Virgo came around but.....

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Virgo basically saw that i matured alot over the years and actually wanted me to be in a romantic relationship with her.

I told her that I emotionally could never go down that road again but I would always be there for her and that we could be friends physically and emotionally.

Said I meant too much to her for me to be just that. I guess that being a friend with benefits

I am just trying to figure out that if being with a Virgo means that you can't be with them in any shape or fashion unless they have the power to end the relationship at any time and have the hold over you emotionally.the entire time.

I created a scenerio where it wouldnt get too deep or emotional for the both of us but it seems like you have to be willing to put up with the terrible breakup in the back of your mind or they dont go down that road.

I have known this person since we were kids but is it fair for me to put myself out there totally knowing I cannot allow myself to get as deep as as Virgo wants from a person?

is there a side to Virgos that likes this power over people and the ability to be in control of the aftermath if things go bad?

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I don't think virgos have to feel in control of any relationship .

She's got her head screwed on if you ask me . You're offering someone who wants to have a serious relationship with you FWB situation , she's obviously a lot more serious about what you have between you both then you are .

I personally cannot conduct a friends with benefits relationship as if I'm continuously intimate with someone of course my feelings are going to grow . Someone always ends up hurt .

With all due respect to you I think you're the one who who's trying to gain control of things as instead of going with the flow you're in the driving seat saying physical only.

If she's still there after years trust she thinks a lot of you , i would only ever " come around " after a period of absence if he was someone special .
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I think alot of her and really just cuddling and movie watching and a nice virgo backrub is more appealing to me than FWB to be completely honest. I just dont want to lead her on but I dont wanna get deep and her disattach herself. I know her well enough to know that is how she is and she is too nice to tell me whats bothering her in time for me to fix it. I feel powerful when that happens and I just wanted an exit ticket for my sanity but it probably came across as less than gentlemanly.

I guess friendship is the best with this one for the time being.
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Sorry my bad , I thought when you said that you told her you could be friends physically that you meant FWB .

It actually sounds like you have something that goes a lot deeper then just detached sex , cuddling and movie watching , kinda sweet . Just enjoy it , see where it goes .

Too nice to tell you what's bothering her...... hands up ! I'm terrible at communicating my emotions .

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Posted by Missvirgo

I thought when you said that you told her you could be friends physically that you meant FWB



That is what he meant.

In his explanation, he said that he can't go in all deep with her because she will hurt his feelings again, so the only thing he can offer is fwb. He'd rather go in deep, and do the back rub, and cuddling ... but, he can't because he has to protect his feelings.


Read it again ... you were right the first time.
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Posted by HighTide

..... means that you can't be with them in any shape or fashion unless they have the power to end the relationship at any time ...



This actually describes every person alive, in an adult relationship.

All of us have the power to end a relationship, at any time. That is our right as a human being to decide what/who we want to experience in our life.





Posted by HighTide

..... and have the hold over you emotionally.the entire time.

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A person cannot hold you. Unless you have been bound, or drugged.

If you believe that another person has the power to hold you emotionally .. then it means that you've attached your emotional security onto them, in hopes that they will approve of you, enough to believe you have self worth.

That is an emotionally immature mindset .... there's no growth at all ... just completely dependent upon the other to keep your feelings kept for you.

I can't believe you made this thread to talk about her, and to pride yourself in your maturity ..... yet, by your own admission, you haven't enough emotional fortitude to carry your own emotional baggage.


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I got it ๐Ÿ™‚

Although none of it makes sense to me ( no offense op ) whether it's friends with benefits or movie watching and stroking it's intimate so it's going to mess with them both emotionally before long .

If he really doesn't feel he can open up to her emotionally then it would be better to cut your losses and leave it alone completely.

Bless him ! She's clearly hurt him in the past.
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Yes, he's an old user ... according to history (as I can remember), years after their bad break up, she contacted him with the news of a nine-year-old daughter.

He's been trying to play an emotional game with her ever since ... she's trying to get a daddy for her daughter. We told him not to parley with her, because he is clearly out-witted, since he's clueless in that if she really wanted him to be the child's father, then she wouldn't have waited nine years .. but, his heart couldn't hear those words because it didn't want to ... so he was then counselled in at least getting a test done to make sure it is even his kid, which he was resisting because, again, his heart couldn't bear it, he wanted to be that man and father.

