opinions on this guy? Good or bad? he's a leo

So me and this guy have been dating for like a year now before this we were like best friends. Its all good when we meet up, it's fun and we get along for the most part, he'l constantly make fun of me in a friendly teasing way of course and takes care of me at the time. But for me there are a few issues and i've put up with it a long while, recently it's been getting too much to handle though because I knew how he was with his exes in comparison.

With one ex for example he wrote her love letters and was so affectionate towards her brought her gifts, celebrated her birthday and valentines day, the other ex I saw the kind of stuff he wrote to her in text messages. Like caring thoughtful messages. even I miss you, I wanna hold you, I love you etc etc. So that's one thing that's missing, any kind of emotion. Im not an overly emotional person myself but it would be nice for him to show me some expression of emotion. I guess it's weird because we started as friends and at that transition point he said he felt more for me and he likes me in the more than friends way as his feelings developed. But since that point he just doesn't express himself. I don't much either but as the man I expect it from him first.

when I bring it up he comes out with all kinds of reasons such as the previous women gave him sex and that love is physical and emotional and he does bring that up a lot. I don't believe in sex before marriage. he says he holds back because of that as if ill get all the emotions if I give.him the physical side of things.

The next issue is in between us meeting up he barely initiates messages, but when I do he's pretty friendly enough and replies quick enough, when I stop initiating for a while he'l be like.where have you been why didn't I message and I thnk well why didn't you.

The last few weeks I became moodier with.him as evrything was building up. First I said let's meet on tuesday about two weeks back he was lik I should know he doesn't meet on tuesday and to meet friday (he makes a fuss over what day we can meet too ) or the following week, I said ok but I was ill the following week ..n then the week after that which ws last week he cancelled because he has to help his friend with his wedding plans, but most of that week I knew he ws simply going out with his friends and enjoying himself. BUT he dd say he hadn't seen them in months so I thought ok fine.

I got a little angry over all that still and he just laughed at me n said why am I going so crazy but when I stopped talking to him for a while he kept messaging me trying to cheer me up and then said ok we.can go away on holiday for a few days. That's the only time in a long time he's made an effort to keep me in is life.

Two days ago now what happened was I showed him a picture of a couple of instagram and said they look so in love and look what he says about her. I said you should be more affectionate like.him you're just cold and empty. He then proceeded to make a comment which did it for me. He said maybe if you dressed up like the woman and actually made an effort to dress up I would be like that with you. he was half joking half being serious but that really didn't help. its like he's coming up with yet another reason why he isn't the way I want him to be.

he then said if you need help I can get you someone who can help you dress better. Also it doesn't help the fact that I know he follows about 700 woman on instagram whther they're make up artists or models, but complete randoms. Its just weird to me to follow that many woman. I usually stick to a few celebrities maybe and a few people I know.

anyway that was enough for me at that time I just flipped and said you know what you do what you like and I'll do what I like and he said alright good luck so I blocked.him on social media. and we havnt spoken since.

I just don't know what to do now did I take it.too much to heart because he is constantly kidding around with me and am I over reacting. I feel like deep down he definitely has a soft spot for me since we have been friends for a good eight years now and it ws better when we wer friends because since it.became "more" iv just not seen eye to eye with him and he doesn't give me what I want I.e the emotions and according to him I don't give.him anything sexually and that's what he wants

So there's both an astrological and biological standpoint here that will both need to be explained. Prepare yourself for a long read. Also what is your sign?

You may not be doing it for him romantically.

Before I make it seem like this entire scenario is the fault of one individual, let me make it clear that you are BOTH at fault here. There is a clear lack of emotional maturity and communication between you two. You are misunderstanding each other on some basic levels, that I'll clarify:

First, the reason why your Leo isn't acting lovey dovey and being as emotional as he was with his exes is because he was burned in the past (more than once). Leos tend to be extremely loving/gushy in our first few relationships, but become more guarded with each break up. This is because our biggest strength and our biggest weakness is our heart. From personal experience I also used to write love letters, notes, etc, but stopped after the first couple of heartbreaks. As I matured and realized that the amount of effort I was putting out wasn't always appreciated.

Also Leo men like to be genuine, spontaneous, and fun in our relationships. We don't like to repeat the same routines, especially if those routines blew up in our faces in the past. There's a really good chance that he has negative memories attached to those exes who received his loves notes. Why try to force that out of him.

Astrology aside, even as a guy it becomes clear that not all women are made equal. Some appreciate love notes, some do not. That's not to say that a guy can't write a love note to his girlfriend from time to time, but it's not something that you should expect. It should be a surprise more so than the status quo. Making a demand for more love notes only tarnishes it.

Also know that you're ideas on sex probably differ greatly from his. Some people believe in sex before marriage and some people don't. Understand that this alone may be a big dividing line between the two of you. Neither idea is wrong, but you want to make sure you're in a relationship where the needs of both parties are being met. If the Leo doesn't feel the same intimacy with you as he felt with his exes, that could explain his hesitation to open up emotionally to you. Likewise, if you don't feel that sex is a necessary component to your relationship prior to marriage, you'll want to find a man who agrees with that wholeheartedly.

Next know that you are the woman and he is the man. For some reason there is this myth that men are supposed to be the ones who emotionally bond in the relationship. This often leads to a lot of confusion. Men are the ones who initiate, this is true, but we aren't the emotional ones. We're the ones who are taught to be "tough" and "not cry" when we're boys. Women are the typically the more emotional beings. There are a lot of biological and psychological reasons for this, but know that men are designed to want a physical connection in relationships while women are designed to want an emotional one. As a species we trade one connection for the other.

Beyond that your next complaint seems a bit controlling on your part. Leos are generally busy people. I also prefer to meet with people on Fridays rather than Tuesdays, usually because of work (for example my birthday was last Tuesday and I barely celebrated that day until I was persuaded by a friend. I even told a few friends I didn't plan to do anything since I prefer the weekends).

It sounds like the Leo is probably similar and has a healthy social life. If you want to have a healthy relationship with him, that shouldn't be an issue for you. If he hasn't seen his friends in a month because he's been with you and/or working, then you have no reason to be upset with him. You getting angry over something like this makes you seem high maintenance.

After that you started acting passive aggressively and gave him the silent treatment instead of communicating like an adult. A healthy relationship must have open communication, otherwise it won't work. Honestly, his mistake was condoning your behavior. He should have put his foot down and called you out instead of trying to bribe you with a vacation. Instead he rewarded your behavior which was a quick way to instill a bad habit.

Beyond that everything else went downhill from there. It sounds like even thoguh you criticized and nagged him about his lack of affection often, he never actually ignored you in any way. It sounds like he was present, but he's not meeting your (potentially unrealistic) expectations. Showing him a picture of another couple and criticizing was childish. Again his mistake was condoning your behavior. He should have once again put his foot down and called you out on this.

Let me reiterate that you are not entirely at fault here, since it takes two to tango. The Leo should not have insulted your appearance. That was rude and ignorant of him. In fact the reason you may have been less feminine around him lately was literally because your emotional needs weren't being met (more on this later). Guys do not always understand that arguing with women isn't always appropriate either. We hear the words, but have a hard time listening between the lines. So instead of listening to you, your Leo became defensive and retaliated. This of course made you feel unheard and unloved.

Granted you haven't been an angel in all of this, but he should have acknowledged your feelings. Due to this you've been slowly shutting down on him and because he doesn't know how to respond to this, he's only making it worse. As you have backed away, he has become even more stubborn.

Another problem is that you keep taking the passive aggressive route. You blew up at him, ran out, and blocked him, thereby cutting off any potential healthy communication between you two. As I said before, a relationship can not survive without healthy communication. If you have a concern with him, you need to voice it directly like an adult and then hear him out. Sounds like you've been making more demands than anything else.

Furthermore you try too hard to control things, including him. This is especially difficult to do when dealing with a Leo man (or any man in general). Leo men always want to be in control of our own lives and we do not like to be bossed around or nagged. If that happens, we become obstinate and even more difficult to control. Leos can be very stubborn so it takes a cool and gentle hand to coerce us.

It sounds like the sexual polarity between you two is off as well. You expect him to be more emotional (which we've already discussed) and he expects you to be more feminine. Sinc you don't feel emotionally comfortable, you've probably been holding back on that front. Additonally, both of you are also looking to dominate the other. That's a problem. If one of you tends to be more masculine, then the other one needs to be more femine. If both of you are both too feminine or two masculine, you're going to bump heads and turn each other off.

If the polarity is off, attraction is lowered, which kills intimacy. So the lack of intimacy is the next thing to consider here. There's nothing wrong with waiting to have sex after marriage. In fact a lot of people probably should be more responsible with their approach to sex. However there's nothing wrong with not wanting to wait either. Sex can help create a bond between two people that other forms of intimacy simply can't match. So the question is, are each of your intimacy needs being met?

I have a friend who believes in sex before marriage. This created frequent and unnecessary conflicts between him and his ex. Literally the two of them would ccnstantly bicker about nonsense and blow issues out of proportion. In reality it was because their needs weren't being met. In reality they simply weren't right for one another because neither could fully conform/compromise to the other's ideals.

I also think that your concerns stem from your own insecurities. From what you've posted, the Leo sounds like a normal guy (maybe not the most enlightened, but normal). It doesn't appear as if he goes out of his way to hurt or disrespect you really. In lieu of that though, you've mentioned certain "problems" you've had with him: he's not emotional enough, he wants to spend time with his friends, he follows too many women on Instagram, he's not taking things seriously enough. These all sound like more personal concerns of yours than actual issues with the relationship. These are all things that can be discussed as long as their is healthy communication. The problem is, there isn't any communication.

If you want this Leo back, don't expect him to chase you (in fact he may choose this moment to stand his ground). You need to be the one to reopen communication and get him, since you're the one who left and blocked him in the first place. Otherwise, your other option is to end things and let it drop.

Posted by Chuckcem
Before I make it seem like this entire scenario is the fault of one individual, let me make it clear that you are BOTH at fault here. There is a clear lack of emotional maturity and communication between you two. You are misunderstanding each other on some basic levels, that I'll clarify:

First, the reason why your Leo isn't acting lovey dovey and being as emotional as he was with his exes is because he was burned in the past (more than once). Leos tend to be extremely loving/gushy in our first few relationships, but become more guarded with each break up. This is because our biggest strength and our biggest weakness is our heart. From personal experience I also used to write love letters, notes, etc, but stopped after the first couple of heartbreaks. As I matured and realized that the amount of effort I was putting out wasn't always appreciated.

Also Leo men like to be genuine, spontaneous, and fun in our relationships. We don't like to repeat the same routines, especially if those routines blew up in our faces in the past. There's a really good chance that he has negative memories attached to those exes who received his loves notes. Why try to force that out of him.

Astrology aside, even as a guy it becomes clear that not all women are made equal. Some appreciate love notes, some do not. That's not to say that a guy can't write a love note to his girlfriend from time to time, but it's not something that you should expect. It should be a surprise more so than the status quo. Making a demand for more love notes only tarnishes it.

Also know that you're ideas on sex probably differ greatly from his. Some people believe in sex before marriage and some people don't. Understand that this alone may be a big dividing line between the two of you. Neither idea is wrong, but you want to make sure you're in a relationship where the needs of both parties are being met. If the Leo doesn't feel the same intimacy with you as he felt with his exes, that could explain his hesitation to open up emotionally to you. Likewise, if you don't feel that sex is a necessary component to your relationship prior to marriage, you'll want to find a man who agrees with that wholeheartedly.

Next know that you are the woman and he is the man. For some reason there is this myth that men are supposed to be the ones who emotionally bond in the relationship. This often leads to a lot of confusion. Men are the ones who initiate, this is true, but we aren't the emotional ones. We're the ones who are taught to be "tough" and "not cry" when we're boys. Women are the typically the more emotional beings. There are a lot of biological and psychological reasons for this, but know that men are designed to want a physical connection in relationships while women are designed to want an emotional one. As a species we trade one connection for the other.

Beyond that your next complaint seems a bit controlling on your part. Leos are generally busy people. I also prefer to meet with people on Fridays rather than Tuesdays, usually because of work (for example my birthday was last Tuesday and I barely celebrated that day until I was persuaded by a friend. I even told a few friends I didn't plan to do anything since I prefer the weekends).

It sounds like the Leo is probably similar and has a healthy social life. If you want to have a healthy relationship with him, that shouldn't be an issue for you. If he hasn't seen his friends in a month because he's been with you and/or working, then you have no reason to be upset with him. You getting angry over something like this makes you seem high maintenance.

After that you started acting passive aggressively and gave him the silent treatment instead of communicating like an adult. A healthy relationship must have open communication, otherwise it won't work. Honestly, his mistake was condoning your behavior. He should have put his foot down and called you out instead of trying to bribe you with a vacation. Instead he rewarded your behavior which was a quick way to instill a bad habit.

Beyond that everything else went downhill from there. It sounds like even thoguh you criticized and nagged him about his lack of affection often, he never actually ignored you in any way. It sounds like he was present, but he's not meeting your (potentially unrealistic) expectations. Showing him a picture of another couple and criticizing was childish. Again his mistake was condoning your behavior. He should have once again put his foot down and called you out on this.

Let me reiterate that you are not entirely at fault here, since it takes two to tango. The Leo should not have insulted your appearance. That was rude and ignorant of him. In fact the reason you may have been less feminine around him lately was literally because your emotional needs weren't being met (more on this later). Guys do not always understand that arguing with women isn't always appropriate either. We hear the words, but have a hard time listening between the lines. So instead of listening to you, your Leo became defensive and retaliated. This of course made you feel unheard and unloved.

Granted you haven't been an angel in all of this, but he should have acknowledged your feelings. Due to this you've been slowly shutting down on him and because he doesn't know how to respond to this, he's only making it worse. As you have backed away, he has become even more stubborn.

Another problem is that you keep taking the passive aggressive route. You blew up at him, ran out, and blocked him, thereby cutting off any potential healthy communication between you two. As I said before, a relationship can not survive without healthy communication. If you have a concern with him, you need to voice it directly like an adult and then hear him out. Sounds like you've been making more demands than anything else.

Furthermore you try too hard to control things, including him. This is especially difficult to do when dealing with a Leo man (or any man in general). Leo men always want to be in control of our own lives and we do not like to be bossed around or nagged. If that happens, we become obstinate and even more difficult to control. Leos can be very stubborn so it takes a cool and gentle hand to coerce us.

It sounds like the sexual polarity between you two is off as well. You expect him to be more emotional (which we've already discussed) and he expects you to be more feminine. Sinc you don't feel emotionally comfortable, you've probably been holding back on that front. Additonally, both of you are also looking to dominate the other. That's a problem. If one of you tends to be more masculine, then the other one needs to be more femine. If both of you are both too feminine or two masculine, you're going to bump heads and turn each other off.

If the polarity is off, attraction is lowered, which kills intimacy. So the lack of intimacy is the next thing to consider here. There's nothing wrong with waiting to have sex after marriage. In fact a lot of people probably should be more responsible with their approach to sex. However there's nothing wrong with not wanting to wait either. Sex can help create a bond between two people that other forms of intimacy simply can't match. So the question is, are each of your intimacy needs being met?

I have a friend who believes in sex before marriage. This created frequent and unnecessary conflicts between him and his ex. Literally the two of them would ccnstantly bicker about nonsense and blow issues out of proportion. In reality it was because their needs weren't being met. In reality they simply weren't right for one another because neither could fully conform/compromise to the other's ideals.

I also think that your concerns stem from your own insecurities. From what you've posted, the Leo sounds like a normal guy (maybe not the most enlightened, but normal). It doesn't appear as if he goes out of his way to hurt or disrespect you really. In lieu of that though, you've mentioned certain "problems" you've had with him: he's not emotional enough, he wants to spend time with his friends, he follows too many women on Instagram, he's not taking things seriously enough. These all sound like more personal concerns of yours than actual issues with the relationship. These are all things that can be discussed as long as their is healthy communication. The problem is, there isn't any communication.

If you want this Leo back, don't expect him to chase you (in fact he may choose this moment to stand his ground). You need to be the one to reopen communication and get him, since you're the one who left and blocked him in the first place. Otherwise, your other option is to end things and let it drop.

I am a virgo with a scorpio moon. and I think he also has a scorpio moon aswell. I kinda found out the other day much to my surprise given his lack of emotional expression.

youre right he was burned in the past in the sense his relationships didn't work out and he seemed to "love" those girls..unlike me.clearly ?. one of the exes is married now and I'm pretty sure he would hav married her. I don't necessarily expect a love note tht was just an example of the extent he went to with others. It would be nice if he gave me somethng.though, a couple of words even but no hes too stubborn. all he says is oh u don't like all that anyway..in a way I'm not a particularly gushy person myself in terms of what I say to a guy but if needed I would say something from time to time bt since I don't get tht from him I don't say it to him either. fr example he will ask me if I missed him or prod me to say I have bt when I do the same he will avoid the subject. like wtf.

fair enough men are taught to hold back on emotions and women are taught to show them but since ive seen how previously expressive he was with the exes he has that in him

Posted by Chuckcem
Before I make it seem like this entire scenario is the fault of one individual, let me make it clear that you are BOTH at fault here. There is a clear lack of emotional maturity and communication between you two. You are misunderstanding each other on some basic levels, that I'll clarify:

First, the reason why your Leo isn't acting lovey dovey and being as emotional as he was with his exes is because he was burned in the past (more than once). Leos tend to be extremely loving/gushy in our first few relationships, but become more guarded with each break up. This is because our biggest strength and our biggest weakness is our heart. From personal experience I also used to write love letters, notes, etc, but stopped after the first couple of heartbreaks. As I matured and realized that the amount of effort I was putting out wasn't always appreciated.

Also Leo men like to be genuine, spontaneous, and fun in our relationships. We don't like to repeat the same routines, especially if those routines blew up in our faces in the past. There's a really good chance that he has negative memories attached to those exes who received his loves notes. Why try to force that out of him.

Astrology aside, even as a guy it becomes clear that not all women are made equal. Some appreciate love notes, some do not. That's not to say that a guy can't write a love note to his girlfriend from time to time, but it's not something that you should expect. It should be a surprise more so than the status quo. Making a demand for more love notes only tarnishes it.

Also know that you're ideas on sex probably differ greatly from his. Some people believe in sex before marriage and some people don't. Understand that this alone may be a big dividing line between the two of you. Neither idea is wrong, but you want to make sure you're in a relationship where the needs of both parties are being met. If the Leo doesn't feel the same intimacy with you as he felt with his exes, that could explain his hesitation to open up emotionally to you. Likewise, if you don't feel that sex is a necessary component to your relationship prior to marriage, you'll want to find a man who agrees with that wholeheartedly.

Next know that you are the woman and he is the man. For some reason there is this myth that men are supposed to be the ones who emotionally bond in the relationship. This often leads to a lot of confusion. Men are the ones who initiate, this is true, but we aren't the emotional ones. We're the ones who are taught to be "tough" and "not cry" when we're boys. Women are the typically the more emotional beings. There are a lot of biological and psychological reasons for this, but know that men are designed to want a physical connection in relationships while women are designed to want an emotional one. As a species we trade one connection for the other.

Beyond that your next complaint seems a bit controlling on your part. Leos are generally busy people. I also prefer to meet with people on Fridays rather than Tuesdays, usually because of work (for example my birthday was last Tuesday and I barely celebrated that day until I was persuaded by a friend. I even told a few friends I didn't plan to do anything since I prefer the weekends).

It sounds like the Leo is probably similar and has a healthy social life. If you want to have a healthy relationship with him, that shouldn't be an issue for you. If he hasn't seen his friends in a month because he's been with you and/or working, then you have no reason to be upset with him. You getting angry over something like this makes you seem high maintenance.

After that you started acting passive aggressively and gave him the silent treatment instead of communicating like an adult. A healthy relationship must have open communication, otherwise it won't work. Honestly, his mistake was condoning your behavior. He should have put his foot down and called you out instead of trying to bribe you with a vacation. Instead he rewarded your behavior which was a quick way to instill a bad habit.

Beyond that everything else went downhill from there. It sounds like even thoguh you criticized and nagged him about his lack of affection often, he never actually ignored you in any way. It sounds like he was present, but he's not meeting your (potentially unrealistic) expectations. Showing him a picture of another couple and criticizing was childish. Again his mistake was condoning your behavior. He should have once again put his foot down and called you out on this.

Let me reiterate that you are not entirely at fault here, since it takes two to tango. The Leo should not have insulted your appearance. That was rude and ignorant of him. In fact the reason you may have been less feminine around him lately was literally because your emotional needs weren't being met (more on this later). Guys do not always understand that arguing with women isn't always appropriate either. We hear the words, but have a hard time listening between the lines. So instead of listening to you, your Leo became defensive and retaliated. This of course made you feel unheard and unloved.

Granted you haven't been an angel in all of this, but he should have acknowledged your feelings. Due to this you've been slowly shutting down on him and because he doesn't know how to respond to this, he's only making it worse. As you have backed away, he has become even more stubborn.

Another problem is that you keep taking the passive aggressive route. You blew up at him, ran out, and blocked him, thereby cutting off any potential healthy communication between you two. As I said before, a relationship can not survive without healthy communication. If you have a concern with him, you need to voice it directly like an adult and then hear him out. Sounds like you've been making more demands than anything else.

Furthermore you try too hard to control things, including him. This is especially difficult to do when dealing with a Leo man (or any man in general). Leo men always want to be in control of our own lives and we do not like to be bossed around or nagged. If that happens, we become obstinate and even more difficult to control. Leos can be very stubborn so it takes a cool and gentle hand to coerce us.

