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Posted by sultrykittyYou suggest her going back to someone who verbally abused her?
If you both feel the way you say you do, maintain distance for a while, months. If I were you, I would be honest with him, but not emotional. Lay out what you love, lay out what you will not tolerate, and cut yourself loose. If he takes what you say to heart, and if he means what he's telling you, he will respect your need for space. He will think about what you said needs to change and if it's worth it to him, he'll change.
You will know if he has, not because he is saying all the right things but because you'll just KNOW. We Leos and Aquas have a special connection and we can read each other's motivations as if it were in plain sight.
If he doesn't change, you'll already be on your way to something better.
Posted by rockyroadicecreamAnd women don't want it all? Come on Rocky! Women need to be more selfish? Really?! Look at the bashing men take on this forum for being even remotely selfish. Lord forbid a man not bring flowers for someone's birthday. That's guaranteed 10 pages of bashing his ass.Posted by bittercupcakeThis. This is why I get so freaking irritated by posts like these. We are in fucking 2017 and women choose to act like doormats about this stuff. "Oh but I want to show him I care!"
...sorry to say but women have got to be more selfish... men want it all...and if they can get it all...they will... eventually if you do too much... a man who once treated you well...will take you for granted because you no longer offer that challenge you once provided....
Yes, but the second he obviously started running with that, she just kept on letting him take and take and it turned into this monstrosity. You give an inch, they take a mile. This shit has been ingrained in a lot of guys' heads because of society and how it tends to pander to the male entitlement.
It's a major fine line so many women have yet to distinguish. You let his mom mommy the fuck out of him. You're a girlfriend/wife. Not secondary mommy. You make sure what he's doing isn't going to turn into some dogshit. You can still do for others while looking out for self in the process. Women seem to struggle with this concept in most societies.click to expand
And this man dosen't know what love is. You can't talk to someone like that if you TRULY love them. You protect the ones you love, not hurt them.
This man is a spoiled brat (like most Aquas are). Aquas do throw a fit when they think someone dosen't care or show they care in a manner in which they see fit. Aquas are also known to be self centered and hypocritical.
Take some time away from him. Let some thinking set in. Let him actually feel his own hurt.
This man is a spoiled brat (like most Aquas are). Aquas do throw a fit when they think someone dosen't care or show they care in a manner in which they see fit. Aquas are also known to be self centered and hypocritical.
Take some time away from him. Let some thinking set in. Let him actually feel his own hurt.
Posted by bkbella86Nope, reread.Posted by sultrykittyYou suggest her going back to someone who verbally abused her?
If you both feel the way you say you do, maintain distance for a while, months. If I were you, I would be honest with him, but not emotional. Lay out what you love, lay out what you will not tolerate, and cut yourself loose. If he takes what you say to heart, and if he means what he's telling you, he will respect your need for space. He will think about what you said needs to change and if it's worth it to him, he'll change.
You will know if he has, not because he is saying all the right things but because you'll just KNOW. We Leos and Aquas have a special connection and we can read each other's motivations as if it were in plain sight.
If he doesn't change, you'll already be on your way to something better.
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Posted by Astrology101Before this incident he and my daughter got along well that is probably because she was away at school for the majority of the time. When she did come home for breaks and weekends we did do things together as a unite. Like mini golfing and movies or just hanging at the house playing scrabble. When she had a break up with her first real boyfriend he was there for her and gave her good advice. She said that he was very easy to talk to.Posted by Ladi1975OP .. I don't know where to start..
For a year I have considered my Aqua to be my Best Friend and my soul mate. We spend every weekend together.
What makes this so hard is that 95% of our relationship is terrific and probably the happiest I have ever been.
You made plans with your kid... and he had a problem with it? And you still are thinking of him?
How old is he? Geez tell him to handle his ass like every other adult in this world.
Do you want a husband or a kid? Like seriously?
Just realize why he is treating you this way.. its because you have conditioned him to act like a baby. Maybe he always was one.. and you are putting up with it.
And a guy who has a problem with your kid... or you meeting your kid.. are you fucking serious... he needs to stay in his lane...
That's your kid and he has zero right to tell how much time you spend with her..click to expand
Posted by SsupermanAquas only want what they give back. They look for reciprocity...and when they don't get the fruits of their labor, the other person just gets dissed and dismissed. Simple.
And this man dosen't know what love is. You can't talk to someone like that if you TRULY love them. You protect the ones you love, not hurt them.
This man is a spoiled brat (like most Aquas are). Aquas do throw a fit when they think someone dosen't care or show they care in a manner in which they see fit. Aquas are also known to be self centered and hypocritical.
Take some time away from him. Let some thinking set in. Let him actually feel his own hurt.
Don't confuse a self-entitled, self involved man with Aquas. He's very clearly using her and she's allowed him to. Men know exactly the kind of woman they are dealing with when they get with them.
Posted by sultrykittyYou're one of those people I was referring to. Romantisizing shit and projecting.Posted by bkbella86Nope, reread.Posted by sultrykittyYou suggest her going back to someone who verbally abused her?
If you both feel the way you say you do, maintain distance for a while, months. If I were you, I would be honest with him, but not emotional. Lay out what you love, lay out what you will not tolerate, and cut yourself loose. If he takes what you say to heart, and if he means what he's telling you, he will respect your need for space. He will think about what you said needs to change and if it's worth it to him, he'll change.
You will know if he has, not because he is saying all the right things but because you'll just KNOW. We Leos and Aquas have a special connection and we can read each other's motivations as if it were in plain sight.
If he doesn't change, you'll already be on your way to something better.
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Posted by bkbella86Not really but you're entitled to your opinion.Posted by sultrykittyYou're one of those people I was referring to. Romantisizing shit and projecting.Posted by bkbella86Nope, reread.Posted by sultrykittyYou suggest her going back to someone who verbally abused her?
If you both feel the way you say you do, maintain distance for a while, months. If I were you, I would be honest with him, but not emotional. Lay out what you love, lay out what you will not tolerate, and cut yourself loose. If he takes what you say to heart, and if he means what he's telling you, he will respect your need for space. He will think about what you said needs to change and if it's worth it to him, he'll change.
You will know if he has, not because he is saying all the right things but because you'll just KNOW. We Leos and Aquas have a special connection and we can read each other's motivations as if it were in plain sight.
If he doesn't change, you'll already be on your way to something better.
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No disagreement with the fact he's being a dick, but I know Leos and I know Aquas. And I know how they inter-relate. I have 23 years of experience with one, who can also be a dick at times. And I can be a bitch; the shit cuts both ways.
I didn't suggest she stay with him, and I didn't suggest that how he treated her was OK.
But she's had plenty of "advice" on what an asshole he is and what a pushover she is, so I thought I would actually offer some practical advice that was helpful to me at one time.
Posted by Capmercury87+785927589357892
He was using you
I highly doubt he was in love as much as he claims. I'm always wary of people who go 180 like that in a heartbeat. Says they're far from trustworthy. If they can flip on you over something so trivial, then wtf are they going to do when shit gets real? Bye Felicia.
Posted by SsupermanYour male privilege is showing.Posted by rockyroadicecreamAnd women don't want it all? Come on Rocky! Women need to be more selfish? Really?! Look at the bashing men take on this forum for being even remotely selfish. Lord forbid a man not bring flowers for someone's birthday. That's guaranteed 10 pages of bashing his ass.Posted by bittercupcakeThis. This is why I get so freaking irritated by posts like these. We are in fucking 2017 and women choose to act like doormats about this stuff. "Oh but I want to show him I care!"
...sorry to say but women have got to be more selfish... men want it all...and if they can get it all...they will... eventually if you do too much... a man who once treated you well...will take you for granted because you no longer offer that challenge you once provided....