We only know bits and pieces as he posts stuff through the years .... but, I'm certain this is the same woman considering he references a prolonged period of time, and how he describes her.

Anyway, regardless of his story from the past and whatever it may have come to ....... as a mature man, in which he claims he has advanced into, he would be able to comprehend that his role in playing fwb with her has emotional connotations to a female, so to play it with her, is knowingly playing emotional games with her, and hurting her. As the man he claims he has become, he would comprehend that to even suggest a fwb, is trying to evoke romantic feelings in her, since REAL men know this is what happens to women.

So, the only logical conclusion is .... he's an emotional manipulator, and even trying to play us here.


He's a Cancer.

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Posted by P-Angel

Yes, he's an old user ... according to history (as I can remember), years after their bad break up, she contacted him with the news of a nine-year-old daughter.

He's been trying to play an emotional game with her ever since ... she's trying to get a daddy for her daughter. We told him not to parley with her, because he is clearly out-witted, since he's clueless in that if she really wanted him to be the child's father, then she wouldn't have waited nine years .. but, his heart couldn't hear those words because it didn't want to ... so he was then counselled in at least getting a test done to make sure it is even his kid, which he was resisting because, again, his heart couldn't bear it, he wanted to be that man and father.

We only know bits and pieces as he posts stuff through the years .... but, I'm certain this is the same woman considering he references a prolonged period of time, and how he describes her.

Anyway, regardless of his story from the past and whatever it may have come to ....... as a mature man, in which he claims he has advanced into, he would be able to comprehend that his role in playing fwb with her has emotional connotations to a female, so to play it with her, is knowingly playing emotional games with her, and hurting her. As the man he claims he has become, he would comprehend that to even suggest a fwb, is trying to evoke romantic feelings in her, since REAL men know this is what happens to women.

So, the only logical conclusion is .... he's an emotional manipulator, and even trying to play us here.


He's a Cancer.
not the same person but
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Yes, he's an old user ... according to history (as I can remember), years after their bad break up, she contacted him with the news of a nine-year-old daughter.

He's been trying to play an emotional game with her ever since ... she's trying to get a daddy for her daughter. We told him not to parley with her, because he is clearly out-witted, since he's clueless in that if she really wanted him to be the child's father, then she wouldn't have waited nine years .. but, his heart couldn't hear those words because it didn't want to ... so he was then counselled in at least getting a test done to make sure it is even his kid, which he was resisting because, again, his heart couldn't bear it, he wanted to be that man and father.

We only know bits and pieces as he posts stuff through the years .... but, I'm certain this is the same woman considering he references a prolonged period of time, and how he describes her.

Anyway, regardless of his story from the past and whatever it may have come to ....... as a mature man, in which he claims he has advanced into, he would be able to comprehend that his role in playing fwb with her has emotional connotations to a female, so to play it with her, is knowingly playing emotional games with her, and hurting her. As the man he claims he has become, he would comprehend that to even suggest a fwb, is trying to evoke romantic feelings in her, since REAL men know this is what happens to women.

So, the only logical conclusion is .... he's an emotional manipulator, and even trying to play us here.


He's a Cancer.
not the same person but
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Just a coincidence then that you describe her the same, and that she is too, a Virgo.

Why would you pose this title as if you are continuing an update .. which is what is implied when you say she finally came around.

The only Virgo you've talked about in here (in which I can find searching and through memory) .... is this woman who is the mother of your alleged daughter. Since you've talked about non other, the logical assumption is that it is, indeed the same woman.

But, so be it ... play as you will, you will anyway
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It has to be the same woman.

Timeline follows the same story, and you also pointed out in the past how this was a virgo you were friends with since childhood. While Virgos do share same traits, the way you describe her is identical.

I remember you, and I remember it was pointed out in the past too how you were emotionally manipulative (don't remember whether I commented then or was lurking).

Anyway, no help from me in gaming this woman.
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Posted by HighTide
We have a problem with being loyal in a relationship even though we want loyalty because we feel we always gotta have a backup plan so we can always have female energy around. It for out emotional well being because we take breakups with ones with care about the absolute worst emotionally of any sign.

