One thing that has been bothering me,

Ok, first allow me to disclaim, this is not a post to bash water or earth signs at all; I love and respect you guys.
My only issue is, I've been coming across a lot of water and earth signs that claim they're way more sensitive than fire and air signs -- now in offended by this because my sun is fire and I have a lot of air in my chart lol; I'm extremely sensitive and compassionate, and I want people to feel embrace and understood by me.
I actually feel that's it's much harder to get a water or earth sign to open up to you and show their sensitive side; they're so guarded. Which again, I'm in no way insulting. I wish I wasn't so open and vulnerable to people. I just think people need to stop saying that fire and air signs aren't as sensitive and sympathetic; we just express it differently.

I guess I've also felt rejected by earth and water signs more easily because they're sooooo choosy with who they're open to. I do have close friends of those elements though, it's only been a few that are closer it. And my reaction to it is my own sensitivity so it's not their fault, it's just something I've gathered from observation and experience.

*a few that are closed off

Posted by Gem87
OP I'm following your posts lately and I've noticed that we have quite same placements if I'm not mistaken (VIT and Libra Moon here)

I confirm everything you just said! Every time I say I'm a Gemini with Aries Rising, people think I'm emotionally detached ??r I lack of empathy.. I'm very sensitive and I get obsessed with the ones I love. I can't let go easily.. The difference between air/fire signs and water/earth signs is that the first ones express their feelings without the fear of being hurt while the seconds are very guarded.

Oh, cool! I have a few planets in Gemini well; I enjoy having an abundance of air in my chart. And I also like having my Venus in Taurus as well, makes me bond deeply and as you said, get slightly on the obsessive side haha
Apparently my Aries sun is 28 degrees so I'm actually closer to Taurus; could explain some things as well lol I'll look into it soon.
I couldn't have said that better! I do fear getting hurt because I often end up putting my heart out there all too often in all sorts of relationships, romantic or platonic; I tend to trust the wrong people lol, but I still keep striving for connection and believing -- it's just not in my nature to be guarded no matter how hard I try. Unless I don't vibe with you at all, then you won't know a thing about me lol but I, unlike most water and earth signs, open up to you if I like you. I don't test you, or push you away. I hate games, I appreciate the rawness of emotions and being vulnerable with people and vice versa.
You were on target with your description.

Sigh. Dxp.


I'm not disproving your sensitivity... Which I think is way different from compassion.

However, its usually easy to see that people who claim to be more sensitive than others are terribly insecure on the inside. They fear getting hurt - as everyone fears it too, but they may have an exaggerated approach to interpersonal relationships because of this fear. Whether sparked by memories of past events or stories of such situations, they choose not to risk the emotional pain.


This emotional vulnerability causes many to place caution high on their priorities list. It means that they require certain terms to be fulfilled before they expose their emotions. And, usually, those terms are satisfied or not by the way the other person expresses him or herself.

If you express your sensitivity and empathy differently from that of your water and earth sign friends, then it means you are unable to understand them as they require you to.


And it becomes natural for them to accuse you of insensitivity.

Naturally, being compassionate means you understand this and either leave them to their devices or try to understand them better. Ironically, getting hurt because they accuse you of insensitivity is rather proving their point.

Its not about you

037,
I'm aware that they're different, I'm both sensitive and compassionate. And I completely understand a person's need to protect themselves and remain guarded. I actually envy this ability. I unfortunately am unable to hide my emotions and appear unaffected by those I interact with. And along with that inability, I find myself overcompensating with people pleasing; trying to make everyone around me comfortable and at ease. This includes the few water and earth signs that have not gotten close to me. But not because they consciously chose not, but because they haven't gotten to know me yet. My air placements simply make me more open and want to talk more. And when around the introverted water and earth personalities, I tend to find myself mirroring their vibes in hopes that they'll gain comfort. I'm true to my Libra moon and rising; I always mirror energy.
So I wasn't really saying people with signs of these elements don't feel understood or don't want to connect with me; I've simply heard these things said by water and earth signs I know who ended up having no idea that I was a sun sign with air placements because of my mirroring default. And they've actually all become my friend.

