The Gauntlets have been thrown down.

This topic was created in the Virgo forum by Lobo on Tuesday, October 18, 2011 and has 44 replies.

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I believe I've been issued a challenge. The virgo girl I've been trying to win over said "good look getting past my wall". And she is acting really cold as of late and actually will move away from me if I go up to say hey. I think I might be getting tested to prove if I'm really serious. Sunday nite from out of nowhere her friends introduced themselves to me, while she avoided me all night but would just look at me every once in a while. When she saw me texting and I was laughing from a funny msg, she gave me an icy glare and looked irratated. (my scorpio moon went crazy) So I wanted to test the waters and I went to to a random girl and chatted her up as I peep her look at me and roll her eyes and turn her back and talk to her friends. So my question how long do you think I will be iced out? I'm not gonna give up unless she say to stop pursuing her. I'm not for waiting when (I'm ready), but I have no choice I guess.

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LOL, Yes my dear, consider yourself CHALLENGED...BUT!...are you up for the challenge (—)...is the question...muahahahahahahahaha!!!

You know this could go on forever, right? Why don't you just save both you and her some time (in what could turn out to be a very long and frustrating "slow dance"), and hit her from left field, by DOMINATING her (we love that). Let that Scorp moon take front and center, and next time instead of enduring her "icy glares", grab her by the arm (not too hard 'cause you more than likely will get slapped with a nicely manicured hand, thank you), and pull her on the dance floor (club?), and show her who's the MAN. If you did something really spontaneous and out of the ordinary, you'd be surprised at maybe how seamlessly you could cut through her defenses (or if she's a real whack job, risk getting cut yourself--www.cutabrutha.com--but hey, those are the chances we take, no?). Trust me she would be totally thrown, and would love the hell out of that even if she pretended not to. If that's too forward for your taste, then why not just sit her down and talk with her? Or if you'd rather just do the slow dance, then by all means.

If she's rolling her eyes at you while you're talking to other women, I think it's safe to say she has some level of interest, but just front'n BIG TIME. That's how we do. Play the cards close to the vest so as not to appear desperate or vulnerable. All that snooty and standoffishness don't mean shit. Your little "test" confirmed that. We're so wonderfully backwards that way. 🙂 When you think we like you, we don't, and when you think we don't like you, we do. 🙂

But perhaps it's not a question of whether she likes you or not, but moreso, was there some recent happening for her to ice you out? WE NEED THE DEETS!!!

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Okay previous to this.... She was bubble e to my Best Friend (also a virgo)and waived at him when she saw him on the dance floor. She always treats him with a cold neutral but cordial meet and greet. When I arrived he told me she was looking around and dancing next to him, he thinks she was looking to see if I was around. So I see her dancing and talking with her friends... (I like to do things in my own time) 15 minutes pass and I see her best friend (leo girl)and she seems to be avoiding me, so I go and talk to her. She has been talking (platonic only) to me about her personal probs and I was concerned. We start talking and she opens up and we start laughing and what not. I see her looking at me and her friend. Now she being pretty conservative walks in with a guy in tow, after I'm done talking to her friend. God I hate it!!!!! The guy is all over her and she totally ignores me, but keeps pushing the guys hands away and avoiding him trying to kiss her. I was throughly pissed and had to catch myself from making a scene, my friend was like you prob pissed her off. So the next encounter I saw her and demanded we talk, that's when I got the wall speech. I begrudgingly admitted I was slightly jealous, and I ask who the guy was. She played dumb and said "you have to forgive me I was drunk" Come on she would never get drunk in public (her rep is too important) and I rarely see her with a drink. So the following week I text her for a week straight, my friend said I'm making myself to avialable but I said I've been passive and holding back my agressive side the whole time. I wanna move this along. Then he said that I was being selfish because now that I want her I'm ready now and I assume she she be on board. So the next week I don't text at all and when I see her she really cold and going out of her way to avoid me. Her best friend fb with I had no idea you like her.. come on man. and she semi said guys usally try and be my friend to get close to her.. sadly it never works. Her best friend and I have had 28 fb conversations all about general stuff and her realationship probs.

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And I've had like 4 fb conversations with her. So.... I've been told that it comes arcoss like I like her friend, or maybe her friend like me simply because I just lisen and I don't hit on her (she's a model as well) idk... maybe I bothered her? But she hasn't said fuck off, and she will let you know if she doesn't like you! So I'm not outta there yet, but hard to know the next move. I kinda wanna text her but if she goes outta of her way to avoid me idk. She did smile when I said I'm just gonna keeping like the terminator and pursing you until you tell me with conviction to stop, and then I'll respect your wishes. I think I'm being put to the test or punished for dragging this out maybe. Or maybe my window is gone and she really hates me idk. I had to protect myself until I was sure, even when she gave me clear opening. That was my bad. I know this is really childish from both sides, fear of being rejected or hurt can do that I assume. Around girls I don't like like that I'm pretty charming and engaging even agressive.

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Posted by CLCNY30
Do you really want someone like this?

All the time wasted playing games could have been spent getting to know each other well.

What is the attraction?

