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Temperament/MBTI/astrology
How do you go about getting your temperament calculated? I got a good hunch I'm water temperament. I just know it.
Yes I think there’s a correlation between astrology, MBTI and temperament. I found it very accurate.
Posted by Jumpin_Jupiter
How do you go about getting your temperament calculated? I got a good hunch I'm water temperament. I just know it.
There are many methods as I said (which may give different results), Greenbaum's is one of the most used nowadays, is well researched, simple and easy to remember.
You need the asc sign, the moon sign and season of birth, each of them is given 2 points. Then you also need the asc's ruler (planet), the asc's almuten (planet), the moon's ruler (sign) and the moon phase, these are given 1 point.
What you need to know to calculate...
air / Jupiter, Mercury (when oriental), Venus (when oriental) / 1st moon phase / spring = sanguine
fire / Sun, Mars / 2nd moon phase / summer = choleric
earth / Mercury (when occidental), Saturn / 3rd moon phase / fall = melancholic
water / Moon, Venus (when occidental) / 4th moon phase / winter = phlegmatic
If born at the other hemisphere, consider reversing the season. The author was flexible about this.
For the ASC's almuten, you need to use the table of essential dignities and have in mind the degree of your ASC and time of birth (if you have a day or night chart). Is 5 points for rulership, 4 points for exaltation, 3 points for triplicity, 2 points for terms and 1 point for face, The almuten is the planet with the most points.
Give it a try.
Posted by MyStarsShine
Yes I think there’s a correlation between astrology, MBTI and temperament. I found it very accurate.
Is that how it is with your type and temperament? would you share them? also which method did you use to calculate
temperament?
My brother is one of the few people I have the most reliable birth data (I checked his birth records myself) and I'm also 100% sure he is an introverted thinker, but thinking about his chart I realize there is no way he is not strongly choleric (Leo Sun, Mars and ASC with Sun and Mars rising in 1st, Sagittarius Moon ruled by an angular Jupiter also placed in Sagittarius, 2nd moon phase). He has cardiovascular issues and high blood pressure since young. Despite this, in Jung's view air = thinking.. it doesn't compute. I was told temperament isn't the same as personality so I should probably discard this idea after all.
"It might be easier to define temperament by what it is not. In the first place, it is not the same as personality, although personality can incorporate parts of someone's temperament in its expression. Personality is shaped by both internal and external factors, whereas temperament is entirely innate. Temperament is not character, though in some ways the two concepts have a commonality. Character can refer to the distinctive features or qualities that distinguish one form from another, and so is innate like temperament; but it also refers, at least in modern English connotation, to the moral nature of a person.
Temperament, by contrast, is inherent. We are born with our temperaments, and while there may be overlays of one temperamental style or another during our lives, what we get is what we keep. So temperament really has to do with a person's nature or disposition. Our inborn temperament is also what we fall back on when faced with a new situation: are we the take-charge, choleric type who rushes in to meet every new experience with gusto? Or the quiet melancholic, who hangs back and analyzes and would rather die than be the life of the party? Are we sanguine, looking to make new friends and social contacts, or phlegmatic and just want to be left alone?"
Source: https://www.skyscript.co.uk/temperament.html
I already have one idea that appears to give me decent results so far, maybe I should focus on that one.
Posted by june_rPosted by Jumpin_Jupiter
How do you go about getting your temperament calculated? I got a good hunch I'm water temperament. I just know it.
There are many methods as I said (which may give different results), Greenbaum's is one of the most used nowadays, is well researched, simple and easy to remember.
You need the asc sign, the moon sign and season of birth, each of them is given 2 points. Then you also need the asc's ruler (planet), the asc's almuten (planet), the moon's ruler (sign) and the moon phase, these are given 1 point.
What you need to know to calculate...
air / Jupiter, Mercury (when oriental), Venus (when oriental) / 1st moon phase / spring = sanguine
fire / Sun, Mars / 2nd moon phase / summer = choleric
earth / Mercury (when occidental), Saturn / 3rd moon phase / fall = melancholic
water / Moon, Venus (when occidental) / 4th moon phase / winter = phlegmatic
If born at the other hemisphere, consider reversing the season. The author was flexible about this.
For the ASC's almuten, you need to use the table of essential dignities and have in mind the degree of your ASC and time of birth (if you have a day or night chart). Is 5 points for rulership, 4 points for exaltation, 3 points for triplicity, 2 points for terms and 1 point for face, The almuten is the planet with the most points.
Give it a try.click to expand
Is there a link to this? I'm very interesting to know mines. I can almost assure you I fall under the water one. I love winter too. Oh yeah, it's water.
Posted by june_rPosted by MyStarsShine
Yes I think there’s a correlation between astrology, MBTI and temperament. I found it very accurate.
Is that how it is with your type and temperament? would you share them? also which method did you use to calculate
temperament?
My brother is one of the few people I have the most reliable birth data (I checked his birth records myself) and I'm also 100% sure he is an introverted thinker, but thinking about his chart I realize there is no way he is not strongly choleric (Leo Sun, Mars and ASC with Sun and Mars rising in 1st, Sagittarius Moon ruled by an angular Jupiter also placed in Sagittarius, 2nd moon phase). He has cardiovascular issues and high blood pressure since young. Despite this, in Jung's view air = thinking.. it doesn't compute. I was told temperament isn't the same as personality so I should probably discard this idea after all.
"It might be easier to define temperament by what it is not. In the first place, it is not the same as personality, although personality can incorporate parts of someone's temperament in its expression. Personality is shaped by both internal and external factors, whereas temperament is entirely innate. Temperament is not character, though in some ways the two concepts have a commonality. Character can refer to the distinctive features or qualities that distinguish one form from another, and so is innate like temperament; but it also refers, at least in modern English connotation, to the moral nature of a person.
Temperament, by contrast, is inherent. We are born with our temperaments, and while there may be overlays of one temperamental style or another during our lives, what we get is what we keep. So temperament really has to do with a person's nature or disposition. Our inborn temperament is also what we fall back on when faced with a new situation: are we the take-charge, choleric type who rushes in to meet every new experience with gusto? Or the quiet melancholic, who hangs back and analyzes and would rather die than be the life of the party? Are we sanguine, looking to make new friends and social contacts, or phlegmatic and just want to be left alone?"
Source: https://www.skyscript.co.uk/temperament.html
I already have one idea that appears to give me decent results so far, maybe I should focus on that one.click to expand
Sure
I’m water dom, INFP and my temperament is phlegmatic then melancholic which all makes sense.
I took a 4 temperament test online.
Posted by Jumpin_JupiterPosted by june_rPosted by Jumpin_Jupiter
How do you go about getting your temperament calculated? I got a good hunch I'm water temperament. I just know it.
There are many methods as I said (which may give different results), Greenbaum's is one of the most used nowadays, is well researched, simple and easy to remember.
You need the asc sign, the moon sign and season of birth, each of them is given 2 points. Then you also need the asc's ruler (planet), the asc's almuten (planet), the moon's ruler (sign) and the moon phase, these are given 1 point.
What you need to know to calculate...
air / Jupiter, Mercury (when oriental), Venus (when oriental) / 1st moon phase / spring = sanguine
fire / Sun, Mars / 2nd moon phase / summer = choleric
earth / Mercury (when occidental), Saturn / 3rd moon phase / fall = melancholic
water / Moon, Venus (when occidental) / 4th moon phase / winter = phlegmatic
If born at the other hemisphere, consider reversing the season. The author was flexible about this.
