Is this accurate for Aquarius? (Page 2)

I think that's what causes the mis/noncommunication between me and my Aqua friend...and I'm a Leo. I think individuals should be responsible for themselves, decisions, actions, etc (most people would agree). I also think that this is not always the case. That's where Aquas step in. They think they are responsible for all (the hero, the messenger, etc), and that's the disconnect (at least for someone trying to live their own life how THEY see fit).

hahaha...You've got yourself an Aqua, alright. And really, there's nothing you can do but love them!

In my experience, I think Aquas really do internalize their pain and worry as much as any Virgo. To them, it's their duty..."for the sake of humanity, why be selfish!" It is quite admirable and appreciated, actually. But it's also why they can be manipulative sometimes (as &2gedanow admits). How else can you get what it is YOU want, without appearing selfish?

Aquas, like any other sign of the Zodiac, do have needs...they just don't ask in order to avoid coming off as "weak," or even human. Instead, they'll hint or use subtlety (which is why they really are so good at manipulation!). This is where the paradox (maybe borderline hypocrisy?) comes into play...

OMG Details, you are so right! It doesn't surprise me that your daughter walked away after she was stung by her Scorp friend. Nor does it surprise me that she was able to sting Scorp back w/ Scorp's defenses. Aquas really do remember EVERYTHING, and I never understood why people would say they were so forgetful...IDK. But this is true of Aquas too (IMO); that they will use your weaknesses against you if you've upset them in anyway. It's the ultimate payback...and boy does it hurt! I know a lot of Aquas may disagree, but I do believe Aquas can be just as vengeful as Scorps.

Funny, I recently had a discussion with my Aqua friend and told him I'd have to detach myself in order to get over my feelings for him. Long story. He didn't argue with me (of course not! To keep me from doing what I have to do to help myself would be inhumane! Plus...it would mean he's off the hook from admitting his feelings for me!) He once even encouraged me to do so. So I am...And now...he's doing the same, haha!

Ugh...as astrologers say...there's never a dull moment with an Aqua!

Dear truthseeker,

You. Are. Awesome.

Do you know you're the 1st dxp member who's spelt out my whole damn username exactly as it's written when using it for the 1st time?!

I was gonna argue with some of your points, but you win!

The awesomeness, you are!






















































Wait - what? Did I just walk away from an argument over an ego-stroke? (I'm kidding)

Uh... wait, Harlequin spelt it out correctly, too, so, um, yeah, truthseeker, forget what I said. You're not awesome.























































































I kid again!

"There are people who I will enter into commitments with and who I will try my utmost best not to disappoint. My aries brother, for example."

To avoid sounding subjective, I would say that Aquas have very rosy views on Aries. I know it - not a book thang. My Aries friend back in HS gossiped about the Aqua girl and drove a clique away from her. To this day she doesn't know it. And the Aries pretends to friend her back after umpteen years.
I would say regarding Aries and Aqua friendships - the Aqua has a more positive view on Aries. The aries wouldn't have a similar sentiment. It's a one way street for similar genders.

Sorry for taking some time to reply. Your thoughts were way too deep; I didn't want to have insomnia for a coupla days because my neurons were going overdrive.


Plus, I disagree with the survival thang. I don't see it as necessary for SURVIVAL. What do humans need to survive? Just a bit of food, water, clean surroundings, air and a roof over their heads. Manipulation is SELF SERVING. Not Survival.

I know alot of people do it without realising so. Why? Egoes, jealousy, greed, plus a host other things, especially POWER.

being very libra, i think
aquas and libra get on well because libra can best repair any damage caused by the aqua's spoken quips when they detect any hint of BS. Of course, the libra knows the aqua's comments are correct. I'm still not sure if the robotic aqua's even care what others think? I think they possibly do, maybe a few days later — Libras wanna be more like that!!!
I do marvel at the things aqua's say, however I cringe for them at the same time.. They do seem to generalize.
I also find aqua's are very honest when confronted directly.