Yes, but the second he obviously started running with that, she just kept on letting him take and take and it turned into this monstrosity. You give an inch, they take a mile. This shit has been ingrained in a lot of guys' heads because of society and how it tends to pander to the male entitlement.
It's a major fine line so many women have yet to distinguish. You let his mom mommy the fuck out of him. You're a girlfriend/wife. Not secondary mommy. You make sure what he's doing isn't going to turn into some dogshit. You can still do for others while looking out for self in the process. Women seem to struggle with this concept in most societies.click to expand
Posted by rockyroadicecreamNo, it's not. It's called keeping it real. This forum is flooded with post of it. Not saying it's not valid, but you see it. I know you do.Posted by SsupermanYour male privilege is showing.Posted by rockyroadicecreamAnd women don't want it all? Come on Rocky! Women need to be more selfish? Really?! Look at the bashing men take on this forum for being even remotely selfish. Lord forbid a man not bring flowers for someone's birthday. That's guaranteed 10 pages of bashing his ass.Posted by bittercupcakeThis. This is why I get so freaking irritated by posts like these. We are in fucking 2017 and women choose to act like doormats about this stuff. "Oh but I want to show him I care!"
...sorry to say but women have got to be more selfish... men want it all...and if they can get it all...they will... eventually if you do too much... a man who once treated you well...will take you for granted because you no longer offer that challenge you once provided....
Yes, but the second he obviously started running with that, she just kept on letting him take and take and it turned into this monstrosity. You give an inch, they take a mile. This shit has been ingrained in a lot of guys' heads because of society and how it tends to pander to the male entitlement.
It's a major fine line so many women have yet to distinguish. You let his mom mommy the fuck out of him. You're a girlfriend/wife. Not secondary mommy. You make sure what he's doing isn't going to turn into some dogshit. You can still do for others while looking out for self in the process. Women seem to struggle with this concept in most societies.click to expand
Something else I was reminded of is some things I heard from time to time from my group of guy friends. A couple were telling me about a discussion a bunch of them had one night, and a few of the guys openly admitted that they basically wanted a mommy figure to take care of them. How it would be so nice to have the cooking, laundry, etc done for them all the time. Some were even hell bent on looking for that.
That said, I was reminded of this because this seems to be what the OP's dude was after. She overly accommodated his manchild stuff and now that things didn't go his way, he flipped the hell out.
Overall, ladies, again, this is why boundaries are important. There are guys out there very much not liking adulthood and not wanting to grow up and want a secondary mommy in their girlfriend/wife. Just like there are gold digging chicks who expect to be taken care of all the time because adult life is oh so hard.
Why anyone would want to be in a relationship with people who basically don't want to adult properly is beyond me. Life is difficult enough, why you gotta drag in another person who is going to make your life MORE difficult and not necessarily add to it in the long run? Ditch the captain save a hoe mentality. It benefits only one person in the long haul, not both.
That said, I was reminded of this because this seems to be what the OP's dude was after. She overly accommodated his manchild stuff and now that things didn't go his way, he flipped the hell out.
Overall, ladies, again, this is why boundaries are important. There are guys out there very much not liking adulthood and not wanting to grow up and want a secondary mommy in their girlfriend/wife. Just like there are gold digging chicks who expect to be taken care of all the time because adult life is oh so hard.
Why anyone would want to be in a relationship with people who basically don't want to adult properly is beyond me. Life is difficult enough, why you gotta drag in another person who is going to make your life MORE difficult and not necessarily add to it in the long run? Ditch the captain save a hoe mentality. It benefits only one person in the long haul, not both.
Posted by 2MoonDon't put words into my mouth. I never called them douchbagsPosted by SsupermanWell said.
And this man dosen't know what love is. You can't talk to someone like that if you TRULY love them. You protect the ones you love, not hurt them.
This man is a spoiled brat (like most Aquas are). Aquas do throw a fit when they think someone dosen't care or show they care in a manner in which they see fit. Aquas are also known to be self centered and hypocritical.
Take some time away from him. Let some thinking set in. Let him actually feel his own hurt.
Aquas are douchebags. Like you said it, Very self centered, huge ego, spoiled and stubborn AF!
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Posted by SsupermanNo, it's your ignorance. It comes from being male and just having zero clue about this stuff because you haven't had to face this stuff due to lack of possessing a vagina.Posted by rockyroadicecreamNo, it's not. It's called keeping it real. This forum is flooded with post of it. Not saying it's not valid, but you see it. I know you do.Posted by SsupermanYour male privilege is showing.Posted by rockyroadicecreamAnd women don't want it all? Come on Rocky! Women need to be more selfish? Really?! Look at the bashing men take on this forum for being even remotely selfish. Lord forbid a man not bring flowers for someone's birthday. That's guaranteed 10 pages of bashing his ass.Posted by bittercupcakeThis. This is why I get so freaking irritated by posts like these. We are in fucking 2017 and women choose to act like doormats about this stuff. "Oh but I want to show him I care!"
...sorry to say but women have got to be more selfish... men want it all...and if they can get it all...they will... eventually if you do too much... a man who once treated you well...will take you for granted because you no longer offer that challenge you once provided....
Yes, but the second he obviously started running with that, she just kept on letting him take and take and it turned into this monstrosity. You give an inch, they take a mile. This shit has been ingrained in a lot of guys' heads because of society and how it tends to pander to the male entitlement.
It's a major fine line so many women have yet to distinguish. You let his mom mommy the fuck out of him. You're a girlfriend/wife. Not secondary mommy. You make sure what he's doing isn't going to turn into some dogshit. You can still do for others while looking out for self in the process. Women seem to struggle with this concept in most societies.click to expand
Number one defense and comeback of clueless, privileged males- flipping the argument and deflecting the problem onto women. Not solutions or explanations, but "NUH UH, YOU DO IT TOOO" like a damned 5 year old. If you call that "keeping it real" then lol x8523593.
Posted by rockyroadicecreamWtf. First, you bash the chick for being a doormat then bash me for bashing him. Like I have no right to or something.Posted by SsupermanNo, it's your ignorance. It comes from being male and just having zero clue about this stuff because you haven't had to face this stuff due to lack of possessing a vagina.Posted by rockyroadicecreamNo, it's not. It's called keeping it real. This forum is flooded with post of it. Not saying it's not valid, but you see it. I know you do.Posted by SsupermanYour male privilege is showing.Posted by rockyroadicecreamAnd women don't want it all? Come on Rocky! Women need to be more selfish? Really?! Look at the bashing men take on this forum for being even remotely selfish. Lord forbid a man not bring flowers for someone's birthday. That's guaranteed 10 pages of bashing his ass.Posted by bittercupcakeThis. This is why I get so freaking irritated by posts like these. We are in fucking 2017 and women choose to act like doormats about this stuff. "Oh but I want to show him I care!"
...sorry to say but women have got to be more selfish... men want it all...and if they can get it all...they will... eventually if you do too much... a man who once treated you well...will take you for granted because you no longer offer that challenge you once provided....
Yes, but the second he obviously started running with that, she just kept on letting him take and take and it turned into this monstrosity. You give an inch, they take a mile. This shit has been ingrained in a lot of guys' heads because of society and how it tends to pander to the male entitlement.
It's a major fine line so many women have yet to distinguish. You let his mom mommy the fuck out of him. You're a girlfriend/wife. Not secondary mommy. You make sure what he's doing isn't going to turn into some dogshit. You can still do for others while looking out for self in the process. Women seem to struggle with this concept in most societies.