For the ASC's almuten, you need to use the table of essential dignities and have in mind the degree of your ASC and time of birth (if you have a day or night chart). Is 5 points for rulership, 4 points for exaltation, 3 points for triplicity, 2 points for terms and 1 point for face, The almuten is the planet with the most points.
Give it a try.
Is there a link to this? I'm very interesting to know mines. I can almost assure you I fall under the water one. I love winter too. Oh yeah, it's water.click to expand
https://openpsychometrics.org/tests/O4TS/
Posted by MyStarsShinePosted by Jumpin_JupiterPosted by june_rPosted by Jumpin_Jupiter
How do you go about getting your temperament calculated? I got a good hunch I'm water temperament. I just know it.
There are many methods as I said (which may give different results), Greenbaum's is one of the most used nowadays, is well researched, simple and easy to remember.
You need the asc sign, the moon sign and season of birth, each of them is given 2 points. Then you also need the asc's ruler (planet), the asc's almuten (planet), the moon's ruler (sign) and the moon phase, these are given 1 point.
What you need to know to calculate...
air / Jupiter, Mercury (when oriental), Venus (when oriental) / 1st moon phase / spring = sanguine
fire / Sun, Mars / 2nd moon phase / summer = choleric
earth / Mercury (when occidental), Saturn / 3rd moon phase / fall = melancholic
water / Moon, Venus (when occidental) / 4th moon phase / winter = phlegmatic
If born at the other hemisphere, consider reversing the season. The author was flexible about this.
For the ASC's almuten, you need to use the table of essential dignities and have in mind the degree of your ASC and time of birth (if you have a day or night chart). Is 5 points for rulership, 4 points for exaltation, 3 points for triplicity, 2 points for terms and 1 point for face, The almuten is the planet with the most points.
Give it a try.
Is there a link to this? I'm very interesting to know mines. I can almost assure you I fall under the water one. I love winter too. Oh yeah, it's water.
https://openpsychometrics.org/tests/O4TS/<div class="bqfade">click to expand
Thank you MyStarsShine you're the bomb. Just like I said. Phlegmatic result.
Posted by Jumpin_JupiterPosted by MyStarsShinePosted by Jumpin_JupiterPosted by june_rPosted by Jumpin_Jupiter
How do you go about getting your temperament calculated? I got a good hunch I'm water temperament. I just know it.
There are many methods as I said (which may give different results), Greenbaum's is one of the most used nowadays, is well researched, simple and easy to remember.
You need the asc sign, the moon sign and season of birth, each of them is given 2 points. Then you also need the asc's ruler (planet), the asc's almuten (planet), the moon's ruler (sign) and the moon phase, these are given 1 point.
What you need to know to calculate...
air / Jupiter, Mercury (when oriental), Venus (when oriental) / 1st moon phase / spring = sanguine
fire / Sun, Mars / 2nd moon phase / summer = choleric
earth / Mercury (when occidental), Saturn / 3rd moon phase / fall = melancholic
water / Moon, Venus (when occidental) / 4th moon phase / winter = phlegmatic
If born at the other hemisphere, consider reversing the season. The author was flexible about this.
For the ASC's almuten, you need to use the table of essential dignities and have in mind the degree of your ASC and time of birth (if you have a day or night chart). Is 5 points for rulership, 4 points for exaltation, 3 points for triplicity, 2 points for terms and 1 point for face, The almuten is the planet with the most points.
Give it a try.
Is there a link to this? I'm very interesting to know mines. I can almost assure you I fall under the water one. I love winter too. Oh yeah, it's water.
https://openpsychometrics.org/tests/O4TS/
Thank you MyStarsShine you're the bomb. Just like I said. Phlegmatic result.click to expand
No prob JJ
Same
What’s your MBTI?
Are you water dom?
Posted by Jumpin_JupiterPosted by june_rPosted by Jumpin_Jupiter
How do you go about getting your temperament calculated? I got a good hunch I'm water temperament. I just know it.
There are many methods as I said (which may give different results), Greenbaum's is one of the most used nowadays, is well researched, simple and easy to remember.
You need the asc sign, the moon sign and season of birth, each of them is given 2 points. Then you also need the asc's ruler (planet), the asc's almuten (planet), the moon's ruler (sign) and the moon phase, these are given 1 point.
What you need to know to calculate...
air / Jupiter, Mercury (when oriental), Venus (when oriental) / 1st moon phase / spring = sanguine
fire / Sun, Mars / 2nd moon phase / summer = choleric
earth / Mercury (when occidental), Saturn / 3rd moon phase / fall = melancholic
water / Moon, Venus (when occidental) / 4th moon phase / winter = phlegmatic
If born at the other hemisphere, consider reversing the season. The author was flexible about this.
For the ASC's almuten, you need to use the table of essential dignities and have in mind the degree of your ASC and time of birth (if you have a day or night chart). Is 5 points for rulership, 4 points for exaltation, 3 points for triplicity, 2 points for terms and 1 point for face, The almuten is the planet with the most points.
Give it a try.
Is there a link to this? I'm very interesting to know mines. I can almost assure you I fall under the water one. I love winter too. Oh yeah, it's water.click to expand
A link to what exactly? that's how is calculated but if you need an example, I could give you one. Or you could post your chart and I will do it quickly but I encourage people to attempt to do it manually by themselves and not use software or someone's help. If you have doubts about anything in particular like how to determine moon phase you can ask.
Posted by MyStarsShinePosted by june_rPosted by MyStarsShine
Yes I think there’s a correlation between astrology, MBTI and temperament. I found it very accurate.
Is that how it is with your type and temperament? would you share them? also which method did you use to calculate
temperament?
My brother is one of the few people I have the most reliable birth data (I checked his birth records myself) and I'm also 100% sure he is an introverted thinker, but thinking about his chart I realize there is no way he is not strongly choleric (Leo Sun, Mars and ASC with Sun and Mars rising in 1st, Sagittarius Moon ruled by an angular Jupiter also placed in Sagittarius, 2nd moon phase). He has cardiovascular issues and high blood pressure since young. Despite this, in Jung's view air = thinking.. it doesn't compute. I was told temperament isn't the same as personality so I should probably discard this idea after all.
"It might be easier to define temperament by what it is not. In the first place, it is not the same as personality, although personality can incorporate parts of someone's temperament in its expression. Personality is shaped by both internal and external factors, whereas temperament is entirely innate. Temperament is not character, though in some ways the two concepts have a commonality. Character can refer to the distinctive features or qualities that distinguish one form from another, and so is innate like temperament; but it also refers, at least in modern English connotation, to the moral nature of a person.
Temperament, by contrast, is inherent. We are born with our temperaments, and while there may be overlays of one temperamental style or another during our lives, what we get is what we keep. So temperament really has to do with a person's nature or disposition. Our inborn temperament is also what we fall back on when faced with a new situation: are we the take-charge, choleric type who rushes in to meet every new experience with gusto? Or the quiet melancholic, who hangs back and analyzes and would rather die than be the life of the party? Are we sanguine, looking to make new friends and social contacts, or phlegmatic and just want to be left alone?"
