VirLeogurl09
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Why Virgo and Sagittarius do NOT work (Page 2)
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I'm sorry Ms. P but your judgements really got to me at that point because I swore u could have just taken the words out of my own mouth in your 1st paragraph, but that could go for anyone. Fill in the blank with Virgo taken out 🙂
Don't mind this.. everyone get back on topic about their relationship lol
Don't mind this.. everyone get back on topic about their relationship lol
Posted by Ms.P
"Sometimes I feel my selfless wishes are never recognised nor appreciated. But rather openly condemned as is clear in this thread. Only we Virgos can truly understand this."
Oh please. Spare us.
Thankgod the Virgos on this board aren't representative of the many lovely ones I know in person. I would imagine its because they don't know enough about astrology to try and 'become' what they've read about Virgos. Your acts are not selfless, no matter how much you think you're just being true to your 'helpful virgo' nature. They are controlling, and more importantly, pointless.
The fact that she smokes and drinks isn't the issue, Cajun....the fact that she has lied to you should be. You aren't staying with her because you want to better her, you're staying because you're probably afraid of being alone..even if that means going against your integrity. Instead of admitting that to yourself, you tell yourself you're this great man who should be congratulated for your efforts in trying to 'show the light' to the lesser folks who aren't as enlightened as you.
Get real, and save the captain save a chick, act. All you're doing is compromising your beliefs. You shouldn't do that for anyone.
Good luck.
i agree completely and could not have said it any better.
She did leave a good point, just shouldn't have brought us all into it 🙂
Haha, so you all condemn the Virgo man who runs away from his feelings and gives you the silent treatment as is seen in many other threads.
And you also condemn the Virgo man, who stays around and tries to make things work for the betterment of the relationship and in your own interests.
You women clearly don't want a man, you want a dog, who loves you no matter what and does what you say.
The hypocrisy is spellbinding.
And you also condemn the Virgo man, who stays around and tries to make things work for the betterment of the relationship and in your own interests.
You women clearly don't want a man, you want a dog, who loves you no matter what and does what you say.
The hypocrisy is spellbinding.
1.) i have never once complained about a virgo disappearing act, so the "hypocrisy" does not apply to me in the slightest.
2.) no one is condemning you. we're simply pointing out that your attempts to "guide" this girl are not as selfless as you would like us to believe, as well as stating the experience-backed observation that such attempts to "guide" others (or, per your definition, change them) are usually quite unsuccessful.
3.) your defensiveness and self-righteousness when given well-intentioned and earnest advice are off-putting.
2.) no one is condemning you. we're simply pointing out that your attempts to "guide" this girl are not as selfless as you would like us to believe, as well as stating the experience-backed observation that such attempts to "guide" others (or, per your definition, change them) are usually quite unsuccessful.
3.) your defensiveness and self-righteousness when given well-intentioned and earnest advice are off-putting.
Posted by Shaks
cajun, why not making a conscious effort to try to look at things from the perspective that is being offered to you instead of stubbornly sticking to your pride?
Because these perspectives are filled with insult, bias and down right condescension from people who do NOT understand Virgos let alone me at all.
Prancing about here with their opinions of me as though it were some undefiled truth.
wheelhomies, I thank you for your contributions but your whole opinion is null and void to me. I would appreciate it if you chose to cease and desist.
25thDecan, could I please request that you go in further detail, where I was at fault?
Posted by Cajunspirit
Haha, so you all condemn the Virgo man who runs away from his feelings and gives you the silent treatment as is seen in many other threads.
And you also condemn the Virgo man, who stays around and tries to make things work for the betterment of the relationship and in your own interests.
You women clearly don't want a man, you want a dog, who loves you no matter what and does what you say.
The hypocrisy is spellbinding.
Cajun, I can kind of understand where you are coming from, there is nothing wrong with you trying to help her as you are in a relationship with her. And I don't think anyone is going against you at least I'm not, they're just trying to give you their advice. But you should just look at the bigger picture and see what is right for you and her situation. If she is bricking you and causing trouble, leaving you feeling at loss. That's when you need to realize you should be the bigger person and take a few steps back, instead of taking another step forward. But I don't know you, don't know your relationship in the life you live. It's your situation, it's your decision, but from what you shared.. you're relationship doesn't seem healthy at all. If I were you, I would have chosen to sail towards the opposite direction.. Leaving astrology out of it and just actually looking at the situation itself. But you know.. good luck with that, sounds very suffocating for your own sake.
Wow, this thread alone has given me so much good insight on the Virgo nature!
Beautiful.
I had this whole story about how my Virgo might be able to relate.. somewhat..
to what you're going through.
But I'm just going to put it like this.. Maybe this Sag girl does have a big heart,
and maybe she is a great person, and sure maybe she does live an unhealthy
life style , and .. and .. and... but you can't change any of it.. the good the bad
and the ugly..