Number one defense and comeback of clueless, privileged males- flipping the argument and deflecting the problem onto women. Not solutions or explanations, but "NUH UH, YOU DO IT TOOO" like a damned 5 year old. If you call that "keeping it real" then lol x8523593.click to expand
Your opinion isn't absolute. Get off your high horse there ma'am. You know damn good and well that door swings both ways
Posted by -Flo-It's a topic about an aqua man who is acting spoiled and bratty. Is it not?
I like how everyone is arguing on here about the demeanor of aquas.
It's kinda funny.
You what's even funnier, we will still be aquas at the end of the day and some will like us and some won't.
@ssuperman
Thanks for for calling us spoiled and bratty, nice touch. 🙂
I didn't say YOU were that way so don't take it personally.
Posted by -Flo-Just forget it. JeezPosted by SsupermanI am an aqua right?Posted by -Flo-It's a topic about an aqua man who is acting spoiled and bratty. Is it not?
I like how everyone is arguing on here about the demeanor of aquas.
It's kinda funny.
You what's even funnier, we will still be aquas at the end of the day and some will like us and some won't.
@ssuperman
Thanks for for calling us spoiled and bratty, nice touch. 🙂
I didn't say YOU were that way so don't take it personally.click to expand
I quit
Posted by -Flo-I'm out.Posted by Ssuperman
And this man dosen't know what love is. You can't talk to someone like that if you TRULY love them. You protect the ones you love, not hurt them.
This man is a spoiled brat (like most Aquas are). Aquas do throw a fit when they think someone dosen't care or show they care in a manner in which they see fit. Aquas are also known to be self centered and hypocritical.
Take some time away from him. Let some thinking set in. Let him actually feel his own hurt.click to expand
OP, what are your other planets? Can you list them please? (yours and his)
(moon, venus, mercury, mars, and the ascendent)
Aquas are fixed, so he wanted to have your usual time together. Aquas are also very very lazy, so making plans is not a priority
I am very surprised at how he express his love, he must have some watery planets... (and as for the verbal abuse, its not a typical Aqua either)....
so that is why so important to know the other planets, I am really curious
(moon, venus, mercury, mars, and the ascendent)
Aquas are fixed, so he wanted to have your usual time together. Aquas are also very very lazy, so making plans is not a priority
I am very surprised at how he express his love, he must have some watery planets... (and as for the verbal abuse, its not a typical Aqua either)....
so that is why so important to know the other planets, I am really curious
Posted by sultrykittyThere is absolutely nothing practical about what you wrote though. You are taking your 23 year relationship and projecting it here.Posted by bkbella86Not really but you're entitled to your opinion.Posted by sultrykittyYou're one of those people I was referring to. Romantisizing shit and projecting.Posted by bkbella86Nope, reread.Posted by sultrykittyYou suggest her going back to someone who verbally abused her?
If you both feel the way you say you do, maintain distance for a while, months. If I were you, I would be honest with him, but not emotional. Lay out what you love, lay out what you will not tolerate, and cut yourself loose. If he takes what you say to heart, and if he means what he's telling you, he will respect your need for space. He will think about what you said needs to change and if it's worth it to him, he'll change.
You will know if he has, not because he is saying all the right things but because you'll just KNOW. We Leos and Aquas have a special connection and we can read each other's motivations as if it were in plain sight.
If he doesn't change, you'll already be on your way to something better.
No disagreement with the fact he's being a dick, but I know Leos and I know Aquas. And I know how they inter-relate. I have 23 years of experience with one, who can also be a dick at times. And I can be a bitch; the shit cuts both ways.
I didn't suggest she stay with him, and I didn't suggest that how he treated her was OK.
But she's had plenty of "advice" on what an asshole he is and what a pushover she is, so I thought I would actually offer some practical advice that was helpful to me at one time.
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This isn't about Leo's and aquas "special connection". It's about man and woman. He verbally abused her, there should be no more talking. And who cares if he changes? Let that be for the next woman.
Posted by bkbella86Whether it is verbal abuse or a reaction by a very immature and selfish man is up to her to determine.Posted by sultrykittyThere is absolutely nothing practical about what you wrote though. You are taking your 23 year relationship and projecting it here.Posted by bkbella86Not really but you're entitled to your opinion.Posted by sultrykittyYou're one of those people I was referring to. Romantisizing shit and projecting.Posted by bkbella86Nope, reread.Posted by sultrykittyYou suggest her going back to someone who verbally abused her?
If you both feel the way you say you do, maintain distance for a while, months. If I were you, I would be honest with him, but not emotional. Lay out what you love, lay out what you will not tolerate, and cut yourself loose. If he takes what you say to heart, and if he means what he's telling you, he will respect your need for space. He will think about what you said needs to change and if it's worth it to him, he'll change.
You will know if he has, not because he is saying all the right things but because you'll just KNOW. We Leos and Aquas have a special connection and we can read each other's motivations as if it were in plain sight.
If he doesn't change, you'll already be on your way to something better.
No disagreement with the fact he's being a dick, but I know Leos and I know Aquas. And I know how they inter-relate. I have 23 years of experience with one, who can also be a dick at times. And I can be a bitch; the shit cuts both ways.
I didn't suggest she stay with him, and I didn't suggest that how he treated her was OK.
But she's had plenty of "advice" on what an asshole he is and what a pushover she is, so I thought I would actually offer some practical advice that was helpful to me at one time.
This isn't about Leo's and aquas "special connection". It's about man and woman. He verbally abused her, there should be no more talking. And who cares if he changes? Let that be for the next woman.click to expand
I could say that you are also projecting your own feelings onto her and expecting her and everyone else to see it as you do. But I won't because ALL advice draws from personal experience.
I have also witnessed these dynamics in others and...hold on...relationships are saved.
It's totally up to her whether that's worth it, and whether he's willing to change. Both are possibilities.
I'm offering my advice based on my experience and what I have seen work for others. Notice that I'm not condemning any other viewpoint, and I in fact agree with many of the statements made here.
Posted by sultrykittyThis isn't my opinion yours is. Do you need me to link the definition of verbal abuse here? That's not up for debate, it's factual and that is what he did.Posted by bkbella86Whether it is verbal abuse or a reaction by a very immature and selfish man is up to her to determine.Posted by sultrykittyThere is absolutely nothing practical about what you wrote though. You are taking your 23 year relationship and projecting it here.Posted by bkbella86Not really but you're entitled to your opinion.Posted by sultrykittyYou're one of those people I was referring to. Romantisizing shit and projecting.Posted by bkbella86Nope, reread.Posted by sultrykittyYou suggest her going back to someone who verbally abused her?
If you both feel the way you say you do, maintain distance for a while, months. If I were you, I would be honest with him, but not emotional. Lay out what you love, lay out what you will not tolerate, and cut yourself loose. If he takes what you say to heart, and if he means what he's telling you, he will respect your need for space. He will think about what you said needs to change and if it's worth it to him, he'll change.
You will know if he has, not because he is saying all the right things but because you'll just KNOW. We Leos and Aquas have a special connection and we can read each other's motivations as if it were in plain sight.
If he doesn't change, you'll already be on your way to something better.
No disagreement with the fact he's being a dick, but I know Leos and I know Aquas. And I know how they inter-relate. I have 23 years of experience with one, who can also be a dick at times. And I can be a bitch; the shit cuts both ways.
I didn't suggest she stay with him, and I didn't suggest that how he treated her was OK.
But she's had plenty of "advice" on what an asshole he is and what a pushover she is, so I thought I would actually offer some practical advice that was helpful to me at one time.
This isn't about Leo's and aquas "special connection". It's about man and woman. He verbally abused her, there should be no more talking. And who cares if he changes? Let that be for the next woman.
I could say that you are also projecting your own feelings onto her and expecting her and everyone else to see it as you do. But I won't because ALL advice draws from personal experience.