Source: https://www.skyscript.co.uk/temperament.html
I already have one idea that appears to give me decent results so far, maybe I should focus on that one.
Sure
I’m water dom, INFP and my temperament is phlegmatic then melancholic which all makes sense.
I took a 4 temperament test online.click to expand
You misunderstood me, I meant your temperament as weighted through astrology, not through an online test as those aren't reliable. Is what I attempt to do here with MBTI, finding a way to assess your likely MBTI type by looking at the natal chart, without depending on a test that is likely to mistype you. Like I'm pretty sure this very same online test gives me phlegmatic (I have done it before) but most astrological methods has me as something else, mainly choleric.
Solar Fire gives me this calculation for example
Is anyone really surprised at this? Lol 🤣
Your temperament is SANGUINE.
The sanguine temperament is fundamentally spontaneous and pleasure-seeking; sanguine people are sociable and charismatic. They tend to enjoy social gatherings, making new friends and tend to be boisterous. They are usually quite creative and often daydream. However, some alone time is crucial for those of this temperament. Sanguine can also mean sensitive, compassionate and thoughtful. Sanguine personalities generally struggle with following tasks all the way through, are chronically late, and tend to be forgetful and sometimes a little sarcastic. Often, when they pursue a new hobby, they lose interest as soon as it ceases to be engaging or fun. They are very much people persons. They are talkative and not shy. Sanguines generally have an almost shameless nature, certain that what they are doing is right. They have no lack of confidence.
Posted by cerseiPosted by june_rPosted by Jumpin_JupiterPosted by june_rPosted by Jumpin_Jupiter
How do you go about getting your temperament calculated? I got a good hunch I'm water temperament. I just know it.
There are many methods as I said (which may give different results), Greenbaum's is one of the most used nowadays, is well researched, simple and easy to remember.
You need the asc sign, the moon sign and season of birth, each of them is given 2 points. Then you also need the asc's ruler (planet), the asc's almuten (planet), the moon's ruler (sign) and the moon phase, these are given 1 point.
What you need to know to calculate...
air / Jupiter, Mercury (when oriental), Venus (when oriental) / 1st moon phase / spring = sanguine
fire / Sun, Mars / 2nd moon phase / summer = choleric
earth / Mercury (when occidental), Saturn / 3rd moon phase / fall = melancholic
water / Moon, Venus (when occidental) / 4th moon phase / winter = phlegmatic
If born at the other hemisphere, consider reversing the season. The author was flexible about this.
For the ASC's almuten, you need to use the table of essential dignities and have in mind the degree of your ASC and time of birth (if you have a day or night chart). Is 5 points for rulership, 4 points for exaltation, 3 points for triplicity, 2 points for terms and 1 point for face, The almuten is the planet with the most points.
Give it a try.
Is there a link to this? I'm very interesting to know mines. I can almost assure you I fall under the water one. I love winter too. Oh yeah, it's water.
A link to what exactly? that's how is calculated but if you need an example, I could give you one. Or you could post your chart and I will do it quickly but I encourage people to attempt to do it manually by themselves and not use software or someone's help. If you have doubts about anything in particular like how to determine moon phase you can ask.
I don’t quite understand how to calculate it. But skimming through it it seems they don’t consider houses. In that case I know it most likely won’t resonate with me because they will for sure give me some cold temperament type for my Aqua bits alone. Even though theyre in the 12th house which I feel affects them more.
I took the temperament test and it gave me Melancholic. I think the description really resonated very well. Im also an INFP.click to expand
I just not too long ago took the temperament test from different site and that one also gave me phlegmatic followed by melancholic coming in at 2nd. That one you got is for middle aged folks like myself. You middle aged?
Also I think I understand the op now but it seem rather difficult for me. I may have to give her my chart and let her do it for me. If the op is a her.
These are the results from the OSPP Four Temperaments Test. The calculated scores for each type are shown below (scores range between 0 to 24).
Choleric
17
Melancholic
10
Sanguine
18
Phlegmatic
8
Choleric
17
Melancholic
10
Sanguine
18
Phlegmatic
8
Posted by cerseiPosted by Jumpin_JupiterPosted by cerseiPosted by june_rPosted by Jumpin_JupiterPosted by june_rPosted by Jumpin_Jupiter
How do you go about getting your temperament calculated? I got a good hunch I'm water temperament. I just know it.
There are many methods as I said (which may give different results), Greenbaum's is one of the most used nowadays, is well researched, simple and easy to remember.
You need the asc sign, the moon sign and season of birth, each of them is given 2 points. Then you also need the asc's ruler (planet), the asc's almuten (planet), the moon's ruler (sign) and the moon phase, these are given 1 point.
What you need to know to calculate...
air / Jupiter, Mercury (when oriental), Venus (when oriental) / 1st moon phase / spring = sanguine
fire / Sun, Mars / 2nd moon phase / summer = choleric
earth / Mercury (when occidental), Saturn / 3rd moon phase / fall = melancholic
water / Moon, Venus (when occidental) / 4th moon phase / winter = phlegmatic
If born at the other hemisphere, consider reversing the season. The author was flexible about this.
For the ASC's almuten, you need to use the table of essential dignities and have in mind the degree of your ASC and time of birth (if you have a day or night chart). Is 5 points for rulership, 4 points for exaltation, 3 points for triplicity, 2 points for terms and 1 point for face, The almuten is the planet with the most points.
Give it a try.
Is there a link to this? I'm very interesting to know mines. I can almost assure you I fall under the water one. I love winter too. Oh yeah, it's water.
A link to what exactly? that's how is calculated but if you need an example, I could give you one. Or you could post your chart and I will do it quickly but I encourage people to attempt to do it manually by themselves and not use software or someone's help. If you have doubts about anything in particular like how to determine moon phase you can ask.
I don’t quite understand how to calculate it. But skimming through it it seems they don’t consider houses. In that case I know it most likely won’t resonate with me because they will for sure give me some cold temperament type for my Aqua bits alone. Even though theyre in the 12th house which I feel affects them more.
I took the temperament test and it gave me Melancholic. I think the description really resonated very well. Im also an INFP.
I just not too long ago took the temperament test from different site and that one also gave me phlegmatic followed by melancholic coming in at 2nd. That one you got is for middle aged folks like myself. You middle aged?
Also I think I understand the op now but it seem rather difficult for me. I may have to give her my chart and let her do it for me. If the op is a her.
What do you mean the one I got is for middle aged ppl?click to expand
It says so on it.
Sanguine = young kids
choleric = young adults
Melancholic = middle aged
Phlegmatic = older adults
Posted by june_rPosted by MyStarsShinePosted by june_rPosted by MyStarsShine
Yes I think there’s a correlation between astrology, MBTI and temperament. I found it very accurate.
Is that how it is with your type and temperament? would you share them? also which method did you use to calculate
temperament?
My brother is one of the few people I have the most reliable birth data (I checked his birth records myself) and I'm also 100% sure he is an introverted thinker, but thinking about his chart I realize there is no way he is not strongly choleric (Leo Sun, Mars and ASC with Sun and Mars rising in 1st, Sagittarius Moon ruled by an angular Jupiter also placed in Sagittarius, 2nd moon phase). He has cardiovascular issues and high blood pressure since young. Despite this, in Jung's view air = thinking.. it doesn't compute. I was told temperament isn't the same as personality so I should probably discard this idea after all.