The reason for this is we derive alot of powerful energy that we thrive on from females. We can be masculine men, but need reassurance from females in order to truly shine.

A Cancer man's worst nightmare is not having a woman out there that admires him. It has nothing to do with being vain. We just feel out of sync if there isn't a female energy source being given to us.
This post from 5 years back explains the mindset of a player/ emotional leech. I'm not going to say all Cancers operate the same way but you do...so I hope she steers as far away as you from possible.
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Posted by HighTide
We have a problem with being loyal in a relationship even though we want loyalty because we feel we always gotta have a backup plan so we can always have female energy around. It for out emotional well being because we take breakups with ones with care about the absolute worst emotionally of any sign.

The reason for this is we derive alot of powerful energy that we thrive on from females. We can be masculine men, but need reassurance from females in order to truly shine.

A Cancer man's worst nightmare is not having a woman out there that admires him. It has nothing to do with being vain. We just feel out of sync if there isn't a female energy source being given to us.
This post from 5 years back explains the mindset of a player/ emotional leech. I'm not going to say all Cancers operate the same way but you do...so I hope she steers as far away as you from possible.
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That post (not yours, his) speaks for himself and not all Cancer men.
Unless the "we" he is using is the royal plural.
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I usually try to delve into the dark parts of the Cancer psyche because we are human like everyone else trying to overcome our bounty in life. I try to be as honest as possible coming from a Cancer with Gemini rising, Pisces Moon, Leo Venus and Cancer mercury so when you see me post always keep those placements in mind

I stand by the statement that I believe Cancers dont want to be alone and having a backup plan doesnt always mean we truly want that when it comes down to it. but self doubt on making someone else happy comes into play whether we like it or not. Sometimes rejection is for other reasons besides incapable zodiac placement and people fail to put that into the equation at times. I try to do that.

Also I came on this site to give people honest answers whether they are PC or not because I feel like some posters tell people what they want to hear and are not willing to give the kind of information they need to truly come to a conclusion that is the correct one whether is pretty or not.


The funny thing is alot of major people in my life have had Virgo placement so my attachment to the zodiac will always be associated with this sign.

Childhood love was a Virgo with Pisces Moon
Baby's mama was a Pisces with Virgo Moon
Ex wife was a Aries with a Virgo Moon
Grandmother was an Aquarius with a Virgo Moon

and probably countless other people i never had a chance to know their placement but felt it somehow.

I just feel a certain attraction to Virgo energy and its always fascinated me and is one of the reasons that I wonder why I am always end up with a person with virgo placement before I even realize it and knowing I will probably disappoint them somehow. Why exactly do they give me a chance in the first place because I know they are picky. I want to understand why I am so drawn to it, why when it rejects me in some way or another and why it hurts worse than rejection from other signs. I know the rejection is justified because otherwise it wouldnt bother me so their is a darkness inside myself they make me face while others don't.

Before all is said and done I want to be able to who I am on the inside and let go of everything else and the darkness caused from insecurity and self loathing go away so I can fully enjoy being in a relationship with a person that has a Virgo placement somewhere. I feel I have something they are missing but learning to channel it in a way that is logical always has been a weakpoint of mine. I just know I always stumble on test 3 or 4 but if I can make it to 5 then I know I have truly evolved into what I was meant to be.


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I aint interesting in playing her. She is just as capable of playing and has on me before and other guys as well. I have, we all have but its not about that.

I just want to be friends and not feel the pressure of having to be together in order to be romantic towards each other. It doesnt have to go all the way. I don't want it to. I like being around her and watching movies and cuddling, I really am exhausted mentally and emotionally from anything else until later.

She has a Scorpio Venus and mine is in Leo so I feel like we deep down like each other but its always gotta be like this lol
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Posted by starwars
and by semi-confirming that what I meant is...I do need to be somehow in control when I'm cautious and not sure of the other person which only happen at the very start of the relationship, NOT the "entire time"...hence the "Kinda" true.
I want to get to that point but I screw up everytime on the verge of that.

I know once we are both past that point it would be fine from then on and there would be no problem. I know she has a right to be cautious and I am pissed at myself we are in our mid 30's and we are still at walls we should have broken down years ago.