They never accused me personally if it. The men I date have always been Cancers, Scorpios and Tauruses oddly enough. Many of them told me in their own way how they cherished my ability to understand them.
I was simply saying it bothered me when I heard people of those elements exclaim that those of fire and air are the least sensitive. I never said they claimed I had a lack of empathy.
I suppose this topic wasn't conveyed properly, but I thought it was interesting to discuss and see if any others had ever heard something along these lines.

I just realized that I said they ALL became my friend lol not all, but most. There are a few who simply don't know me as a person yet and choose to stick to their trusted circle. One day.

Oh @ XO- I know how you feel I do. Keep positive and your head up. Everything is going to be okay.

Well, my understanding of Libra energy is not that it mirrors, but that it tries to balance.
Anyway, its a good thing to try to understand others more.

There's a movie currently playing in theaters called Inside Out. My son and I watched it a couple of days ago, and this thread reminds me of it a lot!

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Posted by 037
If you express your sensitivity and empathy differently from that of your water and earth sign friends, then it means you are unable to understand them as they require you to.


And it becomes natural for them to accuse you of insensitivity.

Naturally, being compassionate means you understand this and either leave them to their devices or try to understand them better. Ironically, getting hurt because they accuse you of insensitivity is rather proving their point.

Its not about you

This is a two - way street, isn't it? If they accuse you of insensitivity because you don't express the same way they do, how much do they really understand about you? Are they really that much more compassionate than you?

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They probably understand nothing, and they blatantly show it by not opening up to the other person. Which means this is not a two-way street after all.

One strives, while the other remains adamant.

Posted by 037
Well, my understanding of Libra energy is not that it mirrors, but that it tries to balance.
Anyway, its a good thing to try to understand others more.

There's a movie currently playing in theaters called Inside Out. My son and I watched it a couple of days ago, and this thread reminds me of it a lot!

Balance, whatever it may be; I know that I go off of what others are conveying to me. If you're bubbly, I'm bubbly, if you're quiet, I'll be just as reserved -- I don't want to bombard people with the wrong sort of energy; I like it to flow and for us all to be in harmony. That sounds so hippie-like, but it's just my nature lol

And I believe you're missing my point, continuously telling me that I need to try to understand others. That's all I ever try to do, and I'm explaining my tendency to overcompensate when trying have others feel understood. I feel as though you're not noticing that the water and earth signs I know that made that statement are actually doing the opposite of what you're telling me to do; I think that was a lack of understanding on their part.

Besides, like I already said, sensitivity and compassion are two different things. Not all sensitive people can apply that sensitivity to other situations but theirs. However, I believe all humankind is capable of compassion.

Posted by FirstDecanTaurianWomen0428
Oh @ XO- I know how you feel I do. Keep positive and your head up. Everything is going to be okay.

Is this directed to me? Lol my apologies, I just don't know what "XO" means on here.

Please, I haven't said any where that you need to understand anyone.

I suggested you either leave them to it or try to fit in. Your expression being different is the source of conflict that they have expressed, and which you are trying to 'rectify'.

Unless, you believe they should express their energy like you do yours.

You are who you are. They are who they are. If you can't gel together, you either leave or compromise.

@XoMelindabelle- That was for you to know, i just shortened your SN..

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Posted by 037
If you express your sensitivity and empathy differently from that of your water and earth sign friends, then it means you are unable to understand them as they require you to.


And it becomes natural for them to accuse you of insensitivity.

Naturally, being compassionate means you understand this and either leave them to their devices or try to understand them better. Ironically, getting hurt because they accuse you of insensitivity is rather proving their point.

Its not about you

This is a two - way street, isn't it? If they accuse you of insensitivity because you don't express the same way they do, how much do they really understand about you? Are they really that much more compassionate than you?

They probably understand nothing, and they blatantly show it by not opening up to the other person. Which means this is not a two-way street after all.

One strives, while the other remains adamant.

...and that's my frustration here... I can't communicate my intent, care, and empathy correctly, without appearing like I'm obsessive or robotic. I always tend to feel misunderstood while I spend a great deal of time trying to understand earth placements.

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Its a frustration on both sides, I can tell you that.

My biggest struggle is with air and fire signs because they worry too much. Sometimes, if an air dominant person is talking too much, I can tune them out. But that is seen as closing off. Do I want to be alone? Fire sees it as playing hot and cold. Or consider it rejection.