Posted by spica


Plus, I disagree with the survival thang. I don't see it as necessary for SURVIVAL. What do humans need to survive? Just a bit of food, water, clean surroundings, air and a roof over their heads. Manipulation is SELF SERVING. Not Survival.

Everything you mentioned, the food, water clean surroundings etc?

In this day and age you need to get through people to get them. They ain't free. So what do you end up doing?

You end up SURVIVING. How? Manipulation.

It's like how kids learn that adults will cave i they don't stop crying loudly; even if it's to get a lolipop that child has learned how to survive.

With animals its who's gotthe sharpest claws and who can run the fastest.

With human beings its who's got the sharpest mind.

As long as you're trying to preserve something i.e. YOU, you are surviving.

Through manipultion, brute force or otherwise.

Tis the world's ways.

^There is a way to get around in the world through assertiveness and not manipulation. The difference is that the latter restricts others/ uses others to achieve an end, while the former doesn't. Although I must agree that manipulation is rampant, it can be avoided.
It's not really like jail where you "manipulate or be manipulated" or "kill or be killed", even though it may seem that way. It may all just be the circles you involve yourself in.

Posted by spica
^There is a way to get around in the world through assertiveness and not manipulation. The difference is that the latter restricts others/ uses others to achieve an end, while the former doesn't. Although I must agree that manipulation is rampant, it can be avoided.
It's not really like jail where you "manipulate or be manipulated" or "kill or be killed", even though it may seem that way. It may all just be the circles you involve yourself in.

TRUE. But there are a lot more dumbasses in the world than there are people who you can assert yourself with, mind.

And that's the way of aquarius after all: be friendly with everyone - killers, psychopaths, angels, the innocent - but trust no one.

Why? Dynamics shift. All the time.

A killer may end up saving your life, while that person you call an angel may end up taking it, because this is a strange world we live in.

People do strange shit. All the time.

So I will watch and learn how each and every person I choose to be around (which is, well, everyone) works and when the shit hits the fan I will use what I've learned against them.

Because more often than not people don't even WAIT for the shit to hit the fan before using shit against YOU.

Manipulation isn't only used to get what you want you know.

And if what it is you are getting from being manipultive is preservation of self then it's not such a bad thing IMO.

Personally, I can't be manipulated. So me manipulating others for no damn reason is unfair. So I choose when to wield it.

^^^

I am SELECTIVE when I use it.

Glasshouse?

No, I don't think so.

I don't like to get too close to many people because it drains me. They bring me all their drama to listen to and I just can't be bothered with it. My closeness is saved for family, my partner (when i have one)and a couple of people who are incredibly valuable to me.

I have friends - I don't need to have a hundred of them in order to feel satisfied. It's not a "glasshouse" situation - it's just personal preference to not life a life of dramatic crap from outside influences. I've got NO difficulty with making friends, - people attach to me all the time - but they aren't necessarily the sort of people I enjoy being around after while.

Loner? Absolutely, and i won't have it any other way. there is a HUGE sense of satisfaction that i can be happy in my own company, doing things that please me, than being someone who lurches from one crap relationship to the next and going through piles of drama with it because I'm unable to like myself enough to spend time alone.

When i choose to get close to people it is because I want to, not because i feel I should because everyone else expects me to.

"A killer may end up saving your life, while that person you call an angel may end up taking it, because this is a strange world we live in."

Hellz no. Thats not how I see it. It's for want of a better word, a topsy turvy kind of view. For me, the past is a good predictor of future.

"So I will watch and learn how each and every person I choose to be around (which is, well, everyone) works and when the butter hits the fan I will use what I've learned against them."

Yeah I've seen that in action.. with aqua sun/ aries moon and aqua sun/ libra moon.

"Manipulation isn't only used to get what you want you know. "
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NIB, you so remind me of my Guru, she's as whack as you... 😛😛 I almost trusted her assessment of people.. I know she can't differentiate a killer from an innocent - they're all the same to her, with the same self esteem problems manifested in different ways.. I'll keep my boring, in-line socio-perception, tyvm..