Yeah everybody says that we both wasted time instead of getting to know each other alot better.
Yeah I do.
She's very picky and doesn't just get with anyone.
Class and integrity.
Traditional ( i tried to make her ask me out)..... yea
Bonus she's a challenge, that's means she's worth it. The kind that wont sleep with you on the 1st or 2nd date, and makes you earn their trust.
She has let me know many many times in sutle v girl ways that she has interest, but at the time I was still feeling her out and wouldn't budge. So it might be my turn now😢

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Posted by Lobo
Posted by CLCNY30
Ah, so the chase is the attraction...

you think... I thinks it's more that I might have found someone I deem equal, someone that can perhaps handle someone like me. Our charts gave me semi hope.

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Awww! :* We've all been there
I think it's easier to see it when someone else brings a situation like this to you than when you're going through it yourself

It's just that, from what I've seen of you on here, you seem like a sweetheart--I'd really hate for you to waste your time with someone who seems to still be in her incubation stage, if you get what I mean, lol.

Best question to ask yourself, I guess, is, "once I've finally caught her (if I ever do) what happens next/will I still want her?"

That chasing man...it's a SOB mindf*ck, lol...

Mirage producer...

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It's never childish to guard your heart.

Now that you've given more background, I would say back off of her. You've already admitted you were jealous (she knows for sure you like her), and have gone out of your way to initiate contact on several occassions, and so far all you've gotten in return are some cold ass stares, avoidance, and her pretending not to remember that she had some other dude trying to slob her down right in front of you...puhleeaasse. Since I know this is not just a game for you, and that you really like this girl, I'm not gonna waste my time encouraging you to sacrifice another ounce of your dignity or self respect. She has enough material to work with if she wants to reciprocate so I say, the ball's now in her court, and if she seriously does like you, she'll cut the bullshit and come correct. Until then, she can get the get'n, and life goes on.

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Thx VV that is what my friend said too. I just hate driving myself crazy thinking she hates me, then she's walking behind me to try and see who or what I'm texting and getting upset if I talk or dance with a girl, round and round lol mindfuck!
I will try my best to fall back and see whats up.

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Humm, based on your description of her actions, she seems immature. I think you might want to reflect and ask yourself why you're trying to bring this type of energy into your life. Sometimes people gravitate towards the game players because they really aren't looking for the real thing. I'm not saying you aren't just pointing out a fact. People who are stable minded are secure, don't act friendly one min and then just give you the cold shrug off. Something to think about 😉

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Posted by tryandguess
Humm, based on your description of her actions, she seems immature. I think you might want to reflect and ask yourself why you're trying to bring this type of energy into your life. Sometimes people gravitate towards the game players because they really aren't looking for the real thing. I'm not saying you aren't just pointing out a fact. People who are stable minded are secure, don't act friendly one min and then just give you the cold shrug off. Something to think about 😉

Hmm you could be on to something. But she did .... kinda throw herself at me for like 4 months and I just sat there that (cough) was last year. So my thinking either she's like F this guy or F this guy I'm might be interested but I'm gonna make em suffer for a while then when I feel like it... given in.

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heh Thomas she does that when I ignore her completely a while back. Or when she gives me an in and I kinda gloss over it. But when I do interact with her she kinda drops her wall a little and we talk and chat and flirt back and forth, even get the flirtaous hitting that girls do.

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Posted by thomas1214
Posted by Lobo
Posted by CLCNY30
Ah, so the chase is the attraction...

you think... I thinks it's more that I might have found someone I deem equal, someone that can perhaps handle someone like me. Our charts gave me semi hope.

so far she's been acting like a child and trying to make you jealous.. which worked.. gives you the cold shoulder.. i think it'll be hard for you two to communicate if there are issues with it already.. no??

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This! LOL

This kind of reminds me of that song with the lyrics, "Now that we found love--what are we gonna do with it?"

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Posted by Lobo
Thx VV that is what my friend said too. I just hate driving myself crazy thinking she hates me, then she's walking behind me to try and see who or what I'm texting and getting upset if I talk or dance with a girl, round and round lol mindfuck!
I will try my best to fall back and see whats up.

You're welcome, and she doesn't hate you. Like CLC said she's either a game player, or terribly confused, or just downright childish, perhaps a mix of all three. This is evident in what you've said above. Either way, NOT YOUR PROBLEM. Why should you drive yourself crazy because she can't walk a straight line? Don't allow yourself to suffer for anybody else's shit.

Ok, so not all budding relationships are smooth sailing. Depending on all factors involved, the initial interactions can be complex. At this point however, we can't even say it's a budding anything because it's just....well, stupid. I know that everyone's tolerance level for situations like this is different, but as you can see, mine is very, very low. Had it been me, I wouldn't waste another damn minute on the brotha.

Come on, you're a Virgo too. You know how this goes. Grow some cojones and find your inner frigidaire, please. She is just a-crying out to be put on ice! Don't be the nice guy that gets kicked in the ass when model Virgals come a dime a dozen. I REPEAT--if she's serious about you, she'll cut the bullshit and come correct. Nuff said.