Sigh

I'm a fire sign, water dominant.

You used to know me as Jynja

Posted by 037
Please, I haven't said any where that you need to understand anyone.

I suggested you either leave them to it or try to fit in. Your expression being different is the source of conflict that they have expressed, and which you are trying to 'rectify'.

Unless, you believe they should express their energy like you do yours.

You are who you are. They are who they are. If you can't gel together, you either leave or compromise.

I had just noticed that you said it's always good to try to understand others in a response to me; perhaps that was a general statement, and I misconstrued it. It is good to try and understand others, I try too hard to sometimes, perhaps to a fault. But I was also already feeling like you were speaking more in favor of water and earth signs, and how they need to be understood before understanding where I was coming from. Now, this is just me expressing how something in your response made me feel -- not an accusation; this is simply my perception. I don't believe it was your intent at all. And if I misunderstood what you were trying to convey to me, that is obviously my fault and I in no way am attempting to insult or argue with you. I'm only clarifying. My apologies if you feel I took things out of context.

This post was not meant to create an issue or arguments between water/earth and fire/air signs at all. I love signs from all the elements and I firmly believe we can all learn from each other.

I would never expect them to express their energy in the way that I do, not in the slightest. I believe in fairness and letting people be who they are. It was not my intent to make water/earth signs to feel as though I think they should feel things differently; it was just a recent experience I'd had hearing these people voice their strong opinions about air and fire signs. And I was wondering if others on this forum had experienced something similar.

I'm actually interested to know why so many Cancers, Scorpios and Tauruses are attracted to me. And perhaps this post is really becoming an outlet for me to discover why I find myself so drawn to these aloof, mysterious signs? Who knows. I just find it all very interesting.

Posted by FirstDecanTaurianWomen0428
@XoMelindabelle- That was for you to know, i just shortened your SN..

Oh jeeze, I was clearly much too sleepy to notice -- DUH. It was already past my bedtime at that point; tired brain lol thank you for understanding, love!

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Posted by xomelindabelle
I guess I've also felt rejected by earth and water signs more easily because they're sooooo choosy with who they're open to. I do have close friends of those elements though, it's only been a few that are closer it. And my reaction to it is my own sensitivity so it's not their fault, it's just something I've gathered from observation and experience.

I understand what you're saying. It's very common to see on this website that fire and air placements are to blame for any wrongdoing that occurs in any situation. All air signs are liars and all fire signs are cheaters. Airs signs are cold and insensitive and fire signs are selfish and brash. It's laughable really. There is such a lack of understanding because everyone is looking for an easy answer and a scapegoat.

The truth is that all signs have the capability to be all of these things (and their opposite) in equal measure. The only difference is how its done.

Earth and water elemented people are more naturally guarded and cautious than fire and air. There's nothing wrong with that. Many of them wish they could be more like you (open and vulnerable), but it's hard for them because it's going against the grain. I've always envied caps for their ability to stay focused and not get distracted or carried away with anything that will keep them from achieving their goal. I just can't be that way, but I've come to realize that I'm not MEANT to be that way. I'm meant to be who I am and they are meant to be who they are. The challenge is in accepting that and trying to learn from each other so we can improve ourselves the best we can.

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Totally, we do tend to be blamed a lot. I actually here it a lot more from my sister who's a Pisces Sun, Cancer Moon and Scorpio Rising. Not particularly about me, but that fire and air signs just 'don't get it'. Ok, well I'm an open-minded person; help me understand whatever it is that you refuse to divulge to me but claim we don't understand. I always try to embrace, love and support her.
And yet everytime I try to open up to her, she brushes me off -- she's quite cold and distant with her expression and very selective with whom she reveals it to. Perhaps I just won't be one of the chosen ones and