Sags really do accept people for who they are (atleast the ones I've known) and
I think that is an awesome quality.
I think you should ACCEPT her for who she is and then let her go.
You need to date someone who fits your standards. Someone you don't have
to change.
Who doesn't get tired of having someone trying to CHANGE them?
Even worse... feeling RESPONSIBLE for someone elses unhappiness??
I'm not even going to get into what she does or doesn't do... it doesn't matter..
it doesn't fit your life style .. she's not your puzzle piece, you're immersed in a song
she isn't dancing to.. .. vice versa..
It's that painfully simple.
YOU shouldn't try to change how you feel about the situation either.
You can't change your convictions for anyone else. If you feel so strongly
about a certain life style or the type of woman you want to be
with... you don't settle for less.. it won't work.
Try drinking water on a rollercoaster.. literally 😛
Cheer up, lighten up, Smile!
Beautiful.
I had this whole story about how my Virgo might be able to relate.. somewhat..
to what you're going through.
But I'm just going to put it like this.. Maybe this Sag girl does have a big heart,
and maybe she is a great person, and sure maybe she does live an unhealthy
life style , and .. and .. and... but you can't change any of it.. the good the bad
and the ugly..
Sags really do accept people for who they are (atleast the ones I've known) and
I think that is an awesome quality.
I think you should ACCEPT her for who she is and then let her go.
You need to date someone who fits your standards. Someone you don't have
to change.
Who doesn't get tired of having someone trying to CHANGE them?
Even worse... feeling RESPONSIBLE for someone elses unhappiness??
I'm not even going to get into what she does or doesn't do... it doesn't matter..
it doesn't fit your life style .. she's not your puzzle piece, you're immersed in a song
she isn't dancing to.. .. vice versa..
It's that painfully simple.
YOU shouldn't try to change how you feel about the situation either.
You can't change your convictions for anyone else. If you feel so strongly
about a certain life style or the type of woman you want to be
with... you don't settle for less.. it won't work.
Try drinking water on a rollercoaster.. literally 😛
Cheer up, lighten up, Smile!
"And you also condemn the Virgo man, who stays around and tries to make things
work for the betterment of the relationship and in your own interests."
One last thought.. it takes two to make it work. Otherwise, someone is
getting the short end of the stick.
work for the betterment of the relationship and in your own interests."
One last thought.. it takes two to make it work. Otherwise, someone is
getting the short end of the stick.
Posted by RainingPeanuts
Sags really do accept people for who they are (atleast the ones I've known) and
I think that is an awesome quality.
Yeah, they are very cool people to be around.. there are two in my family who are Sagittarians and i could definitely see that in them.
Hi Cajunspirit!
I am so sorry, like the others here, of what you are going thru. I know im still new here, and what i have to say may not have alot of impact, but here goes:
I really hate to see when well-meaning people such as yourself in this kind of situation. I can sense that you really want this to work, but when something gives you such a headache and so much negativity, it is a sign to run---not walk away. I belive that in order to have true happiness and satisfaction in this life, we have to ALLOW others to do and be as they choose, while ALLOWING ourselves to do and be as we choose.
How would you like it if some girl kept chastising you for bieng so cautious, so health-concious, and then kept telling you that she was trying SO HARD to save the relationship, if you would only CHANGE A LITTLE ABOUT YOURSELF OR YOUR WAYS it would be better. It probally wouldn't feel all that great, do you think? You might even try to change for a while, but after a while, it will become a struggle becuase no one can NOT be who they truly are for long.
I belive if you can cut ties with her and work on yourself, give yourself a break and just enjoy living again, you will run into the most wonderful, beautifull woman who you will find so much joy to be around, you wouldn't even have to ask her to be anything but herself. Becuase i belive that when you are in a place of confidance and positivity, that is projected out into the world and will come back to you in everything, including the kind of people who are in your life (please belive me on this, i'm speaking from experience first hand)
I know i would be jealous of however snatches you up, you sound like the type of guy i would just fawn and be all over all day! But I know you deserve a lady that you can share joy and happiness with, but if you won't make yourself avalible to her, she can't come into your life.
Love and peace
ariespisces_grl
I am so sorry, like the others here, of what you are going thru. I know im still new here, and what i have to say may not have alot of impact, but here goes:
I really hate to see when well-meaning people such as yourself in this kind of situation. I can sense that you really want this to work, but when something gives you such a headache and so much negativity, it is a sign to run---not walk away. I belive that in order to have true happiness and satisfaction in this life, we have to ALLOW others to do and be as they choose, while ALLOWING ourselves to do and be as we choose.