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Here is my hot mess chart lol.

Zodiac in degrees 0.00 Placidus Orb:0
Sun Virgo 4.30 Ascendant Leo 2.40
Moon Scorpio 6.47 II Leo 25.08
Mercury Leo 19.50 III Virgo 21.44
Venus Virgo 5.17 IV Libra 23.28
Mars Cancer 12.58 V Scorpio 28.22
Jupiter Leo 23.20 VI Capricorn 2.11
Saturn Virgo 15.37 VII Aquarius 2.40
Uranus Scorpio 17.23 VIII Aquarius 25.08
Neptune Sagittarius 17.44 R IX Pisces 21.44
Pluto Libra 17.29 Midheaven Aries 23.28
Lilith Virgo 5.30 XI Taurus 28.22
Asc node Virgo 8.25 XII Cancer 2.11

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Posted by Lobo
Posted by tryandguess
Humm, based on your description of her actions, she seems immature. I think you might want to reflect and ask yourself why you're trying to bring this type of energy into your life. Sometimes people gravitate towards the game players because they really aren't looking for the real thing. I'm not saying you aren't just pointing out a fact. People who are stable minded are secure, don't act friendly one min and then just give you the cold shrug off. Something to think about 😉

Hmm you could be on to something. But she did .... kinda throw herself at me for like 4 months and I just sat there that (cough) was last year. So my thinking either she's like F this guy or F this guy I'm might be interested but I'm gonna make em suffer for a while then when I feel like it... given in.

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Well, if she was into her last year and you were busy with other engagements then contextually her actions do make alittle more sense. You could try just simply stating the facts. Like, "last year you showed me your amazing personality, but I was not at a place to really get close. I've made space in my life and I'm hoping we could explore what we didn't get to last year. What are your thoughts? "I would just be upfront, because she most likely doesn't know if where you're coming from. If she's not receptive then return to my first post. lol. 🙂

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Humm, based on your description of her actions, she seems immature. I think you might want to reflect and ask yourself why you're trying to bring this type of energy into your life. Sometimes people gravitate towards the game players because they really aren't looking for the real thing. I'm not saying you aren't just pointing out a fact. People who are stable minded are secure, don't act friendly one min and then just give you the cold shrug off. Something to think about 😉

Hmm you could be on to something. But she did .... kinda throw herself at me for like 4 months and I just sat there that (cough) was last year. So my thinking either she's like F this guy or F this guy I'm might be interested but I'm gonna make em suffer for a while then when I feel like it... given in.

Well, if she was into her last year and you were busy with other engagements then contextually her actions do make alittle more sense. You could try just simply stating the facts. Like, "last year you showed me your amazing personality, but I was not at a place to really get close. I've made space in my life and I'm hoping we could explore what we didn't get to last year. What are your thoughts? "I would just be upfront, because she most likely doesn't know if where you're coming from. If she's not receptive then return to my first post. lol. 🙂

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**** well if *you sorry typo!

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Posted by VirgoVixxxen
LOL, Yes my dear, consider yourself CHALLENGED...BUT!...are you up for the challenge (—)...is the question...muahahahahahahahaha!!!

You know this could go on forever, right? Why don't you just save both you and her some time (in what could turn out to be a very long and frustrating "slow dance"), and hit her from left field, by DOMINATING her (we love that). Let that Scorp moon take front and center, and next time instead of enduring her "icy glares", grab her by the arm (not too hard 'cause you more than likely will get slapped with a nicely manicured hand, thank you), and pull her on the dance floor (club?), and show her who's the MAN. If you did something really spontaneous and out of the ordinary, you'd be surprised at maybe how seamlessly you could cut through her defenses (or if she's a real whack job, risk getting cut yourself--www.cutabrutha.com--but hey, those are the chances we take, no?). Trust me she would be totally thrown, and would love the hell out of that even if she pretended not to. If that's too forward for your taste, then why not just sit her down and talk with her? Or if you'd rather just do the slow dance, then by all means.

If she's rolling her eyes at you while you're talking to other women, I think it's safe to say she has some level of interest, but just front'n BIG TIME. That's how we do. Play the cards close to the vest so as not to appear desperate or vulnerable. All that snooty and standoffishness don't mean shit. Your little "test" confirmed that. We're so wonderfully backwards that way. 🙂 When you think we like you, we don't, and when you think we don't like you, we do. 🙂

But perhaps it's not a question of whether she likes you or not, but moreso, was there some recent happening for her to ice you out? WE NEED THE DEETS!!!

I so agree with this! LMAO! I'm not playing a game on you, I'm playing YOUR game. 😉 I trust none! I want to see the real you. Not the "this is how I act cause I want you" routine. Prove me wrong. I like a challenge. The left field thing will keep the interest up and make me think I'm wrong. LOL Good Luck!

I so agree with this! LMAO!

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^^^^^^^^^^^
Thx Virgie🙂 Think it might be working.. She's been a no show but her friends keep chatting me up and randomly waching me dance or see who I interact with. Then they start texting which I've never seen them do inside the club.
Idk.. but I'm staying on the path VV set.