If I think like an Aqua I'd feel like I am on psychotropic drugs, with OBEs everyday

Posted by NZAqua
Glasshouse?

No, I don't think so.

I don't like to get too close to many people because it drains me. They bring me all their drama to listen to and I just can't be bothered with it. My closeness is saved for family, my partner (when i have one)and a couple of people who are incredibly valuable to me.

I have friends - I don't need to have a hundred of them in order to feel satisfied. It's not a "glasshouse" situation - it's just personal preference to not life a life of dramatic crap from outside influences. I've got NO difficulty with making friends, - people attach to me all the time - but they aren't necessarily the sort of people I enjoy being around after while.

Loner? Absolutely, and i won't have it any other way. there is a HUGE sense of satisfaction that i can be happy in my own company, doing things that please me, than being someone who lurches from one crap relationship to the next and going through piles of drama with it because I'm unable to like myself enough to spend time alone.

When i choose to get close to people it is because I want to, not because i feel I should because everyone else expects me to.

You probably wrote this as a manual of how you want to be like, or a reminder of your ideal.
By the way, it does sound like how I would write it. BUT, the reason you emphasize on being a peoples' counsellor, is because, for a large percentage o time, you seem to be one.

Posted by spica
"A killer may end up saving your life, while that person you call an angel may end up taking it, because this is a strange world we live in."

Hellz no. Thats not how I see it. It's for want of a better word, a topsy turvy kind of view. For me, the past is a good predictor of future.

"So I will watch and learn how each and every person I choose to be around (which is, well, everyone) works and when the butter hits the fan I will use what I've learned against them."

Yeah I've seen that in action.. with aqua sun/ aries moon and aqua sun/ libra moon.

"Manipulation isn't only used to get what you want you know. "
someeeeeeetimessssssssssss itssssssss for FU-fu-fuuuuuuuuuNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

NIB, you so remind me of my Guru, she's as whack as you... 😛😛 I almost trusted her assessment of people.. I know she can't differentiate a killer from an innocent - they're all the same to her, with the same self esteem problems manifested in different ways.. I'll keep my boring, in-line socio-perception, tyvm..

If I think like an Aqua I'd feel like I am on psychotropic drugs, with OBEs everyday

LOL, spica the point IS: EVERYONE has something valuable. I.e. Information. Whether they're killer or not.

Adolf Hitler was no different from the people who watched slavery happen for 200 years and did nothing.

We are all capable of good and we are all capable of evil. I will mingle with people who who fall under either archtype because it is necessary for my growth.

Emotional, mental, physical.

Knowing the past predicts the future I will have my guard up, just in case human beings ARE incapable of redemption.

But I will not discriminate.

Thus is the aquarian (well, most aquas) way.

Posted by spica


NIB, you so remind me of my Guru, she's as whack as you... 😛😛 I almost trusted her assessment of people.. I know she can't differentiate a killer from an innocent - they're all the same to her, with the same self esteem problems manifested in different ways.. I'll keep my boring, in-line socio-perception, tyvm..

LOL spica it isn't an inability to differentiate between friend and foe. You shoul know this.

Even the stupidest aqua IS NOT NAIVE.

The aquas I know are fearless in that respect:

"Everyone can do us harm", we think, "so no point discriminating is there?"

That's just it. You will learn a thing or two from people you call your enemies, people you FEAR.

And it will make you STRONGER.

You've given me an idea for a new thread, spica. You should pop over to the miscellaneous board.

We coulld continue our... "interfacing" there 🙂

Posted by spica

Posted by NZAqua
Glasshouse?

No, I don't think so.

I don't like to get too close to many people because it drains me. They bring me all their drama to listen to and I just can't be bothered with it. My closeness is saved for family, my partner (when i have one)and a couple of people who are incredibly valuable to me.

