Its all about respect..

Knock knock...

Hello you hot and heavy Aries guys....its the lady with the whip from eight zodiac signs down...

::wink wink::

Just wondering if I can borrow some of your thoughts—? I always return the favour..

Ok, what are you thoughts on women who give up the goods easily in comparison to a woman who makes you wait for them?. For me its always about respect. I have known Aries men to be non-judgemental which is great..but me being Scorpio, I have my doubts..

Say, you don't live in the same country, but speak regularly, know that you like each other immensely, definitely chemistry..would you expect to be getting the goods upon meeting? I mean, its not like your going to see each other every weekend etc..and lets say you've teeeeeeeeeeased the hell out of each other..

Do you guys form emotional bonds based on sex? one of my Aries friend said that is usually the decider for him..

Now as much as I would love to zoooooom in, head (lol) first..I am a laaaaydee..and it would go against everything I believe in..(but they say theres a first time for everything)..Arrrrrrgh..I have a feeling, I will be held hostage until I do give up the goods!..LOL..

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Hey, mm .. are you in the US yet?

I know it's off topic .. but, I was wondering how the new job's hanging?

G'morning MM and P-Angel-

Welcome to the U.S. MM when or if you are here! You're gonna love it by golly 😉 and all of the Ameries are just gonna fall in love with your adorable accent.

Ya know the old saying....sometimes what we need to know is right in front of us? Well, MM....I think the answer you may be seeking is in the title of your post. Seek no further...you KNOW what to do. 😉

Haaaaaave fun doll!

Thanks Freebird...

P-Angel, not there yet..I am coming on 30th April...inititally only for a week cos its training..but there will be plenty more trips and well if I like Boston, which I am sure I will..a permanent move could be on the horizon..I feel a change coming on..and I knew 2008 was going to be my year!..could feel it in me bones...

I am a pleasure seeker (not that kind of pleasure although it helps))

😉

How are you?

Well its all really happening over here aint it!...lol

Yes, all this Arian activity is quite exhausting, at times.

I'm fine, thanks ..

Since nobody else has piped in .. I'll be the Aries today.

Say you were into a man to whom lived in your city. You talked on the phone, email and perhaps even enjoyed a night or two at the cinema .. you knew, as well as he, that there was indeed an attraction and you were growing fonder of him by the day .. if the moment arose, would you not think that enough respect had been between you two to do the "thang"?

If you respect him and he does you .. distance is of no consequence.

You could go on a date with a man tomorrow who lives next door and he could behave like a complete turd .. distance is irrelevant .. respect is.

So, my final decision is .. YES .. to giving up the goods, so long as the two of you are still as good to each other in person as you are via phone, or net. Afterall, when a woman meets the man she might consider to be "hers" .. isn't it the mental part that she's looking for? Physically? You're female .. you can find that anywhere.

You meet someone new .. you lay deep into the night .. talking each other's brains out .. without any touching and you know he's the one .. ok, so innit what has been going on? A mental connection without the physical .. keeper

As far as him "expecting" the goods .. he's male, ain't he?
That goes with the territory .. why I should think that's half the attraction, innit?
If a man wasn't desiring to take our bodies .. there would be no passion .. tosser !!!

P has some good points there....from a Pisces pov...and pisces are quicker than Aries to "give up the goods" I know my Pisces female pal is forsure!

If I am with a man who I may adore and drool over, if he gives in to me toooooo soon, something happens...we thrive on the getting to know a person in a deeper sense, we like the thrill of the hunt...if it is too easy no matter what it is, it will loose meaning for us...our attention will go elsewhere.

Keep 'em waiting for a bit M, let him desire you from his bones...it will mean more to him and so will you.

You gotta do what you gotta do when you gotta do it, it's your body, your heart, your choice.

Just a bit of info. on the Aries mind. 😉

Yeah, I know .. we just don't view it the same way.

It's like .. if it's just the chase you want, and not the person .. we'll give in, so he'll leave.

Pests, if you say no.

Isn't it funny how it's viewed so differently.

Ah...not only the chase but the person too....makes the person more valuable to us in our mind if they don't give in too soon. Wish I could explain why. Yeah, funny how we are different in the way we view things....to each their own I suppose.