I have also witnessed these dynamics in others and...hold on...relationships are saved.
It's totally up to her whether that's worth it, and whether he's willing to change. Both are possibilities.
I'm offering my advice based on my experience and what I have seen work for others. Notice that I'm nit condemning any other viewpoint, and I in fact agree with many of the statements made here.
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Just because you may have tolerated it doesn't mean it's right.
Posted by sultrykittyIf this were your daughter or mother would you advise her the same?Posted by bkbella86Whether it is verbal abuse or a reaction by a very immature and selfish man is up to her to determine.Posted by sultrykittyThere is absolutely nothing practical about what you wrote though. You are taking your 23 year relationship and projecting it here.Posted by bkbella86Not really but you're entitled to your opinion.Posted by sultrykittyYou're one of those people I was referring to. Romantisizing shit and projecting.Posted by bkbella86Nope, reread.Posted by sultrykittyYou suggest her going back to someone who verbally abused her?
If you both feel the way you say you do, maintain distance for a while, months. If I were you, I would be honest with him, but not emotional. Lay out what you love, lay out what you will not tolerate, and cut yourself loose. If he takes what you say to heart, and if he means what he's telling you, he will respect your need for space. He will think about what you said needs to change and if it's worth it to him, he'll change.
You will know if he has, not because he is saying all the right things but because you'll just KNOW. We Leos and Aquas have a special connection and we can read each other's motivations as if it were in plain sight.
If he doesn't change, you'll already be on your way to something better.
No disagreement with the fact he's being a dick, but I know Leos and I know Aquas. And I know how they inter-relate. I have 23 years of experience with one, who can also be a dick at times. And I can be a bitch; the shit cuts both ways.
I didn't suggest she stay with him, and I didn't suggest that how he treated her was OK.
But she's had plenty of "advice" on what an asshole he is and what a pushover she is, so I thought I would actually offer some practical advice that was helpful to me at one time.
This isn't about Leo's and aquas "special connection". It's about man and woman. He verbally abused her, there should be no more talking. And who cares if he changes? Let that be for the next woman.
I could say that you are also projecting your own feelings onto her and expecting her and everyone else to see it as you do. But I won't because ALL advice draws from personal experience.
I have also witnessed these dynamics in others and...hold on...relationships are saved.
It's totally up to her whether that's worth it, and whether he's willing to change. Both are possibilities.
I'm offering my advice based on my experience and what I have seen work for others. Notice that I'm not condemning any other viewpoint, and I in fact agree with many of the statements made here.
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Posted by bkbella86If it were my mother or daughter, I would have a better idea of what the relationship actually looks like irl, not from a single post on the interwebz.Posted by sultrykittyIf this were your daughter or mother would you advise her the same?Posted by bkbella86Whether it is verbal abuse or a reaction by a very immature and selfish man is up to her to determine.Posted by sultrykittyThere is absolutely nothing practical about what you wrote though. You are taking your 23 year relationship and projecting it here.Posted by bkbella86Not really but you're entitled to your opinion.Posted by sultrykittyYou're one of those people I was referring to. Romantisizing shit and projecting.Posted by bkbella86Nope, reread.Posted by sultrykittyYou suggest her going back to someone who verbally abused her?
If you both feel the way you say you do, maintain distance for a while, months. If I were you, I would be honest with him, but not emotional. Lay out what you love, lay out what you will not tolerate, and cut yourself loose. If he takes what you say to heart, and if he means what he's telling you, he will respect your need for space. He will think about what you said needs to change and if it's worth it to him, he'll change.
You will know if he has, not because he is saying all the right things but because you'll just KNOW. We Leos and Aquas have a special connection and we can read each other's motivations as if it were in plain sight.
If he doesn't change, you'll already be on your way to something better.
No disagreement with the fact he's being a dick, but I know Leos and I know Aquas. And I know how they inter-relate. I have 23 years of experience with one, who can also be a dick at times. And I can be a bitch; the shit cuts both ways.
I didn't suggest she stay with him, and I didn't suggest that how he treated her was OK.
But she's had plenty of "advice" on what an asshole he is and what a pushover she is, so I thought I would actually offer some practical advice that was helpful to me at one time.
This isn't about Leo's and aquas "special connection". It's about man and woman. He verbally abused her, there should be no more talking. And who cares if he changes? Let that be for the next woman.
I could say that you are also projecting your own feelings onto her and expecting her and everyone else to see it as you do. But I won't because ALL advice draws from personal experience.
I have also witnessed these dynamics in others and...hold on...relationships are saved.
It's totally up to her whether that's worth it, and whether he's willing to change. Both are possibilities.
I'm offering my advice based on my experience and what I have seen work for others. Notice that I'm not condemning any other viewpoint, and I in fact agree with many of the statements made here.
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Posted by sultrykittyThe relationship details don't matter tho. Based on what he said to her and how he tried to manipulate her from her daughter would you suggest the same you suggested to OP?Posted by bkbella86If it were my mother or daughter, I would have a better idea of what the relationship actually looks like irl, not from a single post on the interwebz.Posted by sultrykittyIf this were your daughter or mother would you advise her the same?Posted by bkbella86Whether it is verbal abuse or a reaction by a very immature and selfish man is up to her to determine.Posted by sultrykittyThere is absolutely nothing practical about what you wrote though. You are taking your 23 year relationship and projecting it here.Posted by bkbella86Not really but you're entitled to your opinion.Posted by sultrykittyYou're one of those people I was referring to. Romantisizing shit and projecting.Posted by bkbella86Nope, reread.Posted by sultrykittyYou suggest her going back to someone who verbally abused her?
If you both feel the way you say you do, maintain distance for a while, months. If I were you, I would be honest with him, but not emotional. Lay out what you love, lay out what you will not tolerate, and cut yourself loose. If he takes what you say to heart, and if he means what he's telling you, he will respect your need for space. He will think about what you said needs to change and if it's worth it to him, he'll change.
You will know if he has, not because he is saying all the right things but because you'll just KNOW. We Leos and Aquas have a special connection and we can read each other's motivations as if it were in plain sight.
If he doesn't change, you'll already be on your way to something better.
No disagreement with the fact he's being a dick, but I know Leos and I know Aquas. And I know how they inter-relate. I have 23 years of experience with one, who can also be a dick at times. And I can be a bitch; the shit cuts both ways.
I didn't suggest she stay with him, and I didn't suggest that how he treated her was OK.
But she's had plenty of "advice" on what an asshole he is and what a pushover she is, so I thought I would actually offer some practical advice that was helpful to me at one time.
This isn't about Leo's and aquas "special connection". It's about man and woman. He verbally abused her, there should be no more talking. And who cares if he changes? Let that be for the next woman.
I could say that you are also projecting your own feelings onto her and expecting her and everyone else to see it as you do. But I won't because ALL advice draws from personal experience.
I have also witnessed these dynamics in others and...hold on...relationships are saved.
It's totally up to her whether that's worth it, and whether he's willing to change. Both are possibilities.
I'm offering my advice based on my experience and what I have seen work for others. Notice that I'm not condemning any other viewpoint, and I in fact agree with many of the statements made here.
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That is all that matters. You're looking for things to justify staying tho, so of course you will need more "details"
Posted by bkbella86JfcPosted by sultrykittyThe relationship details don't matter tho. Based on what he said to her and how he tried to manipulate her from her daughter would you suggest the same you suggested to OP?Posted by bkbella86If it were my mother or daughter, I would have a better idea of what the relationship actually looks like irl, not from a single post on the interwebz.Posted by sultrykittyIf this were your daughter or mother would you advise her the same?Posted by bkbella86Whether it is verbal abuse or a reaction by a very immature and selfish man is up to her to determine.Posted by sultrykittyThere is absolutely nothing practical about what you wrote though. You are taking your 23 year relationship and projecting it here.Posted by bkbella86Not really but you're entitled to your opinion.Posted by sultrykittyYou're one of those people I was referring to. Romantisizing shit and projecting.Posted by bkbella86Nope, reread.Posted by sultrykittyYou suggest her going back to someone who verbally abused her?