"It might be easier to define temperament by what it is not. In the first place, it is not the same as personality, although personality can incorporate parts of someone's temperament in its expression. Personality is shaped by both internal and external factors, whereas temperament is entirely innate. Temperament is not character, though in some ways the two concepts have a commonality. Character can refer to the distinctive features or qualities that distinguish one form from another, and so is innate like temperament; but it also refers, at least in modern English connotation, to the moral nature of a person.
Temperament, by contrast, is inherent. We are born with our temperaments, and while there may be overlays of one temperamental style or another during our lives, what we get is what we keep. So temperament really has to do with a person's nature or disposition. Our inborn temperament is also what we fall back on when faced with a new situation: are we the take-charge, choleric type who rushes in to meet every new experience with gusto? Or the quiet melancholic, who hangs back and analyzes and would rather die than be the life of the party? Are we sanguine, looking to make new friends and social contacts, or phlegmatic and just want to be left alone?"
Source: https://www.skyscript.co.uk/temperament.html
I already have one idea that appears to give me decent results so far, maybe I should focus on that one.
Sure
I’m water dom, INFP and my temperament is phlegmatic then melancholic which all makes sense.
I took a 4 temperament test online.
You misunderstood me, I meant your temperament as weighted through astrology, not through an online test as those aren't reliable. Is what I attempt to do here with MBTI, finding a way to assess your likely MBTI type by looking at the natal chart, without depending on a test that is likely to mistype you. Like I'm pretty sure this very same online test gives me phlegmatic (I have done it before) but most astrological methods has me as something else, mainly choleric.
Solar Fire gives me this calculation for example
https://i.ibb.co/n3Jbwy4/temp.png<div class="bqfade">click to expand
Thanks!
I’m going to study this and see how it compares to the online test.
Posted by borednbeautiful
These are the results from the OSPP Four Temperaments Test. The calculated scores for each type are shown below (scores range between 0 to 24).
Choleric
17
Melancholic
10
Sanguine
18
Phlegmatic
8
😄😄😄we all doing it wrong borednbeautiful. Perhaps we all should just get the op to do it for us
Posted by june_r
I was asked if there was a correlation between MBTI and astrology and I'm currently entertaining several ideas in my head. Apparently even Jung himself may have spoke about jungian functions and its relationship to astrological symbols as he was learned in the occult. Temperament is something that can be assessed through astrology and at the very least I'm sure he touched that subject somewhere. Not sure which is the best method though, anyone here have their temperament calculated? Solar Fire does it automatically but I'm not sure which method is using, the software has me as sanguine.
I remember doing Greenbaum's method and that gave me choleric (hot and dry) which I can get behind as I don't really prioritize relationships over my personal goals. As far as compounds go choleric/phlegmatic or even choleric/sanguine were more relatable than a dominant sanguine type. Unless I remember things wrong Jung agreed the fire element (which has hot and dry qualities) show intuition. I happen to be an intuitive so it fits nicely. I want to check if there is something to this or it's a dead end.
I use to have doubts about astrology until I verified things to a absurd level. Part if my original scepticism
Was the signs/archetypes could be personality types we are all capable of. The greatest lies have elements of truth to them. But verified synastries in my distant past. And recently verified obscure placements with corresponding transit with someone that shock me, after the events.
However doesn't change the fact that it's a map of life experiences...because our ego is shaped by experiences people are close to their chart interpretation....well unless they get off auto pilot and become self aware🤷
That all being said, overlaying the actual person with their chart you will find correlations. My kick is synastry. Aspects will bring parts/placements out in a person stronger then normally expressed. I believe you would need to take this into account for most people to find the baseline.
Personally I switch between INFP and INTP depending on my focus.
Hmm how do you go about checking temperament again? Been years and only dabeled into it.
Posted by cerseiPosted by june_rPosted by Jumpin_JupiterPosted by june_rPosted by Jumpin_Jupiter
How do you go about getting your temperament calculated? I got a good hunch I'm water temperament. I just know it.
There are many methods as I said (which may give different results), Greenbaum's is one of the most used nowadays, is well researched, simple and easy to remember.
You need the asc sign, the moon sign and season of birth, each of them is given 2 points. Then you also need the asc's ruler (planet), the asc's almuten (planet), the moon's ruler (sign) and the moon phase, these are given 1 point.
What you need to know to calculate...
air / Jupiter, Mercury (when oriental), Venus (when oriental) / 1st moon phase / spring = sanguine
fire / Sun, Mars / 2nd moon phase / summer = choleric
earth / Mercury (when occidental), Saturn / 3rd moon phase / fall = melancholic
water / Moon, Venus (when occidental) / 4th moon phase / winter = phlegmatic
If born at the other hemisphere, consider reversing the season. The author was flexible about this.
For the ASC's almuten, you need to use the table of essential dignities and have in mind the degree of your ASC and time of birth (if you have a day or night chart). Is 5 points for rulership, 4 points for exaltation, 3 points for triplicity, 2 points for terms and 1 point for face, The almuten is the planet with the most points.
Give it a try.
Is there a link to this? I'm very interesting to know mines. I can almost assure you I fall under the water one. I love winter too. Oh yeah, it's water.
A link to what exactly? that's how is calculated but if you need an example, I could give you one. Or you could post your chart and I will do it quickly but I encourage people to attempt to do it manually by themselves and not use software or someone's help. If you have doubts about anything in particular like how to determine moon phase you can ask.
I don’t quite understand how to calculate it. But skimming through it it seems they don’t consider houses. In that case I know it most likely won’t resonate with me because they will for sure give me some cold temperament type for my Aqua bits alone. Even though theyre in the 12th house which I feel affects them more.
I took the temperament test and it gave me Melancholic. I think the description really resonated very well. Im also an INFP.
Ironically I just noticed Kurt Cobain was also an INFP, Melancholic temperament, and also a Pisces dom like myself.
Ive been drawn to him and his music (obviously because hes my profile pic 😂) despite me not really being a rock fan.
But Im not sure because I know other ppl with a Pisces stellium like me but have different mbti types and temperaments. That always confuses meclick to expand
Melancholic IS a cold temperament (related to Saturn), it has cold and dry qualities. But you are taking "cold" too literally here, it doesn't necessarily mean someone is lacking in feeling. And theoretically if you were to have Aquarius Moon and/or ASC this speaks of a sanguine temperament (hot and wet qualities) but Aquarius also happens to be ruled by Saturn so this would moderate the social expression of air as they have opposites qualities (hot-cold/wet-dry).
Posted by Wolfz
I got confused calculating it. We need some examples.
Yeah, an example is in order..
I'm going to do this quickly with Kurt Cobain as mentioned by @cersei, his chart has the appropiate rodden rating for this.