How would you like it if some girl kept chastising you for bieng so cautious, so health-concious, and then kept telling you that she was trying SO HARD to save the relationship, if you would only CHANGE A LITTLE ABOUT YOURSELF OR YOUR WAYS it would be better. It probally wouldn't feel all that great, do you think? You might even try to change for a while, but after a while, it will become a struggle becuase no one can NOT be who they truly are for long.
I belive if you can cut ties with her and work on yourself, give yourself a break and just enjoy living again, you will run into the most wonderful, beautifull woman who you will find so much joy to be around, you wouldn't even have to ask her to be anything but herself. Becuase i belive that when you are in a place of confidance and positivity, that is projected out into the world and will come back to you in everything, including the kind of people who are in your life (please belive me on this, i'm speaking from experience first hand)
I know i would be jealous of however snatches you up, you sound like the type of guy i would just fawn and be all over all day! But I know you deserve a lady that you can share joy and happiness with, but if you won't make yourself avalible to her, she can't come into your life.
Love and peace
ariespisces_grl
Posted by Cajunspirit
wheelhomies, I thank you for your contributions but your whole opinion is null and void to me. I would appreciate it if you chose to cease and desist.
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ok, you go ahead and ignore the things you don't want to hear, and blame it on some perceived "attack" on your character. obviously, you don't appreciate some of the best advice given to you on this thread, by myself and others.
therefore i'll surely "cease and desist", since your attitude has made this entire situation "null and void" to me.
so just keep believing you can change her. *thumbs up* you're so totally going to succeed! and on top of that, there's absolutely nothing wrong with attempting to change someone to fit what you want! you're so right about everything. 🙂🙂🙂
Posted by sb
I didn't think it was possible, but I am actually feeling sorry for the sag girl. You are obviously an egomaniancal pain in the ass, cajun. And she is probably doing all that just to get free from you. Why you guys haven't dumped each other ( assuming you haven't, I got tired of reading your self righteous "I'm god's gift" rant) is beyond me.
lol! Leave it to my fellow capricorn girl to be painfully honest. lol
I'm not sure if I found his rant self-rightous but it could have been, I'm not sure ... its been since saturday when I first read it.
I will say that I feel bad for the both of you because its obvious that the two of you need to go your separate ways but neither one wants to break up with the other.
From experience, break-ups seem to be hard for virgos -- none of them want to let go unless they are sure there is no way of fixing what is clearly broken.
Posted by wheelhomiesPosted by Cajunspirit
wheelhomies, I thank you for your contributions but your whole opinion is null and void to me. I would appreciate it if you chose to cease and desist.
'
ok, you go ahead and ignore the things you don't want to hear, and blame it on some perceived "attack" on your character. obviously, you don't appreciate some of the best advice given to you on this thread, by myself and others.
therefore i'll surely "cease and desist", since your attitude has made this entire situation "null and void" to me.
so just keep believing you can change her. *thumbs up* you're so totally going to succeed! and on top of that, there's absolutely nothing wrong with attempting to change someone to fit what you want! you're so right about everything. 🙂🙂🙂click to expand
That was totally your Aqua moon right there Wheels lol!
I have to go back and read some of the stuff that was said here, I feel as if I've missed a few things.
Posted by ariespisces_grl
Hi Cajunspirit!
I am so sorry, like the others here, of what you are going thru. I know im still new here, and what i have to say may not have alot of impact, but here goes:
I really hate to see when well-meaning people such as yourself in this kind of situation. I can sense that you really want this to work, but when something gives you such a headache and so much negativity, it is a sign to run---not walk away. I belive that in order to have true happiness and satisfaction in this life, we have to ALLOW others to do and be as they choose, while ALLOWING ourselves to do and be as we choose.
How would you like it if some girl kept chastising you for bieng so cautious, so health-concious, and then kept telling you that she was trying SO HARD to save the relationship, if you would only CHANGE A LITTLE ABOUT YOURSELF OR YOUR WAYS it would be better. It probally wouldn't feel all that great, do you think? You might even try to change for a while, but after a while, it will become a struggle becuase no one can NOT be who they truly are for long.
I belive if you can cut ties with her and work on yourself, give yourself a break and just enjoy living again, you will run into the most wonderful, beautifull woman who you will find so much joy to be around, you wouldn't even have to ask her to be anything but herself. Becuase i belive that when you are in a place of confidance and positivity, that is projected out into the world and will come back to you in everything, including the kind of people who are in your life (please belive me on this, i'm speaking from experience first hand)
I know i would be jealous of however snatches you up, you sound like the type of guy i would just fawn and be all over all day! But I know you deserve a lady that you can share joy and happiness with, but if you won't make yourself avalible to her, she can't come into your life.
Love and peace
ariespisces_grl
Well said..
Posted by RainingPeanuts
But I'm just going to put it like this.. Maybe this Sag girl does have a big heart,
and maybe she is a great person, and sure maybe she does live an unhealthy
life style , and .. and .. and... but you can't change any of it.. the good the bad
and the ugly..