If you both feel the way you say you do, maintain distance for a while, months. If I were you, I would be honest with him, but not emotional. Lay out what you love, lay out what you will not tolerate, and cut yourself loose. If he takes what you say to heart, and if he means what he's telling you, he will respect your need for space. He will think about what you said needs to change and if it's worth it to him, he'll change.
You will know if he has, not because he is saying all the right things but because you'll just KNOW. We Leos and Aquas have a special connection and we can read each other's motivations as if it were in plain sight.
If he doesn't change, you'll already be on your way to something better.
No disagreement with the fact he's being a dick, but I know Leos and I know Aquas. And I know how they inter-relate. I have 23 years of experience with one, who can also be a dick at times. And I can be a bitch; the shit cuts both ways.
I didn't suggest she stay with him, and I didn't suggest that how he treated her was OK.
But she's had plenty of "advice" on what an asshole he is and what a pushover she is, so I thought I would actually offer some practical advice that was helpful to me at one time.
This isn't about Leo's and aquas "special connection". It's about man and woman. He verbally abused her, there should be no more talking. And who cares if he changes? Let that be for the next woman.
I could say that you are also projecting your own feelings onto her and expecting her and everyone else to see it as you do. But I won't because ALL advice draws from personal experience.
I have also witnessed these dynamics in others and...hold on...relationships are saved.
It's totally up to her whether that's worth it, and whether he's willing to change. Both are possibilities.
I'm offering my advice based on my experience and what I have seen work for others. Notice that I'm not condemning any other viewpoint, and I in fact agree with many of the statements made here.
That is all that matters. You're looking for things to justify staying tho, so of course you will need more "details"
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What I suggested is that IF he really feels the way he claims (and she does as well), then she needs to tell him what she won't tolerate ans WALK AWAY.
Exactly what part of that advice is your issue?
Again, IF he feels the way he claims, he will respect that and if he wants to be with her, he will CHANGE. If NOT, she stays gone.
Re-read my post amd tell me where I ever said she should stay in an abusive relationship?
There IS a connection between the two signs (when there is a relationship) that can't be argued, and I have had that corroborated several times. That you don't agree isn't my problem.
Posted by sultrykittyThere's a lot of connections amongst the zodiac. But that doesn't trump abuse. Take astrology out of it for a min and look at that way.Posted by bkbella86JfcPosted by sultrykittyThe relationship details don't matter tho. Based on what he said to her and how he tried to manipulate her from her daughter would you suggest the same you suggested to OP?Posted by bkbella86If it were my mother or daughter, I would have a better idea of what the relationship actually looks like irl, not from a single post on the interwebz.Posted by sultrykittyIf this were your daughter or mother would you advise her the same?Posted by bkbella86Whether it is verbal abuse or a reaction by a very immature and selfish man is up to her to determine.Posted by sultrykittyThere is absolutely nothing practical about what you wrote though. You are taking your 23 year relationship and projecting it here.Posted by bkbella86Not really but you're entitled to your opinion.Posted by sultrykittyYou're one of those people I was referring to. Romantisizing shit and projecting.Posted by bkbella86Nope, reread.Posted by sultrykittyYou suggest her going back to someone who verbally abused her?
If you both feel the way you say you do, maintain distance for a while, months. If I were you, I would be honest with him, but not emotional. Lay out what you love, lay out what you will not tolerate, and cut yourself loose. If he takes what you say to heart, and if he means what he's telling you, he will respect your need for space. He will think about what you said needs to change and if it's worth it to him, he'll change.
You will know if he has, not because he is saying all the right things but because you'll just KNOW. We Leos and Aquas have a special connection and we can read each other's motivations as if it were in plain sight.
If he doesn't change, you'll already be on your way to something better.
No disagreement with the fact he's being a dick, but I know Leos and I know Aquas. And I know how they inter-relate. I have 23 years of experience with one, who can also be a dick at times. And I can be a bitch; the shit cuts both ways.
I didn't suggest she stay with him, and I didn't suggest that how he treated her was OK.
But she's had plenty of "advice" on what an asshole he is and what a pushover she is, so I thought I would actually offer some practical advice that was helpful to me at one time.
This isn't about Leo's and aquas "special connection". It's about man and woman. He verbally abused her, there should be no more talking. And who cares if he changes? Let that be for the next woman.
I could say that you are also projecting your own feelings onto her and expecting her and everyone else to see it as you do. But I won't because ALL advice draws from personal experience.
I have also witnessed these dynamics in others and...hold on...relationships are saved.
It's totally up to her whether that's worth it, and whether he's willing to change. Both are possibilities.
I'm offering my advice based on my experience and what I have seen work for others. Notice that I'm not condemning any other viewpoint, and I in fact agree with many of the statements made here.
That is all that matters. You're looking for things to justify staying tho, so of course you will need more "details"
What I suggested is that IF he really feels the way he claims (and she does as well), then she needs to yell him what she won't tolerate ans WALK AWAY.
Exactly what part of that advice is your issue?
Again, IF he feels the way he claims, he will respect that and if he wants to be with her, he will CHANGE. If NOT, she stays gone.
Re-read my post amd tell me where I ever said she should stay in an abusive relationship?
There IS a connection between the two signs (when there is a relationship) that can't be argued, and I have had that corroborated several times. That you don't agree isn't my problem.
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Posted by bkbella86Posted by sultrykittyThere's a lot of connections amongst the zodiac. But that doesn't trump abuse. Take astrology out of it for a min and look at that way.Posted by bkbella86JfcPosted by sultrykittyThe relationship details don't matter tho. Based on what he said to her and how he tried to manipulate her from her daughter would you suggest the same you suggested to OP?Posted by bkbella86If it were my mother or daughter, I would have a better idea of what the relationship actually looks like irl, not from a single post on the interwebz.Posted by sultrykittyIf this were your daughter or mother would you advise her the same?Posted by bkbella86Whether it is verbal abuse or a reaction by a very immature and selfish man is up to her to determine.Posted by sultrykittyThere is absolutely nothing practical about what you wrote though. You are taking your 23 year relationship and projecting it here.Posted by bkbella86Not really but you're entitled to your opinion.Posted by sultrykittyYou're one of those people I was referring to. Romantisizing shit and projecting.Posted by bkbella86Nope, reread.Posted by sultrykittyYou suggest her going back to someone who verbally abused her?
If you both feel the way you say you do, maintain distance for a while, months. If I were you, I would be honest with him, but not emotional. Lay out what you love, lay out what you will not tolerate, and cut yourself loose. If he takes what you say to heart, and if he means what he's telling you, he will respect your need for space. He will think about what you said needs to change and if it's worth it to him, he'll change.
You will know if he has, not because he is saying all the right things but because you'll just KNOW. We Leos and Aquas have a special connection and we can read each other's motivations as if it were in plain sight.
If he doesn't change, you'll already be on your way to something better.
No disagreement with the fact he's being a dick, but I know Leos and I know Aquas. And I know how they inter-relate. I have 23 years of experience with one, who can also be a dick at times. And I can be a bitch; the shit cuts both ways.
I didn't suggest she stay with him, and I didn't suggest that how he treated her was OK.
But she's had plenty of "advice" on what an asshole he is and what a pushover she is, so I thought I would actually offer some practical advice that was helpful to me at one time.