I have friends - I don't need to have a hundred of them in order to feel satisfied. It's not a "glasshouse" situation - it's just personal preference to not life a life of dramatic crap from outside influences. I've got NO difficulty with making friends, - people attach to me all the time - but they aren't necessarily the sort of people I enjoy being around after while.

Loner? Absolutely, and i won't have it any other way. there is a HUGE sense of satisfaction that i can be happy in my own company, doing things that please me, than being someone who lurches from one crap relationship to the next and going through piles of drama with it because I'm unable to like myself enough to spend time alone.

When i choose to get close to people it is because I want to, not because i feel I should because everyone else expects me to.

You probably wrote this as a manual of how you want to be like, or a reminder of your ideal.
By the way, it does sound like how I would write it. BUT, the reason you emphasize on being a peoples' counsellor, is because, for a large percentage o time, you seem to be one.

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I live like this on a daily basis - I don't live in an IDEAL, i just live.
I get the feeling you feel you know me better than i know myself? Nup, nobody knows their own self better than....their own self.
😛

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Posted by spica


NIB, you so remind me of my Guru, she's as whack as you... 😛😛 I almost trusted her assessment of people.. I know she can't differentiate a killer from an innocent - they're all the same to her, with the same self esteem problems manifested in different ways.. I'll keep my boring, in-line socio-perception, tyvm..

LOL spica it isn't an inability to differentiate between friend and foe. You shoul know this.

Even the stupidest aqua IS NOT NAIVE.

The aquas I know are fearless in that respect:

"Everyone can do us harm", we think, "so no point discriminating is there?"

That's just it. You will learn a thing or two from people you call your enemies, people you FEAR.

And it will make you STRONGER.

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Yeah but not everyone goes in the lion's den just to learn something about the lion. you can always read about it.
I understand aqua is not naive, but they have a different way of seeing the world. strange aqua as you mentioned is the sign of human, but they seem almost like the quintessential alien, when their neurons are firing 😛

I think the best challenge for an aqua is to live a month or two as each of the other signs, so as to get 11/12 of a perspective. you can't boast of being a human sign when the only perspective you can see is your own.

"LOL, spica the point IS: EVERYONE has something valuable. I.e. Information. Whether they're killer or not.

Adolf Hitler was no different from the people who watched slavery happen for 200 years and did nothing.

We are all capable of good and we are all capable of evil. I will mingle with people who who fall under either archtype because it is necessary for my growth.

Emotional, mental, physical.

Knowing the past predicts the future I will have my guard up, just in case human beings ARE incapable of redemption.

But I will not discriminate.

Thus is the aquarian (well, most aquas) way."


Aquas have an inability to really see themselves clearly, they are almost the sign of others. Thats why they need social interaction so much.
Re: Adolf, the difference was that Adolf was in power. People attribute power unwisely, thats why this whole world, seemingly is about power.

I believe it is more challenging to live a life of anti-manipulation than manipulation, because it takes an un-selfaware soul to commit the latter, and a self aware one to do the former.

I also know alot of people manipulate. But I see it as lack of self awareness than anything else. They dont even know they are manipulating when I see it so clearly.

Plus, I know information is King in Aqua world. But it's only 1/12 of perspectives.. information is only one dimension.
And I did skip to the misc threads. I just don't really follow/ agree with your suicide interpretation.

Your interpretation is that is selfish, but, its at that time they deserve the most attention.

Posted by spica
Plus, I know information is King in Aqua world. But it's only 1/12 of perspectives.. information is only one dimension.
And I did skip to the misc threads. I just don't really follow/ agree with your suicide interpretation.

Your interpretation is that is selfish, but, its at that time they deserve the most attention.

With suicidal types you have to be practical. Being emotional is just ridiculous.

Not only are you reinforcing their behaviour by being all mushy, you're offering no new point of view to the fucked up one they already have.

Which is what they need. They have you're rapt attention becaue they kno you're worried they'll do somthing drastic.

But that isn't enough for them. Oh no.