Sags really do accept people for who they are (atleast the ones I've known) and
I think that is an awesome quality.
I think you should ACCEPT her for who she is and then let her go.
Thank you RainingPeanuts, after having discussed the relationship with her, this is the conclusion we both came to.
I will never stop pushing for a good positive healthy life style but I have to learn to bite my tongue every now and then.
She is a great person and she does have a great heart.
What I wrote in the beginning is my opinion of why I don't see how Sag and Virgos work based on my experiences. But leave it to a bunch of idiots to take it the wrong way.
I don't try to change her nor do I demand any changes. I just criticise and advise on what is bad and negative to make a clear view of what is good and positive.
ariespisces_grl, thanks a lot. You have a good point of view there. I really don't see how I could be chastised for these ways but my girl has asked me to tone down the criticism and judgemental mentality, which I have no problem in trying to do. I am and will continue to make the effort.
wheelhomies, thank yooouuu 🙂 🙂 🙂
jade_dragon, my description is filled with the facts of my experiences.
you are quite welcome, sir.
Posted by 25thDecan
Cajun, your criticisms are condescending to HER. I had to learn that while I want to criticize, sometimes I need to look at the picture again, assess and chill. BUT, at the same time don't tolerate her obvious bullshit. Sleep with her best friend and move on.
C'mon 25thDecan, anyone with half a brain knows that Virgos give the best advice and are most familiar with healthy living.
I really don't know man, but it seems to me all the crap you have been through is similar to my grandfather who married this tyrannical Gemini. He's jaded and has given up on his principals.
Sure, there are less headaches and arguments. But I would personally feel defeated on the inside.
My criticisms are to point out the bad things for her betterment. You of all people should know that...
Summer Bear, I hear you dog... but I'm one of those people who just has to burn in order to learn...
Posted by CajunspiritPosted by 25thDecan
I hear you dog... but I'm one of those people who just has to burn in order to learn...click to expand
Very true but that burn is what tempers us into our greatness 🙂
Posted by VirgoHeroPosted by CajunspiritPosted by 25thDecan
I hear you dog... but I'm one of those people who just has to burn in order to learn...
Very true but that burn is what tempers us into our greatness 🙂click to expand
i have to agree with this i think this is why alot of us stay single it like u get in this mode and u know its bad for u and no matter how much u run away u keep running back to the same place... it sucks...
Posted by Shaks
VH and virgoking, but whats the point in spending more time in your life protecting your feelings rather than LIVING them, isnt love all we really have in this life?
Who, me?
I'm AMAZINGLY picky about who I get involved with. It has nothing to with protecting my feelings.
There are guys who are completely bummed when they don't have someone in their life. Unfortunately that leads to just picking up anyone that's available. (I've seen it first hand in a few of my buddy's)
For me, I love having a g/f and I also love being single. If you're comfortable with that, it gives you a certain amount of confidence to just be who you are and also be selective of whom you choice to spend your heart on
My "burn" comment to Cajun's comment meant more that although I may not have agreed with him on things in the thread, I do understand that one must "experience" certain things in life and see things through, for better or worse.
Perhaps un-virgoish but one of my biggest motto's in life is "No regrets."
Posted by 25thDecan
Cajun, I admit I'm jaded. However I'm as realistic as they come man. When you learn that taking care of self too isn't losing your principles you'll feel much better about letting go of people who absolutely do NOT belong in your circle.
Haha, I always love reading your comments. They are the most realistic in my opinion.
I have always been someone to write people off on a whim and never lose a moment of thought, far less a night of sleep on it.
I have not disagreed with anything you said, I'm just not ready to... I don't know how to say it?
"Operate like you do"
VirgoHero, what did you not agree with and why?
I love virgo's. I think they are mysterious, serious, shy, and sexy. I dated one and it did work. He grounded me a bit and I cheered him up a bit. They are very easy people to become infatuated with😉
Posted by 25thDecan
I get you. Cajun...reluctantly.....power. lol
Hahahaaha! Hopefully I will be around when I'm as chill and cool as you 😛
Sagittarius89, she is the best girlfriend ever! I really love her happy and positive ways. I sincerely hope infatuation has nothing to do with it. I love her, too much.
"I sincerely hope infatuation has nothing to do with it. I love her, too much." Oh haha, no I didn't mean like that. I mean yes, I've felt that way about virgos but deeply loved them at the same time. Like both mixed together. If that makes any sense...
Would it differ if I'd say....
Cajun... you have no future with her. If you continue to force things, you will end up burned and possibly jaded like some of your counterparts.
Then the girl who truly loves you in the future, and deserves to be loved back, will pay for the consequences. Obviously Decan doesn't hold himself back from admitting he is jaded. I guess he feels comfortable in his skin, because he believes that he will not be the one again getting hurt in the future. HE will be the one hurting!!
