A Woman in a Masculine Sign (to Parallax)

I pulled this off another post because I thought it might be something interesting to talk about..

To Parallax.. and anyone else who wants to hop in...
Original Post
How do you as an Aries woman handle being a masculine sign? (that's actually a serious question - a first for me)

Aprilbaby wrote:
LOL...actually, there isn't really anything to handle Parallax. My "masculine" side expresses itself mostly in my tastes in fashion. I love a lot of men's accessories (i.e. ties, cuff links, hats, watches). I also love the cut of a man's suit or jeans that are made for a woman.

My response:
Well Parallax.. to answer your question..for a masculine sign, I'm pretty "soft-and-pink" on the inside.

Perhaps on the exterior, I can come across as aggressive, competitve or stubborn- but are those traits exclusively "masculine" ? Can those traits simply be attributed to the fact that I'm an aries?.. and aries is a masculine sign? I can't answer that definitively.

I will say that my libido carries several masculine traits.. particularly when I'm chasing down a mate. If I want something (or someone ), I initiate a lot, and I rarely take, "no" for an answer.

Hi STD

There are 4 cardinal signs in the zodiac. Aries, Cancer, Libra & Capricorn. Among these Aries & Libra are attirbuted to the masculine forces. The cancer & capricorn to the feminine strategic forces. Being cardinal.. the females of all these four signs are initiators in one way or hte other. If Aries come out as the most aggessive(hence masculine) of these four it is beause of hte fire element which makes them more visible than any other sign. And they are for ever enthusiastic. That is the fire element. In my opinion the sign which is the most determined chaser is the Capricorn. And the sign which has the greatest difficulty in accpeting a NO for an answer is the Cancer. Surprised? I know it is ... But that is what it is. The cancer and capricorn females hide their iron clad determination under the powder puff feminity ( outwardly). They have patience by which they win many a battles/wars of life. whereas the Aries female may have male like matter of fact - very direct approach. They are very impatient & hence more outwardly aggressive. So what makes the masculine quality not the initiator or chaser part...but on the approach of it all.

Being an initiator is not a masculine quality. For me being masculine is only restricted to dressing up like male persons or being biologically male (LMAO) ...

Thanks looney--

That definitely sheds new light on the topic. Let's go a step further..does this also mean that behavior cannot be categorized as being neither "masculine"-- or "feminine"? Or do both women and men contain BOTH of what we are calling masculine and feminine traits?

Also, where is the scope of the original question... is Parallax asking do Aries women (or women of any cardinal sign) feel more "manly" than other women? Or is he asking that women born under cardinal signs possess traits which have been categorized as being, masculine ?

In many ways, I agree with you.. being aggressive or stubborn.. or any of the traits I mentioned in my earlier post, are not exclusive masculine traits-- however I think the cooperative word that makes a woman appear more masculine than feminine IS the outward appearance. Maybe a cancer has a stronger drive in terms of not taking, "no" for an answer-- or a capricorn in their ability to chase... but since the aries seems to be more direct with their approach-- doesn't that also make the aries appear more masculine as an effect?

Are we talking about individual traits? Or how we present them within our personalities? It's a mind twister to me- a little.

Hi SeizeTheDay,

Won't give a comment on your question except to say that a female Aries is what we need right now. Women are becoming more powerful (as it should be) and soon we shall rule the world - we will depend on your determination and strength to pull us through to victory!

Hehehe Thanks P-Angel

And courage - that is the main ingrediant. Any man who says anything about a female Aries being masculine is envious of you because nobody is a courageous as an Aries. Many are strong, only a few are brave!

Oh wow.. you won't get an argument out of me..

The Rams are hungry - must feed!

Parallax . . . chill !!!! I read this post from SeizeTheDay and I find nothing in here that suggests she was patronizing you, or being condenscending to you. You asked her the question and then she thought about it and wanted to know someone else's take on it - that's part of being an adult and frankly, I cannot see why you would be so upset. There have been no accusations thrown around here - just simple curiousity. What's the matter? I read your post in the Misc section and answered you, though, you probably won't like my response and something is the matter. You are taking things too closely to heart and that simply won't do on message boards. Relax . . . let me pass this to you, got a clip?

I wasn't patronizing him.. and I don't know where this conversation was coming from. I'm not talking to you behind your back.. it has your name in topic to catch your attention because I wanted to talk about it WITH YOU!!!! I FIGURED IT CATCH YOUR EYE.. NOT THIS FREAKING ATTITUDE.

Furthermore.. I wasn't trying to make a big deal out of it.. I thought it was an interesting topic.. and I wanted to discuss it on the Aries board amongst other zodiacs who were interested. It was originally posted on the scorpio board. I put my answer there-- but then I thought, it would be cool for general discussion and thought it deserved it's own post. Somehow... Parallax took it as a personal attack.. and thought I was trying to talk about him behind is back-- which surely wasn't the case.

Parallax, I'm sorry if I made you feel that way . . . but, I wasn't meaning to insult you - I was stroking SeizeTheDay. We have a little fun, poking at each other and it wasn't intended towards you. I apologize!

I'm NOT sorry. I don't think I need to fall victim to some guy throwing his weight around the boards-- telling people what they can and cannot post. What people can and cannot talk about-- what people can and cannot respond to.. AND ARIES IS CONTROLLING? If you don't want people discussing something that you've said in a (..ummmmm... PUBLIC FORUM.....) then write it in diary-- put it in a personal note to THAT person if you only want THAT person to answer.