This isn't about Leo's and aquas "special connection". It's about man and woman. He verbally abused her, there should be no more talking. And who cares if he changes? Let that be for the next woman.
I could say that you are also projecting your own feelings onto her and expecting her and everyone else to see it as you do. But I won't because ALL advice draws from personal experience.
I have also witnessed these dynamics in others and...hold on...relationships are saved.
It's totally up to her whether that's worth it, and whether he's willing to change. Both are possibilities.
I'm offering my advice based on my experience and what I have seen work for others. Notice that I'm not condemning any other viewpoint, and I in fact agree with many of the statements made here.
That is all that matters. You're looking for things to justify staying tho, so of course you will need more "details"
What I suggested is that IF he really feels the way he claims (and she does as well), then she needs to yell him what she won't tolerate ans WALK AWAY.
Exactly what part of that advice is your issue?
Again, IF he feels the way he claims, he will respect that and if he wants to be with her, he will CHANGE. If NOT, she stays gone.
Re-read my post amd tell me where I ever said she should stay in an abusive relationship?
There IS a connection between the two signs (when there is a relationship) that can't be argued, and I have had that corroborated several times. That you don't agree isn't my problem.
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One instance =/= abuse. Do I think she's being walked over? Yes. Does she need to get a backbone? Yes. Is he being a dick? Yes.
Is that reason to walk (permanently) from a year long relationship that both claim to want? I don’t know. Thing is, neither do you.
Posted by sultrykittyIt doesn't matter if it's one or ten times. Abuse is abuse. The reason abusers are empowered is from thinking like that. The goal is to not let it escalate any further than the first time. Verbal abuse is the gateway drug to physical abuse. So yes the first time is the right time to make an exit.Posted by bkbella86Posted by sultrykittyThere's a lot of connections amongst the zodiac. But that doesn't trump abuse. Take astrology out of it for a min and look at that way.Posted by bkbella86JfcPosted by sultrykittyThe relationship details don't matter tho. Based on what he said to her and how he tried to manipulate her from her daughter would you suggest the same you suggested to OP?Posted by bkbella86If it were my mother or daughter, I would have a better idea of what the relationship actually looks like irl, not from a single post on the interwebz.Posted by sultrykittyIf this were your daughter or mother would you advise her the same?Posted by bkbella86Whether it is verbal abuse or a reaction by a very immature and selfish man is up to her to determine.Posted by sultrykittyThere is absolutely nothing practical about what you wrote though. You are taking your 23 year relationship and projecting it here.Posted by bkbella86Not really but you're entitled to your opinion.Posted by sultrykittyYou're one of those people I was referring to. Romantisizing shit and projecting.Posted by bkbella86Nope, reread.Posted by sultrykittyYou suggest her going back to someone who verbally abused her?
If you both feel the way you say you do, maintain distance for a while, months. If I were you, I would be honest with him, but not emotional. Lay out what you love, lay out what you will not tolerate, and cut yourself loose. If he takes what you say to heart, and if he means what he's telling you, he will respect your need for space. He will think about what you said needs to change and if it's worth it to him, he'll change.
You will know if he has, not because he is saying all the right things but because you'll just KNOW. We Leos and Aquas have a special connection and we can read each other's motivations as if it were in plain sight.
If he doesn't change, you'll already be on your way to something better.
No disagreement with the fact he's being a dick, but I know Leos and I know Aquas. And I know how they inter-relate. I have 23 years of experience with one, who can also be a dick at times. And I can be a bitch; the shit cuts both ways.
I didn't suggest she stay with him, and I didn't suggest that how he treated her was OK.
But she's had plenty of "advice" on what an asshole he is and what a pushover she is, so I thought I would actually offer some practical advice that was helpful to me at one time.
This isn't about Leo's and aquas "special connection". It's about man and woman. He verbally abused her, there should be no more talking. And who cares if he changes? Let that be for the next woman.
I could say that you are also projecting your own feelings onto her and expecting her and everyone else to see it as you do. But I won't because ALL advice draws from personal experience.
I have also witnessed these dynamics in others and...hold on...relationships are saved.
It's totally up to her whether that's worth it, and whether he's willing to change. Both are possibilities.
I'm offering my advice based on my experience and what I have seen work for others. Notice that I'm not condemning any other viewpoint, and I in fact agree with many of the statements made here.
That is all that matters. You're looking for things to justify staying tho, so of course you will need more "details"
What I suggested is that IF he really feels the way he claims (and she does as well), then she needs to yell him what she won't tolerate ans WALK AWAY.
Exactly what part of that advice is your issue?
Again, IF he feels the way he claims, he will respect that and if he wants to be with her, he will CHANGE. If NOT, she stays gone.
Re-read my post amd tell me where I ever said she should stay in an abusive relationship?
There IS a connection between the two signs (when there is a relationship) that can't be argued, and I have had that corroborated several times. That you don't agree isn't my problem.
One instance =/= abuse. Do I think she's being walked over? Yes. Does she need to get a backbone? Yes. Is he being a dick? Yes.
Is that reason to walk from a year long relationship theat both claim to want? I don’t know. Thing is, neither do you.
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There are men who would never talk to their lady that way. She deserves that.
And yes I do know any woman being abused should exit stage left ASAP. You think the abuse is worth it for this imaginary connection. That couldn't even withstand a change of plans. That's some "connection"
The problem here Sultry is that you don't know what abuse is, so this convo is going over your head. OP said he made her feel the lowest she'd felt in life. That's nothing to play with or go back to.
Posted by bkbella86And if you do, tell me who's projecting?
The problem here Sultry is that you don't know what abuse is, so this convo is going over your head. OP said he made her feel the lowest she'd felt in life. That's nothing to play with or go back to.
"You think the abuse is worth it for this imaginary connection. That couldn't even withstand a change of plans. That's some "connection"
Please don't put words in my mouth. Your reading comprehension is abysmal. And your projection is showing, you might want to have a look at that.
Posted by sultrykittyWhy are you upset? I hit a nerve huh. I understand.Posted by bkbella86And if you do, tell me who's projecting?
The problem here Sultry is that you don't know what abuse is, so this convo is going over your head. OP said he made her feel the lowest she'd felt in life. That's nothing to play with or go back to.
"You think the abuse is worth it for this imaginary connection. That couldn't even withstand a change of plans. That's some "connection"
Please don't put words in my mouth. Your reading comprehension is abysmal. And your projection is showing, you might want to have a look at that.
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Posted by sultrykittyI'm reiterating what you have been saying that's all. Don't be mad.Posted by bkbella86And if you do, tell me who's projecting?
The problem here Sultry is that you don't know what abuse is, so this convo is going over your head. OP said he made her feel the lowest she'd felt in life. That's nothing to play with or go back to.
"You think the abuse is worth it for this imaginary connection. That couldn't even withstand a change of plans. That's some "connection"
Please don't put words in my mouth. Your reading comprehension is abysmal. And your projection is showing, you might want to have a look at that.
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Posted by Pandora101Him: AQUA SUN. PISCES MOON. CAPRICORN MURCURY. GEMINI MARS. ARIES ASC.
OP, what are your other planets? Can you list them please? (yours and his)
(moon, venus, mercury, mars, and the ascendent)
Aquas are fixed, so he wanted to have your usual time together. Aquas are also very very lazy, so making plans is not a priority
I am very surprised at how he express his love, he must have some watery planets... (and as for the verbal abuse, its not a typical Aqua either)....
so that is why so important to know the other planets, I am really curious
ME
LEO SUN. VIRGO MOON. LEO MURCURY. VIRGO VENUS. TAURUS MARS. LIBRA ASC.