He probably will not give a chance for the relation to develop. He will put a full stop after reaching a certain level in a relationship. He will find SOME excuse to see the girl as a bitch. And that will go on ....
Is that what you want for youself, cajun??
Do you respect the idea of being the "stronger" part by disregarding other people's feelings?
Cajun... you have no future with her. If you continue to force things, you will end up burned and possibly jaded like some of your counterparts.
Then the girl who truly loves you in the future, and deserves to be loved back, will pay for the consequences. Obviously Decan doesn't hold himself back from admitting he is jaded. I guess he feels comfortable in his skin, because he believes that he will not be the one again getting hurt in the future. HE will be the one hurting!!
He probably will not give a chance for the relation to develop. He will put a full stop after reaching a certain level in a relationship. He will find SOME excuse to see the girl as a bitch. And that will go on ....
Is that what you want for youself, cajun??
Do you respect the idea of being the "stronger" part by disregarding other people's feelings?
Anyway.. caj.. you know I like you. Don't mean harm, but I think you are seeing yourself superior over SAG girl by thinking you have to FIX her. I'm sure she doesn't like a man who believes she has to change for him. We all want to be loved for who we are. Seeing her complimentary side is wonderful, but DO NOT disregard her sides you find not so complimenting. The trick is in accepting also those sides. That is what makes the person and that is actually, what you fall in love with in first place.
I'm still not convinced that she feels for you as strongly as you feel for her. Not that you need to convince me, but I thought it might be a point to consider, perhaps it is due result of your critical eye.
I'm still not convinced that she feels for you as strongly as you feel for her. Not that you need to convince me, but I thought it might be a point to consider, perhaps it is due result of your critical eye.
I'm a genie in a bottle baby. Gotta rub me the right way honey.
we need to rub them the right way.
plus things must be ready for a change too, as wholmie stated.
There have been smokers who quit smoking when they fell in love.
It can also work when the two have something to exchange. you quit smoking I quit PC games...just a navie example.
we need to rub them the right way.
plus things must be ready for a change too, as wholmie stated.
There have been smokers who quit smoking when they fell in love.
It can also work when the two have something to exchange. you quit smoking I quit PC games...just a navie example.
Posted by 25thDecan
And for the record, I seek to hurt bitches who come my way. They don't deserve anything else from me. And of course I like to serve.
awwww 25thdecan ...
I remember you on these boards during happier times on these boards ... thats so sad to read that ...
Posted by 25thDecan
I'll continue for you FUM RED when I'm ready to trust another woman I'll do just that. Thank scorpion for jumping into a hole of assumption. And I'll reiterate agin, more harshly this time: there are more lying, cheating bitches out there than good women. I don't need to be preached too. I need only what these bitches can provide me...pussy. Lmao
Somebody always wanna fight.......
No, preaching is definitely not needed. Your mind is mind up in what you want to do. Hopefully something will guide you down the path of sweet surrender -- and then you will be contented and happy again
🙂
Posted by CajunspiritPosted by 25thDecan
I get you. Cajun...reluctantly.....power. lol
Hahahaaha! Hopefully I will be around when I'm as chill and cool as you 😛
Sagittarius89, she is the best girlfriend ever! I really love her happy and positive ways. I sincerely hope infatuation has nothing to do with it. I love her, too much.click to expand
You know ...
The last few virgo boyfriends (well, the ones that actually became boyfriends haha) said the same thing. They enjoyed my temperment. Like I made them happy and they enjoyed my positive outlook, even though they tried their best to counter it lol!. You see, I'm a cusp born capricorn so I have saggie traits as well and I have some saggie and saggie-cap cusp elements in my chart -- from what I can remember that is. So I can understand why you love her so much.
However (there is a twist to all of this, I think many virguys fail to see it) ...
I must say that there comes a time where we can't always be the ones who bring all the happiness and cheer. At some point, there has to be a 'rock' for us to grab onto as well. Most people who are full saggies or who have a strong saggie influence need someone who isn't afraid of our sharpness and who can be there even when we cannot put are 'sunny' personalities on display -- during the times when we need cheering up and inspiration through words, when we just can't be 'Little Miss Sunshine'.
If we can't have a moments where we aren't 'lighting up the sky' with the guy who is suppose to love us, then what?
What are we suppose to do? Just stay and hope things get better?
I must say that there comes a time where we can't always be the ones who bring all the happiness and cheer. At some point, there has to be a 'rock' for us to grab onto as well. Most people who are full saggies or who have a strong saggie influence need someone who isn't afraid of our sharpness and who can be there even when we cannot put are 'sunny' personalities on display -- during the times when we need cheering up and inspiration through words, when we just can't be 'Little Miss Sunshine'.