It sounds like the sexual polarity between you two is off as well. You expect him to be more emotional (which we've already discussed) and he expects you to be more feminine. Sinc you don't feel emotionally comfortable, you've probably been holding back on that front. Additonally, both of you are also looking to dominate the other. That's a problem. If one of you tends to be more masculine, then the other one needs to be more femine. If both of you are both too feminine or two masculine, you're going to bump heads and turn each other off.

If the polarity is off, attraction is lowered, which kills intimacy. So the lack of intimacy is the next thing to consider here. There's nothing wrong with waiting to have sex after marriage. In fact a lot of people probably should be more responsible with their approach to sex. However there's nothing wrong with not wanting to wait either. Sex can help create a bond between two people that other forms of intimacy simply can't match. So the question is, are each of your intimacy needs being met?

I have a friend who believes in sex before marriage. This created frequent and unnecessary conflicts between him and his ex. Literally the two of them would ccnstantly bicker about nonsense and blow issues out of proportion. In reality it was because their needs weren't being met. In reality they simply weren't right for one another because neither could fully conform/compromise to the other's ideals.

I also think that your concerns stem from your own insecurities. From what you've posted, the Leo sounds like a normal guy (maybe not the most enlightened, but normal). It doesn't appear as if he goes out of his way to hurt or disrespect you really. In lieu of that though, you've mentioned certain "problems" you've had with him: he's not emotional enough, he wants to spend time with his friends, he follows too many women on Instagram, he's not taking things seriously enough. These all sound like more personal concerns of yours than actual issues with the relationship. These are all things that can be discussed as long as their is healthy communication. The problem is, there isn't any communication.

If you want this Leo back, don't expect him to chase you (in fact he may choose this moment to stand his ground). You need to be the one to reopen communication and get him, since you're the one who left and blocked him in the first place. Otherwise, your other option is to end things and let it drop.

im not high maintenance at all its just the lack of anyting.from him gets me thinking if he wants me at all now so then when he says he can't meet it gets me.thinking. also I can't stand people who lie, he said he had to help his friend with his.wedding when his friends wedding is next week n mostly it's the.women who do all the planning not thr men and saying he has to spend an entire week doing that while the next week he couldn't meet either becsuse it's his friends wedding (ome day) seemed a bit suspicious. and already that weekend I knew he had.gone out with his friends so where was the planning with his.friends then? why not just.just say I want to spend time with my..friends .more than you currently. I would have appreciated that more.

I was offended at his comments about how mt appearance isn't good enough for.him well apparently.it's.good enough for him to wanna hug and kiss and be all over.me when I meet.him.

Posted by Chuckcem
Before I make it seem like this entire scenario is the fault of one individual, let me make it clear that you are BOTH at fault here. There is a clear lack of emotional maturity and communication between you two. You are misunderstanding each other on some basic levels, that I'll clarify:

First, the reason why your Leo isn't acting lovey dovey and being as emotional as he was with his exes is because he was burned in the past (more than once). Leos tend to be extremely loving/gushy in our first few relationships, but become more guarded with each break up. This is because our biggest strength and our biggest weakness is our heart. From personal experience I also used to write love letters, notes, etc, but stopped after the first couple of heartbreaks. As I matured and realized that the amount of effort I was putting out wasn't always appreciated.

Also Leo men like to be genuine, spontaneous, and fun in our relationships. We don't like to repeat the same routines, especially if those routines blew up in our faces in the past. There's a really good chance that he has negative memories attached to those exes who received his loves notes. Why try to force that out of him.

Astrology aside, even as a guy it becomes clear that not all women are made equal. Some appreciate love notes, some do not. That's not to say that a guy can't write a love note to his girlfriend from time to time, but it's not something that you should expect. It should be a surprise more so than the status quo. Making a demand for more love notes only tarnishes it.

Also know that you're ideas on sex probably differ greatly from his. Some people believe in sex before marriage and some people don't. Understand that this alone may be a big dividing line between the two of you. Neither idea is wrong, but you want to make sure you're in a relationship where the needs of both parties are being met. If the Leo doesn't feel the same intimacy with you as he felt with his exes, that could explain his hesitation to open up emotionally to you. Likewise, if you don't feel that sex is a necessary component to your relationship prior to marriage, you'll want to find a man who agrees with that wholeheartedly.

Next know that you are the woman and he is the man. For some reason there is this myth that men are supposed to be the ones who emotionally bond in the relationship. This often leads to a lot of confusion. Men are the ones who initiate, this is true, but we aren't the emotional ones. We're the ones who are taught to be "tough" and "not cry" when we're boys. Women are the typically the more emotional beings. There are a lot of biological and psychological reasons for this, but know that men are designed to want a physical connection in relationships while women are designed to want an emotional one. As a species we trade one connection for the other.

Beyond that your next complaint seems a bit controlling on your part. Leos are generally busy people. I also prefer to meet with people on Fridays rather than Tuesdays, usually because of work (for example my birthday was last Tuesday and I barely celebrated that day until I was persuaded by a friend. I even told a few friends I didn't plan to do anything since I prefer the weekends).

It sounds like the Leo is probably similar and has a healthy social life. If you want to have a healthy relationship with him, that shouldn't be an issue for you. If he hasn't seen his friends in a month because he's been with you and/or working, then you have no reason to be upset with him. You getting angry over something like this makes you seem high maintenance.

After that you started acting passive aggressively and gave him the silent treatment instead of communicating like an adult. A healthy relationship must have open communication, otherwise it won't work. Honestly, his mistake was condoning your behavior. He should have put his foot down and called you out instead of trying to bribe you with a vacation. Instead he rewarded your behavior which was a quick way to instill a bad habit.

Beyond that everything else went downhill from there. It sounds like even thoguh you criticized and nagged him about his lack of affection often, he never actually ignored you in any way. It sounds like he was present, but he's not meeting your (potentially unrealistic) expectations. Showing him a picture of another couple and criticizing was childish. Again his mistake was condoning your behavior. He should have once again put his foot down and called you out on this.

Let me reiterate that you are not entirely at fault here, since it takes two to tango. The Leo should not have insulted your appearance. That was rude and ignorant of him. In fact the reason you may have been less feminine around him lately was literally because your emotional needs weren't being met (more on this later). Guys do not always understand that arguing with women isn't always appropriate either. We hear the words, but have a hard time listening between the lines. So instead of listening to you, your Leo became defensive and retaliated. This of course made you feel unheard and unloved.

Granted you haven't been an angel in all of this, but he should have acknowledged your feelings. Due to this you've been slowly shutting down on him and because he doesn't know how to respond to this, he's only making it worse. As you have backed away, he has become even more stubborn.

Another problem is that you keep taking the passive aggressive route. You blew up at him, ran out, and blocked him, thereby cutting off any potential healthy communication between you two. As I said before, a relationship can not survive without healthy communication. If you have a concern with him, you need to voice it directly like an adult and then hear him out. Sounds like you've been making more demands than anything else.

Furthermore you try too hard to control things, including him. This is especially difficult to do when dealing with a Leo man (or any man in general). Leo men always want to be in control of our own lives and we do not like to be bossed around or nagged. If that happens, we become obstinate and even more difficult to control. Leos can be very stubborn so it takes a cool and gentle hand to coerce us.

It sounds like the sexual polarity between you two is off as well. You expect him to be more emotional (which we've already discussed) and he expects you to be more feminine. Sinc you don't feel emotionally comfortable, you've probably been holding back on that front. Additonally, both of you are also looking to dominate the other. That's a problem. If one of you tends to be more masculine, then the other one needs to be more femine. If both of you are both too feminine or two masculine, you're going to bump heads and turn each other off.

If the polarity is off, attraction is lowered, which kills intimacy. So the lack of intimacy is the next thing to consider here. There's nothing wrong with waiting to have sex after marriage. In fact a lot of people probably should be more responsible with their approach to sex. However there's nothing wrong with not wanting to wait either. Sex can help create a bond between two people that other forms of intimacy simply can't match. So the question is, are each of your intimacy needs being met?

I have a friend who believes in sex before marriage. This created frequent and unnecessary conflicts between him and his ex. Literally the two of them would ccnstantly bicker about nonsense and blow issues out of proportion. In reality it was because their needs weren't being met. In reality they simply weren't right for one another because neither could fully conform/compromise to the other's ideals.

I also think that your concerns stem from your own insecurities. From what you've posted, the Leo sounds like a normal guy (maybe not the most enlightened, but normal). It doesn't appear as if he goes out of his way to hurt or disrespect you really. In lieu of that though, you've mentioned certain "problems" you've had with him: he's not emotional enough, he wants to spend time with his friends, he follows too many women on Instagram, he's not taking things seriously enough. These all sound like more personal concerns of yours than actual issues with the relationship. These are all things that can be discussed as long as their is healthy communication. The problem is, there isn't any communication.

If you want this Leo back, don't expect him to chase you (in fact he may choose this moment to stand his ground). You need to be the one to reopen communication and get him, since you're the one who left and blocked him in the first place. Otherwise, your other option is to end things and let it drop.

and he's said stff like that before how.I should improve on my appearance and then telling me to get.help from a woman who i don't even lik an who he randomly name drops in the conversation ( shes an ex friend of mine) annoyed me further , I felt like he likes her more than me or something.even though thyve hardly.spoken. I supose he likes the way she looks. even though it's makeup

Posted by candy10
I am a virgo with a scorpio moon. and I think he also has a scorpio moon aswell. I kinda found out the other day much to my surprise given his lack of emotional expression.

youre right he was burned in the past in the sense his relationships didn't work out and he seemed to "love" those girls..unlike me.clearly ?. one of the exes is married now and I'm pretty sure he would hav married her. I don't necessarily expect a love note tht was just an example of the extent he went to with others. It would be nice if he gave me somethng.though, a couple of words even but no hes too stubborn. all he says is oh u don't like all that anyway..in a way I'm not a particularly gushy person myself in terms of what I say to a guy but if needed I would say something from time to time bt since I don't get tht from him I don't say it to him either. fr example he will ask me if I missed him or prod me to say I have bt when I do the same he will avoid the subject. like wtf.

fair enough men are taught to hold back on emotions and women are taught to show them but since ive seen how previously expressive he was with the exes he has that in him

Ah, I see now. So the main issue is you're both holding back from one another. The problem is you're expecting him to show up in a way that you're not showing up yourself. If you expect something to grow, you must first plant the seed.

This is a common problem between Leos and Virgos. A Leo may be more expressive but we are also still on guard. Virgos are calculated and express love through actions more so than words or affectionate displays. The issue is you two speak two different love languages.

For the Leo guy he shows that he cares by being around you (which is common for Leos). If a Leo is constantly around you, that means we care. My guess is he's holding back because you are not demonstrative. The other women probably were, which made him more comfortable. Have you tried being as gushy as you want him to be?

Posted by Chuckcem
Before I make it seem like this entire scenario is the fault of one individual, let me make it clear that you are BOTH at fault here. There is a clear lack of emotional maturity and communication between you two. You are misunderstanding each other on some basic levels, that I'll clarify:

First, the reason why your Leo isn't acting lovey dovey and being as emotional as he was with his exes is because he was burned in the past (more than once). Leos tend to be extremely loving/gushy in our first few relationships, but become more guarded with each break up. This is because our biggest strength and our biggest weakness is our heart. From personal experience I also used to write love letters, notes, etc, but stopped after the first couple of heartbreaks. As I matured and realized that the amount of effort I was putting out wasn't always appreciated.

Also Leo men like to be genuine, spontaneous, and fun in our relationships. We don't like to repeat the same routines, especially if those routines blew up in our faces in the past. There's a really good chance that he has negative memories attached to those exes who received his loves notes. Why try to force that out of him.

Astrology aside, even as a guy it becomes clear that not all women are made equal. Some appreciate love notes, some do not. That's not to say that a guy can't write a love note to his girlfriend from time to time, but it's not something that you should expect. It should be a surprise more so than the status quo. Making a demand for more love notes only tarnishes it.

Also know that you're ideas on sex probably differ greatly from his. Some people believe in sex before marriage and some people don't. Understand that this alone may be a big dividing line between the two of you. Neither idea is wrong, but you want to make sure you're in a relationship where the needs of both parties are being met. If the Leo doesn't feel the same intimacy with you as he felt with his exes, that could explain his hesitation to open up emotionally to you. Likewise, if you don't feel that sex is a necessary component to your relationship prior to marriage, you'll want to find a man who agrees with that wholeheartedly.

Next know that you are the woman and he is the man. For some reason there is this myth that men are supposed to be the ones who emotionally bond in the relationship. This often leads to a lot of confusion. Men are the ones who initiate, this is true, but we aren't the emotional ones. We're the ones who are taught to be "tough" and "not cry" when we're boys. Women are the typically the more emotional beings. There are a lot of biological and psychological reasons for this, but know that men are designed to want a physical connection in relationships while women are designed to want an emotional one. As a species we trade one connection for the other.

Beyond that your next complaint seems a bit controlling on your part. Leos are generally busy people. I also prefer to meet with people on Fridays rather than Tuesdays, usually because of work (for example my birthday was last Tuesday and I barely celebrated that day until I was persuaded by a friend. I even told a few friends I didn't plan to do anything since I prefer the weekends).

It sounds like the Leo is probably similar and has a healthy social life. If you want to have a healthy relationship with him, that shouldn't be an issue for you. If he hasn't seen his friends in a month because he's been with you and/or working, then you have no reason to be upset with him. You getting angry over something like this makes you seem high maintenance.

After that you started acting passive aggressively and gave him the silent treatment instead of communicating like an adult. A healthy relationship must have open communication, otherwise it won't work. Honestly, his mistake was condoning your behavior. He should have put his foot down and called you out instead of trying to bribe you with a vacation. Instead he rewarded your behavior which was a quick way to instill a bad habit.

Beyond that everything else went downhill from there. It sounds like even thoguh you criticized and nagged him about his lack of affection often, he never actually ignored you in any way. It sounds like he was present, but he's not meeting your (potentially unrealistic) expectations. Showing him a picture of another couple and criticizing was childish. Again his mistake was condoning your behavior. He should have once again put his foot down and called you out on this.

Let me reiterate that you are not entirely at fault here, since it takes two to tango. The Leo should not have insulted your appearance. That was rude and ignorant of him. In fact the reason you may have been less feminine around him lately was literally because your emotional needs weren't being met (more on this later). Guys do not always understand that arguing with women isn't always appropriate either. We hear the words, but have a hard time listening between the lines. So instead of listening to you, your Leo became defensive and retaliated. This of course made you feel unheard and unloved.

Granted you haven't been an angel in all of this, but he should have acknowledged your feelings. Due to this you've been slowly shutting down on him and because he doesn't know how to respond to this, he's only making it worse. As you have backed away, he has become even more stubborn.

Another problem is that you keep taking the passive aggressive route. You blew up at him, ran out, and blocked him, thereby cutting off any potential healthy communication between you two. As I said before, a relationship can not survive without healthy communication. If you have a concern with him, you need to voice it directly like an adult and then hear him out. Sounds like you've been making more demands than anything else.

Furthermore you try too hard to control things, including him. This is especially difficult to do when dealing with a Leo man (or any man in general). Leo men always want to be in control of our own lives and we do not like to be bossed around or nagged. If that happens, we become obstinate and even more difficult to control. Leos can be very stubborn so it takes a cool and gentle hand to coerce us.

It sounds like the sexual polarity between you two is off as well. You expect him to be more emotional (which we've already discussed) and he expects you to be more feminine. Sinc you don't feel emotionally comfortable, you've probably been holding back on that front. Additonally, both of you are also looking to dominate the other. That's a problem. If one of you tends to be more masculine, then the other one needs to be more femine. If both of you are both too feminine or two masculine, you're going to bump heads and turn each other off.

If the polarity is off, attraction is lowered, which kills intimacy. So the lack of intimacy is the next thing to consider here. There's nothing wrong with waiting to have sex after marriage. In fact a lot of people probably should be more responsible with their approach to sex. However there's nothing wrong with not wanting to wait either. Sex can help create a bond between two people that other forms of intimacy simply can't match. So the question is, are each of your intimacy needs being met?

I have a friend who believes in sex before marriage. This created frequent and unnecessary conflicts between him and his ex. Literally the two of them would ccnstantly bicker about nonsense and blow issues out of proportion. In reality it was because their needs weren't being met. In reality they simply weren't right for one another because neither could fully conform/compromise to the other's ideals.

I also think that your concerns stem from your own insecurities. From what you've posted, the Leo sounds like a normal guy (maybe not the most enlightened, but normal). It doesn't appear as if he goes out of his way to hurt or disrespect you really. In lieu of that though, you've mentioned certain "problems" you've had with him: he's not emotional enough, he wants to spend time with his friends, he follows too many women on Instagram, he's not taking things seriously enough. These all sound like more personal concerns of yours than actual issues with the relationship. These are all things that can be discussed as long as their is healthy communication. The problem is, there isn't any communication.

If you want this Leo back, don't expect him to chase you (in fact he may choose this moment to stand his ground). You need to be the one to reopen communication and get him, since you're the one who left and blocked him in the first place. Otherwise, your other option is to end things and let it drop.

I guess I don't like to be controlled or like a wilting flower n maybe thas what he wants.a women who dresses nice.for him n who gives in sexually neither of which I do. but in person we tend to get along alrite.and actually he seems.to be the one.who argues.with me or gets upset at.me over silly.things. and.for me the lack of emotion gets to me, we have.fun but I mean he can't even hug me properly which I find weird(an im nt an actually huggy person). bt once in a while is ok. so when is tested.him saying let's hug he said no I don't hug ?..constantly he kept saying that n to me that correlates with if u care.about someone you would wanna do that n he's lik let's get.to the good part (he meant sexually) so that offended me aswell. If I gt that gt affection from him maybe I'd b more open minded.to wht he wants bt he expects sex bt can't express that he cares about me. or even giv.a.simple hug. yet as far as I know he's not a psycho and I'm pretty sure he was loved up with his exes in that way bt not me.

maybe he doesn't go out of his way to hurt me but complacency to me is hurtful. and indifference.

Posted by candy10
im not high maintenance at all its just the lack of anyting.from him gets me thinking if he wants me at all now so then when he says he can't meet it gets me.thinking. also I can't stand people who lie, he said he had to help his friend with his.wedding when his friends wedding is next week n mostly it's the.women who do all the planning not thr men and saying he has to spend an entire week doing that while the next week he couldn't meet either becsuse it's his friends wedding (ome day) seemed a bit suspicious. and already that weekend I knew he had.gone out with his friends so where was the planning with his.friends then? why not just.just say I want to spend time with my..friends .more than you currently. I would have appreciated that more.

I was offended at his comments about how mt appearance isn't good enough for.him well apparently.it's.good enough for him to wanna hug and kiss and be all over.me when I meet.him.

That's fair, but if I had to guess he lied because he wanted to hang out with his friends and didn't want to create any drama between you. As I mentioned in my response, it does seem like you have a tendency to nag him a bit. If I had to guess he lied to avoid creating an issue. Granted he should have been straight forward with you, but at the same time you should probably lighten up a bit too.

That's not to say that you should let him walk over you. Next time voice your complaint directly and clearly. Don't get upset and stop communicating with him. Leos will typically laugh off an argument we don't wish to have. It's our way of lightening the mood and calming the other person down. This is especially true when we don't understand the source of the anger/argument.

The Leo guy probably thought that you were blowing this out of proportion. If he's incorrect, you need to explain to him why. Shutting down and giving him the silent treatment only hurts you in the long run and ultimately solved nothing.

Posted by Chuckcem
Before I make it seem like this entire scenario is the fault of one individual, let me make it clear that you are BOTH at fault here. There is a clear lack of emotional maturity and communication between you two. You are misunderstanding each other on some basic levels, that I'll clarify:

First, the reason why your Leo isn't acting lovey dovey and being as emotional as he was with his exes is because he was burned in the past (more than once). Leos tend to be extremely loving/gushy in our first few relationships, but become more guarded with each break up. This is because our biggest strength and our biggest weakness is our heart. From personal experience I also used to write love letters, notes, etc, but stopped after the first couple of heartbreaks. As I matured and realized that the amount of effort I was putting out wasn't always appreciated.

Also Leo men like to be genuine, spontaneous, and fun in our relationships. We don't like to repeat the same routines, especially if those routines blew up in our faces in the past. There's a really good chance that he has negative memories attached to those exes who received his loves notes. Why try to force that out of him.

Astrology aside, even as a guy it becomes clear that not all women are made equal. Some appreciate love notes, some do not. That's not to say that a guy can't write a love note to his girlfriend from time to time, but it's not something that you should expect. It should be a surprise more so than the status quo. Making a demand for more love notes only tarnishes it.

Also know that you're ideas on sex probably differ greatly from his. Some people believe in sex before marriage and some people don't. Understand that this alone may be a big dividing line between the two of you. Neither idea is wrong, but you want to make sure you're in a relationship where the needs of both parties are being met. If the Leo doesn't feel the same intimacy with you as he felt with his exes, that could explain his hesitation to open up emotionally to you. Likewise, if you don't feel that sex is a necessary component to your relationship prior to marriage, you'll want to find a man who agrees with that wholeheartedly.

Next know that you are the woman and he is the man. For some reason there is this myth that men are supposed to be the ones who emotionally bond in the relationship. This often leads to a lot of confusion. Men are the ones who initiate, this is true, but we aren't the emotional ones. We're the ones who are taught to be "tough" and "not cry" when we're boys. Women are the typically the more emotional beings. There are a lot of biological and psychological reasons for this, but know that men are designed to want a physical connection in relationships while women are designed to want an emotional one. As a species we trade one connection for the other.

Beyond that your next complaint seems a bit controlling on your part. Leos are generally busy people. I also prefer to meet with people on Fridays rather than Tuesdays, usually because of work (for example my birthday was last Tuesday and I barely celebrated that day until I was persuaded by a friend. I even told a few friends I didn't plan to do anything since I prefer the weekends).

