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I was really taken aback by this virgo gal at work. Her bother was murdered a couple weeks ago. Another coworker, her husband is in life altering surgery. That coworker needs help with $ $ for a plane ticket to her husband.

Despite the virgos own bs that she herself is feeling with the loss of her brother. She put all that to the side just to help a fellow coworker. She organized a donation pool and setup a paypal account to help raise money.

i like that about her. made me see her in a totally different light.

maybe thats how she's dealing with her own hurt, by helping someone through theres.

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DMV, we don't think the world owes us anything. We also don't believe in wreaking havoc in other people's life if ours goes to hell.

We'll walk the path to hell by our lone selves, without complaining or getting other people involved and in the meantime, help others along the way. Because we know deep down the rest of the world doesn't do things the way we do..most people crack under pressure so it's only fair in our mind to be of assistance for those people. It's one of virtues.

You cannot bring someone back from the death..the thing she's doing is more of a tribute to her brother and the memory she has of him. Helping those that are still alive, therefore still can be helped.

When my friend died in January, my mind was bent on revenge because of the shady conditions she died in. But this would take years out of my life and would not honor her memory. Instead I choose to stand for what she believed in..she was a medicine student and was involved in a lot of charity work. It's my hope that at some point in life I will manage to open up a fundation in her name to finance poor children with scholarships to study medicine. If I manage to accomplish that, I know her memory won't be forgotten by the very people she loved most.
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Posted by DMV
I was really taken aback by this virgo gal at work. Her bother was murdered a couple weeks ago. Another coworker, her husband is in life altering surgery. That coworker needs help with $ $ for a plane ticket to her husband.

Despite the virgos own bs that she herself is feeling with the loss of her brother. She put all that to the side just to help a fellow coworker. She organized a donation pool and setup a paypal account to help raise money.

i like that about her. made me see her in a totally different light.

maybe thats how she's dealing with her own hurt, by helping someone through theres.



Did you take the time to tell her that you now see her in a totally different light?
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Posted by CluelessCancer
But why?

"We'll walk the path to hell by our lone selves,"

that's a heavy burden...some people want to walk to hell and back with you.



Because we don't need to drag people into emotional misery/negativity. The burden becomes heavy if I have to be accountable for the happiness of another human being. If I do it by myself, if bad things happen to me, I will make it through by myself. Not going to inflict harm indirectly on others.

True love will have 2 individuals who will deal with shit on their own and only come together to form something meaningful and beautiful, based on positive energy. Of course if we're talking marriage, they'll brave storms as a unit. But things that are going on in each one of the person's life are things that person has to deal with and no one else. Not their friends, family, partners. My path is mine to walk, you can provide emotional support from a distance but the landscape will be foreign to you. For me, I've been there so many times, there are no perils when I walk it.

People crack under pressure way more than Virgos do. Why would I want to see someone spiral out of control emotionally when it's not their battle to fight? It's mine and I refuse to drag others into it.
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then explain to me why some virgo's distance themselves and go MIA when they start feeling out of control dealing with something emotional if they don't crack under pressure? I've personally had 3 virgo's (two female, one male) do this when the going got tough. They run and hide and you never hear from them again.

With all due respect, i've dealt with everything from growing up with a controlling and abusive alcoholic father who treated my Mother like crap, (I was her rock) to watching her suffer and finally pass away from breast cancer.

I've experienced the loss and utter pain from having a miscarriage and watching my husband suffer from the loss as well.

I've spent 6 weeks in a living hell overseas going through an international adoption with my husband while leaving our 5 year old son at home with family.

I've been laid off 3 times in the past 2 years due to the bad economy. I suck it up and tough it out, period.

In all of these scenarios, I didn't go to anyone asking them to console me and keep me from suffering the hand that life dealt me. Even with my husband, I was steadfast for him. I've always been emotionally strong since I was young; when you grow up fast and without a strong father figure, you either become stronger or become a complete insecure mess.

I'm not a Virgo. My husband's not a Virgo. While in the USAF, he was in the honor guard and buried many of his buddies. He remained steadfast through this ordeal. While you may be more emotionally strong than others you've interacted with, emotional strength and the ability to persevere is not monopolized by Virgo's or any sign.

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...Ok

This seriously isn't a "Virgos are above all people" topic, nor "Who has experienced the most". I'm not going to battle people in sad life stories. I have my own, as do others.

If they never come back, they never come back. I don't see them as cracking under pressure, I see them as not coming back. We spike in emotional reactions only when angry..for all the rest of the emotions..we have a better handle than most.