Dang it, it cut me off! xl

Totally, we do tend to be blamed a lot. I actually here it a lot more from my sister who's a Pisces Sun, Cancer Moon and Scorpio Rising. Not particularly about me, but that fire and air signs just 'don't get it'. Ok, well I'm an open-minded person; help me understand whatever it is that you refuse to divulge to me but claim we don't understand. I always try to embrace, love and support her.
And yet everytime I try to open up to her, she brushes me off -- she's quite cold and distant with her expression and very selective with whom she reveals it to. Perhaps I just won't be one of the chosen ones and that's ok. I just used to try so hard to get her talk and connect with her but it just hasn't ever happened. The majority of my life she's simply pushed me away, for no known reason really. At this point, I'm just going to let her have her process and let it go. Just because we're sisters does not mean we absolutely have to be close. It just hurts my very open heart sometimes knowing she really doesn't want to lol and I get a bit resentful when she claims to be 'miss sensitive' when I feel she has not one iota of compassion for me. It is what is, though. And I notice that it really irks me when she tells me she loves me, because I don't feel that she's ever backed that up.
Perhaps her opinion on air and fire signs has bothered me the most due to a feeling of hypocrisy? Who knows.
My other sister is Taurus Sun, Scorpio Moon and Scorpio rising and we get along swimmingly -- I suppose it just depends on the person.

Yes, we all to. The key thing to remember is the difference of expression.

Definitely nothing wrong with that, I envy that ability as I said previously. I try to be guarded but it's just not really possible for me. As you shared, it's just not in my nature. I could get hurt a million times over and still want to be completely open to the next person. I care greatly about bonding. Which is why I find myself being drawn to some water and earth signs because we do have that kinship. That's probably my Venus in Taurus, and Libras do like to be bonded as well. I'm just torn and indecisive here, clearly lol
That's certainly the challenge and I loce it. I'm extremely open to and love learning from different perspectives! 🙂

Posted by Vanish
It's a different kind of sensitivity. Libra placements make people cry babies over harsh words and disagreements. Earth suns arent talking about that. They're referring to how they get when they love another person. Earth signs get irritated over a lot of shit that would never cross a fire/air signs mind on its own. Earth signs are always watching you. They need you to be loyal and honest and not shady which is what Libra moons exude no offense.

These are the kinds of generalizations that bother me; not once did I say that water or earth signs as a whole ARE a certain way or ACT a certain way; I've said I've just heard from a few about their disinterest in fire and earth signs due to 'lack of sensitivity', which is another unfair generalization. And I'm loyal as hell and certainly not shady; my bond is unwavering. And I'm certainly no crybaby, at least not publically. I'm extremely private about my feelings; if you hurt me, you'll probably never know it. I'm very prideful and only show that hurt to those I trust the most that I need support from. But I'm more than willing to openly hurt, cry and feel for others in pain. That isn't private to me, that's human beings understanding each other.
Do you know every Libra moon? Everyone with a Libra placement? Clearly, no. I would just appreciate a little open-mindedness to air and fire signs and they way we operate as well.

wecarealot,
That can be true, I find similarities in my family's chart but then also differences. My Day is Virgo Sun, Sag Rising and Leo Moon. My mom: Leo sun, Libra rising, Cancer Moon. Oldest Brother: Aries Sun, Gemini Rising, Gemini Moon (he and I get along PERFECTLY, shocker lol) Second eldest brother: Aries Sun, Cancer Rising, Taurus Moon. And I already listed my sisters. So a bit of a mix, but still similar in many ways. What do you make of that?
And yes, it did make sense.

It's very hard for me to get along with my triple water sister because she's so closed off. It hurts me alot, she even tends to ignore me when I'm speaking. But says later that I don't try to connect enough. UM, REALLY?? She just strikes me as a bit mean sometimes, but I still love her. I always found my brother with the fire and air placements like me to be extremely sensitive as well. I'm not surprised that I understand him quite well.
I've always grown up yearning to be connected, my sisters used to joke about me wanting to hug too much and love everyone. It's just my placements, can't help it lol

Posted by wecarealot
Also, to get back on-topic:

Now that I think about it, I've had similar issues as xomelindabelle with folks with heavy earth and water placements. I've often been accused of being unemotional and shallow--not in a vain sense but in a "you don't feel things very deeply, do you?" kind of way. It has bothered me because I felt like people didn't understand me and saw me as being two dimensional/not ~complicated~. I also like to get along with people (thanks Libra placements!) and grew up hating feeling left out. And yes, also similar to xomelindabelle, I developed people-pleasing tendencies as a result, to my own embarrassment and self-frustration. Nothing crazy, but I did change my personality to come across more like my Moon conjunct Ascendant--understanding and sympathetic even when I feel everything BUT those feelings.