If we can't have a moments where we aren't 'lighting up the sky' with the guy who is suppose to love us, then what?
What are we suppose to do? Just stay and hope things get better?
hmmmm.... 25thDecan... I LoVe agressive men! They turn on my scorpion twinkle in the eye... 😉 my Mars desires to conquer...
Be less hard on the girls. Sex is not something to most of us that we take lightly. Even if the girl doesn't love you at the time, or intentions are different at start-up, be aware of your Virgo powers. When you serve well, you give us the wrong idea. We may think you care for us, which can hurt in return when we find out otherwise.
I can't know what your experience is to make you less trusting to women, but keep in mind: nothing is one-sided. You probably were part of the stirr-up. And most possibly, as much as you hurt in the past, that person was hurt at same magnitude.
As much as I admire the raw logic of Virgo, I hope you people can learn to accept that 'assuming' for Scorpio is a level of thinking that you may not be familiar with. Sorry for hitting your sensi nerve.... still can't but admire you guys.
Be less hard on the girls. Sex is not something to most of us that we take lightly. Even if the girl doesn't love you at the time, or intentions are different at start-up, be aware of your Virgo powers. When you serve well, you give us the wrong idea. We may think you care for us, which can hurt in return when we find out otherwise.
I can't know what your experience is to make you less trusting to women, but keep in mind: nothing is one-sided. You probably were part of the stirr-up. And most possibly, as much as you hurt in the past, that person was hurt at same magnitude.
As much as I admire the raw logic of Virgo, I hope you people can learn to accept that 'assuming' for Scorpio is a level of thinking that you may not be familiar with. Sorry for hitting your sensi nerve.... still can't but admire you guys.
Posted by ArcherPosted by cappysweetie
However (there is a twist to all of this, I think many virguys fail to see it) ...
I must say that there comes a time where we can't always be the ones who bring all the happiness and cheer. At some point, there has to be a 'rock' for us to grab onto as well. Most people who are full saggies or who have a strong saggie influence need someone who isn't afraid of our sharpness and who can be there even when we cannot put are 'sunny' personalities on display -- during the times when we need cheering up and inspiration through words, when we just can't be 'Little Miss Sunshine'.
If we can't have a moments where we aren't 'lighting up the sky' with the guy who is suppose to love us, then what?
What are we suppose to do? Just stay and hope things get better?
yes, yes and YES.. thats so true........ we sags need nothing less than a Rock of a man.
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3 men in my life have tried that I quit smoking.. one Leo and 2 Virgos..
leo was like ''if you smoke, I wont kiss you..''.. hahaha.. what do you think you are, my lifeline in deep sea.. yet he kept on kissing.. giggle ..
virgos were flippant few days and one fine day he would say "you are destroying yourself''.. then would say ''its your life gal, do what u want'' then he would sit with me and smoke someday.. and then back to criticism..
this all never motivated.. there was something a miss.. pressure made me resist and non-nonchalance made me think he is inconsistent .. of course, I could see his concern...
but concern alone does not work.. it needs..
1- I must be motivated
2- I must respect you
3- I have the environment and inclination myself.. (Number 2 is must)click to expand
😉 😉 😉 @ Archer
Yep, I understand. We can't have someone who goes back and forth with us. There has to be a stance taken and trust me, we will listen if theres good intention involved and if the guy doesn't waiver. If he has the whole, 'if you can't beat them, then join them' kind of attitude or if he's nonchalent, simply won't work. Haahahaha, a person with saggie traits are nonchalent enough, having another who is the same simply won't cut it.
We have to feel confortable revealing our flaws, espceially since everyone sees us as the 'super sunny people'. If we are not comfortable being both ways wit
Posted by Archer
now,, I have almost cut it down to HALF.. and I am quitting it.. yes..
for 2 reasons;
1- I know, I need to stop.
2-
I met this scorp.. he had short hair, very short.. about 3 months ago, I said "I so love men with hair that can be tied in a ponytail".. I had no idea but he stopped trimming his hair from that day, I just came to know,, that he plans to let his hair grow so that till my birthday (14th dec) he has a cute little ponytail.. this touched me so much.. I never asked him to do anything. ... while I was going ''awwwwwwwwwww...." as he told me.. he said.. "its nothing, archer, I want to do it.. sometimes I wish you quit smoking,, but I wont say anything, dont want to press you to be anything else that you are"
now that DID the trick... you see what I see..
OMG, I totally see what you see 🙂 Yeppers ^_^.
Posted by Archer
.. be the person who inspires another to be better ..
thats the ONE and ONly reason that someone else might change.
🙂
Exactly, if I need to do something, I don't need someone bitching at me about it. For christ sakes grows some balls and help me LOL!! Yes, I might snarl at you but that part of the process.