It sounds like the Leo is probably similar and has a healthy social life. If you want to have a healthy relationship with him, that shouldn't be an issue for you. If he hasn't seen his friends in a month because he's been with you and/or working, then you have no reason to be upset with him. You getting angry over something like this makes you seem high maintenance.

After that you started acting passive aggressively and gave him the silent treatment instead of communicating like an adult. A healthy relationship must have open communication, otherwise it won't work. Honestly, his mistake was condoning your behavior. He should have put his foot down and called you out instead of trying to bribe you with a vacation. Instead he rewarded your behavior which was a quick way to instill a bad habit.

Beyond that everything else went downhill from there. It sounds like even thoguh you criticized and nagged him about his lack of affection often, he never actually ignored you in any way. It sounds like he was present, but he's not meeting your (potentially unrealistic) expectations. Showing him a picture of another couple and criticizing was childish. Again his mistake was condoning your behavior. He should have once again put his foot down and called you out on this.

Let me reiterate that you are not entirely at fault here, since it takes two to tango. The Leo should not have insulted your appearance. That was rude and ignorant of him. In fact the reason you may have been less feminine around him lately was literally because your emotional needs weren't being met (more on this later). Guys do not always understand that arguing with women isn't always appropriate either. We hear the words, but have a hard time listening between the lines. So instead of listening to you, your Leo became defensive and retaliated. This of course made you feel unheard and unloved.

Granted you haven't been an angel in all of this, but he should have acknowledged your feelings. Due to this you've been slowly shutting down on him and because he doesn't know how to respond to this, he's only making it worse. As you have backed away, he has become even more stubborn.

Another problem is that you keep taking the passive aggressive route. You blew up at him, ran out, and blocked him, thereby cutting off any potential healthy communication between you two. As I said before, a relationship can not survive without healthy communication. If you have a concern with him, you need to voice it directly like an adult and then hear him out. Sounds like you've been making more demands than anything else.

Furthermore you try too hard to control things, including him. This is especially difficult to do when dealing with a Leo man (or any man in general). Leo men always want to be in control of our own lives and we do not like to be bossed around or nagged. If that happens, we become obstinate and even more difficult to control. Leos can be very stubborn so it takes a cool and gentle hand to coerce us.

It sounds like the sexual polarity between you two is off as well. You expect him to be more emotional (which we've already discussed) and he expects you to be more feminine. Sinc you don't feel emotionally comfortable, you've probably been holding back on that front. Additonally, both of you are also looking to dominate the other. That's a problem. If one of you tends to be more masculine, then the other one needs to be more femine. If both of you are both too feminine or two masculine, you're going to bump heads and turn each other off.

If the polarity is off, attraction is lowered, which kills intimacy. So the lack of intimacy is the next thing to consider here. There's nothing wrong with waiting to have sex after marriage. In fact a lot of people probably should be more responsible with their approach to sex. However there's nothing wrong with not wanting to wait either. Sex can help create a bond between two people that other forms of intimacy simply can't match. So the question is, are each of your intimacy needs being met?

I have a friend who believes in sex before marriage. This created frequent and unnecessary conflicts between him and his ex. Literally the two of them would ccnstantly bicker about nonsense and blow issues out of proportion. In reality it was because their needs weren't being met. In reality they simply weren't right for one another because neither could fully conform/compromise to the other's ideals.

I also think that your concerns stem from your own insecurities. From what you've posted, the Leo sounds like a normal guy (maybe not the most enlightened, but normal). It doesn't appear as if he goes out of his way to hurt or disrespect you really. In lieu of that though, you've mentioned certain "problems" you've had with him: he's not emotional enough, he wants to spend time with his friends, he follows too many women on Instagram, he's not taking things seriously enough. These all sound like more personal concerns of yours than actual issues with the relationship. These are all things that can be discussed as long as their is healthy communication. The problem is, there isn't any communication.

If you want this Leo back, don't expect him to chase you (in fact he may choose this moment to stand his ground). You need to be the one to reopen communication and get him, since you're the one who left and blocked him in the first place. Otherwise, your other option is to end things and let it drop.

yea I know as usual ill have to be the one to contact.him or intitiate first. but what's new hey.

anothrr thing with the exes he would show some amount of anger if they do anything terrible to him. with me all he does is laugh in his messages lik im a big joke and say I've gone "crazy" ye he seems to find me quite hilarious apparently. Instead of being lik alright candy ill listen to what you're saying. this is why I took the passive agressive route since so he can realise his mistake...since talking doesn't help. maybe he can start to miss me.and feel lik he lost me.so he will take me.seriously next time. then again might b too optimistic there. fair enough if I knew he was just that type of person with evryone but again since iv seen his serious side with the exes and with me he jst laughs at evryting i do I feel like he cares less about me than anyone else.

I also saw pics from his friends wedding on instagram he seems to be gettin on perfectly fine without me, showing off to his 700 female followers. and doing hashtags. no sadness there.for sure. just gettin on with his life as if I wasn't a big part of it.

Posted by candy10
and he's said stff like that before how.I should improve on my appearance and then telling me to get.help from a woman who i don't even lik an who he randomly name drops in the conversation ( shes an ex friend of mine) annoyed me further , I felt like he likes her more than me or something.even though thyve hardly.spoken. I supose he likes the way she looks. even though it's makeup

He should not say those things to you. Likewise you should TELL him not to say those things to you. Stand up for yourself. Right now you are in your head and overanalyzing the situation. I highly doubt he's making those comments because he's into your friends.

If I had to guess this Leo likes women who look feminine (not uncommon with Leo males), which is probably what initially attracted him to you. However since you haven't been happy with him lately, you probably don't feel compelled to look a certain way for him. Instead of understanding this and making you feel desirable, the Leo is critiquing your appearance.

Let him know that if he wants you to look more feminine, then he needs to TREAT you like a woman. He needs to make you feel appreciated and take you out. Tell him that lying hurts you and that he should always be honest if he expects the relationship to last. Let him know that he needs to be more loving verbally towards you because that makes you feel wanted. Let him know too that you will also do the same.

Posted by Chuckcem
Before I make it seem like this entire scenario is the fault of one individual, let me make it clear that you are BOTH at fault here. There is a clear lack of emotional maturity and communication between you two. You are misunderstanding each other on some basic levels, that I'll clarify:

First, the reason why your Leo isn't acting lovey dovey and being as emotional as he was with his exes is because he was burned in the past (more than once). Leos tend to be extremely loving/gushy in our first few relationships, but become more guarded with each break up. This is because our biggest strength and our biggest weakness is our heart. From personal experience I also used to write love letters, notes, etc, but stopped after the first couple of heartbreaks. As I matured and realized that the amount of effort I was putting out wasn't always appreciated.

Also Leo men like to be genuine, spontaneous, and fun in our relationships. We don't like to repeat the same routines, especially if those routines blew up in our faces in the past. There's a really good chance that he has negative memories attached to those exes who received his loves notes. Why try to force that out of him.

Astrology aside, even as a guy it becomes clear that not all women are made equal. Some appreciate love notes, some do not. That's not to say that a guy can't write a love note to his girlfriend from time to time, but it's not something that you should expect. It should be a surprise more so than the status quo. Making a demand for more love notes only tarnishes it.

Also know that you're ideas on sex probably differ greatly from his. Some people believe in sex before marriage and some people don't. Understand that this alone may be a big dividing line between the two of you. Neither idea is wrong, but you want to make sure you're in a relationship where the needs of both parties are being met. If the Leo doesn't feel the same intimacy with you as he felt with his exes, that could explain his hesitation to open up emotionally to you. Likewise, if you don't feel that sex is a necessary component to your relationship prior to marriage, you'll want to find a man who agrees with that wholeheartedly.

Next know that you are the woman and he is the man. For some reason there is this myth that men are supposed to be the ones who emotionally bond in the relationship. This often leads to a lot of confusion. Men are the ones who initiate, this is true, but we aren't the emotional ones. We're the ones who are taught to be "tough" and "not cry" when we're boys. Women are the typically the more emotional beings. There are a lot of biological and psychological reasons for this, but know that men are designed to want a physical connection in relationships while women are designed to want an emotional one. As a species we trade one connection for the other.

Beyond that your next complaint seems a bit controlling on your part. Leos are generally busy people. I also prefer to meet with people on Fridays rather than Tuesdays, usually because of work (for example my birthday was last Tuesday and I barely celebrated that day until I was persuaded by a friend. I even told a few friends I didn't plan to do anything since I prefer the weekends).

It sounds like the Leo is probably similar and has a healthy social life. If you want to have a healthy relationship with him, that shouldn't be an issue for you. If he hasn't seen his friends in a month because he's been with you and/or working, then you have no reason to be upset with him. You getting angry over something like this makes you seem high maintenance.

After that you started acting passive aggressively and gave him the silent treatment instead of communicating like an adult. A healthy relationship must have open communication, otherwise it won't work. Honestly, his mistake was condoning your behavior. He should have put his foot down and called you out instead of trying to bribe you with a vacation. Instead he rewarded your behavior which was a quick way to instill a bad habit.

Beyond that everything else went downhill from there. It sounds like even thoguh you criticized and nagged him about his lack of affection often, he never actually ignored you in any way. It sounds like he was present, but he's not meeting your (potentially unrealistic) expectations. Showing him a picture of another couple and criticizing was childish. Again his mistake was condoning your behavior. He should have once again put his foot down and called you out on this.

Let me reiterate that you are not entirely at fault here, since it takes two to tango. The Leo should not have insulted your appearance. That was rude and ignorant of him. In fact the reason you may have been less feminine around him lately was literally because your emotional needs weren't being met (more on this later). Guys do not always understand that arguing with women isn't always appropriate either. We hear the words, but have a hard time listening between the lines. So instead of listening to you, your Leo became defensive and retaliated. This of course made you feel unheard and unloved.

Granted you haven't been an angel in all of this, but he should have acknowledged your feelings. Due to this you've been slowly shutting down on him and because he doesn't know how to respond to this, he's only making it worse. As you have backed away, he has become even more stubborn.

Another problem is that you keep taking the passive aggressive route. You blew up at him, ran out, and blocked him, thereby cutting off any potential healthy communication between you two. As I said before, a relationship can not survive without healthy communication. If you have a concern with him, you need to voice it directly like an adult and then hear him out. Sounds like you've been making more demands than anything else.

Furthermore you try too hard to control things, including him. This is especially difficult to do when dealing with a Leo man (or any man in general). Leo men always want to be in control of our own lives and we do not like to be bossed around or nagged. If that happens, we become obstinate and even more difficult to control. Leos can be very stubborn so it takes a cool and gentle hand to coerce us.

It sounds like the sexual polarity between you two is off as well. You expect him to be more emotional (which we've already discussed) and he expects you to be more feminine. Sinc you don't feel emotionally comfortable, you've probably been holding back on that front. Additonally, both of you are also looking to dominate the other. That's a problem. If one of you tends to be more masculine, then the other one needs to be more femine. If both of you are both too feminine or two masculine, you're going to bump heads and turn each other off.

If the polarity is off, attraction is lowered, which kills intimacy. So the lack of intimacy is the next thing to consider here. There's nothing wrong with waiting to have sex after marriage. In fact a lot of people probably should be more responsible with their approach to sex. However there's nothing wrong with not wanting to wait either. Sex can help create a bond between two people that other forms of intimacy simply can't match. So the question is, are each of your intimacy needs being met?

I have a friend who believes in sex before marriage. This created frequent and unnecessary conflicts between him and his ex. Literally the two of them would ccnstantly bicker about nonsense and blow issues out of proportion. In reality it was because their needs weren't being met. In reality they simply weren't right for one another because neither could fully conform/compromise to the other's ideals.

I also think that your concerns stem from your own insecurities. From what you've posted, the Leo sounds like a normal guy (maybe not the most enlightened, but normal). It doesn't appear as if he goes out of his way to hurt or disrespect you really. In lieu of that though, you've mentioned certain "problems" you've had with him: he's not emotional enough, he wants to spend time with his friends, he follows too many women on Instagram, he's not taking things seriously enough. These all sound like more personal concerns of yours than actual issues with the relationship. These are all things that can be discussed as long as their is healthy communication. The problem is, there isn't any communication.

If you want this Leo back, don't expect him to chase you (in fact he may choose this moment to stand his ground). You need to be the one to reopen communication and get him, since you're the one who left and blocked him in the first place. Otherwise, your other option is to end things and let it drop.

im saying he should seem upset about the situation since at the time it was a goodbye/ breakup. after he insulted my dress sense I said ok you do what you want to do and I'll do what I want to do. separately. and he then simply said good luck. previous to that he was laughing at my annoyance again when I ws lik imnot gonna listen to anyone or take advice.from anyone about my dress sense. and he was lik awww ahahhahaha candy gives up haahhahaha. he always says things that are funny about me in thr third person lik candy does.this.and candy is so hahaha. with the laughter. I'm pretty sure I make him laugh more. than the previous girls. since thier cnvos were more lik I misss you no I miss you more ..ours is more like friend jokes. and then he proceeded to say go on ill ask that girl to help you.big mistake..that was the trigger.for me to say what I said and end it

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Before I make it seem like this entire scenario is the fault of one individual, let me make it clear that you are BOTH at fault here. There is a clear lack of emotional maturity and communication between you two. You are misunderstanding each other on some basic levels, that I'll clarify:

First, the reason why your Leo isn't acting lovey dovey and being as emotional as he was with his exes is because he was burned in the past (more than once). Leos tend to be extremely loving/gushy in our first few relationships, but become more guarded with each break up. This is because our biggest strength and our biggest weakness is our heart. From personal experience I also used to write love letters, notes, etc, but stopped after the first couple of heartbreaks. As I matured and realized that the amount of effort I was putting out wasn't always appreciated.

Also Leo men like to be genuine, spontaneous, and fun in our relationships. We don't like to repeat the same routines, especially if those routines blew up in our faces in the past. There's a really good chance that he has negative memories attached to those exes who received his loves notes. Why try to force that out of him.

Astrology aside, even as a guy it becomes clear that not all women are made equal. Some appreciate love notes, some do not. That's not to say that a guy can't write a love note to his girlfriend from time to time, but it's not something that you should expect. It should be a surprise more so than the status quo. Making a demand for more love notes only tarnishes it.

Also know that you're ideas on sex probably differ greatly from his. Some people believe in sex before marriage and some people don't. Understand that this alone may be a big dividing line between the two of you. Neither idea is wrong, but you want to make sure you're in a relationship where the needs of both parties are being met. If the Leo doesn't feel the same intimacy with you as he felt with his exes, that could explain his hesitation to open up emotionally to you. Likewise, if you don't feel that sex is a necessary component to your relationship prior to marriage, you'll want to find a man who agrees with that wholeheartedly.

Next know that you are the woman and he is the man. For some reason there is this myth that men are supposed to be the ones who emotionally bond in the relationship. This often leads to a lot of confusion. Men are the ones who initiate, this is true, but we aren't the emotional ones. We're the ones who are taught to be "tough" and "not cry" when we're boys. Women are the typically the more emotional beings. There are a lot of biological and psychological reasons for this, but know that men are designed to want a physical connection in relationships while women are designed to want an emotional one. As a species we trade one connection for the other.

Beyond that your next complaint seems a bit controlling on your part. Leos are generally busy people. I also prefer to meet with people on Fridays rather than Tuesdays, usually because of work (for example my birthday was last Tuesday and I barely celebrated that day until I was persuaded by a friend. I even told a few friends I didn't plan to do anything since I prefer the weekends).

It sounds like the Leo is probably similar and has a healthy social life. If you want to have a healthy relationship with him, that shouldn't be an issue for you. If he hasn't seen his friends in a month because he's been with you and/or working, then you have no reason to be upset with him. You getting angry over something like this makes you seem high maintenance.

After that you started acting passive aggressively and gave him the silent treatment instead of communicating like an adult. A healthy relationship must have open communication, otherwise it won't work. Honestly, his mistake was condoning your behavior. He should have put his foot down and called you out instead of trying to bribe you with a vacation. Instead he rewarded your behavior which was a quick way to instill a bad habit.

Beyond that everything else went downhill from there. It sounds like even thoguh you criticized and nagged him about his lack of affection often, he never actually ignored you in any way. It sounds like he was present, but he's not meeting your (potentially unrealistic) expectations. Showing him a picture of another couple and criticizing was childish. Again his mistake was condoning your behavior. He should have once again put his foot down and called you out on this.

Let me reiterate that you are not entirely at fault here, since it takes two to tango. The Leo should not have insulted your appearance. That was rude and ignorant of him. In fact the reason you may have been less feminine around him lately was literally because your emotional needs weren't being met (more on this later). Guys do not always understand that arguing with women isn't always appropriate either. We hear the words, but have a hard time listening between the lines. So instead of listening to you, your Leo became defensive and retaliated. This of course made you feel unheard and unloved.

Granted you haven't been an angel in all of this, but he should have acknowledged your feelings. Due to this you've been slowly shutting down on him and because he doesn't know how to respond to this, he's only making it worse. As you have backed away, he has become even more stubborn.

Another problem is that you keep taking the passive aggressive route. You blew up at him, ran out, and blocked him, thereby cutting off any potential healthy communication between you two. As I said before, a relationship can not survive without healthy communication. If you have a concern with him, you need to voice it directly like an adult and then hear him out. Sounds like you've been making more demands than anything else.

Furthermore you try too hard to control things, including him. This is especially difficult to do when dealing with a Leo man (or any man in general). Leo men always want to be in control of our own lives and we do not like to be bossed around or nagged. If that happens, we become obstinate and even more difficult to control. Leos can be very stubborn so it takes a cool and gentle hand to coerce us.

It sounds like the sexual polarity between you two is off as well. You expect him to be more emotional (which we've already discussed) and he expects you to be more feminine. Sinc you don't feel emotionally comfortable, you've probably been holding back on that front. Additonally, both of you are also looking to dominate the other. That's a problem. If one of you tends to be more masculine, then the other one needs to be more femine. If both of you are both too feminine or two masculine, you're going to bump heads and turn each other off.

If the polarity is off, attraction is lowered, which kills intimacy. So the lack of intimacy is the next thing to consider here. There's nothing wrong with waiting to have sex after marriage. In fact a lot of people probably should be more responsible with their approach to sex. However there's nothing wrong with not wanting to wait either. Sex can help create a bond between two people that other forms of intimacy simply can't match. So the question is, are each of your intimacy needs being met?

I have a friend who believes in sex before marriage. This created frequent and unnecessary conflicts between him and his ex. Literally the two of them would ccnstantly bicker about nonsense and blow issues out of proportion. In reality it was because their needs weren't being met. In reality they simply weren't right for one another because neither could fully conform/compromise to the other's ideals.

I also think that your concerns stem from your own insecurities. From what you've posted, the Leo sounds like a normal guy (maybe not the most enlightened, but normal). It doesn't appear as if he goes out of his way to hurt or disrespect you really. In lieu of that though, you've mentioned certain "problems" you've had with him: he's not emotional enough, he wants to spend time with his friends, he follows too many women on Instagram, he's not taking things seriously enough. These all sound like more personal concerns of yours than actual issues with the relationship. These are all things that can be discussed as long as their is healthy communication. The problem is, there isn't any communication.

If you want this Leo back, don't expect him to chase you (in fact he may choose this moment to stand his ground). You need to be the one to reopen communication and get him, since you're the one who left and blocked him in the first place. Otherwise, your other option is to end things and let it drop.

so it's all that jokeyNess and lack of affection in terms of expressing his emotions towards.me. other than laughing at me.constantly and finding me hilarious which keeps me guessing as to how he really feels about me.deep down. and then him mentioning other.women doesn't help the situation

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I guess I don't like to be controlled or like a wilting flower n maybe thas what he wants.a women who dresses nice.for him n who gives in sexually neither of which I do. but in person we tend to get along alrite.and actually he seems.to be the one.who argues.with me or gets upset at.me over silly.things. and.for me the lack of emotion gets to me, we have.fun but I mean he can't even hug me properly which I find weird(an im nt an actually huggy person). bt once in a while is ok. so when is tested.him saying let's hug he said no I don't hug ?..constantly he kept saying that n to me that correlates with if u care.about someone you would wanna do that n he's lik let's get.to the good part (he meant sexually) so that offended me aswell. If I gt that gt affection from him maybe I'd b more open minded.to wht he wants bt he expects sex bt can't express that he cares about me. or even giv.a.simple hug. yet as far as I know he's not a psycho and I'm pretty sure he was loved up with his exes in that way bt not me.

maybe he doesn't go out of his way to hurt me but complacency to me is hurtful. and indifference.

So in this case, be very clear. Let him know that you want a man who is physically and verbally affectionate. While you do value his presence, you NEED to feel loved. Let him know that the relationship won't work if he can't be loving towards you.

You really shouldn't have to ask your boyfriend for a hug. That's downright strange. It sounds like he's emotionally holding back. Whatever his rationale is, be clear with him and let him know what you want. Also ask him what he wants (aside from sex) that would make him feel comfortable.

The main issue I'm seeing that there hasn't been enough open communication between you two.

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so it's all that jokeyNess and lack of affection in terms of expressing his emotions towards.me. other than laughing at me.constantly and finding me hilarious which keeps me guessing as to how he really feels about me.deep down. and then him mentioning other.women doesn't help the situation

Another thing to know is that if this guy isn't making you feel loved, instead of getting upset, just pump the brakes. That doesn't mean go silent on him. It just means observe him a bit more without getting emotionally tied up. Be more pragmatic and only give him as much energy as he's putting out.