And it IS selfish! Selfish means thinking of yourself alone, does it not?

And people who are depressed or suicidal only think about themselves, their pain, their failures, them, them, THEM.

They forget that there's people who accept them for who they are.

They need to look outside of themselves...

Posted by spica

Posted by &2gedanow

Posted by spica


NIB, you so remind me of my Guru, she's as whack as you... 😛😛 I almost trusted her assessment of people.. I know she can't differentiate a killer from an innocent - they're all the same to her, with the same self esteem problems manifested in different ways.. I'll keep my boring, in-line socio-perception, tyvm..

LOL spica it isn't an inability to differentiate between friend and foe. You shoul know this.

Even the stupidest aqua IS NOT NAIVE.

The aquas I know are fearless in that respect:

"Everyone can do us harm", we think, "so no point discriminating is there?"

That's just it. You will learn a thing or two from people you call your enemies, people you FEAR.

And it will make you STRONGER.

Yeah but not everyone goes in the lion's den just to learn something about the lion. you can always read about it.
I understand aqua is not naive, but they have a different way of seeing the world. strange aqua as you mentioned is the sign of human, but they seem almost like the quintessential alien, when their neurons are firing 😛

I think the best challenge for an aqua is to live a month or two as each of the other signs, so as to get 11/12 of a perspective. you can't boast of being a human sign when the only perspective you can see is your own.

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I really think you're going by astrologer's descriptions, tbh. Half the aquas on here are self proclaimed loners.

And that last line is a contradiction on your part:

YOU are the one who called me and your aqua guru "wack" for not being dicriminatory with our friends.

For being likely to be friendly with killers as well as saints. Yet you say aquas can't "boast" about being human without seeing other people's perspectives?!

Come ON?! What do you think we're gaining from being around the killers in the first place?! lol

Posted by spica

Posted by &2gedanow

Posted by spica


NIB, you so remind me of my Guru, she's as whack as you... 😛😛 I almost trusted her assessment of people.. I know she can't differentiate a killer from an innocent - they're all the same to her, with the same self esteem problems manifested in different ways.. I'll keep my boring, in-line socio-perception, tyvm..

LOL spica it isn't an inability to differentiate between friend and foe. You shoul know this.

Even the stupidest aqua IS NOT NAIVE.

The aquas I know are fearless in that respect:

"Everyone can do us harm", we think, "so no point discriminating is there?"

That's just it. You will learn a thing or two from people you call your enemies, people you FEAR.

And it will make you STRONGER.

Yeah but not everyone goes in the lion's den just to learn something about the lion. you can always read about it.

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Ah. THERE it is.

Sometimes experience really is the best teacher. And assumption? The mother of all fuckups.

There is good and bad in everyone. And sometimes being hurt by a genuinely good person wounds you deeper than being hurt by someone you knew who was bad all along.

This is what I was saying about the other signs: they truly lack belief. A lot of them don't SEE for themselves.

They believe what they're told.

I don't dislike virgos because astrologers say that virgo and aquas are a bad match. I dislike virgos because they PISS ME THE FUCK OFF.

You should ignore what you've read about aquas, spica and come to YOUR own conclusion because most of the aquas I know are inately misanthropic.

Besides to gather info, they don't need social interaction. They aren't "friendly". Or "humanitarian". Or "unemotional".

They are cunning and street wise and often times vengeful. But JUST.

They will only take you apart if YOU try to take them apart.

I know that re: Aquas.

I had an Aqua/Aries mooner confide in me, and then, in a group setting she turned it all around to her favor. I dropped her because I didn't like to cover up her lies without asking. She never bothered to inform me she was going to show a big disparity. So goes the Aqua sun/ Lib moon.

"You should ignore what you've read about aquas, spica and come to YOUR own conclusion because most of the aquas I know are inately misanthropic."

Firstly, you assume I go solely by the book, and take it as truth. This is where you go wrong. I knw Aquas are loners, BUT they need social interaction very much.. not in any other way besides liking camaderie.