Chart here
https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Cobain,_Kurt
ASC sign ASC is in Virgo - earth melancholic 2 points
Moon sign Moon is in Cancer - water phlegmatic 2 points
Season of birth Sun in Pisces (born above the equator) - winter phlegmatic 2 points
ASC's ruler ASC in Virgo is ruled by Mercury - Mercury is setting after the Sun so occidental melancholic 1 point
ASC's almuten ASC in in the 23º, Sun is below the horizon (ASC/DSC axis) so this is a night chart
Rulership Mercury 5 points
Exaltation Mercury 4 points
Triplicity Moon 3 points
Terms Saturn 2 points
Faces Mercury 1 points
Almuten is Mercury with 10 points melancholic 1 point
Sign of Moon's ruler Moon in Cancer is domicile - water phlegmatic 1 point
Moon phase Moon is aprox. 132º away from the Sun - 2nd moon phase choleric 1 point
Sanguine 0
Choleric 1
Melancholic 4
Phlegmatic 5
So going by this method he has a phlegmatic temperament with melancholic as a sub-temperament
Greenbaum describe this compound as "reserved, with great ability to create, a recluse/hermit, march to a different drummer, understands interior life". Needless to say other methods may have him as melancholic, melancholic/phlegmatic or simply phlegmatic. He is likely to be a blend of both in any case.
I was originally asked for MBTI so I'm going to focus mostly on that as I don't think temperament correlates strongly with it anymore, maybe with enneagram and the Big 5? I was researching a bit last night and there could be something there, leaving this piece of info to someone who is curious about it. If anyone is still exploring temperament and need help or information, you can ask though.
@cersei
I was using this new method to assess as accuratedly as possible MBTI but is a work in progress. You said your type is INFP and your chart has some similarities to Kurt Cobain's.. can you post your chart? also from 1 to 10 how sure are you of your type? have you officially been tested? someone typed you? have you researched cognitive functions?
I'm looking at Cobain's chart and, according to my method, I can see he is in the Ne/Si and Fi/Te axis. Put together, and if I were to ignore who he is and how he is commonly typed, I would say he is ENFP as extroverted intuition appears to be the dominant function. There is another thing I'm looking at here (and probably something that is going to need hours of study to interpret better) but I think it involves the use of his functions in a different order or even imply the use of different ones. Let's say if we were to use the John Beebe's theory and 8-functions model and his ego functions were to be Ne-Fi-Te-Si (ENFP), his subconscious functions will be Si-Te-Fi-Ne (ISTJ), his unconscious functions Ni-Fe-Ti-Se (INFJ) and his super ego functions Se-Ti-Fe-Ni (ESTP). I don't know much about the personal life of Cobain but I have to wonder if, due to him being a successful artist, he developed an alter ego to deal with fame more effectively.
@cersei
I was using this new method to assess as accuratedly as possible MBTI but is a work in progress. You said your type is INFP and your chart has some similarities to Kurt Cobain's.. can you post your chart? also from 1 to 10 how sure are you of your type? have you officially been tested? someone typed you? have you researched cognitive functions?
I'm looking at Cobain's chart and, according to my method, I can see he is in the Ne/Si and Fi/Te axis. Put together, and if I were to ignore who he is and how he is commonly typed, I would say he is ENFP as extroverted intuition appears to be the dominant function. There is another thing I'm looking at here (and probably something that is going to need hours of study to interpret better) but I think it involves the use of his functions in a different order or even imply the use of different ones. Let's say if we were to use the John Beebe's theory and 8-functions model and his ego functions were to be Ne-Fi-Te-Si (ENFP), his subconscious functions will be Si-Te-Fi-Ne (ISTJ), his unconscious functions Ni-Fe-Ti-Se (INFJ) and his super ego functions Se-Ti-Fe-Ni (ESTP). I don't know much about the personal life of Cobain but I have to wonder if, due to him being a successful artist, he developed an alter ego to deal with fame more effectively.
Posted by Heavens2Betsy
Type me please OP? Just wondering what you think I'd be in mbti based on my chart.
Sun in 18° 50' Virgo
Moon in 16° 44' Cancer
Mercury in 0° 10' Libra
Venus in 17° 51' Leo
Mars in 19° 39' Libra
Jupiter in 17° 13' Libra
Saturn in 25° 19' Aquarius(r)
Uranus in 18° 20' Capricorn(r)
Neptune in 18° 28' Capricorn(r)
Pluto in 23° 9' Scorpio
North Node in 6° 59' Sagittarius(r)
Chiron in 1° 2' Virgo
Ascendant in 21° 13' Libra
MC in 25° 2' Cancer
I can try but I prefer to see the entire wheel to check house and aspects (is your birth time exact?). And I'm still testing it, some charts are genuinely complicated so don't expect much. I'm considering making a point system, I'm considering many things to make it more accurate actually..
Posted by Heavens2Betsy
Feel free to just throw one out lol. I'll find any of it interesting.
Yeah, yours is hard.
I need to study more a couple of elements and both happen to be in your chart, the way they could possibly affect someone's personality. Like the case of Kurt Cobain, there is the ego type but you may be prone to express other functions due to reasons I'm not about to guess here.
I have to play discard and check what is left. I believe your dominant function is a perceiving one (that is intuitive or sensing) and is an extroverted function so it could only be extroverted sensing (Se) or extroverted intuition (Ne). From my own impression, there are strong hints of Ne even if there are no obvious ones for Si. Se appears to be part of an elaborated mask (I relate it to Mars and yours is on the ASC which is very important, while also being debilitated in Libra), there is a minor hint of Ni which will only give more strenght to the idea of you being an intuitive. As for the other axis, if you use Ne the secondary funtion could only be introverted feeling (Fi) or introverted thinking (Ti). I have issues to remember what should I prioritize here in cases like you but I think it will be Ti because even if you were to use a feeling function (be Fi or Fe) this is likely to be hindered or show a delay in its expression, the optimal one. The thinking functions don't suffer from this. All together means ENTP.. with a big question mark.
Due to those 2 elements I spoke before, consider this..
Ego: Ne Ti Fe Si (ENTP)
Subconscious: Si Fe Ti Ne (ISFJ)
Unconscious: Ni Te Fi Se (INTJ)
Super Ego: Se Fi Te Ni (ESFP)
@borednbeautiful
If you have air Moon, air ASC and were born during spring season, that's basically 6 out of the 10 points in total you can get with this method.
@Jumpin_Jupiter
I posted an example so try to do it yourself by following it (I'm also open to any questions), it takes 2 minutes tops once you know what you are doing, even less so if you are able to do it in your mind. This is so you can learn how this works (the theory itself is extensive though) and check from where your result is coming from, that it isn't random.
@Lostthoughts
If you want, post your chart to check if you are in the Fi/Te axis or Ti/Fe axis. They are quite different but is also possible you may be using your unconscious "shadow" functions.
For temperament, see the 2nd post below you and also the 4th one in the 1st page.
If you have air Moon, air ASC and were born during spring season, that's basically 6 out of the 10 points in total you can get with this method.
@Jumpin_Jupiter
I posted an example so try to do it yourself by following it (I'm also open to any questions), it takes 2 minutes tops once you know what you are doing, even less so if you are able to do it in your mind. This is so you can learn how this works (the theory itself is extensive though) and check from where your result is coming from, that it isn't random.
@Lostthoughts
If you want, post your chart to check if you are in the Fi/Te axis or Ti/Fe axis. They are quite different but is also possible you may be using your unconscious "shadow" functions.
For temperament, see the 2nd post below you and also the 4th one in the 1st page.
@Heavens2Betsy
Interesting, 5 out of the 7 traditional planets in your chart are in degrees 16 to 19.
Only Saturn at 25º and Mercury at 0º.