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im saying he should seem upset about the situation since at the time it was a goodbye/ breakup. after he insulted my dress sense I said ok you do what you want to do and I'll do what I want to do. separately. and he then simply said good luck. previous to that he was laughing at my annoyance again when I ws lik imnot gonna listen to anyone or take advice.from anyone about my dress sense. and he was lik awww ahahhahaha candy gives up haahhahaha. he always says things that are funny about me in thr third person lik candy does.this.and candy is so hahaha. with the laughter. I'm pretty sure I make him laugh more. than the previous girls. since thier cnvos were more lik I misss you no I miss you more ..ours is more like friend jokes. and then he proceeded to say go on ill ask that girl to help you.big mistake..that was the trigger.for me to say what I said and end it

Sounds like he's not completely invested in this relationship. There's saying, "The person who cares the least, controls the relationship." For whatevever reason he's may not be as into you as you are into him.

In which case my advice would be to simply move on and find someone who does appereciates you.

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yea I know as usual ill have to be the one to contact.him or intitiate first. but what's new hey.

anothrr thing with the exes he would show some amount of anger if they do anything terrible to him. with me all he does is laugh in his messages lik im a big joke and say I've gone "crazy" ye he seems to find me quite hilarious apparently. Instead of being lik alright candy ill listen to what you're saying. this is why I took the passive agressive route since so he can realise his mistake...since talking doesn't help. maybe he can start to miss me.and feel lik he lost me.so he will take me.seriously next time. then again might b too optimistic there. fair enough if I knew he was just that type of person with evryone but again since iv seen his serious side with the exes and with me he jst laughs at evryting i do I feel like he cares less about me than anyone else.

I also saw pics from his friends wedding on instagram he seems to be gettin on perfectly fine without me, showing off to his 700 female followers. and doing hashtags. no sadness there.for sure. just gettin on with his life as if I wasn't a big part of it.

Well that's the problem. Whenever you go silent, he KNOWS you're going to come back. The passive aggressive game runs thin on Leos FAST. Once we realize we are being manipulated, we either get angry and ghost OR we manipulate back. Either way, it's not the outcome you'd want.

Remember that Leo is a fixed sign, so we think in terms of black and white primarily. Actions should always have permanence in our minds. If you leave us, then be prepared to stay gone. Once you come back, you've show your lack of resolve. That's when a Leo knows you're only playing mind games.

It also possible that since the two of you haven't been physical, he may not be taking this connection very seriously. As I mentioned before, men are biologically seeking a physical connection. That doesn't mean you should feel pressured into having sex with him. If you don't believe in sex before marriage, definitely stick to that. This however may not be the right guy for you.

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I am a virgo with a scorpio moon. and I think he also has a scorpio moon aswell. I kinda found out the other day much to my surprise given his lack of emotional expression.

youre right he was burned in the past in the sense his relationships didn't work out and he seemed to "love" those girls..unlike me.clearly ?. one of the exes is married now and I'm pretty sure he would hav married her. I don't necessarily expect a love note tht was just an example of the extent he went to with others. It would be nice if he gave me somethng.though, a couple of words even but no hes too stubborn. all he says is oh u don't like all that anyway..in a way I'm not a particularly gushy person myself in terms of what I say to a guy but if needed I would say something from time to time bt since I don't get tht from him I don't say it to him either. fr example he will ask me if I missed him or prod me to say I have bt when I do the same he will avoid the subject. like wtf.

fair enough men are taught to hold back on emotions and women are taught to show them but since ive seen how previously expressive he was with the exes he has that in him

Ah, I see now. So the main issue is you're both holding back from one another. The problem is you're expecting him to show up in a way that you're not showing up yourself. If you expect something to grow, you must first plant the seed.

This is a common problem between Leos and Virgos. A Leo may be more expressive but we are also still on guard. Virgos are calculated and express love through actions more so than words or affectionate displays. The issue is you two speak two different love languages.

For the Leo guy he shows that he cares by being around you (which is common for Leos). If a Leo is constantly around you, that means we care. My guess is he's holding back because you are not demonstrative. The other women probably were, which made him more comfortable. Have you tried being as gushy as you want him to be?

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Ihe told me once that in order.to get.someome to open up you have to start.things off and he said he did that with his ex. he's so understanding.when it.comes.to them. I havnt been gushy not properly but I hav said.things to him like he's my best friend and I tink on the odd.occasion I did but stopped promptly when I didn't get much back.

I think he enjoys being around me because once we went to the beach not.too long ago and even after all those hours in another city he was lik let's.go catch a movie even though it ws practicly the.end of.the.night so he tries to prolong our long days out too. but I mean sometimes getting him to come out is.a chore. but when we are together it's.fine

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im not high maintenance at all its just the lack of anyting.from him gets me thinking if he wants me at all now so then when he says he can't meet it gets me.thinking. also I can't stand people who lie, he said he had to help his friend with his.wedding when his friends wedding is next week n mostly it's the.women who do all the planning not thr men and saying he has to spend an entire week doing that while the next week he couldn't meet either becsuse it's his friends wedding (ome day) seemed a bit suspicious. and already that weekend I knew he had.gone out with his friends so where was the planning with his.friends then? why not just.just say I want to spend time with my..friends .more than you currently. I would have appreciated that more.

I was offended at his comments about how mt appearance isn't good enough for.him well apparently.it's.good enough for him to wanna hug and kiss and be all over.me when I meet.him.

That's fair, but if I had to guess he lied because he wanted to hang out with his friends and didn't want to create any drama between you. As I mentioned in my response, it does seem like you have a tendency to nag him a bit. If I had to guess he lied to avoid creating an issue. Granted he should have been straight forward with you, but at the same time you should probably lighten up a bit too.

That's not to say that you should let him walk over you. Next time voice your complaint directly and clearly. Don't get upset and stop communicating with him. Leos will typically laugh off an argument we don't wish to have. It's our way of lightening the mood and calming the other person down. This is especially true when we don't understand the source of the anger/argument.

The Leo guy probably thought that you were blowing this out of proportion. If he's incorrect, you need to explain to him why. Shutting down and giving him the silent treatment only hurts you in the long run and ultimately solved nothing.

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last week actually he said to me I've.got.a giant ego according.to him and that's why he avoids telling me something iv done wrong beca use he knows ill take it the wrong way and he doesn't wnna have a dispute with me or.argue with me

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yea I know as usual ill have to be the one to contact.him or intitiate first. but what's new hey.

anothrr thing with the exes he would show some amount of anger if they do anything terrible to him. with me all he does is laugh in his messages lik im a big joke and say I've gone "crazy" ye he seems to find me quite hilarious apparently. Instead of being lik alright candy ill listen to what you're saying. this is why I took the passive agressive route since so he can realise his mistake...since talking doesn't help. maybe he can start to miss me.and feel lik he lost me.so he will take me.seriously next time. then again might b too optimistic there. fair enough if I knew he was just that type of person with evryone but again since iv seen his serious side with the exes and with me he jst laughs at evryting i do I feel like he cares less about me than anyone else.

I also saw pics from his friends wedding on instagram he seems to be gettin on perfectly fine without me, showing off to his 700 female followers. and doing hashtags. no sadness there.for sure. just gettin on with his life as if I wasn't a big part of it.

Well that's the problem. Whenever you go silent, he KNOWS you're going to come back. The passive aggressive game runs thin on Leos FAST. Once we realize we are being manipulated, we either get angry and ghost OR we manipulate back. Either way, it's not the outcome you'd want.

Remember that Leo is a fixed sign, so we think in terms of black and white primarily. Actions should always have permanence in our minds. If you leave us, then be prepared to stay gone. Once you come back, you've show your lack of resolve. That's when a Leo knows you're only playing mind games.

It also possible that since the two of you haven't been physical, he may not be taking this connection very seriously. As I mentioned before, men are biologically seeking a physical connection. That doesn't mean you should feel pressured into having sex with him. If you don't believe in sex before marriage, definitely stick to that. This however may not be the right guy for you.

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ye I said something to him and.to him it was personal lik I asked.somethng of.him I can't remember what exactly but he was lik we are not on that level yet since we havnt even had sex. and I ws.shocked that he said.that.since.to me we've.already gone past.so many levels having known each other.so long. I gues for men itz.always about sex *rolls eyes* he also said love Is not emotional it's.also physical a physical connection

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yea I know as usual ill have to be the one to contact.him or intitiate first. but what's new hey.

anothrr thing with the exes he would show some amount of anger if they do anything terrible to him. with me all he does is laugh in his messages lik im a big joke and say I've gone "crazy" ye he seems to find me quite hilarious apparently. Instead of being lik alright candy ill listen to what you're saying. this is why I took the passive agressive route since so he can realise his mistake...since talking doesn't help. maybe he can start to miss me.and feel lik he lost me.so he will take me.seriously next time. then again might b too optimistic there. fair enough if I knew he was just that type of person with evryone but again since iv seen his serious side with the exes and with me he jst laughs at evryting i do I feel like he cares less about me than anyone else.

I also saw pics from his friends wedding on instagram he seems to be gettin on perfectly fine without me, showing off to his 700 female followers. and doing hashtags. no sadness there.for sure. just gettin on with his life as if I wasn't a big part of it.

Well that's the problem. Whenever you go silent, he KNOWS you're going to come back. The passive aggressive game runs thin on Leos FAST. Once we realize we are being manipulated, we either get angry and ghost OR we manipulate back. Either way, it's not the outcome you'd want.

Remember that Leo is a fixed sign, so we think in terms of black and white primarily. Actions should always have permanence in our minds. If you leave us, then be prepared to stay gone. Once you come back, you've show your lack of resolve. That's when a Leo knows you're only playing mind games.

It also possible that since the two of you haven't been physical, he may not be taking this connection very seriously. As I mentioned before, men are biologically seeking a physical connection. That doesn't mean you should feel pressured into having sex with him. If you don't believe in sex before marriage, definitely stick to that. This however may not be the right guy for you.

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I was gonna come back and say actually I only came back because I remember u owed me money so as.to not look.a fool . also it's his birthday coming up but I was.only.going.was.only.going.to say happy belated so purposely not messge him on the day.

ye thr.first.time when i was angry at him over meeting it didn't last that long.since he was actually trying.to cheer.me.up and trying so I gave up with my.attitude.and he goes well that.didn't last long.did it. and he laughed.about it. n im jst lik thiking.does he want me to really go away or.something youre not meant to say such a thing if u want.to keep someone around.

anyway I know.it's been mind games.so far but in reality I can. see myself cutting him off.for good at one point least when he expects it.

I know you said it.seems lik im more invested but ironically enough it was him who said he had feelings for me.right at the start when we were just friends. so he started off wanting it all. and again at the time he mentioned sex and how he could then open up to me.if we went on holiday togther.and talk to me.about his feelings. needless.to say that.didn't happen and also at that time according to him I chose another guy over.him then he proceeded to go back to his ex whilst still having me in his life like I am now. but emotionally Investing in her. bt tht.didn't work out then he came back to me and did say he didn't forget what I did. essentially all I did was.go to prison and.visit another guy who I had history.with. but I never stopped talking to this guy and obv.the other one was in prison so nothng.could happen there anyway and nothjng.did bt he saw it as a betrayal I actually.frget tht happened but when I say to him well u left.me.fr ur ex. he always says well don't frget.what u did.

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I am a virgo with a scorpio moon. and I think he also has a scorpio moon aswell. I kinda found out the other day much to my surprise given his lack of emotional expression.

youre right he was burned in the past in the sense his relationships didn't work out and he seemed to "love" those girls..unlike me.clearly ?. one of the exes is married now and I'm pretty sure he would hav married her. I don't necessarily expect a love note tht was just an example of the extent he went to with others. It would be nice if he gave me somethng.though, a couple of words even but no hes too stubborn. all he says is oh u don't like all that anyway..in a way I'm not a particularly gushy person myself in terms of what I say to a guy but if needed I would say something from time to time bt since I don't get tht from him I don't say it to him either. fr example he will ask me if I missed him or prod me to say I have bt when I do the same he will avoid the subject. like wtf.

fair enough men are taught to hold back on emotions and women are taught to show them but since ive seen how previously expressive he was with the exes he has that in him

Ah, I see now. So the main issue is you're both holding back from one another. The problem is you're expecting him to show up in a way that you're not showing up yourself. If you expect something to grow, you must first plant the seed.

This is a common problem between Leos and Virgos. A Leo may be more expressive but we are also still on guard. Virgos are calculated and express love through actions more so than words or affectionate displays. The issue is you two speak two different love languages.

For the Leo guy he shows that he cares by being around you (which is common for Leos). If a Leo is constantly around you, that means we care. My guess is he's holding back because you are not demonstrative. The other women probably were, which made him more comfortable. Have you tried being as gushy as you want him to be?

Ihe told me once that in order.to get.someome to open up you have to start.things off and he said he did that with his ex. he's so understanding.when it.comes.to them. I havnt been gushy not properly but I hav said.things to him like he's my best friend and I tink on the odd.occasion I did but stopped promptly when I didn't get much back.

I think he enjoys being around me because once we went to the beach not.too long ago and even after all those hours in another city he was lik let's.go catch a movie even though it ws practicly the.end of.the.night so he tries to prolong our long days out too. but I mean sometimes getting him to come out is.a chore. but when we are together it's.fine

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That's another issue between Leos and Virgos (or men in women too). No guy wants to hear, "you're my best friend" from the woman he's dating. I've noticed Virgos tend to throw this word around a lot more to downplay their emotions. Leos don't respond this though. We want partners who offer a degree of passion (something we can't get from anyone else). We also generally have a lot of friends (or a solid social circle). The last thing we are looking for is a "friendship" when it comes to romance.

Leos also respond to the direct approach, since we admired strength. A partner who can be upfront with us about their feelings will win us over a lot faster. So if things seem to be too platonic, a Leo won't put in too much effort.

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im not high maintenance at all its just the lack of anyting.from him gets me thinking if he wants me at all now so then when he says he can't meet it gets me.thinking. also I can't stand people who lie, he said he had to help his friend with his.wedding when his friends wedding is next week n mostly it's the.women who do all the planning not thr men and saying he has to spend an entire week doing that while the next week he couldn't meet either becsuse it's his friends wedding (ome day) seemed a bit suspicious. and already that weekend I knew he had.gone out with his friends so where was the planning with his.friends then? why not just.just say I want to spend time with my..friends .more than you currently. I would have appreciated that more.

I was offended at his comments about how mt appearance isn't good enough for.him well apparently.it's.good enough for him to wanna hug and kiss and be all over.me when I meet.him.

That's fair, but if I had to guess he lied because he wanted to hang out with his friends and didn't want to create any drama between you. As I mentioned in my response, it does seem like you have a tendency to nag him a bit. If I had to guess he lied to avoid creating an issue. Granted he should have been straight forward with you, but at the same time you should probably lighten up a bit too.

That's not to say that you should let him walk over you. Next time voice your complaint directly and clearly. Don't get upset and stop communicating with him. Leos will typically laugh off an argument we don't wish to have. It's our way of lightening the mood and calming the other person down. This is especially true when we don't understand the source of the anger/argument.

The Leo guy probably thought that you were blowing this out of proportion. If he's incorrect, you need to explain to him why. Shutting down and giving him the silent treatment only hurts you in the long run and ultimately solved nothing.

last week actually he said to me I've.got.a giant ego according.to him and that's why he avoids telling me something iv done wrong beca use he knows ill take it the wrong way and he doesn't wnna have a dispute with me or.argue with me

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Sounds about right. Virgos can often be very critical and Leos often don't like to be criticized. Again it's not right that he lied, but also look at why he did it. If everything winds up blowing up into a dispute between you two, that explains a lot. Also look at WHAT he lied about. He shouldn't have to lie to you so that he can hang out with his friends. There's a lack of trust here between you two that is very troubling.

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I am a virgo with a scorpio moon. and I think he also has a scorpio moon aswell. I kinda found out the other day much to my surprise given his lack of emotional expression.

youre right he was burned in the past in the sense his relationships didn't work out and he seemed to "love" those girls..unlike me.clearly ?. one of the exes is married now and I'm pretty sure he would hav married her. I don't necessarily expect a love note tht was just an example of the extent he went to with others. It would be nice if he gave me somethng.though, a couple of words even but no hes too stubborn. all he says is oh u don't like all that anyway..in a way I'm not a particularly gushy person myself in terms of what I say to a guy but if needed I would say something from time to time bt since I don't get tht from him I don't say it to him either. fr example he will ask me if I missed him or prod me to say I have bt when I do the same he will avoid the subject. like wtf.

fair enough men are taught to hold back on emotions and women are taught to show them but since ive seen how previously expressive he was with the exes he has that in him

Ah, I see now. So the main issue is you're both holding back from one another. The problem is you're expecting him to show up in a way that you're not showing up yourself. If you expect something to grow, you must first plant the seed.

This is a common problem between Leos and Virgos. A Leo may be more expressive but we are also still on guard. Virgos are calculated and express love through actions more so than words or affectionate displays. The issue is you two speak two different love languages.

For the Leo guy he shows that he cares by being around you (which is common for Leos). If a Leo is constantly around you, that means we care. My guess is he's holding back because you are not demonstrative. The other women probably were, which made him more comfortable. Have you tried being as gushy as you want him to be?

Ihe told me once that in order.to get.someome to open up you have to start.things off and he said he did that with his ex. he's so understanding.when it.comes.to them. I havnt been gushy not properly but I hav said.things to him like he's my best friend and I tink on the odd.occasion I did but stopped promptly when I didn't get much back.

I think he enjoys being around me because once we went to the beach not.too long ago and even after all those hours in another city he was lik let's.go catch a movie even though it ws practicly the.end of.the.night so he tries to prolong our long days out too. but I mean sometimes getting him to come out is.a chore. but when we are together it's.fine

That's another issue between Leos and Virgos (or men in women too). No guy wants to hear, "you're my best friend" from the woman he's dating. I've noticed Virgos tend to throw this word around a lot more to downplay their emotions. Leos don't respond this though. We want partners who offer a degree of passion (something we can't get from anyone else). We also generally have a lot of friends (or a solid social circle). The last thing we are looking for is a "friendship" when it comes to romance.

Leos also respond to the direct approach, since we admired strength. A partner who can be upfront with us about their feelings will win us over a lot faster. So if things seem to be too platonic, a Leo won't put in too much effort.

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they say thr best relationships are based on friendship.though so if he was my best friend that doesn't mean. to say he's just my.friend..but.also my.friend aswell as more

I did read the messages from his ex to him..and she was very very gushy, she would use words lik honey baby and I love you ths much ..and you know how women can be extra sweet to their man.so she was lik that..but he responded in kind. I don't think I could be too much like that because I just find that too much like pass me the sick bucket however if he was even ten per.cent towards me how he was with her I would try to open up more. but I guess me and him hav a different kind of relationship and maybe I am partly to blame.

also when for example I'd b sitting in the car with him his now ex would message and hd b so quick uo react

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yea I know as usual ill have to be the one to contact.him or intitiate first. but what's new hey.

anothrr thing with the exes he would show some amount of anger if they do anything terrible to him. with me all he does is laugh in his messages lik im a big joke and say I've gone "crazy" ye he seems to find me quite hilarious apparently. Instead of being lik alright candy ill listen to what you're saying. this is why I took the passive agressive route since so he can realise his mistake...since talking doesn't help. maybe he can start to miss me.and feel lik he lost me.so he will take me.seriously next time. then again might b too optimistic there. fair enough if I knew he was just that type of person with evryone but again since iv seen his serious side with the exes and with me he jst laughs at evryting i do I feel like he cares less about me than anyone else.

I also saw pics from his friends wedding on instagram he seems to be gettin on perfectly fine without me, showing off to his 700 female followers. and doing hashtags. no sadness there.for sure. just gettin on with his life as if I wasn't a big part of it.

Well that's the problem. Whenever you go silent, he KNOWS you're going to come back. The passive aggressive game runs thin on Leos FAST. Once we realize we are being manipulated, we either get angry and ghost OR we manipulate back. Either way, it's not the outcome you'd want.

Remember that Leo is a fixed sign, so we think in terms of black and white primarily. Actions should always have permanence in our minds. If you leave us, then be prepared to stay gone. Once you come back, you've show your lack of resolve. That's when a Leo knows you're only playing mind games.

It also possible that since the two of you haven't been physical, he may not be taking this connection very seriously. As I mentioned before, men are biologically seeking a physical connection. That doesn't mean you should feel pressured into having sex with him. If you don't believe in sex before marriage, definitely stick to that. This however may not be the right guy for you.

ye I said something to him and.to him it was personal lik I asked.somethng of.him I can't remember what exactly but he was lik we are not on that level yet since we havnt even had sex. and I ws.shocked that he said.that.since.to me we've.already gone past.so many levels having known each other.so long. I gues for men itz.always about sex *rolls eyes* he also said love Is not emotional it's.also physical a physical connection

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I wouldn't say that it's only about sex for men, but you have to understand how each gender operates. Sex is very much engrained into how our species operates. As I mentioned before you really should find a guy who feels the same way about sex as you do. This Leo probably feels as his physical needs are not being met, so he sees no point in meeting your emotional needs. To him it's just a lot of work with little reward. This may also be why he let you walk away so easily.

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I am a virgo with a scorpio moon. and I think he also has a scorpio moon aswell. I kinda found out the other day much to my surprise given his lack of emotional expression.

youre right he was burned in the past in the sense his relationships didn't work out and he seemed to "love" those girls..unlike me.clearly ?. one of the exes is married now and I'm pretty sure he would hav married her. I don't necessarily expect a love note tht was just an example of the extent he went to with others. It would be nice if he gave me somethng.though, a couple of words even but no hes too stubborn. all he says is oh u don't like all that anyway..in a way I'm not a particularly gushy person myself in terms of what I say to a guy but if needed I would say something from time to time bt since I don't get tht from him I don't say it to him either. fr example he will ask me if I missed him or prod me to say I have bt when I do the same he will avoid the subject. like wtf.

fair enough men are taught to hold back on emotions and women are taught to show them but since ive seen how previously expressive he was with the exes he has that in him

Ah, I see now. So the main issue is you're both holding back from one another. The problem is you're expecting him to show up in a way that you're not showing up yourself. If you expect something to grow, you must first plant the seed.