"They are cunning and street wise and often times vengeful. But JUST. "

Not as vengeful as Scorp, though.


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For being likely to be friendly with killers as well as saints. Yet you say aquas can't "boast" about being human without seeing other people's perspectives?!

Come ON?! What do you think we're gaining from being around the killers in the first place?! lol"


Ah, so they're your little experiments. BUT, Aqua forget they're only human. They don't have nine lives, or even two. Sometimes, they make mistakes. Plus, they may only have that detached faculty needed to escape danger.. 99% of the time an Aqua thinks he(or she)'s got everything down pat, that 1% will do them in..

Ever wonder why Aquas don't stand out really? They overestimate themselves.. and they play with abstract ideas that get them nowhere.. just distract from the key points.

By the way, I have enough Aquas in my life to gather conclusions.. and they're pretty similar in some fashion. They're all female btw, th males come across as much less intense, very muted.





Not all Aquas are self aware enough to know they're manipulating.. It's so easy for me to see it. My guru is the only one who is close to perfect for everything (why else do I call her that?). Romance-wise, she's a typical Aquarian, though..
Aquas are also not humble to admit when they're wrong.. theyd just rather change the subject and pretend they got it right the first time.
They also act humanitarian but they're socially power hungy
They also like worshippers
Those with Venus in Aqua have a need for harems.

Posted by spica
I know that re: Aquas.

I had an Aqua/Aries mooner confide in me, and then, in a group setting she turned it all around to her favor. I dropped her because I didn't like to cover up her lies without asking. She never bothered to inform me she was going to show a big disparity. So goes the Aqua sun/ Lib moon.

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For being likely to be friendly with killers as well as saints. Yet you say aquas can't "boast" about being human without seeing other people's perspectives?!

Come ON?! What do you think we're gaining from being around the killers in the first place?! lol"


Ah, so they're your little experiments. BUT, Aqua forget they're only human. They don't have nine lives, or even two. Sometimes, they make mistakes. Plus, they may only have that detached faculty needed to escape danger.. 99% of the time an Aqua thinks he(or she)'s got everything down pat, that 1% will do them in..

Ever wonder why Aquas don't stand out really? They overestimate themselves.. and they play with abstract ideas that get them nowhere.. just distract from the key points.

To the first thing, I'm gonna risk sounding sexist and just say it: girl thing, maybe?

To the second, that is YOUR assumption. That it is an experiment.

When I explained in a few posts back WHY I'd mingle with good people as well as bad. But, ah whatever lol doesn't really matter anyway, I have my reasons for being voluntarily manipulative and they've got me this far in life so...

Oh, and you say aquas are power hungry: I don't see you coming up with reasons why (for THIS aqua it's freedom).

So, yeah, it does seem you're going by the book.

Aquas DO overestimate their abiliteis, though, I'll grant you that.

But who wouldn't when placed beside more "shallow" signs?

Posted by spica
I know that re: Aquas.

I had an Aqua/Aries mooner confide in me, and then, in a group setting she turned it all around to her favor. I dropped her because I didn't like to cover up her lies without asking. She never bothered to inform me she was going to show a big disparity. So goes the Aqua sun/ Lib moon.

"You should ignore what you've read about aquas, spica and come to YOUR own conclusion because most of the aquas I know are inately misanthropic."

Firstly, you assume I go solely by the book, and take it as truth. This is where you go wrong. I knw Aquas are loners, BUT they need social interaction very much.. not in any other way besides liking camaderie.


"They are cunning and street wise and often times vengeful. But JUST. "

Not as vengeful as Scorp, though.


"
For being likely to be friendly with killers as well as saints. Yet you say aquas can't "boast" about being human without seeing other people's perspectives?!

Come ON?! What do you think we're gaining from being around the killers in the first place?! lol"


Ah, so they're your little experiments. BUT, Aqua forget they're only human. They don't have nine lives, or even two. Sometimes, they make mistakes. Plus, they may only have that detached faculty needed to escape danger.. 99% of the time an Aqua thinks he(or she)'s got everything down pat, that 1% will do them in..