Basically if we don't come back, we made a choice on that. It's not an emotional reaction to anything, it shouldn't be taken personally. Some people grow apart, grow distant. Sometimes the cord gets cut off. That's how life goes. We make choices at the end of the day..all of us.

I also don't relate to the run and hide scenario. I don't hide, I walk away for good. I don't hide from people close to me, they know I will deal with stuff on my own if there's something in my life that needs addressing.

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Doesnt that defeat the whole "virgo purpose" though? Even if we know we can "walk to hell alone" ...how is that serving or helping the people around us? Isn't that just feeding our own ego by not accepting help from others? (Which im very much guilty of) Say for example...you have someone you know who is extremely selfish...they find out about your "walk to hell alone" and offer to genuinely help and we say "no, I can do it myself because nobody can walk it better than I" or ignore them....that person may go back to being selfish instead of been given the opportunity to go beyond themselves. What if that is their soul purpose in life and we just hindered them from achieving it sooner or at all? Im not saying hand off your burdens onto them...but we as virgos need to learn to let others help carry it with us if they are willing (not necessarily forever but for however long they want/need) because in the end, it really shouldnt be about us and feeding our perfectionist egos...its about helping them achieve whatever it is in life they are striving for..plus maybe they wallked a similar path and can give insight on how they made it thru, which in turn they gave us a better understanding on possibly how to help the next person we come across. We are all here to learn and teach each other...virgos dont know everything...we need others, despite what we think.

Am I making sense? Or does it sounds like im just talking outta my ass? Lol.
I of course get what im trying to say...but I cant tell if others will be able to?!
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Posted by scorchedearth
you live in this fantasy world where virgos are super strong emotionally and can withstand any storm. that's not the reality.



Who is this "you"? Me? As a Virgo, I'm pretty sure I'm more aware of the Virgo reality than all the other signs. Except long time partners of Virgos..which provide insight into how we are seen by our partners.

Posted by scorchedearth
there are so many people that have posted on this board that have all had exactly the same experiences with their virgos.



They all have quite a few things in common. It's obvious to me 😉. The most obvious thing is not being in a committed relationship with a Virgo. So until they manage that for some years..they can't even begin to fathom. Don't hold it against them but the ridiculousness is..well ridiculous.

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the virgo disappears for good because they can't even begin to deal with the depth of the cancers feelings.
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LMAO

As for the rest..it doesn't reflect a Virgo's reality at all. Sometimes..the mirror shows a distorted image because it wants to..keeps people who don't get us at bay. We're well aware few people really understand us so it comes as no surprise. And there's something to be said about being efficient in dealing with people..life is too short for projections 🙂.


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Posted by LostinmyMind11
Doesnt that defeat the whole "virgo purpose" though? Even if we know we can "walk to hell alone" ...how is that serving or helping the people around us? Isn't that just feeding our own ego by not accepting help from others? (Which im very much guilty of) Say for example...you have someone you know who is extremely selfish...they find out about your "walk to hell alone" and offer to genuinely help and we say "no, I can do it myself because nobody can walk it better than I" or ignore them....that person may go back to being selfish instead of been given the opportunity to go beyond themselves. What if that is their soul purpose in life and we just hindered them from achieving it sooner or at all? Im not saying hand off your burdens onto them...but we as virgos need to learn to let others help carry it with us if they are willing (not necessarily forever but for however long they want/need) because in the end, it really shouldnt be about us and feeding our perfectionist egos...its about helping them achieve whatever it is in life they are striving for..plus maybe they wallked a similar path and can give insight on how they made it thru, which in turn they gave us a better understanding on possibly how to help the next person we come across. We are all here to learn and teach each other...virgos dont know everything...we need others, despite what we think.

Am I making sense? Or does it sounds like im just talking outta my ass? Lol.
I of course get what im trying to say...but I cant tell if others will be able to?!



I'm not too proud to ask for help. I will ask for it if the situation cannot be dealt with by myself. But in the case I can deal with it, I won't bring anyone into MY affairs. Say I have a conflict with a close friend..why would I bring someone else into it? What for?

If their sole purpose in life is tied into helping others..what is their individual purpose? They have a life going on they put on hold to help another. And we're dead guilty about this when we go overboard to "help" people who never requested assistance..tough lesson to learn for us.

Every person experiences life individually so to think that someone went through the same shit and knows the solution...doesn't apply. It's wishful thinking. We can theorize all day long, we still experience life individually.
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(cont for LIMM)

Don't get me wrong, I don't shut people out emotionally to harm them..it doesn't come from ego. It comes from caring. However, their perspective is different and I get that.

Last year I went through 2 or 3 months of..not sure if it was depression..basically a gloom mood. I have water sign friends from all 3 elements.