This is a common problem between Leos and Virgos. A Leo may be more expressive but we are also still on guard. Virgos are calculated and express love through actions more so than words or affectionate displays. The issue is you two speak two different love languages.

For the Leo guy he shows that he cares by being around you (which is common for Leos). If a Leo is constantly around you, that means we care. My guess is he's holding back because you are not demonstrative. The other women probably were, which made him more comfortable. Have you tried being as gushy as you want him to be?

Ihe told me once that in order.to get.someome to open up you have to start.things off and he said he did that with his ex. he's so understanding.when it.comes.to them. I havnt been gushy not properly but I hav said.things to him like he's my best friend and I tink on the odd.occasion I did but stopped promptly when I didn't get much back.

I think he enjoys being around me because once we went to the beach not.too long ago and even after all those hours in another city he was lik let's.go catch a movie even though it ws practicly the.end of.the.night so he tries to prolong our long days out too. but I mean sometimes getting him to come out is.a chore. but when we are together it's.fine

That's another issue between Leos and Virgos (or men in women too). No guy wants to hear, "you're my best friend" from the woman he's dating. I've noticed Virgos tend to throw this word around a lot more to downplay their emotions. Leos don't respond this though. We want partners who offer a degree of passion (something we can't get from anyone else). We also generally have a lot of friends (or a solid social circle). The last thing we are looking for is a "friendship" when it comes to romance.

Leos also respond to the direct approach, since we admired strength. A partner who can be upfront with us about their feelings will win us over a lot faster. So if things seem to be too platonic, a Leo won't put in too much effort.

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he would b so quick to react when she messaged. its like he lived for those moments. bt then to me.when I'd read wt they would say to each other I would just.think get a room seriously lol. It ws overly mushy. but I guess he likes that then.

once I do remmeber when he ws stil tlkig to the ex but me aswell I did say something back then which was me.beig.vulnerable emotionally and he comes out with CANDY we are just friends. but at the time we would meet still and he would be physical with me so tht.confused me I guess. so he's been really horrible in the past. so if I react how I am now I feel it's justified.

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im not high maintenance at all its just the lack of anyting.from him gets me thinking if he wants me at all now so then when he says he can't meet it gets me.thinking. also I can't stand people who lie, he said he had to help his friend with his.wedding when his friends wedding is next week n mostly it's the.women who do all the planning not thr men and saying he has to spend an entire week doing that while the next week he couldn't meet either becsuse it's his friends wedding (ome day) seemed a bit suspicious. and already that weekend I knew he had.gone out with his friends so where was the planning with his.friends then? why not just.just say I want to spend time with my..friends .more than you currently. I would have appreciated that more.

I was offended at his comments about how mt appearance isn't good enough for.him well apparently.it's.good enough for him to wanna hug and kiss and be all over.me when I meet.him.

That's fair, but if I had to guess he lied because he wanted to hang out with his friends and didn't want to create any drama between you. As I mentioned in my response, it does seem like you have a tendency to nag him a bit. If I had to guess he lied to avoid creating an issue. Granted he should have been straight forward with you, but at the same time you should probably lighten up a bit too.

That's not to say that you should let him walk over you. Next time voice your complaint directly and clearly. Don't get upset and stop communicating with him. Leos will typically laugh off an argument we don't wish to have. It's our way of lightening the mood and calming the other person down. This is especially true when we don't understand the source of the anger/argument.

The Leo guy probably thought that you were blowing this out of proportion. If he's incorrect, you need to explain to him why. Shutting down and giving him the silent treatment only hurts you in the long run and ultimately solved nothing.

last week actually he said to me I've.got.a giant ego according.to him and that's why he avoids telling me something iv done wrong beca use he knows ill take it the wrong way and he doesn't wnna have a dispute with me or.argue with me

Sounds about right. Virgos can often be very critical and Leos often don't like to be criticized. Again it's not right that he lied, but also look at why he did it. If everything winds up blowing up into a dispute between you two, that explains a lot. Also look at WHAT he lied about. He shouldn't have to lie to you so that he can hang out with his friends. There's a lack of trust here between you two that is very troubling.

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but surely you only lie if you're scared of losing the person otherwise why lie just be straight with them. why would he.care if we hav a dispute.. unless he is afraid of how ill be towards him

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yea I know as usual ill have to be the one to contact.him or intitiate first. but what's new hey.

anothrr thing with the exes he would show some amount of anger if they do anything terrible to him. with me all he does is laugh in his messages lik im a big joke and say I've gone "crazy" ye he seems to find me quite hilarious apparently. Instead of being lik alright candy ill listen to what you're saying. this is why I took the passive agressive route since so he can realise his mistake...since talking doesn't help. maybe he can start to miss me.and feel lik he lost me.so he will take me.seriously next time. then again might b too optimistic there. fair enough if I knew he was just that type of person with evryone but again since iv seen his serious side with the exes and with me he jst laughs at evryting i do I feel like he cares less about me than anyone else.

I also saw pics from his friends wedding on instagram he seems to be gettin on perfectly fine without me, showing off to his 700 female followers. and doing hashtags. no sadness there.for sure. just gettin on with his life as if I wasn't a big part of it.

Well that's the problem. Whenever you go silent, he KNOWS you're going to come back. The passive aggressive game runs thin on Leos FAST. Once we realize we are being manipulated, we either get angry and ghost OR we manipulate back. Either way, it's not the outcome you'd want.

Remember that Leo is a fixed sign, so we think in terms of black and white primarily. Actions should always have permanence in our minds. If you leave us, then be prepared to stay gone. Once you come back, you've show your lack of resolve. That's when a Leo knows you're only playing mind games.

It also possible that since the two of you haven't been physical, he may not be taking this connection very seriously. As I mentioned before, men are biologically seeking a physical connection. That doesn't mean you should feel pressured into having sex with him. If you don't believe in sex before marriage, definitely stick to that. This however may not be the right guy for you.

ye I said something to him and.to him it was personal lik I asked.somethng of.him I can't remember what exactly but he was lik we are not on that level yet since we havnt even had sex. and I ws.shocked that he said.that.since.to me we've.already gone past.so many levels having known each other.so long. I gues for men itz.always about sex *rolls eyes* he also said love Is not emotional it's.also physical a physical connection

I wouldn't say that it's only about sex for men, but you have to understand how each gender operates. Sex is very much engrained into how our species operates. As I mentioned before you really should find a guy who feels the same way about sex as you do. This Leo probably feels as his physical needs are not being met, so he sees no point in meeting your emotional needs. To him it's just a lot of work with little reward. This may also be why he let you walk away so easily.

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it's not like we are not physical at all ...he does a lot of other.things but I don't let it gt to the full on sex stage..

yeh maybe it is a lot of work with little reward according to him but I suppose my values are different to his, I see it as we hav a strong friendship and we get along really well apart frm these glitches..and so I soldier on and try to keep a hold of it..I guess all he's busy doing is watching.videos.with half-naked women and sending them to me so we.aint on the same page. I don't mean he watches pornos I mean jst "comedy" videos were the.women are pretty looking and wearing next.to nothing he's.constantly watching those bt im pretty.sure he watches.thrm for the women since I don't.find that thy are even that funny...and then the other day he sent me a.video of another.an other.women with ball skills...but she ws in a bikini so again Im pretty.sure it's not because he was impressed.with her skills bt jst so he could see her in a bikini. and then he goes to me if only.candy could.do that. which was probably yet another.thing to lead.up to my outburst at the end

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yea I know as usual ill have to be the one to contact.him or intitiate first. but what's new hey.

anothrr thing with the exes he would show some amount of anger if they do anything terrible to him. with me all he does is laugh in his messages lik im a big joke and say I've gone "crazy" ye he seems to find me quite hilarious apparently. Instead of being lik alright candy ill listen to what you're saying. this is why I took the passive agressive route since so he can realise his mistake...since talking doesn't help. maybe he can start to miss me.and feel lik he lost me.so he will take me.seriously next time. then again might b too optimistic there. fair enough if I knew he was just that type of person with evryone but again since iv seen his serious side with the exes and with me he jst laughs at evryting i do I feel like he cares less about me than anyone else.

I also saw pics from his friends wedding on instagram he seems to be gettin on perfectly fine without me, showing off to his 700 female followers. and doing hashtags. no sadness there.for sure. just gettin on with his life as if I wasn't a big part of it.

Well that's the problem. Whenever you go silent, he KNOWS you're going to come back. The passive aggressive game runs thin on Leos FAST. Once we realize we are being manipulated, we either get angry and ghost OR we manipulate back. Either way, it's not the outcome you'd want.

Remember that Leo is a fixed sign, so we think in terms of black and white primarily. Actions should always have permanence in our minds. If you leave us, then be prepared to stay gone. Once you come back, you've show your lack of resolve. That's when a Leo knows you're only playing mind games.

It also possible that since the two of you haven't been physical, he may not be taking this connection very seriously. As I mentioned before, men are biologically seeking a physical connection. That doesn't mean you should feel pressured into having sex with him. If you don't believe in sex before marriage, definitely stick to that. This however may not be the right guy for you.

I was gonna come back and say actually I only came back because I remember u owed me money so as.to not look.a fool . also it's his birthday coming up but I was.only.going.was.only.going.to say happy belated so purposely not messge him on the day.

ye thr.first.time when i was angry at him over meeting it didn't last that long.since he was actually trying.to cheer.me.up and trying so I gave up with my.attitude.and he goes well that.didn't last long.did it. and he laughed.about it. n im jst lik thiking.does he want me to really go away or.something youre not meant to say such a thing if u want.to keep someone around.

anyway I know.it's been mind games.so far but in reality I can. see myself cutting him off.for good at one point least when he expects it.

I know you said it.seems lik im more invested but ironically enough it was him who said he had feelings for me.right at the start when we were just friends. so he started off wanting it all. and again at the time he mentioned sex and how he could then open up to me.if we went on holiday togther.and talk to me.about his feelings. needless.to say that.didn't happen and also at that time according to him I chose another guy over.him then he proceeded to go back to his ex whilst still having me in his life like I am now. but emotionally Investing in her. bt tht.didn't work out then he came back to me and did say he didn't forget what I did. essentially all I did was.go to prison and.visit another guy who I had history.with. but I never stopped talking to this guy and obv.the other one was in prison so nothng.could happen there anyway and nothjng.did bt he saw it as a betrayal I actually.frget tht happened but when I say to him well u left.me.fr ur ex. he always says well don't frget.what u did.

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Ok you seriously need to stop playing the mind games. Don't make up any excuses if you want to talk to him, he'll know it's not the entire truth. He;s going to see right through the facade.

While the Leo may have wanted to start things in the beginning, I can tell he became less invested over time. Every time you go and come back, it gives him a thicker skin. By the time you decide to leave for good, he'll probably be over it. Leos are stubborn, so we're not usually the ones to leave first, but we do have out limits. So it's possible he's already checked out emotionally.

Another thing to know is that every fixed sign (Taurus, Leo, Scorpio, Aquarius) holds loyalty above ALL else. For whatever reason this Leo feels like you have some unfinished business with your ex who is in prison. I can tell you right now that the Leo doesn't fully trust you and has chosen to keep you at arm's length. This is also why he's having trouble opening up to you.

When you started talking to your ex, he decided to seek out his ex in retaliation. He kept the door open for you to return, but he hasn't forgotten this slight to his pride. As a result he's been very non chalant about his approach toward you. My advice is if you want this Leo to take you seriously, he needs to know that he's #1 in your eyes. Stop bringing in third parties into it. If you choose to reconnect with exes, just know your Leo will not take this lightly. Leos want to own our partner's heart. Until have that, we won't move forward.

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I am a virgo with a scorpio moon. and I think he also has a scorpio moon aswell. I kinda found out the other day much to my surprise given his lack of emotional expression.

youre right he was burned in the past in the sense his relationships didn't work out and he seemed to "love" those girls..unlike me.clearly ?. one of the exes is married now and I'm pretty sure he would hav married her. I don't necessarily expect a love note tht was just an example of the extent he went to with others. It would be nice if he gave me somethng.though, a couple of words even but no hes too stubborn. all he says is oh u don't like all that anyway..in a way I'm not a particularly gushy person myself in terms of what I say to a guy but if needed I would say something from time to time bt since I don't get tht from him I don't say it to him either. fr example he will ask me if I missed him or prod me to say I have bt when I do the same he will avoid the subject. like wtf.

fair enough men are taught to hold back on emotions and women are taught to show them but since ive seen how previously expressive he was with the exes he has that in him

Ah, I see now. So the main issue is you're both holding back from one another. The problem is you're expecting him to show up in a way that you're not showing up yourself. If you expect something to grow, you must first plant the seed.

This is a common problem between Leos and Virgos. A Leo may be more expressive but we are also still on guard. Virgos are calculated and express love through actions more so than words or affectionate displays. The issue is you two speak two different love languages.

For the Leo guy he shows that he cares by being around you (which is common for Leos). If a Leo is constantly around you, that means we care. My guess is he's holding back because you are not demonstrative. The other women probably were, which made him more comfortable. Have you tried being as gushy as you want him to be?

Ihe told me once that in order.to get.someome to open up you have to start.things off and he said he did that with his ex. he's so understanding.when it.comes.to them. I havnt been gushy not properly but I hav said.things to him like he's my best friend and I tink on the odd.occasion I did but stopped promptly when I didn't get much back.

I think he enjoys being around me because once we went to the beach not.too long ago and even after all those hours in another city he was lik let's.go catch a movie even though it ws practicly the.end of.the.night so he tries to prolong our long days out too. but I mean sometimes getting him to come out is.a chore. but when we are together it's.fine

That's another issue between Leos and Virgos (or men in women too). No guy wants to hear, "you're my best friend" from the woman he's dating. I've noticed Virgos tend to throw this word around a lot more to downplay their emotions. Leos don't respond this though. We want partners who offer a degree of passion (something we can't get from anyone else). We also generally have a lot of friends (or a solid social circle). The last thing we are looking for is a "friendship" when it comes to romance.

Leos also respond to the direct approach, since we admired strength. A partner who can be upfront with us about their feelings will win us over a lot faster. So if things seem to be too platonic, a Leo won't put in too much effort.

they say thr best relationships are based on friendship.though so if he was my best friend that doesn't mean. to say he's just my.friend..but.also my.friend aswell as more

I did read the messages from his ex to him..and she was very very gushy, she would use words lik honey baby and I love you ths much ..and you know how women can be extra sweet to their man.so she was lik that..but he responded in kind. I don't think I could be too much like that because I just find that too much like pass me the sick bucket however if he was even ten per.cent towards me how he was with her I would try to open up more. but I guess me and him hav a different kind of relationship and maybe I am partly to blame.

also when for example I'd b sitting in the car with him his now ex would message and hd b so quick uo react

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"They" say a lot of things. I'm always the first to say that friendship doesn't necessarily breed romance. There is a reason guys are constantly trying to avoid being put in the "friendzone" by women. Likewise most women will say that they aren't attracted to the men they see as "just friends".

As a result trying to be friends first often creates more confusion than anything else. It's usually a strategy employed to avoid awkwardness and potential rejection. This however often means that two people aren't necessarily being genuine with each other.

Yes, feelings can arise between friends though. It happens. Yes, you do want to be best friends with the person you're dating as well. However if want a romance, then the focus should be on a romantic relationship, not a platonic one. Drop the "friend" labels and be clear with what you want.

As you've already admitted, your Leo is gushy with gushy women. He displays affection to those who are affectionate toward him. It's plain as day. If that's what you want from him, you already know what you must do. It doesn't make sense to get upset with him about something you're not capable of doing yourself. In this way you're just being a hypocrite.

Practice the golden rule. Treat others the way you wish to be treated. If you want him to be emotionally open, then you need to be emotionally open. If you don't want him talking to exes, then YOU shouldn't talk to exes. Work on how you're showing up first before criticizing him. If you're doing everything right and he's still messing up, then call him out on it.

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yea I know as usual ill have to be the one to contact.him or intitiate first. but what's new hey.

anothrr thing with the exes he would show some amount of anger if they do anything terrible to him. with me all he does is laugh in his messages lik im a big joke and say I've gone "crazy" ye he seems to find me quite hilarious apparently. Instead of being lik alright candy ill listen to what you're saying. this is why I took the passive agressive route since so he can realise his mistake...since talking doesn't help. maybe he can start to miss me.and feel lik he lost me.so he will take me.seriously next time. then again might b too optimistic there. fair enough if I knew he was just that type of person with evryone but again since iv seen his serious side with the exes and with me he jst laughs at evryting i do I feel like he cares less about me than anyone else.

I also saw pics from his friends wedding on instagram he seems to be gettin on perfectly fine without me, showing off to his 700 female followers. and doing hashtags. no sadness there.for sure. just gettin on with his life as if I wasn't a big part of it.

Well that's the problem. Whenever you go silent, he KNOWS you're going to come back. The passive aggressive game runs thin on Leos FAST. Once we realize we are being manipulated, we either get angry and ghost OR we manipulate back. Either way, it's not the outcome you'd want.

Remember that Leo is a fixed sign, so we think in terms of black and white primarily. Actions should always have permanence in our minds. If you leave us, then be prepared to stay gone. Once you come back, you've show your lack of resolve. That's when a Leo knows you're only playing mind games.

It also possible that since the two of you haven't been physical, he may not be taking this connection very seriously. As I mentioned before, men are biologically seeking a physical connection. That doesn't mean you should feel pressured into having sex with him. If you don't believe in sex before marriage, definitely stick to that. This however may not be the right guy for you.

ye I said something to him and.to him it was personal lik I asked.somethng of.him I can't remember what exactly but he was lik we are not on that level yet since we havnt even had sex. and I ws.shocked that he said.that.since.to me we've.already gone past.so many levels having known each other.so long. I gues for men itz.always about sex *rolls eyes* he also said love Is not emotional it's.also physical a physical connection

I wouldn't say that it's only about sex for men, but you have to understand how each gender operates. Sex is very much engrained into how our species operates. As I mentioned before you really should find a guy who feels the same way about sex as you do. This Leo probably feels as his physical needs are not being met, so he sees no point in meeting your emotional needs. To him it's just a lot of work with little reward. This may also be why he let you walk away so easily.

it's not like we are not physical at all ...he does a lot of other.things but I don't let it gt to the full on sex stage..

yeh maybe it is a lot of work with little reward according to him but I suppose my values are different to his, I see it as we hav a strong friendship and we get along really well apart frm these glitches..and so I soldier on and try to keep a hold of it..I guess all he's busy doing is watching.videos.with half-naked women and sending them to me so we.aint on the same page. I don't mean he watches pornos I mean jst "comedy" videos were the.women are pretty looking and wearing next.to nothing he's.constantly watching those bt im pretty.sure he watches.thrm for the women since I don't.find that thy are even that funny...and then the other day he sent me a.video of another.an other.women with ball skills...but she ws in a bikini so again Im pretty.sure it's not because he was impressed.with her skills bt jst so he could see her in a bikini. and then he goes to me if only.candy could.do that. which was probably yet another.thing to lead.up to my outburst at the end

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Correct, it sounds like your values are not aligned with his. Also know that sex is more than the physical act. Nothing else quite matches it. The effects is has on the human body chemically, physically, and psychologically are very unique.

Regardless if you two can't see eye-to-eye on this matter, it's best to find someone who matches your mindset.

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im not high maintenance at all its just the lack of anyting.from him gets me thinking if he wants me at all now so then when he says he can't meet it gets me.thinking. also I can't stand people who lie, he said he had to help his friend with his.wedding when his friends wedding is next week n mostly it's the.women who do all the planning not thr men and saying he has to spend an entire week doing that while the next week he couldn't meet either becsuse it's his friends wedding (ome day) seemed a bit suspicious. and already that weekend I knew he had.gone out with his friends so where was the planning with his.friends then? why not just.just say I want to spend time with my..friends .more than you currently. I would have appreciated that more.

I was offended at his comments about how mt appearance isn't good enough for.him well apparently.it's.good enough for him to wanna hug and kiss and be all over.me when I meet.him.

That's fair, but if I had to guess he lied because he wanted to hang out with his friends and didn't want to create any drama between you. As I mentioned in my response, it does seem like you have a tendency to nag him a bit. If I had to guess he lied to avoid creating an issue. Granted he should have been straight forward with you, but at the same time you should probably lighten up a bit too.

That's not to say that you should let him walk over you. Next time voice your complaint directly and clearly. Don't get upset and stop communicating with him. Leos will typically laugh off an argument we don't wish to have. It's our way of lightening the mood and calming the other person down. This is especially true when we don't understand the source of the anger/argument.

The Leo guy probably thought that you were blowing this out of proportion. If he's incorrect, you need to explain to him why. Shutting down and giving him the silent treatment only hurts you in the long run and ultimately solved nothing.

last week actually he said to me I've.got.a giant ego according.to him and that's why he avoids telling me something iv done wrong beca use he knows ill take it the wrong way and he doesn't wnna have a dispute with me or.argue with me

Sounds about right. Virgos can often be very critical and Leos often don't like to be criticized. Again it's not right that he lied, but also look at why he did it. If everything winds up blowing up into a dispute between you two, that explains a lot. Also look at WHAT he lied about. He shouldn't have to lie to you so that he can hang out with his friends. There's a lack of trust here between you two that is very troubling.

but surely you only lie if you're scared of losing the person otherwise why lie just be straight with them. why would he.care if we hav a dispute.. unless he is afraid of how ill be towards him

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Because it's emotionally and mentally exhausting, especially when the matter is trivial. If a guy thinks you're going to get upset or every little thing, he's eventually going to avoid telling you the truth altogether (or ghosting on you). The truth has no value if it's constantly being met with an argument.