I'm not sure why there's so much value in the goods, though.

If I was into a man for months on end online .. what's the difference between that and in real life? Isn't that getting into the person?

Wouldn't a man by then if the woman was decent or not? So, what .. once they do meet up, after months of adoring and respecting each other, she gives up the goods and he thinks "badly" of her? Does he not her by now? Whereas, a man could chase after a woman for months and she never gives in, then finally, she goes out with him and sleeps with him .. but, she's a decent person because she waited that long to even agree to go out?

Makes no sense to me .. I don't get it. Oh well, maybe I never will .. in the meantime, I'll just stay a virgin.

I guess it would have helped if I had written that in english, so it would be legiable.

Online and in person are two different thingies.....way different.

Have you ever seen someone on TV that you just wanted to meet? You have all this stuff goin' on in your head about him/her. Then you finally meet him/her in person.....waaaaaaaaay different. Not sure why, cannot explain it - it just was. Sort of like rediscovering the person in a different form or something.

"they like the illusion of a feminine lady"

Interesting ..

Interesting points. Thanks all..its as I expected. I agree with the making him wait part..not that I want to..but I wouldn't be able to respect myself if I gave in too easily...and well if I do, regardless of how much I want to, the mystery is over..I would be bored within days..nothing more to unravel...and like Freebird said, I want to feel valuable..Quite rightly so...

P-Angel, I think the reason Pisces give in easily (not saying all do) is perhaps because they live in fear of the other person turning their back if they don't..I have seen evidence of this from a couple of my Pisces friends. I respect my body a little too much so I can't see myself doing it..

"because they live in fear of the other person turning their back if they don't"


You've got to be kidding me? Many things we fear, that's not one of them.

Any man we want is at our disposal .. men stand in line for us. Don't know about your friends, but, there isn't a Pisces I know who fears rejection.

The reason why we sleep with our man is because we want to love them completely, fully, in every way .. if they become bored after 3 days .. then they're tossers, because they cared more about the illusion, rather than the value of the person.

In any event .. I'm glad you found what you needed.

I disagree, Pisces has a very strong need to feel wanted and loved, without it they can't cope..Thats why they fly from one relationship to another. But yeah each to their own..

Lol @ geminifox..

OK, my take on the subject...granted, i am not an aries MAN, but i think somehow accidentally i was born female so here goes my opinion....please ignore it if you want


aries LOVES SEX....the sexier, the hotter, the tantilizing and teasing and hotter and seductive and more talented in bed, along with a healthy dose of mystery and temptation....damn girl!!! are you kiddin me!!

be coy.,.....be seductive......draw him into you....make him believe that being with you will be the be all and end all of all this universe and its earthly pleasures has to offer...make him believe you can crawl inside his body, become one with him, feel what he feels, inhale his breath as if it were your own.....

then he will be hooked..............................maybe? lol

Absolutely Aries love sex BUT......not just sex. One must to get us through our mind first. 😉

Otherwise....sex is sex...whoopie. No biggie.

ScopioLady(missmorals)....give him a run for his money - be different than all the other girls. An Aries man loves a challenge- bring out that "hunter" in him.....this is what will hook him and.......................I think you already know this 😉

Uh.....correction - One must get to us through our mind first.

Sigh I know I know....God I can't believe how much I like the guy...this is crazy for me...but yes I do have immense self control..so I know I can tease him till he pops!..LOL..

Getting through to his mind isn't a problem...The Aries mind is quick without a doubt but its not as calculative and strategic as a Scorps..Aries mind is very straight down the line...whereas scorps would go up, down, round, north east, south west..before making a decision or opening their mouth..teasing him isn't really a problem..U think Aries is all about the sex...the hotter, the more tantalizing, the more provocative the better...how the bloody hell do you think I feel..multiply that by a gazillion and u might have an idea!....I have a feeling I may physically harm the guy upon seeing him...lol..Grrrrr...I did read somewhere that this lustful relationship could have an element of implied violence..LOL...Yummy!..he is hooked so far...but there is also the distance..I swore I would never have a long distance relationship...