It drives me nuts because it usually is my fault and its me taking her for granted in a way that is not malicious at all. It just happens and if I were aware of the future reprocusions I would be on guard at all times but I don't want it to be like that. I feel like I have shown my love never goes away towards her time and time again.

I just dont want my negative energy to affect other people and sometimes it lasts a week or so .I get depressed about my failures in life and I close off and im good for another 3 or 4 months. One of the few things that cheer me up is the Virgo touch and good meals and it fucking sucks when its taken away.


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The thing is anyone is open to call me on my bullshit but she needs to realize just because she thinks logically doesn't mean she always acts that way. She doesn't have a divine justification to do things that I know are wrong and act like just because I am emotional and that somehow I don't know the difference between right and wrong. I am very honest about my shortcomings and im open for improvement and she should be too.

She had 2 kids by a guy she met in HS, he got in the coast guard. She got pregnant by another guy, he took her back and raised it as his own. She did the same exact thing again with another guy. He took her back. She didn't get with either guy and neither guy sees those kids. Her Capricorn husband who she was still married to the whole time accepted all this and took her back. She eventually left him again and got with some guy and ended up on some drugs and now both her legs are amputated by some freak way on how she passed out one night. Capricorn takes on the roll of paying the bills and watching the kids. She now stays home and raises her 4 kids and her sister and doesn't have to pay bills. I don't even think she gets child support from the 2 other guys, I think the Capricorn hub pays the bill for everyone. Capricorn says he is suicidal from all this. She now says he is crazy and has a gun now.

So yeah while I get emotional and get angry and act like a shitass sometimes but the playing field is level in my mind. Her way of doing things is no better or worse than mine and she needs to realize I love her but I can't just be happy about that behavior and keep letting it happen and let it happen to me if I got involved too deeply again real quick. The buck needs to stop somewhere and she needs to just accept I love her and promise me she aint gonna leave me because the love ain't perfect 30 percent of the time but it is the other 60. Virgos don't like judgement, i dont like being under a microscope to the person I give my heart to. Be my backbone but dont fix me.

The thing that needs to happen is that she needs to realize her laundry is just as dirty and when she starts wanting to play that " this love is no longer perfect" bullshit that she needs to look in the mirror and realize by her doing that she is just judging me as some sort of inferior to her which is a super insult to me when I do nothing but praise every little thing about her since we were kids and that her way of finding love has not worked and that she needs to be done this way for her own good.
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Yes, he's an old user ... according to history (as I can remember), years after their bad break up, she contacted him with the news of a nine-year-old daughter.

He's been trying to play an emotional game with her ever since ... she's trying to get a daddy for her daughter. We told him not to parley with her, because he is clearly out-witted, since he's clueless in that if she really wanted him to be the child's father, then she wouldn't have waited nine years .. but, his heart couldn't hear those words because it didn't want to ... so he was then counselled in at least getting a test done to make sure it is even his kid, which he was resisting because, again, his heart couldn't bear it, he wanted to be that man and father.

We only know bits and pieces as he posts stuff through the years .... but, I'm certain this is the same woman considering he references a prolonged period of time, and how he describes her.

Anyway, regardless of his story from the past and whatever it may have come to ....... as a mature man, in which he claims he has advanced into, he would be able to comprehend that his role in playing fwb with her has emotional connotations to a female, so to play it with her, is knowingly playing emotional games with her, and hurting her. As the man he claims he has become, he would comprehend that to even suggest a fwb, is trying to evoke romantic feelings in her, since REAL men know this is what happens to women.

So, the only logical conclusion is .... he's an emotional manipulator, and even trying to play us here.


He's a Cancer.
You have done nothing your whole time here except act like your an expert yet try to put people down who are genuinely trying to fix whats wrong with themselves. At the end of the day when you go to sleep do you feel like you did anything except make people feel worse when they already do?

Your a Pisces right, but you hang around on Virgo boards and answer like your a Virgo for some strange reason

My Pisces moon senses the fraud in you so much it isn't even funny, if I saw you in real life exposed with how you really act I probably would burst into total laughter at how your probably not this way to people in real life. Kind of like the Wizard from the Wizard of Oz.

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Hi there - I know you don't know me and I apologize if I'm being too forward here, but I've read several of your postings on the forum and I must say, I truly appreciate the knowledge or rather, the cancerian male perspective that you share with us



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Just wanted to e-mail you and say that although I've only read a few of your postings, I feel that you've given some very, good and sound advice. Quite insightful.