I have 4 in 17-18, Jupiter at 24º, Sun at 0º, Saturn at 29º.
Have you noticed having this in common with your closest connections?
I don't do synastry but I have noticed patterns.
Interesting, 5 out of the 7 traditional planets in your chart are in degrees 16 to 19.
Only Saturn at 25º and Mercury at 0º.
I have 4 in 17-18, Jupiter at 24º, Sun at 0º, Saturn at 29º.
Have you noticed having this in common with your closest connections?
I don't do synastry but I have noticed patterns.
Posted by june_r
@borednbeautiful
If you have air Moon, air ASC and were born during spring season, that's basically 6 out of the 10 points in total you can get with this method.
@Jumpin_Jupiter
I posted an example so try to do it yourself by following it (I'm also open to any questions), it takes 2 minutes tops once you know what you are doing, even less so if you are able to do it in your mind. This is so you can learn how this works (the theory itself is extensive though) and check from where your result is coming from, that it isn't random.
@Lostthoughts
If you want, post your chart to check if you are in the Fi/Te axis or Ti/Fe axis. They are quite different but is also possible you may be using your unconscious "shadow" functions.
For temperament, see the 2nd post below you and also the 4th one in the 1st page.
https://ibb.co/pnZgvrB
Posted by LostthoughtsPosted by june_r
@borednbeautiful
If you have air Moon, air ASC and were born during spring season, that's basically 6 out of the 10 points in total you can get with this method.
@Jumpin_Jupiter
I posted an example so try to do it yourself by following it (I'm also open to any questions), it takes 2 minutes tops once you know what you are doing, even less so if you are able to do it in your mind. This is so you can learn how this works (the theory itself is extensive though) and check from where your result is coming from, that it isn't random.
@Lostthoughts
If you want, post your chart to check if you are in the Fi/Te axis or Ti/Fe axis. They are quite different but is also possible you may be using your unconscious "shadow" functions.
For temperament, see the 2nd post below you and also the 4th one in the 1st page.
https://ibb.co/pnZgvrB<div class="bqfade">click to expand
Remember this is just my speculation.
Is important to have in mind the functions from the beginning
INFP - Fi Ne Si Te
INTP - Ti Ne Si Fe
These are your usual results.
Looking at your chart it doesn't show introverted feeling (Fi) NOR introverted thinking (Ti), BUT it shows the opposite of this, extroverted thinking (Te) AND extroverted feeling (Fe). I found this an interesting coincidence considering those results. If we respect MBTI theory we know we can't group these 2 extroverted functions together even if you appear to use both, one has to be deemed stronger and I believe that will be Te so the axis here would be Te/Fi.
You seem to have a handle of all perceiving functions (Ne, Ni, Se and Si) with varying levels of strenght but the one sticking is the Si/Ne axis with Si being the most powerful (birth time is decisive here) and the most likely dominant function making you a ISTJ. Having strong Fe makes you more fluid and so you may appear as a ISFJ, I have noticed in your chart your thinking and feeling nature are "disconnected" so I can see how you may shift between them.
ISTJ - Si Te Fi Ne
ISFJ - Si Fe Ti Ne
Same functions as your previous results but different order. I recommend learning about cognitive functions if I put doubts in your mind about a possible mistyping. As to why the test gives you those results, I may have to think about that but is obvious it has something to do with your dominant function (Si) interacting with your extroverted functions (Te, Se, Fe and Ne).
Posted by Heavens2BetsyPosted by june_rPosted by Heavens2Betsy
Feel free to just throw one out lol. I'll find any of it interesting.
Yeah, yours is hard.
I need to study more a couple of elements and both happen to be in your chart, the way they could possibly affect someone's personality. Like the case of Kurt Cobain, there is the ego type but you may be prone to express other functions due to reasons I'm not about to guess here.
I have to play discard and check what is left. I believe your dominant function is a perceiving one (that is intuitive or sensing) and is an extroverted function so it could only be extroverted sensing (Se) or extroverted intuition (Ne). From my own impression, there are strong hints of Ne even if there are no obvious ones for Si. Se appears to be part of an elaborated mask (I relate it to Mars and yours is on the ASC which is very important, while also being debilitated in Libra), there is a minor hint of Ni which will only give more strenght to the idea of you being an intuitive. As for the other axis, if you use Ne the secondary funtion could only be introverted feeling (Fi) or introverted thinking (Ti). I have issues to remember what should I prioritize here in cases like you but I think it will be Ti because even if you were to use a feeling function (be Fi or Fe) this is likely to be hindered or show a delay in its expression, the optimal one. The thinking functions don't suffer from this. All together means ENTP.. with a big question mark.
Due to those 2 elements I spoke before, consider this..
Ego: Ne Ti Fe Si (ENTP)
Subconscious: Si Fe Ti Ne (ISFJ)
Unconscious: Ni Te Fi Se (INTJ)
Super Ego: Se Fi Te Ni (ESFP)
WOW. You're really good at this. Dead on. I struggle with either being an ENTP with the super ego ESFP or an ESFP with the super ego ENTP. I think I was born with high Se. But I have developed Ne, or maybe it's the other way around. Also my Fi is only slightly over the line. So I'm like what is it Fi or Ti. Depends on the day. I'm a hit with the ENTPs on reddit so it makes me question, am I an ENTP? The ENTPs on here focking hate me though lol. I'm a 7w8 so that doesn't help. Thank you!click to expand
Thanks, this is helpful for my research. I would like to find what could exactly trigger these super ego functions.
Is possible you are overidentifying with Mars due to its intensity. It has accidental dignity being placed so close to the ASC, is also aspecting closely both benefics. This as far as I know doesn't compensate for it being in detriment which supposedly doesn't bring favourable results, but one could also be speaking of unique results due to being strong otherwise. I would theorize you're dealing with the overt manifestation of a shadow function, something that is likely to work in favour of the individuation process if we keep sticking to jungian terms.
"I struggle with early degree people more than others. Especially if it's their moon"
This last bit is relatable.
@Kuromi
Seems choleric
Leo Moon
Ruler of ASC is Mars
Almuten of ASC likely to be Mars
Mars is also rising in 1st (in some methods this is important), aspecting Sun
Sub may be either sanguine or phlegmatic
ASC is near sign boundary though. If Libra, then main temp would be sanguine.
As far as MBTI, it gives me ENTJ/ISFP vibes.
If I were to throw a guess, I would say you're likely to be engaging your subconscious functions.
If ENTJ / Te Ni Se Fi -> ISFP / Fi Se Ni Te
If ISFP / Fi Se Ni Te -> ENTJ / Te Ni Se Fi
lol I don't know if you were asking for any of this but since you came here flashing your chart..
cute dog btw
Seems choleric
Leo Moon
Ruler of ASC is Mars
Almuten of ASC likely to be Mars
Mars is also rising in 1st (in some methods this is important), aspecting Sun
Sub may be either sanguine or phlegmatic
ASC is near sign boundary though. If Libra, then main temp would be sanguine.
As far as MBTI, it gives me ENTJ/ISFP vibes.
If I were to throw a guess, I would say you're likely to be engaging your subconscious functions.