"a pisces male would actually regard a woman more if she sleeps with him on first date? thinking that this woman is willing to share ALL with him?
... plz explain..."

Archer, I would be happy to. First of all, this all came from a post that said, "Say, you don't live in the same country, but speak regularly, know that you like each other immensely, definitely chemistry..would you expect to be getting the goods upon meeting? I mean, its not like your going to see each other every weekend etc..and lets say you've teeeeeeeeeeased the hell out of each other.."


We're NOT talking about two people who go out on a date and very first night, the woman gives up the goods .. she said, "you like each other immensely"

So, my point was .. if you already KNOW each other and have deep conversations and have a built a respectful relationship .. then I don't see a problem with putting-out. If a woman actually went out with a man in person and puts-out on the 3rd or 4th, it's likely that she's NOT going to know him this well.

I'm just not looking at this like this is a first time encounter .. because it's not. They already know each other and if he doesn't think she's a lady with dignity and respect, then she's already given him that impression via phone, or net .. holding back for 3 days "acting" contrary to that isn't going to make an impression.

Archer/P-Angel: "a pisces male would actually regard a woman more if she sleeps with him on first date? thinking that this woman is willing to share ALL with him?"

I would hate to share what my Pisces brother and 2 of my male pisceans friends think to this attitude...but yeah whatever..I guess morals/ethics/culture etc come into it too...

But I see what you mean about the distance thing. I was thinking similarly..i.e this isn't exactly a normal situation..I.e. I am not going to be able to meet up with him every weekend etc and have the luxury of waiting weeks before sleeping with him...

To be honest with you..my instincts will tell me right from wrong..they've never let me down before so I am sure they will speak when the need arises!..We have just become sooooo close and I feel him through every inch of my being at the moment..Its great to feel this way about someone finally!!!...

In fact, I would think the Aries man would be different.

If he was getting ready to hook up with a woman who teased the hell out of him and made him hot, just to get him hooked and desiring and craving the sex .. he is expecting a Goddess .. this is the impression that she has given him, along with being intelligent, I presume.

When in reality, "the mystery is over..I would be bored within days..nothing more to unravel" .. it's just about sex anyway, a game to be played .. because once the sex came out then it's boring and I just dont' think the Aries is looking to be played.

The Aries isn't looking for someone to whom looks respectful, rather, IS ACTUALLY one.

That's just my take .. there's a player, and then there's not. I think MM just wants to play with him .. it's fun, apparantly .. but, once she puts-out .. it's boring and time to move on .. meaning, there is nothing more that is valuable enough to respect.

Wheres, what I was saying is that if I had a connection with this man, I would have no idea for how long or how deep this would connection would run, so I would want to spend it sexually and completely with him rather than just fucking with him and teasing him. I just have more respect for my self than that, is all.

P-Angel: "That's just my take .. there's a player, and then there's not. I think MM just wants to play with him .. it's fun, apparantly "

Its not fun!...its gone way beyond that..I have never played him once, I have been upfront and honest with him from day one..early days are always fun you don't go in with all the deep shit from start..you feel the other opponent out...so its wrong of you to assume I am having fun with him..I know who I am and I don't really need anybody else to tell me that..

Theres a difference between being playful and being played...This is playful..just the way he and I like it at the moment..

P-Angel: "but, once she puts-out .. it's boring and time to move on .. meaning, there is nothing more that is valuable enough to respect."

You misunderstood what I said....When I put out..it means that guy is for keeps...and I would have to be absolutely 110% sure about him before putting out..The boredom thing was in reference to the male perspective..tried and tested...

Awww i lub him....I don't know what to do 😢

Sure you do mm! Have comfort in your own words sweetie and all will be well 😉


"To be honest with you..my instincts will tell me right from wrong..they've never let me down before so I am sure they will speak when the need arises!"

As an Aries....I do not do long distance intimate relationships. I personally need the intimacy for the relationship to work for me.

I have a wonderful male Pisces friend who is in a relationship with a woman who is working a full time job, going to school and is then involved with her outside interests. He hardly sees her - so, I say, "how's that workin' fer ya bud?" He replies, "It isn't"

During our chat he realized that the reason he is involved in this relationship with these particular dynamics is because he is afraid of being hurt and this situation he feels, keeps him safe (cannot get toooo close emotionally). However, he is now realizing that he is missing the closeness that he needs within the relationship. I think he said he was going to end it. We will see.