Also remember that Leos are positive people and usually optimists at heart. We generally don't enjoy negativity. If your viewpoint is more pessimistic, this is a turn off for us.

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yea I know as usual ill have to be the one to contact.him or intitiate first. but what's new hey.

anothrr thing with the exes he would show some amount of anger if they do anything terrible to him. with me all he does is laugh in his messages lik im a big joke and say I've gone "crazy" ye he seems to find me quite hilarious apparently. Instead of being lik alright candy ill listen to what you're saying. this is why I took the passive agressive route since so he can realise his mistake...since talking doesn't help. maybe he can start to miss me.and feel lik he lost me.so he will take me.seriously next time. then again might b too optimistic there. fair enough if I knew he was just that type of person with evryone but again since iv seen his serious side with the exes and with me he jst laughs at evryting i do I feel like he cares less about me than anyone else.

I also saw pics from his friends wedding on instagram he seems to be gettin on perfectly fine without me, showing off to his 700 female followers. and doing hashtags. no sadness there.for sure. just gettin on with his life as if I wasn't a big part of it.

Well that's the problem. Whenever you go silent, he KNOWS you're going to come back. The passive aggressive game runs thin on Leos FAST. Once we realize we are being manipulated, we either get angry and ghost OR we manipulate back. Either way, it's not the outcome you'd want.

Remember that Leo is a fixed sign, so we think in terms of black and white primarily. Actions should always have permanence in our minds. If you leave us, then be prepared to stay gone. Once you come back, you've show your lack of resolve. That's when a Leo knows you're only playing mind games.

It also possible that since the two of you haven't been physical, he may not be taking this connection very seriously. As I mentioned before, men are biologically seeking a physical connection. That doesn't mean you should feel pressured into having sex with him. If you don't believe in sex before marriage, definitely stick to that. This however may not be the right guy for you.

I was gonna come back and say actually I only came back because I remember u owed me money so as.to not look.a fool . also it's his birthday coming up but I was.only.going.was.only.going.to say happy belated so purposely not messge him on the day.

ye thr.first.time when i was angry at him over meeting it didn't last that long.since he was actually trying.to cheer.me.up and trying so I gave up with my.attitude.and he goes well that.didn't last long.did it. and he laughed.about it. n im jst lik thiking.does he want me to really go away or.something youre not meant to say such a thing if u want.to keep someone around.

anyway I know.it's been mind games.so far but in reality I can. see myself cutting him off.for good at one point least when he expects it.

I know you said it.seems lik im more invested but ironically enough it was him who said he had feelings for me.right at the start when we were just friends. so he started off wanting it all. and again at the time he mentioned sex and how he could then open up to me.if we went on holiday togther.and talk to me.about his feelings. needless.to say that.didn't happen and also at that time according to him I chose another guy over.him then he proceeded to go back to his ex whilst still having me in his life like I am now. but emotionally Investing in her. bt tht.didn't work out then he came back to me and did say he didn't forget what I did. essentially all I did was.go to prison and.visit another guy who I had history.with. but I never stopped talking to this guy and obv.the other one was in prison so nothng.could happen there anyway and nothjng.did bt he saw it as a betrayal I actually.frget tht happened but when I say to him well u left.me.fr ur ex. he always says well don't frget.what u did.

Ok you seriously need to stop playing the mind games. Don't make up any excuses if you want to talk to him, he'll know it's not the entire truth. He;s going to see right through the facade.

While the Leo may have wanted to start things in the beginning, I can tell he became less invested over time. Every time you go and come back, it gives him a thicker skin. By the time you decide to leave for good, he'll probably be over it. Leos are stubborn, so we're not usually the ones to leave first, but we do have out limits. So it's possible he's already checked out emotionally.

Another thing to know is that every fixed sign (Taurus, Leo, Scorpio, Aquarius) holds loyalty above ALL else. For whatever reason this Leo feels like you have some unfinished business with your ex who is in prison. I can tell you right now that the Leo doesn't fully trust you and has chosen to keep you at arm's length. This is also why he's having trouble opening up to you.

When you started talking to your ex, he decided to seek out his ex in retaliation. He kept the door open for you to return, but he hasn't forgotten this slight to his pride. As a result he's been very non chalant about his approach toward you. My advice is if you want this Leo to take you seriously, he needs to know that he's #1 in your eyes. Stop bringing in third parties into it. If you choose to reconnect with exes, just know your Leo will not take this lightly. Leos want to own our partner's heart. Until have that, we won't move forward.

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Well I see it as I visited the guy in prison twice after that nothing happened really but I was still there for the other guy. I didn't leave him behind or ignore him. but what he did was say im in thr middle of talkig to him he would go off for hours ignore what ignore sayig to go talk to his ex. so I would feel abandoned..and pretty much a.whole year I felt like I was thr second choice and when I mention it he jst kept bringing up the prison guy an im like I didn't ignore you for the prison guy or leave you behind.. whereas weeks and weeks would go by where he would be off with his ex and I wouldn't hear from him so what he did was much much worse.

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I am a virgo with a scorpio moon. and I think he also has a scorpio moon aswell. I kinda found out the other day much to my surprise given his lack of emotional expression.

youre right he was burned in the past in the sense his relationships didn't work out and he seemed to "love" those girls..unlike me.clearly ?. one of the exes is married now and I'm pretty sure he would hav married her. I don't necessarily expect a love note tht was just an example of the extent he went to with others. It would be nice if he gave me somethng.though, a couple of words even but no hes too stubborn. all he says is oh u don't like all that anyway..in a way I'm not a particularly gushy person myself in terms of what I say to a guy but if needed I would say something from time to time bt since I don't get tht from him I don't say it to him either. fr example he will ask me if I missed him or prod me to say I have bt when I do the same he will avoid the subject. like wtf.

fair enough men are taught to hold back on emotions and women are taught to show them but since ive seen how previously expressive he was with the exes he has that in him

Ah, I see now. So the main issue is you're both holding back from one another. The problem is you're expecting him to show up in a way that you're not showing up yourself. If you expect something to grow, you must first plant the seed.

This is a common problem between Leos and Virgos. A Leo may be more expressive but we are also still on guard. Virgos are calculated and express love through actions more so than words or affectionate displays. The issue is you two speak two different love languages.

For the Leo guy he shows that he cares by being around you (which is common for Leos). If a Leo is constantly around you, that means we care. My guess is he's holding back because you are not demonstrative. The other women probably were, which made him more comfortable. Have you tried being as gushy as you want him to be?

Ihe told me once that in order.to get.someome to open up you have to start.things off and he said he did that with his ex. he's so understanding.when it.comes.to them. I havnt been gushy not properly but I hav said.things to him like he's my best friend and I tink on the odd.occasion I did but stopped promptly when I didn't get much back.

I think he enjoys being around me because once we went to the beach not.too long ago and even after all those hours in another city he was lik let's.go catch a movie even though it ws practicly the.end of.the.night so he tries to prolong our long days out too. but I mean sometimes getting him to come out is.a chore. but when we are together it's.fine

That's another issue between Leos and Virgos (or men in women too). No guy wants to hear, "you're my best friend" from the woman he's dating. I've noticed Virgos tend to throw this word around a lot more to downplay their emotions. Leos don't respond this though. We want partners who offer a degree of passion (something we can't get from anyone else). We also generally have a lot of friends (or a solid social circle). The last thing we are looking for is a "friendship" when it comes to romance.

Leos also respond to the direct approach, since we admired strength. A partner who can be upfront with us about their feelings will win us over a lot faster. So if things seem to be too platonic, a Leo won't put in too much effort.

they say thr best relationships are based on friendship.though so if he was my best friend that doesn't mean. to say he's just my.friend..but.also my.friend aswell as more

I did read the messages from his ex to him..and she was very very gushy, she would use words lik honey baby and I love you ths much ..and you know how women can be extra sweet to their man.so she was lik that..but he responded in kind. I don't think I could be too much like that because I just find that too much like pass me the sick bucket however if he was even ten per.cent towards me how he was with her I would try to open up more. but I guess me and him hav a different kind of relationship and maybe I am partly to blame.

also when for example I'd b sitting in the car with him his now ex would message and hd b so quick uo react

"They" say a lot of things. I'm always the first to say that friendship doesn't necessarily breed romance. There is a reason guys are constantly trying to avoid being put in the "friendzone" by women. Likewise most women will say that they aren't attracted to the men they see as "just friends".

As a result trying to be friends first often creates more confusion than anything else. It's usually a strategy employed to avoid awkwardness and potential rejection. This however often means that two people aren't necessarily being genuine with each other.

Yes, feelings can arise between friends though. It happens. Yes, you do want to be best friends with the person you're dating as well. However if want a romance, then the focus should be on a romantic relationship, not a platonic one. Drop the "friend" labels and be clear with what you want.

As you've already admitted, your Leo is gushy with gushy women. He displays affection to those who are affectionate toward him. It's plain as day. If that's what you want from him, you already know what you must do. It doesn't make sense to get upset with him about something you're not capable of doing yourself. In this way you're just being a hypocrite.

Practice the golden rule. Treat others the way you wish to be treated. If you want him to be emotionally open, then you need to be emotionally open. If you don't want him talking to exes, then YOU shouldn't talk to exes. Work on how you're showing up first before criticizing him. If you're doing everything right and he's still messing up, then call him out on it.

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I am capable of it. but he needs to start it off. he's the man. evry guy iv ever known whther it be for one day or twenty years has always been pursuing me and been emotionally open with Me first. but even when I tried with him before on my own he just ignored it. but maybe tht wss when he was stil taking to his ex i guess

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im not high maintenance at all its just the lack of anyting.from him gets me thinking if he wants me at all now so then when he says he can't meet it gets me.thinking. also I can't stand people who lie, he said he had to help his friend with his.wedding when his friends wedding is next week n mostly it's the.women who do all the planning not thr men and saying he has to spend an entire week doing that while the next week he couldn't meet either becsuse it's his friends wedding (ome day) seemed a bit suspicious. and already that weekend I knew he had.gone out with his friends so where was the planning with his.friends then? why not just.just say I want to spend time with my..friends .more than you currently. I would have appreciated that more.

I was offended at his comments about how mt appearance isn't good enough for.him well apparently.it's.good enough for him to wanna hug and kiss and be all over.me when I meet.him.

That's fair, but if I had to guess he lied because he wanted to hang out with his friends and didn't want to create any drama between you. As I mentioned in my response, it does seem like you have a tendency to nag him a bit. If I had to guess he lied to avoid creating an issue. Granted he should have been straight forward with you, but at the same time you should probably lighten up a bit too.

That's not to say that you should let him walk over you. Next time voice your complaint directly and clearly. Don't get upset and stop communicating with him. Leos will typically laugh off an argument we don't wish to have. It's our way of lightening the mood and calming the other person down. This is especially true when we don't understand the source of the anger/argument.

The Leo guy probably thought that you were blowing this out of proportion. If he's incorrect, you need to explain to him why. Shutting down and giving him the silent treatment only hurts you in the long run and ultimately solved nothing.

last week actually he said to me I've.got.a giant ego according.to him and that's why he avoids telling me something iv done wrong beca use he knows ill take it the wrong way and he doesn't wnna have a dispute with me or.argue with me

Sounds about right. Virgos can often be very critical and Leos often don't like to be criticized. Again it's not right that he lied, but also look at why he did it. If everything winds up blowing up into a dispute between you two, that explains a lot. Also look at WHAT he lied about. He shouldn't have to lie to you so that he can hang out with his friends. There's a lack of trust here between you two that is very troubling.

but surely you only lie if you're scared of losing the person otherwise why lie just be straight with them. why would he.care if we hav a dispute.. unless he is afraid of how ill be towards him

Because it's emotionally and mentally exhausting, especially when the matter is trivial. If a guy thinks you're going to get upset or every little thing, he's eventually going to avoid telling you the truth altogether (or ghosting on you). The truth has no value if it's constantly being met with an argument.

Also remember that Leos are positive people and usually optimists at heart. We generally don't enjoy negativity. If your viewpoint is more pessimistic, this is a turn off for us.

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Well I stopped all that for a long time, the arguing, I just took on board and accepted evry negative thing he ws saying and doing, for a long long time I couldn't even be bothered to bring all that stuff up I just accepted his lousy ways..but only.recently it started to bother me again.

one of the lousy things he does is no matter how late at night it is he won't drop me off right outside the rail station even though its practly a minute drive by car...he's too lazy to do that. so I'll hav to make all th.the effort to walk all the way there. he's just selfish that's how I see it. and that's jst one more thing where he doesn't show he cares. hll say oh let me know when you're home or like if I get into any trouble but by the time I messge him he's asleep already. so doesn't even wait around to see if I reached my destination. ok that's just me going off on another topic but I'm saying I put up with a lot from him

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yea I know as usual ill have to be the one to contact.him or intitiate first. but what's new hey.

anothrr thing with the exes he would show some amount of anger if they do anything terrible to him. with me all he does is laugh in his messages lik im a big joke and say I've gone "crazy" ye he seems to find me quite hilarious apparently. Instead of being lik alright candy ill listen to what you're saying. this is why I took the passive agressive route since so he can realise his mistake...since talking doesn't help. maybe he can start to miss me.and feel lik he lost me.so he will take me.seriously next time. then again might b too optimistic there. fair enough if I knew he was just that type of person with evryone but again since iv seen his serious side with the exes and with me he jst laughs at evryting i do I feel like he cares less about me than anyone else.

I also saw pics from his friends wedding on instagram he seems to be gettin on perfectly fine without me, showing off to his 700 female followers. and doing hashtags. no sadness there.for sure. just gettin on with his life as if I wasn't a big part of it.

Well that's the problem. Whenever you go silent, he KNOWS you're going to come back. The passive aggressive game runs thin on Leos FAST. Once we realize we are being manipulated, we either get angry and ghost OR we manipulate back. Either way, it's not the outcome you'd want.

Remember that Leo is a fixed sign, so we think in terms of black and white primarily. Actions should always have permanence in our minds. If you leave us, then be prepared to stay gone. Once you come back, you've show your lack of resolve. That's when a Leo knows you're only playing mind games.

It also possible that since the two of you haven't been physical, he may not be taking this connection very seriously. As I mentioned before, men are biologically seeking a physical connection. That doesn't mean you should feel pressured into having sex with him. If you don't believe in sex before marriage, definitely stick to that. This however may not be the right guy for you.

I was gonna come back and say actually I only came back because I remember u owed me money so as.to not look.a fool . also it's his birthday coming up but I was.only.going.was.only.going.to say happy belated so purposely not messge him on the day.

ye thr.first.time when i was angry at him over meeting it didn't last that long.since he was actually trying.to cheer.me.up and trying so I gave up with my.attitude.and he goes well that.didn't last long.did it. and he laughed.about it. n im jst lik thiking.does he want me to really go away or.something youre not meant to say such a thing if u want.to keep someone around.

anyway I know.it's been mind games.so far but in reality I can. see myself cutting him off.for good at one point least when he expects it.

I know you said it.seems lik im more invested but ironically enough it was him who said he had feelings for me.right at the start when we were just friends. so he started off wanting it all. and again at the time he mentioned sex and how he could then open up to me.if we went on holiday togther.and talk to me.about his feelings. needless.to say that.didn't happen and also at that time according to him I chose another guy over.him then he proceeded to go back to his ex whilst still having me in his life like I am now. but emotionally Investing in her. bt tht.didn't work out then he came back to me and did say he didn't forget what I did. essentially all I did was.go to prison and.visit another guy who I had history.with. but I never stopped talking to this guy and obv.the other one was in prison so nothng.could happen there anyway and nothjng.did bt he saw it as a betrayal I actually.frget tht happened but when I say to him well u left.me.fr ur ex. he always says well don't frget.what u did.

Ok you seriously need to stop playing the mind games. Don't make up any excuses if you want to talk to him, he'll know it's not the entire truth. He;s going to see right through the facade.

While the Leo may have wanted to start things in the beginning, I can tell he became less invested over time. Every time you go and come back, it gives him a thicker skin. By the time you decide to leave for good, he'll probably be over it. Leos are stubborn, so we're not usually the ones to leave first, but we do have out limits. So it's possible he's already checked out emotionally.

Another thing to know is that every fixed sign (Taurus, Leo, Scorpio, Aquarius) holds loyalty above ALL else. For whatever reason this Leo feels like you have some unfinished business with your ex who is in prison. I can tell you right now that the Leo doesn't fully trust you and has chosen to keep you at arm's length. This is also why he's having trouble opening up to you.

When you started talking to your ex, he decided to seek out his ex in retaliation. He kept the door open for you to return, but he hasn't forgotten this slight to his pride. As a result he's been very non chalant about his approach toward you. My advice is if you want this Leo to take you seriously, he needs to know that he's #1 in your eyes. Stop bringing in third parties into it. If you choose to reconnect with exes, just know your Leo will not take this lightly. Leos want to own our partner's heart. Until have that, we won't move forward.

Well I see it as I visited the guy in prison twice after that nothing happened really but I was still there for the other guy. I didn't leave him behind or ignore him. but what he did was say im in thr middle of talkig to him he would go off for hours ignore what ignore sayig to go talk to his ex. so I would feel abandoned..and pretty much a.whole year I felt like I was thr second choice and when I mention it he jst kept bringing up the prison guy an im like I didn't ignore you for the prison guy or leave you behind.. whereas weeks and weeks would go by where he would be off with his ex and I wouldn't hear from him so what he did was much much worse.

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For Leo those details don't really matter. A betrayal is betrayal to us (remember we are black and white). If you're having problems with a Leo, then talk it out with us. The LAST thing you'd want to do is start talking to someone else. At that point all bets are off. That's not to say that every Leo would act in this matter. If it were me I would've cut ties and burned the bridge.

If hewas talking to his ex first that would be different a different story. However it sounds like he only started talking to his ex when you started talking to yours. At which point he lost all respect for you and chose to treat you poorly in the process.

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I am a virgo with a scorpio moon. and I think he also has a scorpio moon aswell. I kinda found out the other day much to my surprise given his lack of emotional expression.

youre right he was burned in the past in the sense his relationships didn't work out and he seemed to "love" those girls..unlike me.clearly ?. one of the exes is married now and I'm pretty sure he would hav married her. I don't necessarily expect a love note tht was just an example of the extent he went to with others. It would be nice if he gave me somethng.though, a couple of words even but no hes too stubborn. all he says is oh u don't like all that anyway..in a way I'm not a particularly gushy person myself in terms of what I say to a guy but if needed I would say something from time to time bt since I don't get tht from him I don't say it to him either. fr example he will ask me if I missed him or prod me to say I have bt when I do the same he will avoid the subject. like wtf.

fair enough men are taught to hold back on emotions and women are taught to show them but since ive seen how previously expressive he was with the exes he has that in him

Ah, I see now. So the main issue is you're both holding back from one another. The problem is you're expecting him to show up in a way that you're not showing up yourself. If you expect something to grow, you must first plant the seed.

This is a common problem between Leos and Virgos. A Leo may be more expressive but we are also still on guard. Virgos are calculated and express love through actions more so than words or affectionate displays. The issue is you two speak two different love languages.

For the Leo guy he shows that he cares by being around you (which is common for Leos). If a Leo is constantly around you, that means we care. My guess is he's holding back because you are not demonstrative. The other women probably were, which made him more comfortable. Have you tried being as gushy as you want him to be?

Ihe told me once that in order.to get.someome to open up you have to start.things off and he said he did that with his ex. he's so understanding.when it.comes.to them. I havnt been gushy not properly but I hav said.things to him like he's my best friend and I tink on the odd.occasion I did but stopped promptly when I didn't get much back.

I think he enjoys being around me because once we went to the beach not.too long ago and even after all those hours in another city he was lik let's.go catch a movie even though it ws practicly the.end of.the.night so he tries to prolong our long days out too. but I mean sometimes getting him to come out is.a chore. but when we are together it's.fine

That's another issue between Leos and Virgos (or men in women too). No guy wants to hear, "you're my best friend" from the woman he's dating. I've noticed Virgos tend to throw this word around a lot more to downplay their emotions. Leos don't respond this though. We want partners who offer a degree of passion (something we can't get from anyone else). We also generally have a lot of friends (or a solid social circle). The last thing we are looking for is a "friendship" when it comes to romance.

Leos also respond to the direct approach, since we admired strength. A partner who can be upfront with us about their feelings will win us over a lot faster. So if things seem to be too platonic, a Leo won't put in too much effort.

they say thr best relationships are based on friendship.though so if he was my best friend that doesn't mean. to say he's just my.friend..but.also my.friend aswell as more

I did read the messages from his ex to him..and she was very very gushy, she would use words lik honey baby and I love you ths much ..and you know how women can be extra sweet to their man.so she was lik that..but he responded in kind. I don't think I could be too much like that because I just find that too much like pass me the sick bucket however if he was even ten per.cent towards me how he was with her I would try to open up more. but I guess me and him hav a different kind of relationship and maybe I am partly to blame.

also when for example I'd b sitting in the car with him his now ex would message and hd b so quick uo react

"They" say a lot of things. I'm always the first to say that friendship doesn't necessarily breed romance. There is a reason guys are constantly trying to avoid being put in the "friendzone" by women. Likewise most women will say that they aren't attracted to the men they see as "just friends".

As a result trying to be friends first often creates more confusion than anything else. It's usually a strategy employed to avoid awkwardness and potential rejection. This however often means that two people aren't necessarily being genuine with each other.

Yes, feelings can arise between friends though. It happens. Yes, you do want to be best friends with the person you're dating as well. However if want a romance, then the focus should be on a romantic relationship, not a platonic one. Drop the "friend" labels and be clear with what you want.