Posted by cappysweetie
I must say that there comes a time where we can't always be the ones who bring all the happiness and cheer. At some point, there has to be a 'rock' for us to grab onto as well. Most people who are full saggies or who have a strong saggie influence need someone who isn't afraid of our sharpness and who can be there even when we cannot put are 'sunny' personalities on display -- during the times when we need cheering up and inspiration through words, when we just can't be 'Little Miss Sunshine'.
If we can't have a moments where we aren't 'lighting up the sky' with the guy who is suppose to love us, then what?
What are we suppose to do? Just stay and hope things get better?
Yes, what you and Archer have written about, I can most certainly attest to.
We established a couple months in that one of us always has to be positive in this relationship.
Her cheerfulness comes and goes and when she is negative I have to be the rock and joyful one.
I don't have a problem with that.
Posted by Archer
awwww.. its quite obvious.. when some one says bad things about her, you are protective of her, .. here.. I am convinced that you see the potential she has and you want to help her reach it.. and it frustrates you when she is found wasting her talent and time and energies.
EXACTLY
Posted by tuscan_sun
I would take your comment offensive and play it off like a fly just passed by me.click to expand
You see, that is the thing. I was simply commenting on the object and her. There was no innuendo, it was completely naive and devoid of any connotations.
It was not offensive, only innocent.
She is the one who chose to reply in such.
Posted by Shaks
To quit smoking or some other addiction is a matter of SELF-WILL, more than anything else. You cant really expect your non-smoking significant other to be consistently patient, understanding and enthousiastic about an addiction that affects him in some way or another (although I have no experience in that department, I can not imagine how unpleasant and yucky it must be to get that taste of smoke in your mouth when all you want is to experience a pleasant, hot moment with your gf, by kissing her)
If you need a personal coach, or a professional who motivates you to BECOMING CONSISTENT in your desire to quit smoking (note: Im not referring to someone who will "make" you quit altogether) then get yourself just that and dont expect your boyfriend to suddenly know how to deal correctly with your addiction without "hurting your feelings or ego", men arent born with the equipment to know how to deal with these situations, so to expect like they should is ludicrous.
lol, thats not what I was talking about mister ^_^.
But I will say that everyone needs certain things in a relationship, some people can fill them and others can't.
Posted by ArcherYep, I understand. We can't have someone who goes back and forth with us. There has to be a stance taken and trust me, we will listen if theres good intention involved and if the guy doesn't waiver. If he has the whole, 'if you can't beat them, then join them' kind of attitude or if he's nonchalent, simply won't work. Haahahaha, a person with saggie traits are nonchalent enough, having another who is the same simply won't cut it.
We have to feel comfortable revealing our flaws, especially since everyone sees us as the 'super sunny people'.
you have quite some sag in you.. sweetie dear 😉
precisely.. regardless of all our ''I accept you as you are'' which is 100% True.. still we are believers of VERY high .. the star a half-horse is aiming it.. very high standards of dignity, endurance, resilience.. 🙂 .. a Man.. Mmmmmm ... damn, so many men stop at 'sunny exterior' and never plunge deep, which is actually the better of sags.. the wise old man/woman in them..
I can bet it is very annoying for the other person .. hahah .. they went for a child woman or a totally wild man and end up getting a blanket deal of ageless philospher.. I think sags Positively Hide this side,, only because they are afraid it wont be accepted / appreciated. 😢click to expand
lol, yes I do 😉 Along with having my main placements very airy, its a wonder why I'm nutty girl ^_^.
I COMPLETELY agree. So many stop at the, 'oh she's so sunny and glowy and happy' exterior, none want to plunge deep. If they do plunge deep, they start asking ... .......................... questions ... without trying to understand lol. Most of the questions have no relevance at all.
And get this, if you don't answer, it makes you look like you are lying about yourself, but you are not lying about youself at all. We can be very much the, 'This is who I am, take it or leave it' kind of people. We are right here, every last ounce, it just takes a person that wants more than the, 'the jolly super woman' to understand what he's actually looking at, right in front of him 🙂
Posted by ArcherPosted by Shaks
This is not about men being less deep than women, this is about women expecting men to be their ROCKS all the time and complaining because we simply cant be their rocks all the time. Men are simply not born with the wisdom to handle or understand women's emotions or mood swings and even less when an addiction is CONNECTED to them, things even become twice as complicated for the non-smoking male partner. Only a small group of men will acquire the tools necessary to deal *correctly* with something like this througout their lives.
the rock does not have to be super human shaks.. dont preseume on my part please .. the rock simply means consistency of action and follow-up and men are very much capable of doing that.
Men, lets just take you... I have read a number of your posts, and you have been very tuned to the mannerism and decorum and some complex signaling of your cap gf.. and you did try to understand and respond,, and I have personally seen you being appreciated and complimented by other caps for the 'right on mark-ness' of your posts.. its just a matter of being stimulated the right way.