Scorpios called me, took it personally when I said I am not in a good mood, I will check up with them later. When I met them later, they understood.

Cancers guilt tripped me and made it all about themselves and how much of an awful person I am for not telling them what I am going through. It's incredibly demanding...and it doesn't come across as helpful at all.

Pisces understood it. They just went "Ok, check back with you in a month or so".

All 3 came from a good heart, all 3 care about me. But as far as getting me..Pisces did. They knew the last thing on my mind would be explaining myself and my actions, depleting myself of the energy I can pour into helping myself.
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...Ok.

I stand by my statements 🙂.

In the end it's the Virgo board, where Virgos post. If people don't care about our insight, they should post on other boards. Maybe the Virgos on the Aquarius Board can help. Or those on the Libra Board. Who knows?

Myself, I post on all the boards I think..and even if my ideas don't match with theirs, at the end of the day I respect the different views. Like the ones I got on that Taurus-Scorpio topic. It is what it is. I don't see it as a superiority complex, mainly signs posting on their board.
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Scorched, we don't see eye to eye. It is what it is. Different mindsets...and variety is a good thing at the end of the day 🙂. I know what I'm about and if you read it as me thinking this sign is so complex..that's your assumption. As most things about Virgos..you're wrong.

The way I express myself isn't up for censorship from you or anyone else. I also don't need you or anyone else to intervene or talk on my behalf. I can talk for myself.

If you keep having issues with how I post, how I respond to others, how I feel about Virgos..feel free to gloss over my posts. I'm not the oracle of Delphi, don't hold the universal truth. You'll gain nothing by misunderstanding me again and again.

Our ideas about Virgos clash. That's all there is to it. If someone gets valuable advice out of your posts or mine or anyone else's..that's all that matters to me.
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Posted by virgowithasoul
Posted by CluelessCancer
But why?

"We'll walk the path to hell by our lone selves,"

that's a heavy burden...some people want to walk to hell and back with you.



Experience tells me otherwise. It's every man for themself. The only people who would do that is anyone's good parents. I've learnt better that we walk our own path to selective damnation.
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damnation you say? 😛
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I get where you're coming from...im trying to look at this thing I keep hearing about. "The bigger picture" apparently im looking at it all wrong lol

Do we honestly have an individual purpose? Why do we have individual experiences?...isnt it to learn, grow and share what we discovered? Just because someone thinks "no one could possibly experience the same shit as me" doesnt mean someone never has or had a very similair one that can offer up a different perspective that may be just what you needed to hear to cope with whatever youre going through, in turn the perspective can be passed on etc. We will always be tied in helping others...not just virgos, as humans.

Of course someones perspective may think that person is just feeding their ego on helping someone else to make them feel better.

It can go either way....I wonder if tiz has room on his fence? Lol
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I don't think it's a supposed "lack" of knowledge about Virgos that gets those kinds of responses, Scorched. I think it's the implied pressures and insinuations that Virgos should change their ways and how we respond to things.

I have no doubt that there are people such as yourself who know a considerable amount about the Virgo sign and nature, but even with that knowledge there's still an underlying sense of belief that Virgos should be... less Virgo-ish. That Virgos should give up what makes them Virgos (or, as you put it, what we suck at lol) and behave as these others signs would have us behave, the way they feel we should feel. Whether or not that is actually the intent it's still how many posts on this board can be interpreted.

Is a Virgo selfish or flawed in some way for not always wanting to emote their feelings and become involved with the emotions of others? A person may as well ask if a table is being selfish or flawed for not spontaneously turning into a chair simply because another wishes it.
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Posted by LostinmyMind11
I get where you're coming from...im trying to look at this thing I keep hearing about. "The bigger picture" apparently im looking at it all wrong lol

Do we honestly have an individual purpose? Why do we have individual experiences?...isnt it to learn, grow and share what we discovered? Just because someone thinks "no one could possibly experience the same shit as me" doesnt mean someone never has or had a very similair one that can offer up a different perspective that may be just what you needed to hear to cope with whatever youre going through, in turn the perspective can be passed on etc. We will always be tied in helping others...not just virgos, as humans.

Of course someones perspective may think that person is just feeding their ego on helping someone else to make them feel better.

It can go either way....I wonder if tiz has room on his fence? Lol



Yup, 2 sides of a coin. Selfish/selfless.

We toss that coin with every choice we make..it lands on one side or the other. You portrayed the other coin to my reasoning. To be honest, I can argue both as can you, I assume lol.