It's only recently that I've learned to let these tendencies go. I am a sensitive person in the sense that I'm easily hurt (what Vanish said about Libran placements is very true, lol), but I'm not a very compassionate person. I find it hard to feel badly for people unless they're children or old people. So I guess I am shallow in that way.

Really? I'm very sorry that people actually made accusations about you like that. I've never had anyone tell me I don't feel very deeply, in fact it's been the opposite. Things like "Gosh, you feel too extremely." "Don't take it so personally." "Are you really crying for them? It's not that bad." or "You're the nicest person I know, and to a fault. Not everyone has to be friends and nice to each other." I find myself getting HIGHLY protective of those who are being picked on or hurt. So I actually don't have a hard time with compassion. I've been called highly empathetic. But I don't think that makes you shallow at all. The way you feel is your process. Forget about everyone else. I do totally understand what you mean about feeling left out a lot, though. I had a very solitary childhood, my triple water sister making it her mission to exclude me constantly. I believe she resented me as the youngest child a lot. And her vengeful watery placements could have played a part. But I felt very unaccepted and hated by this sister; in case you couldn't tell, there's still very deep wounds there.

"Balance, whatever it may be; I know that I go off of what others are conveying to me. If you're bubbly, I'm bubbly, if you're quiet, I'll be just as reserved -- I don't want to bombard people with the wrong sort of energy"

I often am this way as well. I understand what you mean by "mirroring." I think this is where people label Libra energies as being phony or superficial. I'm sure with some it is but some people, myself being one, have other energies in the chart that gives the ability to actually feel the energies of others and therefore it is completely genuine.

Sidenote: Pet peeve of mine is when someone (or me) is feeling quiet or reserved and some bafoon comes along all, "HEY CHEER UP SMILE HA HA!" Omg, stfu..

Agree 1,000% . Once again, Sugarfoot FTW!

"It's laughable really. There is such a lack of understanding because everyone is looking for an easy answer and a scapegoat."

Xome, I agree with everything you've said in this thread. It irritates me as well. I think some feel they have an irrefutable superpower to understand in completely accuracy and depth all of a person just off first impressions or instinct. While I don't deny that some have this ability to a degree I believe lots of people overestimate their own assumptions of others.

I'm sad to hear of your relationship with your sister and I can understand how you feel.

Posted by duchesslibro
"Balance, whatever it may be; I know that I go off of what others are conveying to me. If you're bubbly, I'm bubbly, if you're quiet, I'll be just as reserved -- I don't want to bombard people with the wrong sort of energy"

I often am this way as well. I understand what you mean by "mirroring." I think this is where people label Libra energies as being phony or superficial. I'm sure with some it is but some people, myself being one, have other energies in the chart that gives the ability to actually feel the energies of others and therefore it is completely genuine.

Sidenote: Pet peeve of mine is when someone (or me) is feeling quiet or reserved and some bafoon comes along all, "HEY CHEER UP SMILE HA HA!" Omg, stfu..

I seriously feel like it's mirroring energy; they say all air signs are prone to this; we feed off of the energy of others. I've read that people find this mirroring/chameleon effect to be 'phony' or 'artificial' but on the contrary, I think it allows us to get to understand and feel you out more. And my other placements are a lot of Taurus and Capricorn, and then a Pluto in Scorpio and my North Node is Pisces. Not sure if that all affects how I deal with others, but my mirror ability has never been used to fake people out. It's always so I can get closer to a person and make them feel comfortable -- it feels very natural to people with air placements.
Haha yes that can be annoying, unless it's a gentle nudge into positivity -- but don't shove your loudness or 'upbeat mood' in my face lol so I get it, there's a balance. HAH, my Libra is showing lol

Posted by duchesslibro
Xome, I agree with everything you've said in this thread. It irritates me as well. I think some feel they have an irrefutable superpower to understand in completely accuracy and depth all of a person just off first impressions or instinct. While I don't deny that some have this ability to a degree I believe lots of people overestimate their own assumptions of others.