If ENTJ / Te Ni Se Fi -> ISFP / Fi Se Ni Te
If ISFP / Fi Se Ni Te -> ENTJ / Te Ni Se Fi
lol I don't know if you were asking for any of this but since you came here flashing your chart..
cute dog btw
Posted by MyStarsShinePosted by june_rPosted by MyStarsShine
Yes I think there’s a correlation between astrology, MBTI and temperament. I found it very accurate.
Is that how it is with your type and temperament? would you share them? also which method did you use to calculate
temperament?
My brother is one of the few people I have the most reliable birth data (I checked his birth records myself) and I'm also 100% sure he is an introverted thinker, but thinking about his chart I realize there is no way he is not strongly choleric (Leo Sun, Mars and ASC with Sun and Mars rising in 1st, Sagittarius Moon ruled by an angular Jupiter also placed in Sagittarius, 2nd moon phase). He has cardiovascular issues and high blood pressure since young. Despite this, in Jung's view air = thinking.. it doesn't compute. I was told temperament isn't the same as personality so I should probably discard this idea after all.
"It might be easier to define temperament by what it is not. In the first place, it is not the same as personality, although personality can incorporate parts of someone's temperament in its expression. Personality is shaped by both internal and external factors, whereas temperament is entirely innate. Temperament is not character, though in some ways the two concepts have a commonality. Character can refer to the distinctive features or qualities that distinguish one form from another, and so is innate like temperament; but it also refers, at least in modern English connotation, to the moral nature of a person.
Temperament, by contrast, is inherent. We are born with our temperaments, and while there may be overlays of one temperamental style or another during our lives, what we get is what we keep. So temperament really has to do with a person's nature or disposition. Our inborn temperament is also what we fall back on when faced with a new situation: are we the take-charge, choleric type who rushes in to meet every new experience with gusto? Or the quiet melancholic, who hangs back and analyzes and would rather die than be the life of the party? Are we sanguine, looking to make new friends and social contacts, or phlegmatic and just want to be left alone?"
Source: https://www.skyscript.co.uk/temperament.html
I already have one idea that appears to give me decent results so far, maybe I should focus on that one.
Sure
I’m water dom, INFP and my temperament is phlegmatic then melancholic which all makes sense.
I took a 4 temperament test online.click to expand
ENFp me 😄
I don't particularly care about the topic but I like INFPs lol.
Just call choleric a toxic. No reason to tiptoe around 😄
Posted by cerseiPosted by pisceanlovesPosted by MyStarsShinePosted by june_rPosted by MyStarsShine
Yes I think there’s a correlation between astrology, MBTI and temperament. I found it very accurate.
Is that how it is with your type and temperament? would you share them? also which method did you use to calculate
temperament?
My brother is one of the few people I have the most reliable birth data (I checked his birth records myself) and I'm also 100% sure he is an introverted thinker, but thinking about his chart I realize there is no way he is not strongly choleric (Leo Sun, Mars and ASC with Sun and Mars rising in 1st, Sagittarius Moon ruled by an angular Jupiter also placed in Sagittarius, 2nd moon phase). He has cardiovascular issues and high blood pressure since young. Despite this, in Jung's view air = thinking.. it doesn't compute. I was told temperament isn't the same as personality so I should probably discard this idea after all.
"It might be easier to define temperament by what it is not. In the first place, it is not the same as personality, although personality can incorporate parts of someone's temperament in its expression. Personality is shaped by both internal and external factors, whereas temperament is entirely innate. Temperament is not character, though in some ways the two concepts have a commonality. Character can refer to the distinctive features or qualities that distinguish one form from another, and so is innate like temperament; but it also refers, at least in modern English connotation, to the moral nature of a person.
Temperament, by contrast, is inherent. We are born with our temperaments, and while there may be overlays of one temperamental style or another during our lives, what we get is what we keep. So temperament really has to do with a person's nature or disposition. Our inborn temperament is also what we fall back on when faced with a new situation: are we the take-charge, choleric type who rushes in to meet every new experience with gusto? Or the quiet melancholic, who hangs back and analyzes and would rather die than be the life of the party? Are we sanguine, looking to make new friends and social contacts, or phlegmatic and just want to be left alone?"
Source: https://www.skyscript.co.uk/temperament.html
I already have one idea that appears to give me decent results so far, maybe I should focus on that one.
Sure
I’m water dom, INFP and my temperament is phlegmatic then melancholic which all makes sense.
I took a 4 temperament test online.
ENFp me 😄
I don't particularly care about the topic but I like INFPs lol.
In mbti is that ENFJ?click to expand
In MBTI ENFP is ENFP and I've been one for as long as I can remember. But my shadow side and that Tinny bit of ISTJ is quite strong in me.
Posted by cerseiPosted by june_r
I was originally asked for MBTI so I'm going to focus mostly on that as I don't think temperament correlates strongly with it anymore, maybe with enneagram and the Big 5? I was researching a bit last night and there could be something there, leaving this piece of info to someone who is curious about it. If anyone is still exploring temperament and need help or information, you can ask though.
@cersei
I was using this new method to assess as accuratedly as possible MBTI but is a work in progress. You said your type is INFP and your chart has some similarities to Kurt Cobain's.. can you post your chart? also from 1 to 10 how sure are you of your type? have you officially been tested? someone typed you? have you researched cognitive functions?
I'm looking at Cobain's chart and, according to my method, I can see he is in the Ne/Si and Fi/Te axis. Put together, and if I were to ignore who he is and how he is commonly typed, I would say he is ENFP as extroverted intuition appears to be the dominant function. There is another thing I'm looking at here (and probably something that is going to need hours of study to interpret better) but I think it involves the use of his functions in a different order or even imply the use of different ones. Let's say if we were to use the John Beebe's theory and 8-functions model and his ego functions were to be Ne-Fi-Te-Si (ENFP), his subconscious functions will be Si-Te-Fi-Ne (ISTJ), his unconscious functions Ni-Fe-Ti-Se (INFJ) and his super ego functions Se-Ti-Fe-Ni (ESTP). I don't know much about the personal life of Cobain but I have to wonder if, due to him being a successful artist, he developed an alter ego to deal with fame more effectively.
This is my chart. It’s not identical of course, but there are similarities.
And as for mbti. Yes Im very very certain I am an INFP and aware of cognitive functions. For a while I was stuck between INFP ISFP or even INFJ. But through reading on the types, cognitive functions, and just going with my gut I feel INFP is definitely me.
Im not sure if Kurt Cobain can truly be an ENFP. All his music and journals are so Introverted feeling, and his auxiliary obviously Extraverted intuition, it’s become practically cannon that Kurt is posterchild INFP. In mbti community almost everyone agrees with that.
I can see where ENFP may seem possible, since they have similar functions, but he was obviously driven by feeling first. He navigated and viewed the world through his feelings. And his moral compass formed from his own feelings and view of the world. He had a strong moral compass, and strong reactions to anyone who threatened that compass. One thing he said stood out to me was when he said he wishes he could get rid of all the racists, sexists, and homophobes in the audience. It bothered him. He was forward in his beliefs. I would say very self aware, like he knew what he liked, disliked, what he wanted or didn’t want even if confused at times.
Emotional and often Fi doms are in their feels a lot. To the point we may pity ourselves or be a bit self destructive. When we’re unhealthy. And of course the Ne was there too in his music. But I feel Fi is dominant to Ne. If he isn’t an INFP then no one can be lolclick to expand
Oh, I remember this chart. Was your username Yasmine at some point?