Personally, I feel that relationships take on a life of their own with each person involved depending on where they each are emotionally and mentally and what needs to be learned.

"but in case of a PISCES man, he will be patient and non-demanding in long distance internet/ phone relation. He will be kind and interested in enjoying this "unseen/ unknown" element... but it is actually BAD for the relation, for the more he is there in unknown, the more is the chance of him falling in love with his mental image than the actuall woman.


Do you see what I mean—
this fantasy element is good or bad for a pisces male and esp for a relation??

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archer .. understanding the Pisces is tricky, no matter how the "getting to know" one another takes place, beit in person or online .. for we percieve the world differently from others.

For non-Pisces people .. they don't have a definition between illusion and reality, where as we do .. this may sound absurd for the words only .. but, here's an example of it right here.

One would say that they gain respect by being a tease .. this is an illusion to being a lady and not actually being one.

A male ram came right out and said, "they like the illusion of a feminine lady" and said this as though, this is reality, eventhough his words clearly said illusion.

Whereas because the Pisces ACTUALLY lives in altered-states simultaneously their entire lives .. we are the ones who actually have a clear definition between the two. There's no wool pulled over our eyes .. being a cock tease IS being a cock tease and in no way would we have ourselves believing that it is the respectful thing to do .. because it's not. In no way would we believe that giving an illusion of a lady is actually one .. we know the difference.

So, in reference to the male Pisces and what you said .. we have a definitive seperation between being in love with a mental image and the actual person, for we ALWAYS have a mental image of what being in love entails, that's how we can tell the difference between the mask and the face when we encounter other people. So, when we meet a person, we can tell immediately whether what we see is an illusion or the real person.

We don't look for impressions, appearances or anything superficial .. and can recognize it immediately if it's present .. whereas non-Pisces can't.

Archer: Good thinking!

P-Angel whilst you give your thoughtful analysis of situations, you do have a habit of twisting statements and getting quite personal with words and phrases you pick up from various comments. Being playful with words is hardly cock teasing..cock teasing would imply not giving up the goods ever..which isn't the case here..And you right, that is inappropriate and unfair..the subject was respect..Would you jump into bed with somebody you deemed appropriate for a future life partner? maybe you would..Respect and admiration for the individual comes first...before any physical intimacy..you have plenty of time for that..If you do, then you are thinking completely differently to me. Each to their own.

No disrespect to you, but during my lifetime Pisces are the only sign out of touch from reality..They are too afraid of reality. Reality bites, they are not comfortable with it..They end up the most bitter and twisted too from what I've observed due to this world not fitting into whatever little bubble they seem to reside in 99% of the time..I've known enough Pisces in my life various ages to come to that conclusion.

Freebird - The long distance thing is a nightmare..I am exactly the same..need intimacy. But long distance isn't so bad when you both have a clear goal in mind..i.e. in such a such time we will be together..then you strive to achieve that goal. As for just having a long distance relationship with no clear goal in mind..I find it pointless...My point of no knowing what to do was really just me being helpless...you know when you just desire the person to be close so you can just bury your head in their chest...awww..lol..

"My point of no knowing what to do was really just me being helpless...you know when you just desire the person to be close so you can just bury your head in their chest...awww..lol.."


Just desire without reality .. leaves a person feeling hopeless, mm.

I'm not surprised that you view the Pisces as out of touch with reality, most people do .. and so we fully understand what someone means when they say that .. we're used to it.

From my perspective .. people's word are twisted themselves .. my aim is to untwist.

You said, you've two spent your time teeeeeeeeeeeeasing one another and now that the time approaches to actually meet, you feel helpless because now action will actually have to match the words .. I'm merely pointing that out. I'm trying to untwist you, in reality.

helpless, I meant .. not hopeless, sorry

P-Angel: "You said, you've two spent your time teeeeeeeeeeeeasing one another and now that the time approaches to actually meet, you feel helpless because now action will actually have to match the words .. I'm merely pointing that out. I'm trying to untwist you, in reality"

No you see there lies the problem. I didn't say that..I think you inferred it that..I don't feel helpless at all..helpless is not a word that falls into my life vocabularly..everything CAN be helped..its just a figure of speech..as in liking someone so much but not being able to touch them due to distance..its out of my control for the moment..Besides the helpless comment wasn't in my original question..