Posted by bkbella86I haven't seen anywhere where she's actually insinuated that she should stay. What she is saying (that I can see) is that it COULD POSSIBLY be salvaged. As in not just throwing something away because of one incident.Posted by sultrykittyI'm reiterating what you have been saying that's all. Don't be mad.Posted by bkbella86And if you do, tell me who's projecting?
The problem here Sultry is that you don't know what abuse is, so this convo is going over your head. OP said he made her feel the lowest she'd felt in life. That's nothing to play with or go back to.
"You think the abuse is worth it for this imaginary connection. That couldn't even withstand a change of plans. That's some "connection"
Please don't put words in my mouth. Your reading comprehension is abysmal. And your projection is showing, you might want to have a look at that.
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Posted by LazyKOh palleze! Shut up would you moron—
You should have held on to him tight. I bet deep down it was all worth it. There's nothing in this world like an Aquarius. So deep so passionate so caring
Posted by Ladi1975Aqua sun - Leo sun = compatible. Aries asc - libra asc = compatible. I was sure he has some water, emotions are ruled by Moon, and its a pisces.... on the other hand, you dont have any water in your personal planets, so his emotions are maybe sometimes not understood.... frankly, I thought he has a scorpio moon, it would explain the verbal abuse, but for all water moons, sometimes it has to get out...Posted by Pandora101Him: AQUA SUN. PISCES MOON. CAPRICORN MURCURY. GEMINI MARS. ARIES ASC.
OP, what are your other planets? Can you list them please? (yours and his)
(moon, venus, mercury, mars, and the ascendent)
Aquas are fixed, so he wanted to have your usual time together. Aquas are also very very lazy, so making plans is not a priority
I am very surprised at how he express his love, he must have some watery planets... (and as for the verbal abuse, its not a typical Aqua either)....
so that is why so important to know the other planets, I am really curious
ME
LEO SUN. VIRGO MOON. LEO MURCURY. VIRGO VENUS. TAURUS MARS. LIBRA ASC.
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I am not really familiar with virgos, moon and venus is quite important in a relationships, so maybe you are sometimes too critical of him yourself and you just dont realise? pisces moon is very sensitive (well, any water moon or venus is) and especially the pisces moon is always the victim, they feel everything like a personal insult...
fortunately, you two are both fixed sun signs, so it can be worked out...
and who is to tell, what is an ideal relationship? the OP is not a doormat, doing things is normal for her, and her aqua is quite clinging to her...
just calm down for now, assess the situation, I can see you were really pissed off, when you wrote your original post, so its no wonder everybody reacted, how they reacted...
now just think and let it process.... what will be your verdict, it remains to be seen🙂 just calm down for now
It looks to me that he operated within the established parameters that you set as acceptable.
You are the director of your life, and it doesn't look like you had any qualms with him until this incident.
I find it ignorant of you that you were so oblivious that you were so oblivious of him that you had no clue how he reacts/responds when ticked off.
Just in you saying, "his highness" indicates how arrogant you are.
I'd love to hear his side of this inflated story ... I'd wager most people in here would hide their posts once they realized that you're at fault for setting those conditions in which he was operating.
Posted by sultrykittyDo you think he is not going to do it next time she will have to do something he doesn't want her to do?Posted by bkbella86Posted by sultrykittyThere's a lot of connections amongst the zodiac. But that doesn't trump abuse. Take astrology out of it for a min and look at that way.Posted by bkbella86JfcPosted by sultrykittyThe relationship details don't matter tho. Based on what he said to her and how he tried to manipulate her from her daughter would you suggest the same you suggested to OP?Posted by bkbella86If it were my mother or daughter, I would have a better idea of what the relationship actually looks like irl, not from a single post on the interwebz.Posted by sultrykittyIf this were your daughter or mother would you advise her the same?Posted by bkbella86Whether it is verbal abuse or a reaction by a very immature and selfish man is up to her to determine.Posted by sultrykittyThere is absolutely nothing practical about what you wrote though. You are taking your 23 year relationship and projecting it here.Posted by bkbella86Not really but you're entitled to your opinion.Posted by sultrykittyYou're one of those people I was referring to. Romantisizing shit and projecting.Posted by bkbella86Nope, reread.Posted by sultrykittyYou suggest her going back to someone who verbally abused her?
If you both feel the way you say you do, maintain distance for a while, months. If I were you, I would be honest with him, but not emotional. Lay out what you love, lay out what you will not tolerate, and cut yourself loose. If he takes what you say to heart, and if he means what he's telling you, he will respect your need for space. He will think about what you said needs to change and if it's worth it to him, he'll change.
You will know if he has, not because he is saying all the right things but because you'll just KNOW. We Leos and Aquas have a special connection and we can read each other's motivations as if it were in plain sight.
If he doesn't change, you'll already be on your way to something better.
No disagreement with the fact he's being a dick, but I know Leos and I know Aquas. And I know how they inter-relate. I have 23 years of experience with one, who can also be a dick at times. And I can be a bitch; the shit cuts both ways.
I didn't suggest she stay with him, and I didn't suggest that how he treated her was OK.
But she's had plenty of "advice" on what an asshole he is and what a pushover she is, so I thought I would actually offer some practical advice that was helpful to me at one time.
This isn't about Leo's and aquas "special connection". It's about man and woman. He verbally abused her, there should be no more talking. And who cares if he changes? Let that be for the next woman.
I could say that you are also projecting your own feelings onto her and expecting her and everyone else to see it as you do. But I won't because ALL advice draws from personal experience.
I have also witnessed these dynamics in others and...hold on...relationships are saved.
It's totally up to her whether that's worth it, and whether he's willing to change. Both are possibilities.
I'm offering my advice based on my experience and what I have seen work for others. Notice that I'm not condemning any other viewpoint, and I in fact agree with many of the statements made here.
That is all that matters. You're looking for things to justify staying tho, so of course you will need more "details"
What I suggested is that IF he really feels the way he claims (and she does as well), then she needs to yell him what she won't tolerate ans WALK AWAY.
Exactly what part of that advice is your issue?
Again, IF he feels the way he claims, he will respect that and if he wants to be with her, he will CHANGE. If NOT, she stays gone.
Re-read my post amd tell me where I ever said she should stay in an abusive relationship?
There IS a connection between the two signs (when there is a relationship) that can't be argued, and I have had that corroborated several times. That you don't agree isn't my problem.
One instance =/= abuse. Do I think she's being walked over? Yes. Does she need to get a backbone? Yes. Is he being a dick? Yes.
Is that reason to walk (permanently) from a year long relationship that both claim to want? I don’t know. Thing is, neither do you.
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He said he was hurt so much!
Really— Change of plans for a grown up man resulted such an abusive behavior?
He is sick selfish bastard and it's not going to get any better! God forbid she will have to do something with her grandchildren - he will hang himself!!!
And I don't really trust men who crying!
If it's a moment of something serious - one thing.
If he emails her that he is crying...weak piece of shit! Feel sorry for me, I am crying...
Posted by bkbella86Well I dislike talking to rigid people. It's an incessant circle jerk. Especially ones who insist on responding to points that I don't actually make.Posted by sultrykittyWhy are you upset? I hit a nerve huh. I understand.Posted by bkbella86And if you do, tell me who's projecting?
The problem here Sultry is that you don't know what abuse is, so this convo is going over your head. OP said he made her feel the lowest she'd felt in life. That's nothing to play with or go back to.
"You think the abuse is worth it for this imaginary connection. That couldn't even withstand a change of plans. That's some "connection"
Please don't put words in my mouth. Your reading comprehension is abysmal. And your projection is showing, you might want to have a look at that.
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Posted by P-AngelYep! Woman who is hurt still has some sense of humor left in her - let's beat her up with 'sympathy' like that!!!