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I take it as a great compliment that you took the time to share your insight ! ๐Ÿ™‚



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you understand welll virgoos girls i wish if you can help me i'm still in loveee with a virgo girll,even if she is stilll too cold with me because we had a bad arguments about her and+ blocked her from fb once and till now she dosen't want to re accept me, i lost her as lover and as a friend and i want win her back any advice man?



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I have read almost all of your posts on Cancer men and I have many questions! Would you please help me!



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I have been reading all of your posts to get a better understanding of my cancer man but i have decided to take a leap of faith and message you directly as you seem to be aware of how you gel with other Signs especially Libras!!


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Again really want to thank you, I just saw you responding on a lot of post and they seemed to be on point with his personality so I wanted to get your opinion.

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There is more than that but you get the point. I only pulled this out because your ugliness has gotten out of hand.

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Found out last week that I have a 9 year old daughter that I never knew about. I am 30 now so in a way I feel thankful I am able to take this all in compared to how I was when I was 20 and it is sort of gives me a new meaning in life. The mother was 17 when she had her and she told me she had a dna test back then but it turns out she never did, and when the child started getting older and looking like me she finally decided to find me on facebook.

I don't want to judge her for not letting me know, I am just trying to figure out her reasoning on something this major. We had only one big fight and she told me I was the best guy she ever had and that she was attracted to assholes back then. She ended up getting married and divorced so I am thinking maybe she did the Virgo wash my hands clean of the situation back then just to keep her sanity at a young age.

I just want the Virgo side of her to feel safe as she said she always felt safe with me. How should i handle this so she will let me see my daughter and keep everything fine in the Virgo mind. I just dont want her to disappear for some strange reason again. I have a college degree and I am a very christian person as she is now so I want to know how the Virgo mind looks at this and how I should proceed so the Virgo feels comfortable.

Basically she is relaxed now but I am just afraid the Virgo overthinking might come in and I might press to hard somewhere. Just need opinions as I consider myself an evolved Cancer, just dont want to get emotional about this situation even though its hard not to.



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Found out last week that I have a 9 year old daughter that I never knew about. I am 30 now so in a way I feel thankful I am able to take this all in compared to how I was when I was 20 and it is sort of gives me a new meaning in life. The mother was 17 when she had her and she told me she had a dna test back then but it turns out she never did, and when the child started getting older and looking like me she finally decided to find me on facebook.

I don't want to judge her for not letting me know, I am just trying to figure out her reasoning on something this major. We had only one big fight and she told me I was the best guy she ever had and that she was attracted to assholes back then. She ended up getting married and divorced so I am thinking maybe she did the Virgo wash my hands clean of the situation back then just to keep her sanity at a young age.

I just want the Virgo side of her to feel safe as she said she always felt safe with me. How should i handle this so she will let me see my daughter and keep everything fine in the Virgo mind. I just dont want her to disappear for some strange reason again. I have a college degree and I am a very christian person as she is now so I want to know how the Virgo mind looks at this and how I should proceed so the Virgo feels comfortable.

Basically she is relaxed now but I am just afraid the Virgo overthinking might come in and I might press to hard somewhere. Just need opinions as I consider myself an evolved Cancer, just dont want to get emotional about this situation even though its hard not to.



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The Virgo side to her if you read. No where did I say she was an actual Virgo. I stated she had a Virgo moon in this thread to clear up exactly what I meant.

These two different people are Pisces/Virgo and Virgo/Pisces. I have a Pisces moon so I know Pisces energy but I dont have any Virgo placement.

I was hoping someone who was reading maybe were a different Sun sign but had a Virgo Moon and I was interested in getting a different set of answers than I was traditionally use to getting to see if I was missing something. Sometimes I like to hit a nerve in different ways.

If you want to go back on my posts further to show I am not lying

https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/pisces/how-to-deal-with-a-pisces-mama-4032039/?p=3

I said Pisces Babies Mama.

The whole thing was a process for me. I even gave you credit on that thread but you still gotta be ugly

My statement still stands about you. You have made people feel overall worse about themselves for years and harmed more than I ever have and I still think