Yin and Yang work together,, for they fit.. give or take the emphasis.. the connecting force is ''understanding'' and ''will to make it work''..
anyway.. I am not into any debate, so can have a difference of opinion and respect it as such.. 🙂
click to expand
Good job lady ^_^.
Posted by sagigoat
sometimes i wonder whether my rebellious side comes from sag rising or aqua moon or both. i can turn into this most difficult person when the rebellious side is triggered. i have gained much better control of my mood and temper in general over time but still having a hard time with the rebellious spell once it's triggered. i can only be sweet talked down skillfully when it happens regardless how my logic tells me otherwise.
where do u think it comes from archer and sweetie?
Oh darn it, I'm late! I'm sorry Sagi, I wasn't on yesterday at all.
Well, being as we are astro twins (🙂) and can relate with the rebillious side coming out in full force and being hard to pin it down once its out and about -- I have recently experienced this two weekends ago ... or has it been that long -- well, yeah a weekend just passed so yeah it was two weekends ago lol. Sorry, I got confused 😛
I didn't want anyone telling me what to do, I was going to fix the sitaution my way and I was going down trying ^_^.
From a astro point-of-view, I say it may have something to do with both your Aqua moon and your Saggie rising -- your rising only controls what you want people to think of you on the exterior, sure, bits of our sun signs shine through but mainly everyone has a front they put up, it what they want others to think of them, its just natural. Your rising does, however, control how you may display 'certain' emotions. See, I have a libra rising, so when I go on my "rampages", something clicks in my head and it tells me, 'Uh oh, maybe this isn't such a good idea or maybe it is' The libra rising makes me very determined I think. Whereas your saggie rising makes you throw you emotions out there with great exuberance -- this is why you may rethink what you say and do because you may think it was too much.
Your Aqua moon comes into play with unconventional thinking. It can be hard being around people who want to always, 'follow the leader', you want to match to the beat of your own drum but it can be hard because people like 'us' can be mistaken for being self-rightous because we knock against the usual system. lol, it could be worse for use Saggie, you and I could be be water signs with moons in Aqua with fire risings-- OH MAMA! lol, that would be quite a party.
Basically, your sun sign keeps you grounded, meaning that you will go through your moods but yo
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Basically, your sun sign keeps you grounded, meaning that you will go through your moods but you will think about what you are doing and have reflections upon it later and then understand what do next time. This is why you can control yourself better and better each time.
Basically, your sun sign keeps you grounded, meaning that you will go through your moods but you will think about what you are doing and have reflections upon it later and then understand what do next time. This is why you can control yourself better and better each time.
Posted by sagigoat
(sorry to take up space at ur thread cajun but it looks like u r pretty much done with this thread so i hope u don't mind...)
archer, the reason i am asking is because i really want to narrow down where it comes from and deal with it better or control it better moving forward. i feel terrible for something i said/did this weekend. my rebellious side was triggered and i deliverately said some of the most hurtful things. i haven't done that for a long time. i have overestimated my self control. the horrible thing is i refused to pick up calls it took me a day to realize how terribly mean i was before i called and apologized. what made me feel worst is i was not even blamed or critisized. i cannot believe it. i should really go sit in a corner for a week or something.
Well Sagi, you are a cap with an Aqua moon. There will be times where you just explode because your cap sun will want you hold things in while the Aqua moon is urgening you to get it all out. cap sun and aqua moon can be a very complex mix, its a push and pull kind of thing.
My mercury is in saggie, so can you imagine the trouble I get into when I don't walk away from sitaution situations 😉 I just run my mouth, and keep running it all the way into the ground hahaha, thats why I walk away when I feel it coming.
You probably feel bad because you feel you were too hard on whoever you were talking to. You must remember not to be too hard on yourself because you must keep in mind, if you were not blamed for anything said, then maybe it was a good thing that you said what others may have been thinking 🙂
well said mr.defense very true indeed
what's going on here ... all guys agreeing with each other—
that was a skeptical remark.. don't read in FUM soft tone.... I'm concerned of these boyz
Can't but agree with Summer...
I wanted to write a big paragraph on that yesterday but thought it wasn't worth my time.
Who is Mr. Defense, is it you, Brandon?
I wanted to write a big paragraph on that yesterday but thought it wasn't worth my time.
Who is Mr. Defense, is it you, Brandon?
you are right, hikoro. (I assume your comment was meant for me)
I do regret posting my thoughts. And I do hope cajun forgives me.
I do regret posting my thoughts. And I do hope cajun forgives me.
Posted by FUMRedFairy_tales
you are right, hikoro. (I assume your comment was meant for me)
I do regret posting my thoughts. And I do hope cajun forgives me.
Aww you can't ever STAY mad at Fumi. You just CAN'T 😛
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