Actually, it was looney who pointed out the differences.. I cannot take credit for it.

Tis you the one who has no manners... the post I copied DIRECTLY from something you posted in the scorp board (minus the spelling errors) --- look it up-- second.. it doesn't call Aries women masculine.. if you read each word closely.. it says, MASCULINE SIGN.. YOUR WORDS E-X-A-C-T-L-Y.... STOP ACCUSING ME OF THINGS I HAVE NOT DONE.

In actuality, I was the only one patronizing him. I'm a recluse and my social skills aren't as finely tuned as most - but, my intentions are not vicious. I cannot see anything Seize said and Aprilbaby is here too, trying to offer some compassion. What's the malfunction with you Parallax. I wrote to you, trying to offer something and you take it and twist it around in an attempt to make you look better - but it's backfiring on you, dude. Your not getting the sympathy you seek from SeizeTheDay, so the mature thing to do is to drop it.

I'm done with it P-Angel. If he wants to fight.. let him fight by himself. Thank you for the support, but he's going to think what he wants. He's the sort of person who looks for people to spit- and today.. my number was up.

I'm not as strong as you are SeizeTheDay and Aprilbaby, since she's an Aries too and I take this hard. Alas, my Piscean traits pull through - I concede! I will gladly step behind someone and let them take charge - I can't confront this any longer. I've tried to offer something to him and maybe I bungled it up, for it only infuriates him more. I will shut up and go back to dreaming about an Aries man I'm hot for!

thank you.. too Aprilbaby.

That's the spirit P-Angel. I don't think I'm strong. A strong person wouldn't have responded to such madness.

You are strong - stronger than me because I don't have the undurance to battle for every long before I give up. I guess I should take my sage-wisdom and leave.

Get over yourself.. I have only sent 2 personal messages to you. I only have 1 personal account SeizeTheDay. If you're getting messages from other women who are dying for your attention.. then talk to them and stop dragging me into your situations. I have no interest in playing games on the internet-- particularly not with you.

You accuse me of these things-- without proof.

You say the style of writing is the same.. and I say.. what a bunch of horse-sh!t.

Please don't leave P-Angel.. I have appreciated every conversation I've had with you.

Stab me in the back———? I have this person who used to be my friend and she would have people take sides, and coincedently, she is Cancer. Now, I have no idea if this is a trait, or if it was just her - but, this is looking like familiar territory. There can only be sides if a line was drawn and the only person I can see drawing a line - is Parallax.

relax P-Angel.

Parallax has no gripe with you. I don't want you to get drawn in or upset about something that is aimed towards me. He can say what he wants-- point fingers, call me names.. his opinion of me is as important as a sack of hair.

As you get to know me.. you can make your own decisions about my character.. as others have...

thanks again for the support sweety.

I don't do this well, better left to someone else. If wisdom is about how expensive of a car is driven, them I'm out because I have an old beat-up pick up truck. A little butch qualities coming through. I'm very graceful in my words and people would take me the wrong way, but, I'm used to it for rarely do I find someone who understands me. I will do as you say, and back off.

Furthermore, I will leave for now because I have to go to the grocery store (I'm actually going to leave the house). But, before I leave, I will say that I live by a prayer that I heard long ago in an AA meeting. I've never forgotten it and say it everyday (but, perhaps it doesn't help me much because I still fall prey)

God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change
The courage to change the things I can
And the wisdom to know the difference.

I know this isn't a religious board and I apologize if anyone takes offense in this, but, I have to think about this again and try to mold it into my life. I will come back tomorrow SeizeTheDay and we can talk some more. I really enjoy our conversations and I apologize if I've stepped on anyone's toes.

Take care - P-Angel = Angie

Oooops, I meant - not very graceful!

Ah.. the serenity prayer. My mom says it a lot as well. You have not stepped on my toes at all... and I look forward to our conversation tomorrow.

I'm still here, but my last entry - I have no idea what story was on the other board that was clever and funny, but would like to read it. And, I agree, we should try to get along better. I'll work on my own misgivings and be nicer tomorrow. Bye all!

Same here.. talk to you later P-Angel.. and Aprilbaby.

WOW!!!! What happened here— Its so eazy for words to be blown out of context...

Remember folks, when expressing your thoughts through writing, e-mails etc... sometimes people miss understand what is being said. Furthermore, it useless to continue the discussion if there is a lack of understanding. Opinions dont necessarly have to be right!! From all that has been said, that's all it's been. I am sorry to see that there are some people who don't understand the freedom of expression. As an Aries female noted of being one of the masculine signs, I can say that in appearence I am all fem. The trait of having masculine characteristics goes as follows: I stand proud and fear no one. I will probably fight either gender if they threaten me. This can come in the form as verbally and physically if it comes to this. I will carry my own groceries and change my own tire on my car. I will handle the kids with a firm arm and I will tell a man, I can do it my self. I will stand up for a man if I care enought for him with whom ever. I will not run from any challenges especially if its an unjust to anyone that I care for. I could go on!! My point is this....Aries females can be fem in appearance but can handle any job a man can. Its only the challenge within us to do when ever one believes we can't. We will continue to push ourselves even when some has given up...In this world some have sterotyped women into believing this is a man's world and a woman should know her place(whatever). As a Aries woman( speaking for myself) I hate that thought. In my mind, if I am put up to it, I can accomplish it no matter what anyone believes or thinks. Soooooo What does that make me—? Even when I am paying much attention as to whether I will break a nail....C"MON lets just move on!!!! AGREE......