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haffo
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I think I know where Qbone tries to get in this topic.

You want to show the desperation of people who are currently in war territories, like Iraq.

Well, desperate people use desperate measures. They either turn into killers for revenge, into soldiers for that matter too. Or into terrorists, just like people who we see now. The important thing here is to not create situations where people will most likely turn for these measures.

Sometimes it's unavoidable. Sometimes, the roots of some crap in this world can be soo deep, that even trying changing this could turn any person into desperation, but that's good when the outcome outweights the loss.
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I rage within. I pace. I pray to not destroy myself. I curse the perceived source of my loss. I scream outwardly and inwardly. I write dreary poetry. I zone out at work, can't concentrate. Then, smack in the middle of it all, I return to myself. Then, after a few days, I may return to the previous state. I go through this "cycle" of down-time and emotional upheaval, to somewhat normalcy for quite a while. I was betrayed in 2004, and my mind can still get caught in the "trap" of my feelings that those memories evoke.
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I would go through all of the emotional turmoil that would come with so much loss - denial, anger, grief, depression, despair. I would withdraw into myself. Once the initial shock and despair have passed, I would find what I have left of myself and start rebuilding my own life.

I know I would still be grieving, but it would get better each day. I tend to view loss and death as the possibility for new beginnings and rebirth, not just loss. There would be the chance(and necessity) to start over.

I've lost a lot in my life and learned to look at the positive possibilities of any situation.
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Having no choice in the matter is devestating. I have felt helpless and hopeless, and for some reason I always feel a bit guilty, as if I COULD have done something to stop it. Like one time when I just came out of a convenience store and heard a loud thud. Turning around, I saw two human beings flying through the air. They had tried to cross the street to their Motel and didn't see the car. I dunno it's weird I guess, I just felt like since I was right there maybe I should have seen something or done something, but I know that wasn't possible.
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"wtf . . survive, just like everybody else . . how ever possible . . even if it's desperate . . whatever it takes to survive."

Well........some people DO commit suicide. So the answer may seem simple but there are people in psyche wards who might disagree. Your ability to handle sensitive problems, tragedies etc...is totally individual, and sometimes very circumstantial. Not just an instict of survival. Otherwise, no one would starve to death on this planet!

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It was my understanding that the premise of this was founded on the word "force"?

If this were a hypothetical scenerio based on "choices", then to handle onesself with reasoning would be wise . . from what I gathered in the question, the person lost everything because of the absense of choice.

In which case, reasoning, nor logic is capable of prevailing . . instincts to survive would kick in. A person could be driven to just about any means to keep living.
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Jwalker
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The question IS based on "force". My point is that we all handle loss in an individual way. I would think that it would be very different reacting to your own choices verses the reation to force. When we make choices most of us are aware of possible consequences and internally brace ourselves for the possibility of those. But lacking a choice and being forced to loose your home or your lover or your job can be such a blow that some people freak out. Survival instincts aren't the first thing to kick in. Look at the guy that goes postal after loosing his job, or the woman who shoots her cheating husband dead, or any of the other obvious scenarios. These are "reactions" to emotional and mental turmoil, and don't have much to do with survival. On the other shoe, there are plenty who loose jobs or loved ones and just move on with life. I guess that's where I'm trying to make my point. It's an individual answer, not a collective one.
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i agree with jwalker -- you'd pretty much be dead -- your home, your family, your job, your dignity, your belongings, etc., etc., basically your entire life -- you would be left with your solitary soul -- you would either have to have something left inside that soul to rebuild your life or you would die....

either that or if you had that 2nd case of beer, you could drown your sorrows....
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haffo
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Qbone

It's a known fact that when there is no justice, then people seek justice themselves. For that exact reason, there were made laws called human rights. These rights are made exactly to not turn people into seeking their own justice by themselves.

Some countries today commit crimes against human rights, this is true.

But we need an understanding in this situation.

You were talking about suicide bombers. This is true. People will seek their justice through this method if other options are not available.

But what if the known facts are being bend over and twisted in front of them for the gain of someone? What then? Are they seek a justice that is TRULY needed?

That's a problem. In todays conditions, religion is very widely used to twist realities of people. People are being grown up in these twisted realities. And they are simply being USED. There are many organisations who do that.

Other than that, people who seek justice for real justice are rightfull. I do not disagree with them.

Everything that has a power to effect something, others automatically gain right to have an opposition. When you kill someone, you make others gain a right for opposition from others. Something has to fill that part.
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Qbone U wanted to hear a justification for Suicide bombing ( Perhaps Palestinian). And I guess U dont need to avail it from others as U are pretty much convinced on that.

My belief is that all "weaknesses" are internal U cant blame others if U are hounded out. U lack the vigor.

At least thatz how I see the whole issue and is applicable for all of us. Of course we may not agree.

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Qbone,

I do not believe there is any justification for suicide bombing.

When one out of three Jews was murdered in WWII, did the survivors go and suicide-bomb in England and the U.S. to get revenge?

No. They went to Palestine and built themselves a homeland.

Now perhaps you do not agree with what Israelis are doing today, but you can't deny that the initial impulse was constructive.

Many people in the world live in poverty, but they manage to keep going with the few scraps they have.
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Gaurav_Aries
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"No. They went to Palestine and built themselves a homeland."

They took away the land from Palestinians. Now thatz a different area of debate.

The question is -

What conditions lead to such meek capitulation ?

It requires lots of soul-searching and introspection. Injustice cant be eradicated..Itz here to stay. We just have to find wayz of not falling prey to that.
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haffo
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"I do not believe there is any justification for suicide bombing.

When one out of three Jews was murdered in WWII, did the survivors go and suicide-bomb in England and the U.S. to get revenge?

No. They went to Palestine and built themselves a homeland."

You do not see the bigger picture. There IS a justification for suicide bombing, just like there is a justification for any injustice.

The Jews did't do that, because Germans do pay money until today for what they did. This is called justice. So there is no reason left to do that anymore.
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