

Here's another of my beliefs: You or any other homosexual should able to go to the courthouse and get married, and that marriage should be legal and recognized / accepted by every other state in the union. The government has no right to deny you a civil marriage. Our politicians are fucking cowards, and our Supreme Court is derelict in its duty.

Why the hell do we have a Constitution and Bill Of Rights when such a basic human right as marriage is not one of them??

If you knew me in the real world, you'd find me far more tolerant than you might suppose. I've had homosexual neighbors, and I treated them just the same as my other neighbors. If I knew you, I'd treat you like any other smart-ass young punk - no discrimination, but no special treatment, either...

It seems they all came out to get you Dyar...

I have always believed homosexuality to be a choice, now whether or not it is on set by a mental condition, imbalance of hormones or both, I am not sure.

Homosexuality is abnormal.
Anal sex is abnormal.
Oral sex is abnormal.
Butt licking is abnormal and quite gross, to be honest.

Basic knowledge of anatomy makes this clear.

I can not believe cappygolightly said "normal" is dictated by our peers, how ridiculous.

One of the most common lessons parents teach is not to always follow the crowd.
"I want these shoes, I want to go to this place, I want to smoke, because my friends do"
"So if your friends jumped off a bridge, you would too?"

Elementary cappygolightly, elementary.

Prince: it has nothing to do with their sexuality. lol. There are tons of straight people out there who like crazy shit too. . .

You missed a point. Gay men engage in that kind of behavior at a much higher rate than straight men. When you take into account that homosexuals are at most 10% of the total population, the numbers are even more disturbing. That is: It should be easier to get a smaller number of people to stop doing truly crazy shit...

About compulsive sexual behavior: The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Psychiatric Disorders, Volume Four describes sex addiction, under the category —Sexual Disorders Not Otherwise Specified,?? as —distress about a pattern of repeated sexual relationships involving a succession of lovers who are experienced by the individual only as things to be used.?? According to the manual, sex addiction also involves —compulsive searching for multiple partners, compulsive fixation on an unattainable partner, compulsive masturbation, compulsive love relationships and compulsive sexuality in a relationship.??

Probably because of how society treats them...

Can't blame straight society for every gay ill: This article suggests that gay liberation in the 1970's may have spared male homosexuals now under 30 some of the misunderstanding, discrimination and hatred that drove older homosexuals to drink and drugs. It also suggests that older homosexuals may abuse drink and drugs to dull the pain of aging in an especially youth-oriented, beauty-driven homosexual culture.

One of the major tasks of middle age for homosexuals is to reach acceptance that they are no longer able to compete for lovers or sexual partners on the basis of beauty (of which youth, in the homosexual population, is ordinarily a requisite), and accept that their sex and love lives may be substantially less fulfilling, or fulfilling in different ways, than when they were younger. Many homosexuals as they pass 35 turn increasingly to drugs and alcohol for solace and companionship.

Looks like you have about 15 good years left, Prince - don't waste them!

Cajun: It seems they all came out to get you Dyar...

Ain't nuthin' new!

I love Modern Liberals: They're all about freedom of speech & expression - so long as you're agreeing with them. They're also "sound bite" rhetoricians, with a thin veneer of intellectualism covering a big spongy brain mass inside. Sweet. Gooey. But not very nutritious or filling... Cotton Candy Minds.

I have always believed homosexuality to be a choice...

I respectfully disagree [you non-Virgos catch the civilized debate style ?]. I think the majority of homosexuals can choose to behave responsibly, but they are born with a condition every bit as real as diabetes. At least diabetics have insulin. Homosexuals have no real therapeutic options. One of my professors used to teach that sexual disorders were the most difficult to treat, and that even after extensive therapy, most patients reverted back to their old ways...

Freud was right: The Libido is a powerful psychic force.

Jason2213: I'm siding along with cappygolightly.

Okay.

So, you agree with this post of hers??

cappygolightly
[Quote] 5/16/2009 9:08:49 AM | ip: xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx

Everything human beings do is "normal".

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To which I replied...

DyarStra??_e
[Hide] [Quote] 5/16/2009 9:22:24 AM | ip: xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx

So... GENOCIDE is normal? NECROPHILIA (fucking corpses) is normal??

As long as they are not harming others why on earth does it bother you?

Are you bothered by alcoholism? I am. Are you bothered by cancer? I am. As a Christian, as a Virgo, as a Psychologist, I am bothered by the suffering of my fellow human beings...

I cannot understand DS how you cannot understand how bigoted you are coming across by saying this type of thing.

Me, a bigot? Hilarious!!

My first adult lover was a black woman, and I'm the whitest cracker you'll ever meet. A gay guy was one of my closest friends and a very helpful colleague during graduate school. I am currently friends with a lesbian couple who are neighbors of my Taurus friend...

I could go on, but your mind is as closed about me as you claim mine is about homosexuals.

I am outspoken, sincere, and well-educated. I am not afraid to speak plainly, and support my ideas & opinions with the facts upon which they are based.

None of that sounds like bigotry to me.

Psychologists have just as many prejudices as the rest of us.

True. But they are also specialists in their field. Do you take your income taxes to a butcher shop?

FYI: One reason why the APA bowed to the Gay Lobby and dropped homosexuality from the DSM is because more than a few psychiatrists are themselves homosexuals... Would you consider their actions prejudiced??

I do realise that you don't think you are bigoted.

Cute. But are your life experiences as diverse as mine?

In the military, I had to learn to get along with people from all over the world, and from all walks of life. As a supervisor, I'm responsible for creating and nurturing a color-blind, gender-neutral, happy and productive work environment for my subordinates. The turnover rate in my shop is about the lowest in my organization...

Still want to play with words, or are the facts becoming sufficient for you??

This is your ego speaking not your logic. You know nothing about me and my own experiences and my own achievements and Im not about to start going into such petty hair splitting because it is personal and irrelevant.

How magnanimous of you!

You call me a bigot. I respond with facts to completely controvert your opinion, but which you see as hair-splitting...

It really depends on the psychologist as to how expert they are.

And you got your degree in psychology... when? Where?

I am therefore surprised you cannot even try to see my points objectively at all but constantly inject your own subjective programming.

I'll have to dig back through this thread, but when I've agreed with some of your points, was that due to my subjective programming??

If I told you I had a degree in psychology would that colour your views? If so in what way?

If you had a degree in psychology, you would cite articles from reputable journals to support your views - as I have. That would make for a genuine debate on the merits.

So... Do you only visit doctors who agree with your opinion of what's wrong with you?

I am quite convinced that a neurosurgeon knows more about the cerebral cortex than I do.

Scientists do research for a living. They get good at it. When a large number of researchers from around the world reach similar conclusions, that's called a preponderance of the evidence. That's how science works.

Let's cut to the chase: You don't like my views on homosexuality. You disagree. That's your prerogative. But my ego didn't publish journal articles that I've used to support my views.

Seriously - how much time & energy do you think I have to devote to proving/disproving a point?

About as much time & energy as you've expended trying to paint me as bigot...