I am not afraid of action meeting reality. I am looking forward to it..~But my question in fact was, would it be expected of me to give up the goods from a male perspective after having such conversations..of course it would..what man would turn down the idea of having sex?..BUT theres sex and then theres the yearning for something more..I don't think the latter can be achieved by jumping straight into bed with someone..

"But my question in fact was, would it be expected of me to give up the goods from a male perspective after having such conversations..of course it would..what man would turn down the idea of having sex?"

Just jumpin for a quickie 😉

MM, I think you know this but......it really does not matter what he expects from you. It is about you and what you are willing to do so that you are happy with yourself in this matter with this new fella.

Yes....men always want to have sex - it feels good why not? That is not the issue here though is it? I believe it is about you and discovering who you are 😉

Have a great time with your new friend, I know how excited you are about your new job, new enviroment and Mr. Aries - whoooooohooooooo!

Rock on!

"I didn't say that..I think you inferred it that"

Actually YOU inferred it ..

"and lets say you've teeeeeeeeeeased the hell out of each other"

I'm just trying to keep you real, is all, for the fact of the matter is, if you really felt like your words to him were of a repsectful nature, presenting yourself as being a Lady, then this question wouldn't be asked in the first place. Now that the time has come, you are now worrying about respect .. just keeping it real, mm.

LOL @ Freebird....Thanks..you rock!!! loving the free spirit...

LOL..You do make me laugh P-Angel. Why does everything have to be a mountain with you...its just light hearted banter..We've formed a strong bond, so he and I feel completely comfortable with whatever we say to each other..theres no issue of me worrying what he'll think of me..he's an open book..direct enough to tell me that..

The question was to get an insight into how the male aries think..being ruled by Mars the planet of passion etc..You see I have two really good Aries friend..one says a relationship is more meaningful to him when he knows the girl is good in bed etc..whilst the other says, I would expect her to make me work for it..so it was to get an idea of what the majority thought..

Like I said, if I feel like jumping into bed with him I will..if I don't..I won't..simple really...

Attention MM!!!!! NEWS BULLITIN

I just got off the phone with Dr. Phil - he says...from a man's pov - don't jump into bed with him straight away. 😉

LOL.....

LMAO..Nutter!

.....but an mm is gonna do what an mm wants to do!

Just have FUN! 🙂

Exactly..Its all about fun..

Who is Dr Phil? theres lots of references to this man...

Yeh....I am a "nutter" allright! Makes for a life full of fun and adventures....know what I mean?

yep, I know you do 🙂

Of course I do...I wouldn't change it for the world...the world needs more nutters (good nutters)...This quote was made for me:

"you call me a psycho like its a bad thing"

Hehe

MM, meet the famous Dr. Phil

http://www.drphil.com

😉 take a cup of coffee with you, he will enjoy the chat!

Grabs bottle of vodka

Opens link

Takes a swig

LOL@ missmorals

be nice now and share with the Dr. 😉

LOL..Guess which one I am reading!

Obsessive Love
?When I think I've seen it all, then I get a wake-up call,? Dr. Phil says of his guests who are involved in a very intense relationship. Jeffrey's obsession with his wife, Jennifer, has careened out of control. He says he loves her so much he goes to extremes to watch her every move. He's tracked her with a GPS device, listened to her phone conversations, trapped her in their home and alienated her from her friends and family. But is there something more sinister Jeffrey's done that he's been hiding? Jennifer says she's ready to leave her controlling and jealous husband once and for all. Has she been up to no good, and is Jeffrey justified in his snooping? Jeffrey wants to save his marriage and family, but is Jennifer willing to stand by him? Dr. Phil unravels the jealously, lies and abuse to see if this marriage can be saved, or if it's really Jennifer who needs to be saved from Jeffrey.

LMAO...