So according to my method, you are in the Fi/Te axis with Fi being your dominant function. This means you can only be a ISFP or a INFP. The perceiving function is more tricky, there are elements in your chart showing both Se and Ne. If Ne is being used here is not used openly, it could be that you see your Ne as not very advantageous to your immediate goals (Ne can make someone too chaotic, scattered, unrealistic...) or this has to be with how you come across (as a 1st houser) and so you hide bits of yourself (12th house). Keeping a tight lid on it is likely to directly impact your mental/spiritual wellbeing (12th house) causing distress in this area. Doing something like writing can be very helpful to all that you don't express and don't want for others to know.
Se is a function that work at its best in worldly domains (the opposite of Ni which deals with the abstract) so is favourable for the social and professional areas, helping you to reach success. Keeping that in mind is possible that you aspire to be more connected to the world and so you may attempt to mimic those who you recognize as well grounded and sensible (you also happen to lack earth). This is likely to make you noticeably less transgressive than the average Fi-Ne person on the surface, while you probably keep your most edgy thoughts all hidden, but that proneness to be counterculture can still show somewhere in your personality (particularly one's appearance due to closeness to the 1st) even if it may not be readily apparent.
I'm more convinced is Ne now.. Libra Mars is not only debilitated but also afflicted by Saturn in your chart, something I was ignoring at first but now I think you should look at Se as an emergent shadow function (INFP's 7th function, also called the trickster function).
Ego: Fi Ne Si Te / INFP
Subconscious: Te Si Ne Fi / ESTJ
Unconscious: Fe Ni Se Ti / ENFJ
Super ego: Ti Se Ni Fe / ISTP
I'm rusty with all of this but you're free to Google it. You will get a better idea of your type exploring the unconscious functions.
Let me explain you more or less how I decided Cobain's type while comparing his chart to yours. I chose ENFP for him because his Moon and Jupiter are stronger, they have dignity in Cancer, are angular in the 10th. Venus is in Pisces and
almost on the axis which would make it powerful BUT is with Saturn. Your own Pisces Venus is not afflicted and is rising in 1st. You have an EXACT Moon and Jupiter conjunction but they don't have essential dignity and is in the 12th so extroverted intuition takes a step back in your case.
Most people certainly perceive Cobain as a INFP but I have also seen good arguments for INFJ. As you probably know they
both have different functions but if he were to be a ENFP, his unconscious functions would be those of a INFJ (and I'm finding some Ni in his chart since we are at it, Ne is still way stronger though). If the issue is introversion (as commonly understood), I'm sure shy, cautious and reclusive ENFPs exist. And he has strong Fi as I said, Venus is also in trine to Jupiter so that may bring some ease in its expression but I give more importance to the limiting power of Saturn. Is a matter of deciding not only which function is stronger, but also the one which is being expressed without restrictions (Saturn).
I had this idea when checking Hitler's chart: domicile Venus in Taurus, angular in the 7th but like in Cobain's chart Venus is also afflicted by Saturn (and Mars). Moon and Jupiter are together in Capricorn, both of them are debilitated in this sign (which has its implications) but there couldn't be any other possible dominant function if the one who would have been the obvious one has an exact square to Saturn. I initially thought Hitler was a INFP before making some upgrades to this method (and some well known jungian analysts typed him as a INFP) but what could explain the massive votes for INFJ? if Hitler was actually a charismatic ENFP.. is possible that when people say Hitler shows the dark side of the INFJ, they are actually talking about ENFP's shadow (INFJ)? Of course I could be wrong all around, that's why I'm still testing different stuff and researching.
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Apparently I’m in one this year just about now, and I’m not quite sure the purpose. While according to Grupovenus there are 3 points in March, August & November 2022.
I get I’m in an in between place in life.. time for some sort of transformation.
Libras are the worst sign for women aside from their looks they are the most unreliable most insecure most passive people ever don’t even attempt to get their opinion on anything they’ll give you the most vague and plain answers ever, it can be something
I suggest the earth signs, especially Taurus and Virgo. Scorpio and Libra as close second.
(Either sun and moon)
If you’ve either of these moons, how do you relate to the other one?
I’m tryna smash this Sagittarius who has cap venus.
It all started in April when I asked for his #. He turned me down, saying he’s married but thanks for the offer.
One month later he started leaving notes on my car, some cryptic messages, others flat o
so, until a few days ago, i didn't know a single thing about "houses" in astrology but just out of curiosity, i decided to look up the houses my planets were in.
my question is,
are we supposed to feel like the signs that rule these houses...?
for exampl
I was 13. I thought it was edgy and esoteric. I wonder what people think of it now versus when they first started looking into it.
I was scrolling in some reddit forums and found this meme on the most difficult sun moon combos.
Here they are:
Aries Sun + Capricorn Moon (this is what I am)
Taurus Sun + Sagittarius Moon
Gemini Sun + Scorpio Moon
Cancer Sun + Leo Moon
Leo Sun + Pis
Are they dxp rivals?
What’s the deal?
I was getting to dxp and saw dxp lipstick alley and opened and someone is talking about how dxp full of Europeans who are bigoted.
And something is true like: latter was always filled with threads from someone lame
of this person? anyone with experience dealing with these energies?
pisces sun
scorpio moon
pisces mercury
taurus venus
pisces mars
🤔🤔
might be Uranus
coz it's like Aquas can get away with anything. they always seem to find their way out of things. and they always tend to do well than most everyone else. no need to cut off a finger or defecate on a bed to get anything.
Sags can get fam
The date you joined dxp holds great significance as you felt compelled to register into this dark abyss. I don’t get users who keep deleting and recreating vs just logging off for extended periods of time as needed but I guess y’alls multiple recreation d
Where you know absolutely no one there at all? What y'all think of them. I went to one last weekend and couldn't for the life of me think of what to say. That's a bit next level, final boss type socializing. Public speaking is a breeze compared because it
So, all of my life plans are somehow tied to having a life with someone, like everything else will automatically fall into piece. For example, there is a man I like who is not interested in my existence, and he lives in a nice big city. Here I am dreaming
I don’t remember ever talking about female bs male of the same sign.
I despise men of my sign. I think Gemini men are most ridiculous creation there is. They don’t have personality so they creating one and trying to perform spectacle they produced but it
Okay this one is am easy one.. As the title stated. What's your least favorite sign from each elements? In case we have some members new to astrology who don't know what the elements are its being fire, earth, air and water. Also by least I mean your most
This shit has been hell; I just found out I have to pay a large sum of money because I was paid too much, work has been such a mess, and I bumped into a parked car in the parking lot at my gym so I'm anxiety ridden especially because this is my dad's car
Some of you wanted updates about my Pisces vs Scorpio guy situation so here it is.
- Had sex with the Pisces twice but can say I feel used because he's healing from a breakup from a few months ago still. Also I feel like he judges me a lot more or misund
I remember doing Greenbaum's method and that gave me choleric (hot and dry) which I can get behind as I don't really prioritize relationships over my personal goals. As far as compounds go choleric/phlegmatic or even choleric/sanguine were more relatable than a dominant sanguine type. Unless I remember things wrong Jung agreed the fire element (which has hot and dry qualities) show intuition. I happen to be an intuitive so it fits nicely. I want to check if there is something to this or it's a dead end.