I'm sad to hear of your relationship with your sister and I can understand how you feel.

Thank you, I appreciate the support! Exactly! It's just the hypocrisy of it that can bug me with certain earth and water signs. And as I said, some water and earth signs, never all.
Thanks, it has been quite the tumultuous relationship and part of me really doesn't understand why it ever was that way. But at this point, it just is what it is. We won't be close; she chooses her people. And I'll stick to the ones who accept me for me.

The most emotionally gourded and reserved people are also the most sensitive. Or the easiest to hurt.

Posted by Theatrum
The most emotionally gourded and reserved people are also the most sensitive. Or the easiest to hurt.

I'm sorry, but I don't agree with that. That may be what some very sensitive people need, but not me. I'm just as sensitive, but always open. I can't help it. I'm highly sensitive, affected by anything and everything around me. And I'm really not that guarded. I'm a bleeding heart who's constantly searching for love an acceptance and a supreme bond. I'm a walking open wound sometimes, and I'm not great at protecting how sensitive I am.

Like a few of us have stated on this thread, signs for each element are capable of high levels of sensitivity and compassion -- it's simply conveyed differently.

I haven't read the entire thread but I understand the first few posts and I agree. My chart is 40% Water and 30% Earth so I know emotional guardedness. I even had a recent encounter with a Scorpio man who told me I was the most distant and guarded person he had met. He's from abroad so he's learnt what it takes to make people open up more easily but I resisted greatly, for diverse reasons but mostly because he was being intrusive and making me feel like my coldness and by extension, myself, was very weird. Mind you, his chart was mostly Aquarius, Libra and Mars in Aries, the clash was inevitable.

I actually feel very much like your pisces sister, my entire family is Air/Fire dominant, all Libra Moons and I definitely do not see eye to eye with any of them and think they lack sensitivity and compassion towards everything in life (difference in ideologies, tastes, etc.). This is funny because that's what they feel about me since I've shut them out of my life since I was a kid and I did it exactly because they've made me feel shit all my life and my coldness was my reaction.
You're judging your sister on the fact that she freezes you out, but coldness is caused by emotions; because someone is distant doesn't mean they don't feel intensely and I think that's what you don't seem to understand.
The reason can be different from one person to another but with my siblings, I don't open up to them because they're gossipy and make jokes about everything I say and we're just different on many points. My not opening up does not mean I hate them, they're just not people I would trust with my innermost feelings and thoughts. The last time we spoke they thought my depression was just me being lazy, I only ever hear that from Air/Fire people.


I'm not saying Earth/Water are any better though, I wish I was less selective and guarded and not so terribly cold, I've had many lost opportunities with several love interests because I took so long and only trust a selected few, it's a lonely life to live.

But yes, personal story aside, Air/Fire seem to gauge emotional depth by how much is expressed while Earth/Water just tend to sense if they're on the same emotional plane or not, then they'll open up. Poking and probing is not the way to go though.

I'm actually not judging her, I gave her her space long ago. She's the one who chose to go out of her way to torment me and disregard my sensitivity and emotions since birth. She does not act cold because she feels misunderstood, we've always been a warm and loving family. She literally used the words "I have a hard time allowing my family to love me." that makes me sad got her, because I have no idea where it comes from. I felt like the odd one iut growing up, not her. And I didn't deserved to have my existence ignored by this person. She will seriously be in front of my face and not listen to a word I'm saying -- my voice isn't important enough to her. And as a child I pleaded with myself that one day my sister would accept and embrace me. I've given up at this point. If my open and vulnerable emotions are not her cup of tea, then by all means I hope she finds someone who helps her feel safe. I was actually the one who felt left out and misunderstood growing up. I'm being serious here, I feel like you water and earth signs are condoning unfair treatment. Guess what? We have feelings too and want to feel understood just as much. And get this, her best friend is a Libra, and super artificial. I don't trust that girl as far as I can throw her. She's the bad side of a Libra in my opinion and the opposite of my sister. So what do you make of that? Do I think she has my sister's best interest at heart? Nope. But my sister has her path. And hopefully one day she'll allow herself to understand others as well instead of shutting them out. It honestly is a two way street.