Ever wonder why Aquas don't stand out really? They overestimate themselves.. and they play with abstract ideas that get them nowhere.. just distract from the key points.

You sdee this is yet another contradiction on your part: the whole thread was CREATED regarding one of aquas many imperfections (boundary issues).

I then sidetracked the thread (unwittingly) to YET another imperfection of aquarius, which is the manipulation thing.

Yet you're arguing that aquas think they're god-like?! That they think they're right 99% of the time and that 1% will do them in?

Fuck that lol I maintain that I am not perfect nor are the aquas I met that I have in mind when talking about this sign, but I also maintain that it is these imperfections that are helping me to learn.

The imperfection of using misdirection (a form of manipulation) to save someone else's feelings from being hurt.

The imperfection of needing space because GOOD OR BAD NOT EVERYONE CAN BE TRUSTED.

The imperfection of, ahem, being

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The "wack" imperfection of being friendly to just about EVERYONE (in YOUR own opinion spica) regardless of the above point.

And of course aquas don't stand out lol they're not straightforward enough.

Leos have got the ego thing.

Scorpio has got the vengance thing.

Pisces the slippery thing.

Aries the bravery thing.

What comes up the most when talking about aquarians? "Friendly". "Humanitarian". lol

Everything is locked tight inside hence the "unemotional" thing. Aquas are a mystery especially to themselves.

I have mood swings every damn minute! I can go from happy to sad and then back again in a heartbeat and I couldn't tell you why!

I am loving this thread more and more. Nice new pic &2gedanow!

I want to go back to spica's observation that Aquas are not self aware. To some extent I believe this to be true, and I believe it is one of the main reasons why Aquas are so "for the group." I think that socializing/or group involvement is a way for Aquas to "lose" themselves, so as to not have to look in the mirror and acknoweledge the fact that they can be manipulative, vengeful, and all the other uglies that make them human (because Aquas are alledgedly superior to human beings!). It's one of the many ways Aquas contradict themselves...and trust me, Aquas are NOT stupid; they are very much aware of their ugly sides. Their "density" shows through, however, when it is brought to their attention that they are behaving in a way that makes them look bad, and they thought that no one else would ever notice.

HOWEVER, Aquas do value their space and alone time, too. It's when they are having that "down-time" that they DEFINTELY sit and delve into their depths. It's like a time to evaluate how they're doing. It's like a time out. I would imagine they ask themselves questions like:

Have I given equal billing to the two sides of me over these past few days(the good and the bad)?
What have I learned? Who have I learned from? Do I still value them? Why?
What did he/she mean by that?
How can I build that geodesic dome house? along with...

Did I pay that bill?
Oh shit...I've got that appt. tomorrow. and so on.

My point is, when Aquas go into themselves, THAT is when their depth comes through. THAT is when they ask the deep and probing questions. It's like an existential conversation they have with themselves. They then take what they've concluded, and blast off to join the "lesser" folks of mankind, assuming that they've attained more knowledge than others. What Aquas don't realize, though, is that there are many people of many other signs that do the SAME thing, and Aquas would know this if they actually took the time to really get to know others, and not just at face value while wearing the guise of Mr./Ms. Know-It-All.

Aquas are definitely the humanitarians of the Zodiac, but they're also the ones that have the least faith in humanity...the ultimate cynics (understandably so). Maybe if they were more discriminating; manipulation, power, and "fair (?)" vengance wouldn't be such a necessity. Personally, I'm just of the belief that not all people deserve a second thought from me

Sorry...I got cut off.

What I was gonna say is that I am of the belief that not all people deserve a second thought from me. Yes, there is always a lesson to be learned from those with whom we come into contact. But I'll be damned if I let one bad egg force me into cunning ways. That is how you lose your personal freedom, when you allow others to incite reactions that are beneath you as a righteous human being. If you're an asshole, a coward or a child molester; I'd rather just call you as you are, and be done with it. In doing so, I have gained acceptance of who you are, and thus acceptance of life's harsh realities. I take it with me and evolve, and that, in my opinion, is true superiority.