As you've already admitted, your Leo is gushy with gushy women. He displays affection to those who are affectionate toward him. It's plain as day. If that's what you want from him, you already know what you must do. It doesn't make sense to get upset with him about something you're not capable of doing yourself. In this way you're just being a hypocrite.

Practice the golden rule. Treat others the way you wish to be treated. If you want him to be emotionally open, then you need to be emotionally open. If you don't want him talking to exes, then YOU shouldn't talk to exes. Work on how you're showing up first before criticizing him. If you're doing everything right and he's still messing up, then call him out on it.

I am capable of it. but he needs to start it off. he's the man. evry guy iv ever known whther it be for one day or twenty years has always been pursuing me and been emotionally open with Me first. but even when I tried with him before on my own he just ignored it. but maybe tht wss when he was stil taking to his ex i guess

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That's not going to happen, so you're going to have to let go of your pride on this one. You're the one who wants the affection, he seems indifferent to it. If you want something from a Leo (or anyone), you have to be bold enough to do what's necessary to get it.

Also look at it this way, how much time/attention did you give those other guys who were gushy and chasing you? Probably not nearly as much as you're spending right now talking to some random stranger online about this Leo guy who ISN'T gushy toward you. So why should a man put forth that much emotional effort, if it gets him nowhere? Yes there are men out there who will chase you and be gushy all on their own, but you're not worrying about them right now.

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im not high maintenance at all its just the lack of anyting.from him gets me thinking if he wants me at all now so then when he says he can't meet it gets me.thinking. also I can't stand people who lie, he said he had to help his friend with his.wedding when his friends wedding is next week n mostly it's the.women who do all the planning not thr men and saying he has to spend an entire week doing that while the next week he couldn't meet either becsuse it's his friends wedding (ome day) seemed a bit suspicious. and already that weekend I knew he had.gone out with his friends so where was the planning with his.friends then? why not just.just say I want to spend time with my..friends .more than you currently. I would have appreciated that more.

I was offended at his comments about how mt appearance isn't good enough for.him well apparently.it's.good enough for him to wanna hug and kiss and be all over.me when I meet.him.

That's fair, but if I had to guess he lied because he wanted to hang out with his friends and didn't want to create any drama between you. As I mentioned in my response, it does seem like you have a tendency to nag him a bit. If I had to guess he lied to avoid creating an issue. Granted he should have been straight forward with you, but at the same time you should probably lighten up a bit too.

That's not to say that you should let him walk over you. Next time voice your complaint directly and clearly. Don't get upset and stop communicating with him. Leos will typically laugh off an argument we don't wish to have. It's our way of lightening the mood and calming the other person down. This is especially true when we don't understand the source of the anger/argument.

The Leo guy probably thought that you were blowing this out of proportion. If he's incorrect, you need to explain to him why. Shutting down and giving him the silent treatment only hurts you in the long run and ultimately solved nothing.

last week actually he said to me I've.got.a giant ego according.to him and that's why he avoids telling me something iv done wrong beca use he knows ill take it the wrong way and he doesn't wnna have a dispute with me or.argue with me

Sounds about right. Virgos can often be very critical and Leos often don't like to be criticized. Again it's not right that he lied, but also look at why he did it. If everything winds up blowing up into a dispute between you two, that explains a lot. Also look at WHAT he lied about. He shouldn't have to lie to you so that he can hang out with his friends. There's a lack of trust here between you two that is very troubling.

but surely you only lie if you're scared of losing the person otherwise why lie just be straight with them. why would he.care if we hav a dispute.. unless he is afraid of how ill be towards him

Because it's emotionally and mentally exhausting, especially when the matter is trivial. If a guy thinks you're going to get upset or every little thing, he's eventually going to avoid telling you the truth altogether (or ghosting on you). The truth has no value if it's constantly being met with an argument.

Also remember that Leos are positive people and usually optimists at heart. We generally don't enjoy negativity. If your viewpoint is more pessimistic, this is a turn off for us.

Well I stopped all that for a long time, the arguing, I just took on board and accepted evry negative thing he ws saying and doing, for a long long time I couldn't even be bothered to bring all that stuff up I just accepted his lousy ways..but only.recently it started to bother me again.

one of the lousy things he does is no matter how late at night it is he won't drop me off right outside the rail station even though its practly a minute drive by car...he's too lazy to do that. so I'll hav to make all th.the effort to walk all the way there. he's just selfish that's how I see it. and that's jst one more thing where he doesn't show he cares. hll say oh let me know when you're home or like if I get into any trouble but by the time I messge him he's asleep already. so doesn't even wait around to see if I reached my destination. ok that's just me going off on another topic but I'm saying I put up with a lot from him

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At this point, my advice is to move on and find someone who cares about you. Sounds like there's been a lot of emotional immaturity between you two. If this guy is selfish, then you should do the self respecting thing and drop him. By sticking around, you're only perpetuating is behavior.

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yea I know as usual ill have to be the one to contact.him or intitiate first. but what's new hey.

anothrr thing with the exes he would show some amount of anger if they do anything terrible to him. with me all he does is laugh in his messages lik im a big joke and say I've gone "crazy" ye he seems to find me quite hilarious apparently. Instead of being lik alright candy ill listen to what you're saying. this is why I took the passive agressive route since so he can realise his mistake...since talking doesn't help. maybe he can start to miss me.and feel lik he lost me.so he will take me.seriously next time. then again might b too optimistic there. fair enough if I knew he was just that type of person with evryone but again since iv seen his serious side with the exes and with me he jst laughs at evryting i do I feel like he cares less about me than anyone else.

I also saw pics from his friends wedding on instagram he seems to be gettin on perfectly fine without me, showing off to his 700 female followers. and doing hashtags. no sadness there.for sure. just gettin on with his life as if I wasn't a big part of it.

Well that's the problem. Whenever you go silent, he KNOWS you're going to come back. The passive aggressive game runs thin on Leos FAST. Once we realize we are being manipulated, we either get angry and ghost OR we manipulate back. Either way, it's not the outcome you'd want.

Remember that Leo is a fixed sign, so we think in terms of black and white primarily. Actions should always have permanence in our minds. If you leave us, then be prepared to stay gone. Once you come back, you've show your lack of resolve. That's when a Leo knows you're only playing mind games.

It also possible that since the two of you haven't been physical, he may not be taking this connection very seriously. As I mentioned before, men are biologically seeking a physical connection. That doesn't mean you should feel pressured into having sex with him. If you don't believe in sex before marriage, definitely stick to that. This however may not be the right guy for you.

I was gonna come back and say actually I only came back because I remember u owed me money so as.to not look.a fool . also it's his birthday coming up but I was.only.going.was.only.going.to say happy belated so purposely not messge him on the day.

ye thr.first.time when i was angry at him over meeting it didn't last that long.since he was actually trying.to cheer.me.up and trying so I gave up with my.attitude.and he goes well that.didn't last long.did it. and he laughed.about it. n im jst lik thiking.does he want me to really go away or.something youre not meant to say such a thing if u want.to keep someone around.

anyway I know.it's been mind games.so far but in reality I can. see myself cutting him off.for good at one point least when he expects it.

I know you said it.seems lik im more invested but ironically enough it was him who said he had feelings for me.right at the start when we were just friends. so he started off wanting it all. and again at the time he mentioned sex and how he could then open up to me.if we went on holiday togther.and talk to me.about his feelings. needless.to say that.didn't happen and also at that time according to him I chose another guy over.him then he proceeded to go back to his ex whilst still having me in his life like I am now. but emotionally Investing in her. bt tht.didn't work out then he came back to me and did say he didn't forget what I did. essentially all I did was.go to prison and.visit another guy who I had history.with. but I never stopped talking to this guy and obv.the other one was in prison so nothng.could happen there anyway and nothjng.did bt he saw it as a betrayal I actually.frget tht happened but when I say to him well u left.me.fr ur ex. he always says well don't frget.what u did.

Ok you seriously need to stop playing the mind games. Don't make up any excuses if you want to talk to him, he'll know it's not the entire truth. He;s going to see right through the facade.

While the Leo may have wanted to start things in the beginning, I can tell he became less invested over time. Every time you go and come back, it gives him a thicker skin. By the time you decide to leave for good, he'll probably be over it. Leos are stubborn, so we're not usually the ones to leave first, but we do have out limits. So it's possible he's already checked out emotionally.

Another thing to know is that every fixed sign (Taurus, Leo, Scorpio, Aquarius) holds loyalty above ALL else. For whatever reason this Leo feels like you have some unfinished business with your ex who is in prison. I can tell you right now that the Leo doesn't fully trust you and has chosen to keep you at arm's length. This is also why he's having trouble opening up to you.

When you started talking to your ex, he decided to seek out his ex in retaliation. He kept the door open for you to return, but he hasn't forgotten this slight to his pride. As a result he's been very non chalant about his approach toward you. My advice is if you want this Leo to take you seriously, he needs to know that he's #1 in your eyes. Stop bringing in third parties into it. If you choose to reconnect with exes, just know your Leo will not take this lightly. Leos want to own our partner's heart. Until have that, we won't move forward.

Well I see it as I visited the guy in prison twice after that nothing happened really but I was still there for the other guy. I didn't leave him behind or ignore him. but what he did was say im in thr middle of talkig to him he would go off for hours ignore what ignore sayig to go talk to his ex. so I would feel abandoned..and pretty much a.whole year I felt like I was thr second choice and when I mention it he jst kept bringing up the prison guy an im like I didn't ignore you for the prison guy or leave you behind.. whereas weeks and weeks would go by where he would be off with his ex and I wouldn't hear from him so what he did was much much worse.

For Leo those details don't really matter. A betrayal is betrayal to us (remember we are black and white). If you're having problems with a Leo, then talk it out with us. The LAST thing you'd want to do is start talking to someone else. At that point all bets are off. That's not to say that every Leo would act in this matter. If it were me I would've cut ties and burned the bridge.

If hewas talking to his ex first that would be different a different story. However it sounds like he only started talking to his ex when you started talking to yours. At which point he lost all respect for you and chose to treat you poorly in the process.

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let me try explain it better. him and his ex had a relationship she left him because she went to another country but they stil continued contact like a long distance relationship. at that time I was still talking to the guy who went to prison but then he went to prison and me.and leo guy became better friends and better aquainted.we strted meetig up more and more while he was still talking to that girl obv I wasn't speaking to the prison guy as hd gone for.good. then leo guy suddenly comes out with I have feelings for you bare in mind he still in contact with the other one, then he says he wil leave the other one for me if I tell him he should and that I will b his, I was unsure so I didn't do this. and so we carried on stil while he's talking to the ex and then the rest happened whereby I met the other one in prison and he told me not to go and if i go it's over, I didn't agree with this ultimatum, so I went, I saw it as I'm seeing someone who is.is depressed in prison, doesn't matter who it is I would go c them, he took it as a betrayal and the rest followed.. he went back to the ex and started trying harder with her and ignored me.for a year

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im not high maintenance at all its just the lack of anyting.from him gets me thinking if he wants me at all now so then when he says he can't meet it gets me.thinking. also I can't stand people who lie, he said he had to help his friend with his.wedding when his friends wedding is next week n mostly it's the.women who do all the planning not thr men and saying he has to spend an entire week doing that while the next week he couldn't meet either becsuse it's his friends wedding (ome day) seemed a bit suspicious. and already that weekend I knew he had.gone out with his friends so where was the planning with his.friends then? why not just.just say I want to spend time with my..friends .more than you currently. I would have appreciated that more.

I was offended at his comments about how mt appearance isn't good enough for.him well apparently.it's.good enough for him to wanna hug and kiss and be all over.me when I meet.him.

That's fair, but if I had to guess he lied because he wanted to hang out with his friends and didn't want to create any drama between you. As I mentioned in my response, it does seem like you have a tendency to nag him a bit. If I had to guess he lied to avoid creating an issue. Granted he should have been straight forward with you, but at the same time you should probably lighten up a bit too.

That's not to say that you should let him walk over you. Next time voice your complaint directly and clearly. Don't get upset and stop communicating with him. Leos will typically laugh off an argument we don't wish to have. It's our way of lightening the mood and calming the other person down. This is especially true when we don't understand the source of the anger/argument.

The Leo guy probably thought that you were blowing this out of proportion. If he's incorrect, you need to explain to him why. Shutting down and giving him the silent treatment only hurts you in the long run and ultimately solved nothing.

last week actually he said to me I've.got.a giant ego according.to him and that's why he avoids telling me something iv done wrong beca use he knows ill take it the wrong way and he doesn't wnna have a dispute with me or.argue with me

Sounds about right. Virgos can often be very critical and Leos often don't like to be criticized. Again it's not right that he lied, but also look at why he did it. If everything winds up blowing up into a dispute between you two, that explains a lot. Also look at WHAT he lied about. He shouldn't have to lie to you so that he can hang out with his friends. There's a lack of trust here between you two that is very troubling.

but surely you only lie if you're scared of losing the person otherwise why lie just be straight with them. why would he.care if we hav a dispute.. unless he is afraid of how ill be towards him

Because it's emotionally and mentally exhausting, especially when the matter is trivial. If a guy thinks you're going to get upset or every little thing, he's eventually going to avoid telling you the truth altogether (or ghosting on you). The truth has no value if it's constantly being met with an argument.

Also remember that Leos are positive people and usually optimists at heart. We generally don't enjoy negativity. If your viewpoint is more pessimistic, this is a turn off for us.

Well I stopped all that for a long time, the arguing, I just took on board and accepted evry negative thing he ws saying and doing, for a long long time I couldn't even be bothered to bring all that stuff up I just accepted his lousy ways..but only.recently it started to bother me again.

one of the lousy things he does is no matter how late at night it is he won't drop me off right outside the rail station even though its practly a minute drive by car...he's too lazy to do that. so I'll hav to make all th.the effort to walk all the way there. he's just selfish that's how I see it. and that's jst one more thing where he doesn't show he cares. hll say oh let me know when you're home or like if I get into any trouble but by the time I messge him he's asleep already. so doesn't even wait around to see if I reached my destination. ok that's just me going off on another topic but I'm saying I put up with a lot from him

At this point, my advice is to move on and find someone who cares about you. Sounds like there's been a lot of emotional immaturity between you two. If this guy is selfish, then you should do the self respecting thing and drop him. By sticking around, you're only perpetuating is behavior.

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I guess so. I mean it's not like he's a complete asshole but it's just the complacency Is annoying

with regards to romance..Its feels more like an ok friendship to me with some benefits

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yea I know as usual ill have to be the one to contact.him or intitiate first. but what's new hey.

anothrr thing with the exes he would show some amount of anger if they do anything terrible to him. with me all he does is laugh in his messages lik im a big joke and say I've gone "crazy" ye he seems to find me quite hilarious apparently. Instead of being lik alright candy ill listen to what you're saying. this is why I took the passive agressive route since so he can realise his mistake...since talking doesn't help. maybe he can start to miss me.and feel lik he lost me.so he will take me.seriously next time. then again might b too optimistic there. fair enough if I knew he was just that type of person with evryone but again since iv seen his serious side with the exes and with me he jst laughs at evryting i do I feel like he cares less about me than anyone else.

I also saw pics from his friends wedding on instagram he seems to be gettin on perfectly fine without me, showing off to his 700 female followers. and doing hashtags. no sadness there.for sure. just gettin on with his life as if I wasn't a big part of it.

Well that's the problem. Whenever you go silent, he KNOWS you're going to come back. The passive aggressive game runs thin on Leos FAST. Once we realize we are being manipulated, we either get angry and ghost OR we manipulate back. Either way, it's not the outcome you'd want.

Remember that Leo is a fixed sign, so we think in terms of black and white primarily. Actions should always have permanence in our minds. If you leave us, then be prepared to stay gone. Once you come back, you've show your lack of resolve. That's when a Leo knows you're only playing mind games.

It also possible that since the two of you haven't been physical, he may not be taking this connection very seriously. As I mentioned before, men are biologically seeking a physical connection. That doesn't mean you should feel pressured into having sex with him. If you don't believe in sex before marriage, definitely stick to that. This however may not be the right guy for you.

I was gonna come back and say actually I only came back because I remember u owed me money so as.to not look.a fool . also it's his birthday coming up but I was.only.going.was.only.going.to say happy belated so purposely not messge him on the day.

ye thr.first.time when i was angry at him over meeting it didn't last that long.since he was actually trying.to cheer.me.up and trying so I gave up with my.attitude.and he goes well that.didn't last long.did it. and he laughed.about it. n im jst lik thiking.does he want me to really go away or.something youre not meant to say such a thing if u want.to keep someone around.

anyway I know.it's been mind games.so far but in reality I can. see myself cutting him off.for good at one point least when he expects it.

I know you said it.seems lik im more invested but ironically enough it was him who said he had feelings for me.right at the start when we were just friends. so he started off wanting it all. and again at the time he mentioned sex and how he could then open up to me.if we went on holiday togther.and talk to me.about his feelings. needless.to say that.didn't happen and also at that time according to him I chose another guy over.him then he proceeded to go back to his ex whilst still having me in his life like I am now. but emotionally Investing in her. bt tht.didn't work out then he came back to me and did say he didn't forget what I did. essentially all I did was.go to prison and.visit another guy who I had history.with. but I never stopped talking to this guy and obv.the other one was in prison so nothng.could happen there anyway and nothjng.did bt he saw it as a betrayal I actually.frget tht happened but when I say to him well u left.me.fr ur ex. he always says well don't frget.what u did.

Ok you seriously need to stop playing the mind games. Don't make up any excuses if you want to talk to him, he'll know it's not the entire truth. He;s going to see right through the facade.

While the Leo may have wanted to start things in the beginning, I can tell he became less invested over time. Every time you go and come back, it gives him a thicker skin. By the time you decide to leave for good, he'll probably be over it. Leos are stubborn, so we're not usually the ones to leave first, but we do have out limits. So it's possible he's already checked out emotionally.

Another thing to know is that every fixed sign (Taurus, Leo, Scorpio, Aquarius) holds loyalty above ALL else. For whatever reason this Leo feels like you have some unfinished business with your ex who is in prison. I can tell you right now that the Leo doesn't fully trust you and has chosen to keep you at arm's length. This is also why he's having trouble opening up to you.

When you started talking to your ex, he decided to seek out his ex in retaliation. He kept the door open for you to return, but he hasn't forgotten this slight to his pride. As a result he's been very non chalant about his approach toward you. My advice is if you want this Leo to take you seriously, he needs to know that he's #1 in your eyes. Stop bringing in third parties into it. If you choose to reconnect with exes, just know your Leo will not take this lightly. Leos want to own our partner's heart. Until have that, we won't move forward.

Well I see it as I visited the guy in prison twice after that nothing happened really but I was still there for the other guy. I didn't leave him behind or ignore him. but what he did was say im in thr middle of talkig to him he would go off for hours ignore what ignore sayig to go talk to his ex. so I would feel abandoned..and pretty much a.whole year I felt like I was thr second choice and when I mention it he jst kept bringing up the prison guy an im like I didn't ignore you for the prison guy or leave you behind.. whereas weeks and weeks would go by where he would be off with his ex and I wouldn't hear from him so what he did was much much worse.

For Leo those details don't really matter. A betrayal is betrayal to us (remember we are black and white). If you're having problems with a Leo, then talk it out with us. The LAST thing you'd want to do is start talking to someone else. At that point all bets are off. That's not to say that every Leo would act in this matter. If it were me I would've cut ties and burned the bridge.

If hewas talking to his ex first that would be different a different story. However it sounds like he only started talking to his ex when you started talking to yours. At which point he lost all respect for you and chose to treat you poorly in the process.

let me try explain it better. him and his ex had a relationship she left him because she went to another country but they stil continued contact like a long distance relationship. at that time I was still talking to the guy who went to prison but then he went to prison and me.and leo guy became better friends and better aquainted.we strted meetig up more and more while he was still talking to that girl obv I wasn't speaking to the prison guy as hd gone for.good. then leo guy suddenly comes out with I have feelings for you bare in mind he still in contact with the other one, then he says he wil leave the other one for me if I tell him he should and that I will b his, I was unsure so I didn't do this. and so we carried on stil while he's talking to the ex and then the rest happened whereby I met the other one in prison and he told me not to go and if i go it's over, I didn't agree with this ultimatum, so I went, I saw it as I'm seeing someone who is.is depressed in prison, doesn't matter who it is I would go c them, he took it as a betrayal and the rest followed.. he went back to the ex and started trying harder with her and ignored me.for a year

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Got it. In that case it appears the line are blurry. You didn't actually betray the Leo because you two weren't actually in a relationship. Likewise you can't be mad about his actions really because you two werent actually in a relationship. There seems to be immaturity and passive aggressive behavior on both sides.

Honestly, I think your best best is to find a person whose values match your own. That way you can get the appreciation you desire. This Leo guy doesn't sounds like he's interested in giving you emotional stability that you crave. The relationship sounds like it's more toxic than anything else.

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im not high maintenance at all its just the lack of anyting.from him gets me thinking if he wants me at all now so then when he says he can't meet it gets me.thinking. also I can't stand people who lie, he said he had to help his friend with his.wedding when his friends wedding is next week n mostly it's the.women who do all the planning not thr men and saying he has to spend an entire week doing that while the next week he couldn't meet either becsuse it's his friends wedding (ome day) seemed a bit suspicious. and already that weekend I knew he had.gone out with his friends so where was the planning with his.friends then? why not just.just say I want to spend time with my..friends .more than you currently. I would have appreciated that more.

I was offended at his comments about how mt appearance isn't good enough for.him well apparently.it's.good enough for him to wanna hug and kiss and be all over.me when I meet.him.