It looks to me that he operated within the established parameters that you set as acceptable.
You are the director of your life, and it doesn't look like you had any qualms with him until this incident.
I find it ignorant of you that you were so oblivious that you were so oblivious of him that you had no clue how he reacts/responds when ticked off.
Just in you saying, "his highness" indicates how arrogant you are.
I'd love to hear his side of this inflated story ... I'd wager most people in here would hide their posts once they realized that you're at fault for setting those conditions in which he was operating.
P-Angel...are you made of clay?
OP, and an afterthought:
if he is trying to be a better person, its a big deal.... maybe sometimes he feels, you dont appreciate it enough, and you feel he is not appreciate enough your caring...
your earth moon and venus versus water moon and... what is his venus sign? you forgot to list it
if he is trying to be a better person, its a big deal.... maybe sometimes he feels, you dont appreciate it enough, and you feel he is not appreciate enough your caring...
your earth moon and venus versus water moon and... what is his venus sign? you forgot to list it
Posted by P-AngelJust because someone yells "shoot me" dosen't mean ya gotta shoot em P
It looks to me that he operated within the established parameters that you set as acceptable.
You are the director of your life, and it doesn't look like you had any qualms with him until this incident.
I find it ignorant of you that you were so oblivious that you were so oblivious of him that you had no clue how he reacts/responds when ticked off.
Just in you saying, "his highness" indicates how arrogant you are.
I'd love to hear his side of this inflated story ... I'd wager most people in here would hide their posts once they realized that you're at fault for setting those conditions in which he was operating.
Posted by SsupermanThat is the same no? Why would you salvage anything with an abuser?Posted by bkbella86I haven't seen anywhere where she's actually insinuated that she should stay. What she is saying (that I can see) is that it COULD POSSIBLY be salvaged. As in not just throwing something away because of one incident.Posted by sultrykittyI'm reiterating what you have been saying that's all. Don't be mad.Posted by bkbella86And if you do, tell me who's projecting?
The problem here Sultry is that you don't know what abuse is, so this convo is going over your head. OP said he made her feel the lowest she'd felt in life. That's nothing to play with or go back to.
"You think the abuse is worth it for this imaginary connection. That couldn't even withstand a change of plans. That's some "connection"
Please don't put words in my mouth. Your reading comprehension is abysmal. And your projection is showing, you might want to have a look at that.
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Posted by bkbella86I don't know if I'd actually call him an abuser at this point. What I do think happened was he got spoiled, felt entitled and threw a fit to try and get his way. He felt robbed of his precious time. I also think he was testing her boundaries.Posted by SsupermanThat is the same no? Why would you salvage anything with an abuser?Posted by bkbella86I haven't seen anywhere where she's actually insinuated that she should stay. What she is saying (that I can see) is that it COULD POSSIBLY be salvaged. As in not just throwing something away because of one incident.Posted by sultrykittyI'm reiterating what you have been saying that's all. Don't be mad.Posted by bkbella86And if you do, tell me who's projecting?
The problem here Sultry is that you don't know what abuse is, so this convo is going over your head. OP said he made her feel the lowest she'd felt in life. That's nothing to play with or go back to.
"You think the abuse is worth it for this imaginary connection. That couldn't even withstand a change of plans. That's some "connection"
Please don't put words in my mouth. Your reading comprehension is abysmal. And your projection is showing, you might want to have a look at that.
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Posted by SsupermanPosted by P-AngelJust because someone yells "shoot me" dosen't mean ya gotta shoot em P
It looks to me that he operated within the established parameters that you set as acceptable.
You are the director of your life, and it doesn't look like you had any qualms with him until this incident.
I find it ignorant of you that you were so oblivious that you were so oblivious of him that you had no clue how he reacts/responds when ticked off.
Just in you saying, "his highness" indicates how arrogant you are.
I'd love to hear his side of this inflated story ... I'd wager most people in here would hide their posts once they realized that you're at fault for setting those conditions in which he was operating.click to expand
I have no clue what you mean by that.
she is responsible for how she taught him to treat her. If you think this is the first time she has come across this trait in him then you're very gullible and naïve.
You don't spend that much time with someone, being their mother and wiping their asses inbetween wash loads and not have experienced all of their traits, attitudes and views.
The mere fact that she's been through this before with him and forgave speaks volumes about who is at fault here.
Someone has to speak the truth ..... everyone else just wants to attack his character even though he isn't even here to speak for himself, and the only info they have is her jaded and pissed bitterness.
I can't believe people are in here making judgments on a person's character when they haven't even heard his truth.
How bizarre you people are. It's her responsibility to set the boundaries of what is acceptable to her. I mean doesn't anyone besides me even realize how many times she's made excuses for him in here? And for the mere fact that she's even in here giving it her attention and consideration is a clear indication that she's not wanting to be without him .. she's just wants to be validated.
I mean .... are you all really this stupid? .. and believe this post is about dropping an asshole out of her life?
rflmao
Posted by P-Angel
It looks to me that he operated within the established parameters that you set as acceptable.
You are the director of your life, and it doesn't look like you had any qualms with him until this incident.
I find it ignorant of you that you were so oblivious that you were so oblivious of him that you had no clue how he reacts/responds when ticked off.
Just in you saying, "his highness" indicates how arrogant you are.
I'd love to hear his side of this inflated story ... I'd wager most people in here would hide their posts once they realized that you're at fault for setting those conditions in which he was operating.
Yes I was mad and upset when I wrote this so that is where the his highness came from. That phrase had been used to describe him by his boss and a co worker I thought it was appropriate. As for me being critical. He would tell you himself that I am the only person in his life who has never passed judgement on him or put him down. I've always been his cheerleader and confidant. As for setting conditions he knew my daughter has been and always will be my life. In the past he had shown that he understood that. One Friday night he and I were on date we had just left dinner and were on our way to catch a movie, my daughter called and asked to be picked up for the weekend. I explained to her that we were out and I wouldn't be picking her up. After I hung up he told me to call her back and tell her we were on our way to get her. He had established that he knew what kind of mother I was and said on many occasions that I was really all she had because my ex husband had dropped the ball many years ago.
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OP, and an afterthought:
if he is trying to be a better person, its a big deal.... maybe sometimes he feels, you dont appreciate it enough, and you feel he is not appreciate enough your caring...
your earth moon and venus versus water moon and... what is his venus sign? you forgot to list it
His Venus is Capricorn
Posted by SsupermanWell good thing you're no mental health professional. Because what he did was abuse, classic. She should salvage it to see if he goes further? Because he will if she goes back. He's already profiled her.Posted by bkbella86I don't know if I'd actually call him an abuser at this point. What I do think happened was he got spoiled, felt entitled and threw a fit to try and get his way. He felt robbed of his precious time. I also think he was testing her boundaries.Posted by SsupermanThat is the same no? Why would you salvage anything with an abuser?Posted by bkbella86I haven't seen anywhere where she's actually insinuated that she should stay. What she is saying (that I can see) is that it COULD POSSIBLY be salvaged. As in not just throwing something away because of one incident.Posted by sultrykittyI'm reiterating what you have been saying that's all. Don't be mad.Posted by bkbella86And if you do, tell me who's projecting?
The problem here Sultry is that you don't know what abuse is, so this convo is going over your head. OP said he made her feel the lowest she'd felt in life. That's nothing to play with or go back to.
"You think the abuse is worth it for this imaginary connection. That couldn't even withstand a change of plans. That's some "connection"
Please don't put words in my mouth. Your reading comprehension is abysmal. And your projection is showing, you might want to have a look at that.
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I want to know if when you and your wife if you have children, would you advise your daughter the same?
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