One side is more sparkling than the other and I am a vampire after all so..sparkling it is. But seriously, this was an interesting topic. Lots of things for me to ponder 🙂. Making a Virgo think more = awesome stuff 😄
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Posted by LostinmyMind11
*goes back to being a lurker after saying HI TMV 🙂*





Posted by Damnata

Yup, 2 sides of a coin. Selfish/selfless.

We toss that coin with every choice we make..it lands on one side or the other. You portrayed the other coin to my reasoning. To be honest, I can argue both as can you, I assume lol.
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Good observation. I think we can see a good bit about this in reflection of our Pisces opposite. As the final sign of the zodiac Pisces is about the complete dissolution of the individual ego and martyrdom for all of humanity. I believe Virgo encompasses the culmination of that individual ego, the completion of the self. With that maturity Virgo also chooses to serve but it's on a more personal basis that those of the transpersonal signs.
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CC, Virgos not only admit their flaws, we talk about them constantly. It's harder for us to acknowledge our good parts. And whenever we do that, everyone jumps into a topic and hops on the "Virgo are the worst" train. Like we're seriously not allowed to have any virtues.

The projection on the Virgo Board lately is incredible...but I'd have to go through each of the posts to point it out.

I'm not going to be sorry for our virtues and I'm going to talk about them too. People can see I bash Virgos on what we deserve to be bashed on..this topic was about one of our qualities and yet people made it into a flaw..which doesn't really surprise me. At the end we really cater to no one's assumptions. And most people cannot deal with it..which is hilarious.

Either way, I know myself and my Virgo friends. In an emergency, I rely on no other sign. I've never been disappointed..we can bicker and poke fun but we have each other's back. Same dynamic I have with Aries.
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Posted by virgowithasoul
I can share that I led a life of benjamin button. Whereby as people learn to be less selfish as they age, I underwent the opposite process. Being a selfless child I was always taken advantage of and I grew fed up.

Now I'm the cynic everyone cannot stand. Even if I were given the chance, I'd rather be who I end up now. Wearing people down is what I am capable of now and I relish in it.

As of now, the only people I am kind to are children because I do not want another me. If career prospects were good, I will have liked to be a a childhood educator to make sure the moral conduct of children inprove.



I went the other way..I was incredibly selfish and manipulative. The manipulative part is a tendency I still have but I make it a choice not go there. I've went from selfish to ...doormatish almost. Now I think I reached a comfortable middle of the way. It's like our sign goes from one extreme to the next..and we must strive to remain in the middle.
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Virgos do not like to bother people with our problems and we when do people see it as complaining so we keep to our self. We always try to make our selfs stronger we know things have to be done by our self. People say they will walk with you that's nice and all but some things have to be done by your self. And after getting into astrolog that thought has been reinforce. Because each person in this world has struggle in there chart 90 percent of it has to be fix by your self. Virgos are very strong even though people wont to give us credit. I'll use famous virgos for example like Taylor perry for example he was homeless for good part of his adult life but he had a dream of making movies and plays. And he was able to reach his dream some people couldn't handle that life there other virgos with mess up life that got through it like keanu reeves.
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Posted by Damnata
Posted by virgowithasoul
Posted by CluelessCancer
But why?

"We'll walk the path to hell by our lone selves,"

that's a heavy burden...some people want to walk to hell and back with you.



Experience tells me otherwise. It's every man for themself. The only people who would do that is anyone's good parents. I've learnt better that we walk our own path to selective damnation.



damnation you say? 😛
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haw it took me a while to get it. but yes. selective Damnation 😄
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scorched, I don't deny having problems seeing things from another's perspective. It is a weakness of mine. I've experienced plenty of misunderstandings because of this habit. Then again it's my own issue and not a virgo from my standpoint. Being mercurial by personality I tend to want to talk things out impatiently and it causes problems. Having patience to listen is a work in progress.
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Posted by tiziani
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CC, Virgos not only admit their flaws....




Sorry but you lost even me here. Pushing the boat out a little there.


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Not at all. If you read my posts on the Virgo Board you'd see when I state Virgos are in the wrong, including our many flaws, mainly about expressing emotion. I am not denying it. However this topic was about a quality, not a flaw...it turned into a flaw like all topics tend to, lately.
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It mainly goes like this..

Whenever I say a Virgo is in the wrong (like CC's douchebag Virgo) and explain it..or when a Virgo makes an ass out of himself/herself (myself included)..everyone is happy

Whenever I say something about Virgo qualities, people go "How dare you?!"

It's unfair. I'm sorry if talking about nice things about Virgos ruffles feathers up (not you, tiz) but I won't stop just because people would rather bathe in the negativity.
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