&2gedanow...the idea of using manipulation to spare people's feelings is really really horrible. I've had it done to me (by an Aqua), and it makes things worse. I'd much rather know the truth. I am someone (whether this is a good or bad thing) who HAS to know the truth. I'd rather deal with it, be hurt by it, accept it and see my way through it, than be manipulated into believing something else. But I guess not everyone would have the same opinion...

"Oh, and you say aquas are power hungry: I don't see you coming up with reasons why (for THIS aqua it's freedom).

So, yeah, it does seem you're going by the book."

Strange thing, NIB, you say I only go by the book. How often do you make assumptions and take it as truth? If you do that, then you're really going the wrong way..
Why do I think Aquas are power hungry? They want to be the leader of the group. Since they basically live to interact (find ideas so interesting), where else can they get it than from fellow humans? Humans are a breeding ground (idea factory) that Aqua harvest to quell their deep thirst and desire for knowledge.

Plus, Aqua can play people like a chess game.. put a bit of Aries into the mix, and you have a juggernaut who cares not for humanity (aqua), but is self serving (Aries) to the max.

And, face it, you have a superficial understanding of other signs.. if I can tell from your writing, you have only endeavoured to explain the Aquarian ways.

And of course, Aquas know there are many sides to everything, and nothing is ever truly wrong without a proper refutation.


"I have mood swings every damn minute! I can go from happy to sad and then back again in a heartbeat and I couldn't tell you why!"

Ya think too much or allow emotions to take control..


"treetrunk that lol I maintain that I am not perfect nor are the aquas I met that I have in mind when talking about this sign, but I also maintain that it is these imperfections that are helping me to learn."

If it helps any, Aquas do come across as know it alls, as truthseeker (whom I presume must be a Leo) mentions. They are unwilling to show their weaknesses, and thus cannot truly know intimacy (for fear someone else, esp the good 'uns) will do them in.

If Aquas have so lil faith in the good peeps (thinkin theyll hurt em more than the baddies), then it shows that there is an evil side to Aqua that will make 'em the baddies.. and since Aqua perception is skewed anyway (for the love of humanity), then they prolly can just live as everyone else.

I just hate it when Aquas are too focused on strength and weakness.. they cannot see beyond that to the humanity of it all.

"I want to go back to spica's observation that Aquas are not self aware. To some extent I believe this to be true, and I believe it is one of the main reasons why Aquas are so "for the group." "


There's the difference between Aqua and Leo. Leonines are very person centred. They are not self serving by any means (the Leos I know are the most generous ones Ive the fortune to meet), they just have that sense of self that Aqua seem to lack. (opposites anyone?).

And I agree with regard to 'for the group' thang. The Aquas I know; I used to have very rosy pictures of them, but they all started to exhibit holes from what they projected. I realised soon enough that Aqua care more for the collective than the individual.. they can forgo one piece of friendship for the maintenance of group dynamics. I know cos I've seen it in action.. and I thought the Aqua heartless, for lack of a better word.

"To the first thing, I'm gonna risk sounding sexist and just say it: girl thing, maybe?"

Yes, and don't worry about being sexist. I already mentioned the Aqua guys I know are very very muted people.. they're just like wallflowers 😛.. they dont express alot of the things they think about. I remember an Aqua I knew in HS who liked to shock people, dress wise, speech wise and that's abt it.

Aqua women have high ideals that they themselves fail to meet. I've been privy to so many disparities of Aqua friends I figured I'd go insane if I didnt have someone who showed consistency in speech and behavior. They give me the feeling of almost being used because they just switch sides as and when it serves their larger purpose (ie their image). But I know they're not aware of it, though, they only want to project themselves in the best light. Who doesn't? But Aquas just too proud to admit it.