And by the way, my other sister is Taurus sun and Scorpio moon and Scorpio rising; we get along perfectly.

They must not have strong Libra placements because I'm especially sensitive to life around me. And everything in it. How about trying to look at it from another perspective? I've been making an effort to understand water and earth signs for years and I've learned how to make them feel comfortable. My only issue is that I notice some of you guys don't want to meet us half way and just claim that you're misunderstood. Before giving is a chance. We're all human beings at ge end of the day.

And I suffer from depression and anxiety; that is not just a water or earth sign burden. They're clearly extremely insensitive to you. I can promise you that not all air and fire signs act this way. Certainly not me.

I kinda feel bad for your sister. You would irritate the hell out of me.

Do you have any hobbies? Are you in school? Apart of any clubs? I suggest you stop being so hung up on your sister and venture into the world. There are billions of people on this planet. Go find some that want to hang out with you and appreciate your company and energy.

I don't even talk to my sister, are you guys that oblivious? I've been saying I let her go long ago, despite the early childhood emotional abuse. Of course I have hobbies and interests. I have a job a life and abundance of love in my life. God, find a nicer way to communicate. For fuck's sake.

Make every excuse in the book for water signs and their mistakes, but condemn air/fire signs for expressing their hurt feelings. Insane.

Posted by champranger
No offense intended Magenta_Azure. I just think your post makes a perfect example of the point that's been made this thread.

No offense. 🙂

+++++1!!

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Posted by liya92
The last time we spoke they thought my depression was just me being lazy, I only ever hear that from Air/Fire people.

First and foremost, this is not something I would say to someone who's suffering depression because, as I understand, it makes the person in question feel more that others don't understand them. I have anxiety myself.

But question is, do you understand why they said that? Do you understand what their intent was, when they said that? Isn't because they want to see you do something about your depression so you can be happier?

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I'm not saying all of you say that, it's just what I've noticed but obviously depression is not exclusive to Earth/Water like we have some privilege on being mentally ill.

And yes, I do understand why they said that and that they wish for my well-being, but it's not helping at all and that's what they don't grasp, just the fact that emotions rule so much in and around me that I sometimes cannot control it. It's a different understanding of emotional responses that just clash all the time.


@xomelindabelle - Opening up to the world seems easier for you than it is for them. You're asking them to do something that is inherently out of character, it's a lot of effort and it's not natural and edging on painful to some. Some daily tasks have different levels of difficulties depending on the person, you'll have air/fire signs who cannot express one deep emotion and you'll have earth/water signs who will open up to you on a whim and vice versa, it happens. What exactly is it that makes you think Earth/Water are insensitive? Is your sense of sensitivity related to what we show?

I'll admit I don't really understand what it is you're accusing Earth/Water signs of. I've read your entire thread and are you just pissed that air and fire signs often get blamed for lack of sensitivity? I'm just trying to put out my point of view but if it's just annoyance at the general public then I doubt I can be much help.

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Posted by Theatrum
The most emotionally gourded and reserved people are also the most sensitive. Or the easiest to hurt.

I'm sorry, but I don't agree with that. That may be what some very sensitive people need, but not me. I'm just as sensitive, but always open. I can't help it. I'm highly sensitive, affected by anything and everything around me. And I'm really not that guarded. I'm a bleeding heart who's constantly searching for love an acceptance and a supreme bond. I'm a walking open wound sometimes, and I'm not great at protecting how sensitive I am.

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You don't have to. it's simple psychology. why put up the walls if there's nothing behind them? there must be something worth guarding there. to the person who put them up at least. I know that's how feminine dominant energy functions.

Sensitivity is not something that we can measure. You know best how your sensitivity works.

liya92:

Haha no , air and fire signs are not exempt from metal illness either. And I myself don't think you're saying we all would have an unkind reaction to your depression. I think you're actually articulating yourself very well. I just felt like you hadn't originally understood what my point was, and I can see why. Many posters on this thread have strayed from the topic, including myself. I will elaborate my initial stance, my airy ways are getting me to be all over the place lol I do apologize.

And I actually have to agree with you on this point, liya. Even if it came from a place of concern, it was still an insensitive way to present that to you. I would be deeply hurt and become very introverted, isolated and want to retreat. That in no way helps someone suffering with depression. I could see how you clash with them; that was just mean. I'm sorry they did not support you in the way that was needed.

You know, now that I think of it, I am open to the world and my feelings and I know how to communicate them; absolutely. However, I've noticed that in relationships I do have a tendency to become closed off and push men away and pretend like they don't affect me. I've had men I've dated complain about this before. But I'm more than willing to be openly compassionate for them or anyone who needs it. So perhaps I'm conflicted with a few elements in my chart? And maybe I'm starting to discover how I operate all together. I have severe trust issues with men, and people I befriend. Like if I can see myself becoming close with them, and then they let me down, I tend to retreat or go under the radar; disappear if you will. I'm very cautious with that so I can totally understand water and earth signs in that respect. Perhaps my emotions are a mixture of the two tendencies? I'm open to discussion of feelings and how people can unite, but if you have the ability to hurt me on a romantic or any sort of bonding level then I'm scared. I'm just starting to realize I must be confusing my outward compassionate love for the world around me with how I deal with deep, intimate connections. Because now that I look at it, it's extremely different. I have a lot of earth placements, including Taurus in Venus in my chart, Jupiter in the 8th house and Scorpio Pluto in 1st -- someone on this forum just shared that with me; it may create an influence.
I in no way would ever think that an earth or water sign was insensitive -- I deeply appreciate your depth, insight and unw

avering ability to love wholeheartedly. In fact, I would trust an earth or water sign more when it comes to love; I'm scared sometimes that air and fire signs that I get along with on a friendly and light level could leave at the drop of a hat; they're more prone to inconsistency. Crap, maybe I really am a mixture of the open and the guarded? Great, how self-conflicting lol
My whole point of this thread was really to express that I was a bit bothered by something that a few of my water sign friends had said about air and fire signs lacking emotion and depth. That was all. But, I can see where they're coming from in some respects.
I've been a bit scattered with my points on this post due to getting defensive, so pardon me for that.


I do believe that your insight can help, especially if I'm giving you a bit more information. I'm having a bit of an identity crisis it seems right now. Feeling confused with how I connect. I can understand the perspective from air/fire and earth/water. Someone help this highly confused individual! lol

Fair point. If you read what I just posted in response to liya, I think it will give a little more insight on my confusion. I seem to be very conflicted, and it's taken me awhile to discover this. For years my contradictory emotions made me feel a bit unbalanced to say the least lol But if you wouldn't mind reading what I wrote as well? And perhaps consider giving me a little of your insight?

Theatrum, my last post was for you.

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I am curious. May I ask what is your chart like OP? 🙂

Sun in Aries 28 Degrees (bordering on Taurus), Ascendant in Libra 21 degrees, Moon in Libra 06 degrees, Mercury in Taurus 14 degrees, Venus in Taurus 02 degrees, Mars in Gemini 23 degrees, Jupiter in Gemini 07 degrees, Saturn in Capricorn 13 degrees, Uranus in Capricorn 05 degrees, Neptune in Capricorn 12 degrees, Pluto in Scorpio 14 degrees, North Node in Pisces 03 degrees.

Apparently my sun is in the twelfth house, my Jupiter in the 8th, my Pluto is in the 1st house. I'm not sure if any of this is helping much or how much you know lol but please, let me know if this gives you a better understanding.

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Posted by champranger
I am curious. May I ask what is your chart like OP? 🙂

Sun in Aries 28 Degrees (bordering on Taurus), Ascendant in Libra 21 degrees, Moon in Libra 06 degrees, Mercury in Taurus 14 degrees, Venus in Taurus 02 degrees, Mars in Gemini 23 degrees, Jupiter in Gemini 07 degrees, Saturn in Capricorn 13 degrees, Uranus in Capricorn 05 degrees, Neptune in Capricorn 12 degrees, Pluto in Scorpio 14 degrees, North Node in Pisces 03 degrees.

Apparently my sun is in the twelfth house, my Jupiter in the 8th, my Pluto is in the 1st house. I'm not sure if any of this is helping much or how much you know lol but please, let me know if this gives you a better understanding.

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for having sun in 12th,and having 8th, you seem very very open though, especially talking about feelings.

talking about feelings = air moon.