That's fair, but if I had to guess he lied because he wanted to hang out with his friends and didn't want to create any drama between you. As I mentioned in my response, it does seem like you have a tendency to nag him a bit. If I had to guess he lied to avoid creating an issue. Granted he should have been straight forward with you, but at the same time you should probably lighten up a bit too.

That's not to say that you should let him walk over you. Next time voice your complaint directly and clearly. Don't get upset and stop communicating with him. Leos will typically laugh off an argument we don't wish to have. It's our way of lightening the mood and calming the other person down. This is especially true when we don't understand the source of the anger/argument.

The Leo guy probably thought that you were blowing this out of proportion. If he's incorrect, you need to explain to him why. Shutting down and giving him the silent treatment only hurts you in the long run and ultimately solved nothing.

last week actually he said to me I've.got.a giant ego according.to him and that's why he avoids telling me something iv done wrong beca use he knows ill take it the wrong way and he doesn't wnna have a dispute with me or.argue with me

Sounds about right. Virgos can often be very critical and Leos often don't like to be criticized. Again it's not right that he lied, but also look at why he did it. If everything winds up blowing up into a dispute between you two, that explains a lot. Also look at WHAT he lied about. He shouldn't have to lie to you so that he can hang out with his friends. There's a lack of trust here between you two that is very troubling.

but surely you only lie if you're scared of losing the person otherwise why lie just be straight with them. why would he.care if we hav a dispute.. unless he is afraid of how ill be towards him

Because it's emotionally and mentally exhausting, especially when the matter is trivial. If a guy thinks you're going to get upset or every little thing, he's eventually going to avoid telling you the truth altogether (or ghosting on you). The truth has no value if it's constantly being met with an argument.

Also remember that Leos are positive people and usually optimists at heart. We generally don't enjoy negativity. If your viewpoint is more pessimistic, this is a turn off for us.

Well I stopped all that for a long time, the arguing, I just took on board and accepted evry negative thing he ws saying and doing, for a long long time I couldn't even be bothered to bring all that stuff up I just accepted his lousy ways..but only.recently it started to bother me again.

one of the lousy things he does is no matter how late at night it is he won't drop me off right outside the rail station even though its practly a minute drive by car...he's too lazy to do that. so I'll hav to make all th.the effort to walk all the way there. he's just selfish that's how I see it. and that's jst one more thing where he doesn't show he cares. hll say oh let me know when you're home or like if I get into any trouble but by the time I messge him he's asleep already. so doesn't even wait around to see if I reached my destination. ok that's just me going off on another topic but I'm saying I put up with a lot from him

At this point, my advice is to move on and find someone who cares about you. Sounds like there's been a lot of emotional immaturity between you two. If this guy is selfish, then you should do the self respecting thing and drop him. By sticking around, you're only perpetuating is behavior.

I guess so. I mean it's not like he's a complete asshole but it's just the complacency Is annoying

with regards to romance..Its feels more like an ok friendship to me with some benefits

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If the relationship feels platonic, then it's a waste of your time if that's not what you want. My only advice for the future is to avoid the "friendship" labels and get straight to the point. It's less confusing that way.

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im not high maintenance at all its just the lack of anyting.from him gets me thinking if he wants me at all now so then when he says he can't meet it gets me.thinking. also I can't stand people who lie, he said he had to help his friend with his.wedding when his friends wedding is next week n mostly it's the.women who do all the planning not thr men and saying he has to spend an entire week doing that while the next week he couldn't meet either becsuse it's his friends wedding (ome day) seemed a bit suspicious. and already that weekend I knew he had.gone out with his friends so where was the planning with his.friends then? why not just.just say I want to spend time with my..friends .more than you currently. I would have appreciated that more.

I was offended at his comments about how mt appearance isn't good enough for.him well apparently.it's.good enough for him to wanna hug and kiss and be all over.me when I meet.him.

That's fair, but if I had to guess he lied because he wanted to hang out with his friends and didn't want to create any drama between you. As I mentioned in my response, it does seem like you have a tendency to nag him a bit. If I had to guess he lied to avoid creating an issue. Granted he should have been straight forward with you, but at the same time you should probably lighten up a bit too.

That's not to say that you should let him walk over you. Next time voice your complaint directly and clearly. Don't get upset and stop communicating with him. Leos will typically laugh off an argument we don't wish to have. It's our way of lightening the mood and calming the other person down. This is especially true when we don't understand the source of the anger/argument.

The Leo guy probably thought that you were blowing this out of proportion. If he's incorrect, you need to explain to him why. Shutting down and giving him the silent treatment only hurts you in the long run and ultimately solved nothing.

last week actually he said to me I've.got.a giant ego according.to him and that's why he avoids telling me something iv done wrong beca use he knows ill take it the wrong way and he doesn't wnna have a dispute with me or.argue with me

Sounds about right. Virgos can often be very critical and Leos often don't like to be criticized. Again it's not right that he lied, but also look at why he did it. If everything winds up blowing up into a dispute between you two, that explains a lot. Also look at WHAT he lied about. He shouldn't have to lie to you so that he can hang out with his friends. There's a lack of trust here between you two that is very troubling.

but surely you only lie if you're scared of losing the person otherwise why lie just be straight with them. why would he.care if we hav a dispute.. unless he is afraid of how ill be towards him

Because it's emotionally and mentally exhausting, especially when the matter is trivial. If a guy thinks you're going to get upset or every little thing, he's eventually going to avoid telling you the truth altogether (or ghosting on you). The truth has no value if it's constantly being met with an argument.

Also remember that Leos are positive people and usually optimists at heart. We generally don't enjoy negativity. If your viewpoint is more pessimistic, this is a turn off for us.

Well I stopped all that for a long time, the arguing, I just took on board and accepted evry negative thing he ws saying and doing, for a long long time I couldn't even be bothered to bring all that stuff up I just accepted his lousy ways..but only.recently it started to bother me again.

one of the lousy things he does is no matter how late at night it is he won't drop me off right outside the rail station even though its practly a minute drive by car...he's too lazy to do that. so I'll hav to make all th.the effort to walk all the way there. he's just selfish that's how I see it. and that's jst one more thing where he doesn't show he cares. hll say oh let me know when you're home or like if I get into any trouble but by the time I messge him he's asleep already. so doesn't even wait around to see if I reached my destination. ok that's just me going off on another topic but I'm saying I put up with a lot from him

At this point, my advice is to move on and find someone who cares about you. Sounds like there's been a lot of emotional immaturity between you two. If this guy is selfish, then you should do the self respecting thing and drop him. By sticking around, you're only perpetuating is behavior.

I guess so. I mean it's not like he's a complete asshole but it's just the complacency Is annoying

with regards to romance..Its feels more like an ok friendship to me with some benefits

If the relationship feels platonic, then it's a waste of your time if that's not what you want. My only advice for the future is to avoid the "friendship" labels and get straight to the point. It's less confusing that way.

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I dunno when I'm with.him it doesn't feel platonic it.feels lik im going out with my other half ...when I'm not with.him and I don't hear.hear from him I wonder what's happened and that's when it's lik I might aswell have no one.m I been friends.with him for ages now so I'll messge h and see what happens I supose

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im not high maintenance at all its just the lack of anyting.from him gets me thinking if he wants me at all now so then when he says he can't meet it gets me.thinking. also I can't stand people who lie, he said he had to help his friend with his.wedding when his friends wedding is next week n mostly it's the.women who do all the planning not thr men and saying he has to spend an entire week doing that while the next week he couldn't meet either becsuse it's his friends wedding (ome day) seemed a bit suspicious. and already that weekend I knew he had.gone out with his friends so where was the planning with his.friends then? why not just.just say I want to spend time with my..friends .more than you currently. I would have appreciated that more.

I was offended at his comments about how mt appearance isn't good enough for.him well apparently.it's.good enough for him to wanna hug and kiss and be all over.me when I meet.him.

That's fair, but if I had to guess he lied because he wanted to hang out with his friends and didn't want to create any drama between you. As I mentioned in my response, it does seem like you have a tendency to nag him a bit. If I had to guess he lied to avoid creating an issue. Granted he should have been straight forward with you, but at the same time you should probably lighten up a bit too.

That's not to say that you should let him walk over you. Next time voice your complaint directly and clearly. Don't get upset and stop communicating with him. Leos will typically laugh off an argument we don't wish to have. It's our way of lightening the mood and calming the other person down. This is especially true when we don't understand the source of the anger/argument.

The Leo guy probably thought that you were blowing this out of proportion. If he's incorrect, you need to explain to him why. Shutting down and giving him the silent treatment only hurts you in the long run and ultimately solved nothing.

last week actually he said to me I've.got.a giant ego according.to him and that's why he avoids telling me something iv done wrong beca use he knows ill take it the wrong way and he doesn't wnna have a dispute with me or.argue with me

Sounds about right. Virgos can often be very critical and Leos often don't like to be criticized. Again it's not right that he lied, but also look at why he did it. If everything winds up blowing up into a dispute between you two, that explains a lot. Also look at WHAT he lied about. He shouldn't have to lie to you so that he can hang out with his friends. There's a lack of trust here between you two that is very troubling.

but surely you only lie if you're scared of losing the person otherwise why lie just be straight with them. why would he.care if we hav a dispute.. unless he is afraid of how ill be towards him

Because it's emotionally and mentally exhausting, especially when the matter is trivial. If a guy thinks you're going to get upset or every little thing, he's eventually going to avoid telling you the truth altogether (or ghosting on you). The truth has no value if it's constantly being met with an argument.

Also remember that Leos are positive people and usually optimists at heart. We generally don't enjoy negativity. If your viewpoint is more pessimistic, this is a turn off for us.

Well I stopped all that for a long time, the arguing, I just took on board and accepted evry negative thing he ws saying and doing, for a long long time I couldn't even be bothered to bring all that stuff up I just accepted his lousy ways..but only.recently it started to bother me again.

one of the lousy things he does is no matter how late at night it is he won't drop me off right outside the rail station even though its practly a minute drive by car...he's too lazy to do that. so I'll hav to make all th.the effort to walk all the way there. he's just selfish that's how I see it. and that's jst one more thing where he doesn't show he cares. hll say oh let me know when you're home or like if I get into any trouble but by the time I messge him he's asleep already. so doesn't even wait around to see if I reached my destination. ok that's just me going off on another topic but I'm saying I put up with a lot from him

At this point, my advice is to move on and find someone who cares about you. Sounds like there's been a lot of emotional immaturity between you two. If this guy is selfish, then you should do the self respecting thing and drop him. By sticking around, you're only perpetuating is behavior.

I guess so. I mean it's not like he's a complete asshole but it's just the complacency Is annoying

with regards to romance..Its feels more like an ok friendship to me with some benefits

If the relationship feels platonic, then it's a waste of your time if that's not what you want. My only advice for the future is to avoid the "friendship" labels and get straight to the point. It's less confusing that way.

I dunno when I'm with.him it doesn't feel platonic it.feels lik im going out with my other half ...when I'm not with.him and I don't hear.hear from him I wonder what's happened and that's when it's lik I might aswell have no one.m I been friends.with him for ages now so I'll messge h and see what happens I supose

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There should be a natural flow to relationships not like you are swimming against the current. Do you fantasize about him sexually?

Hey i'm virgo sun scorpio moon dating a leo for 2 years now and i can totally relate to your relationship with this leo guy because i experienced the same thing at the beginning of our relationship. I think you should take Chuckcem advices to you because he really know how a leo guy's mind works. You need to be more expressive with him...COMMUNICATION is the key. And they need to have that emotional and physical connection with you before they can finally open up to you. I was virgin before i met him but i fell really hard in love that i had to give out my virginity...i'm not saying you should do the same unless you feel you are ready. I was concerned to how he would post his ex on social media and write all this stuff to her when he doesn't do the same to me. I wasn't doing it either with him but as Chuckcem said when leos are hurt in their past relationships they become more guarded with the next relationship they have. He needs to trust you first and to be sure that you really value ONLY him. And for you to do that you need to show him you are done with your past relationships, to be more affection, make him feel like the center of your world. One thing i noticed they hate when you talk to a lot of boys...seems kinda controlling but if you do it, they will do the same or even worse. I'm not trying to say you should change who you are to accomodate his behavior hell no but you should try to give out what you want to receive too. I know it can be hard for us virgos to emotionally express ourselves but trust me once you do it you will never regret it. I never knew i could caring and affectionate in my life until i met this leo guy. I'm even more loving lol i have the same kind of relationship as the one you have with your guy....we are always throwing jokes at each other....we are both pretty fun and sarcastic people...but even loving and affectionate. I'm aways all over him because it's the first guy i ever felt comfortable with to have a physical connection. So girl trust me it will work out once you go with the flow and say whatever the f**k you feel. Whether you're mad, angry , loving, affectionate just tell him so he knows how you feel about this and that. Don't be too mysterious and hard to figure out.

Can i know your other placements? Cuz i can totally relate to you. You sound so much like me hahhaha

Goodluck!!!

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im not high maintenance at all its just the lack of anyting.from him gets me thinking if he wants me at all now so then when he says he can't meet it gets me.thinking. also I can't stand people who lie, he said he had to help his friend with his.wedding when his friends wedding is next week n mostly it's the.women who do all the planning not thr men and saying he has to spend an entire week doing that while the next week he couldn't meet either becsuse it's his friends wedding (ome day) seemed a bit suspicious. and already that weekend I knew he had.gone out with his friends so where was the planning with his.friends then? why not just.just say I want to spend time with my..friends .more than you currently. I would have appreciated that more.

I was offended at his comments about how mt appearance isn't good enough for.him well apparently.it's.good enough for him to wanna hug and kiss and be all over.me when I meet.him.

That's fair, but if I had to guess he lied because he wanted to hang out with his friends and didn't want to create any drama between you. As I mentioned in my response, it does seem like you have a tendency to nag him a bit. If I had to guess he lied to avoid creating an issue. Granted he should have been straight forward with you, but at the same time you should probably lighten up a bit too.

That's not to say that you should let him walk over you. Next time voice your complaint directly and clearly. Don't get upset and stop communicating with him. Leos will typically laugh off an argument we don't wish to have. It's our way of lightening the mood and calming the other person down. This is especially true when we don't understand the source of the anger/argument.

The Leo guy probably thought that you were blowing this out of proportion. If he's incorrect, you need to explain to him why. Shutting down and giving him the silent treatment only hurts you in the long run and ultimately solved nothing.

last week actually he said to me I've.got.a giant ego according.to him and that's why he avoids telling me something iv done wrong beca use he knows ill take it the wrong way and he doesn't wnna have a dispute with me or.argue with me

Sounds about right. Virgos can often be very critical and Leos often don't like to be criticized. Again it's not right that he lied, but also look at why he did it. If everything winds up blowing up into a dispute between you two, that explains a lot. Also look at WHAT he lied about. He shouldn't have to lie to you so that he can hang out with his friends. There's a lack of trust here between you two that is very troubling.

but surely you only lie if you're scared of losing the person otherwise why lie just be straight with them. why would he.care if we hav a dispute.. unless he is afraid of how ill be towards him

Because it's emotionally and mentally exhausting, especially when the matter is trivial. If a guy thinks you're going to get upset or every little thing, he's eventually going to avoid telling you the truth altogether (or ghosting on you). The truth has no value if it's constantly being met with an argument.

Also remember that Leos are positive people and usually optimists at heart. We generally don't enjoy negativity. If your viewpoint is more pessimistic, this is a turn off for us.

Well I stopped all that for a long time, the arguing, I just took on board and accepted evry negative thing he ws saying and doing, for a long long time I couldn't even be bothered to bring all that stuff up I just accepted his lousy ways..but only.recently it started to bother me again.

one of the lousy things he does is no matter how late at night it is he won't drop me off right outside the rail station even though its practly a minute drive by car...he's too lazy to do that. so I'll hav to make all th.the effort to walk all the way there. he's just selfish that's how I see it. and that's jst one more thing where he doesn't show he cares. hll say oh let me know when you're home or like if I get into any trouble but by the time I messge him he's asleep already. so doesn't even wait around to see if I reached my destination. ok that's just me going off on another topic but I'm saying I put up with a lot from him

At this point, my advice is to move on and find someone who cares about you. Sounds like there's been a lot of emotional immaturity between you two. If this guy is selfish, then you should do the self respecting thing and drop him. By sticking around, you're only perpetuating is behavior.

I guess so. I mean it's not like he's a complete asshole but it's just the complacency Is annoying

with regards to romance..Its feels more like an ok friendship to me with some benefits

If the relationship feels platonic, then it's a waste of your time if that's not what you want. My only advice for the future is to avoid the "friendship" labels and get straight to the point. It's less confusing that way.

I dunno when I'm with.him it doesn't feel platonic it.feels lik im going out with my other half ...when I'm not with.him and I don't hear.hear from him I wonder what's happened and that's when it's lik I might aswell have no one.m I been friends.with him for ages now so I'll messge h and see what happens I supose

There should be a natural flow to relationships not like you are swimming against the current. Do you fantasize about him sexually?

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I don't think I have yet lol. but he is attractive to me. he surely has.to find me attractive if he keeps mentioning.sex and can be physical before it.gets to that but it did annoy me when he said I should change my dress sense.so that he can speak to me in a nicer way

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Hey i'm virgo sun scorpio moon dating a leo for 2 years now and i can totally relate to your relationship with this leo guy because i experienced the same thing at the beginning of our relationship. I think you should take Chuckcem advices to you because he really know how a leo guy's mind works. You need to be more expressive with him...COMMUNICATION is the key. And they need to have that emotional and physical connection with you before they can finally open up to you. I was virgin before i met him but i fell really hard in love that i had to give out my virginity...i'm not saying you should do the same unless you feel you are ready. I was concerned to how he would post his ex on social media and write all this stuff to her when he doesn't do the same to me. I wasn't doing it either with him but as Chuckcem said when leos are hurt in their past relationships they become more guarded with the next relationship they have. He needs to trust you first and to be sure that you really value ONLY him. And for you to do that you need to show him you are done with your past relationships, to be more affection, make him feel like the center of your world. One thing i noticed they hate when you talk to a lot of boys...seems kinda controlling but if you do it, they will do the same or even worse. I'm not trying to say you should change who you are to accomodate his behavior hell no but you should try to give out what you want to receive too. I know it can be hard for us virgos to emotionally express ourselves but trust me once you do it you will never regret it. I never knew i could caring and affectionate in my life until i met this leo guy. I'm even more loving lol i have the same kind of relationship as the one you have with your guy....we are always throwing jokes at each other....we are both pretty fun and sarcastic people...but even loving and affectionate. I'm aways all over him because it's the first guy i ever felt comfortable with to have a physical connection. So girl trust me it will work out once you go with the flow and say whatever the f**k you feel. Whether you're mad, angry , loving, affectionate just tell him so he knows how you feel about this and that. Don't be too mysterious and hard to figure out.

Can i know your other placements? Cuz i can totally relate to you. You sound so much like me hahhaha

Goodluck!!!

im glad that there's someone here who can relate to me ??

erm im gonna hav to check my other placements lol. I'll get.back to you

he doesn't express.himself the way he used.to at the beginning he would tel me.how he feels, but that was right at the start when he said he had feelings, now I'm jst second guessing what he's thinking.all the.time all he ever does is laugh at me n make jokes. I do mention other guys to him.and that they chat me.up and talk to me but he doesn't react in a jealous way really. actually.he starts insulting them and saying get me some real competition but the proper jealousy isn't shown. so I don't know how he really. feels inside.

with regards to him and other.women who knows who he's speaking to behind closed doors. he told me to not.assume anythng and ths ill go crazy but when we were friends purely friends all he would do is check out like literally every single girl who would walk by, like he was one of those guys, he doesn't do that now as much. apart from the other day we were out and he was like if only these women would go for me but what d I have

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Hey i'm virgo sun scorpio moon dating a leo for 2 years now and i can totally relate to your relationship with this leo guy because i experienced the same thing at the beginning of our relationship. I think you should take Chuckcem advices to you because he really know how a leo guy's mind works. You need to be more expressive with him...COMMUNICATION is the key. And they need to have that emotional and physical connection with you before they can finally open up to you. I was virgin before i met him but i fell really hard in love that i had to give out my virginity...i'm not saying you should do the same unless you feel you are ready. I was concerned to how he would post his ex on social media and write all this stuff to her when he doesn't do the same to me. I wasn't doing it either with him but as Chuckcem said when leos are hurt in their past relationships they become more guarded with the next relationship they have. He needs to trust you first and to be sure that you really value ONLY him. And for you to do that you need to show him you are done with your past relationships, to be more affection, make him feel like the center of your world. One thing i noticed they hate when you talk to a lot of boys...seems kinda controlling but if you do it, they will do the same or even worse. I'm not trying to say you should change who you are to accomodate his behavior hell no but you should try to give out what you want to receive too. I know it can be hard for us virgos to emotionally express ourselves but trust me once you do it you will never regret it. I never knew i could caring and affectionate in my life until i met this leo guy. I'm even more loving lol i have the same kind of relationship as the one you have with your guy....we are always throwing jokes at each other....we are both pretty fun and sarcastic people...but even loving and affectionate. I'm aways all over him because it's the first guy i ever felt comfortable with to have a physical connection. So girl trust me it will work out once you go with the flow and say whatever the f**k you feel. Whether you're mad, angry , loving, affectionate just tell him so he knows how you feel about this and that. Don't be too mysterious and hard to figure out.

Can i know your other placements? Cuz i can totally relate to you. You sound so much like me hahhaha

Goodluck!!!

sorry continuing from before..ye so he was lik if only these women would go for someone lik me whilst I was standing right nxt to him..I wz thing is he feeling alright sayig that...but tht same day I told him about something my.ex did an he kept thiking that I looked down and depressed about it but he was wrong lol. so I don't know if that had anyting to do with it

as for expressing myself it's just really difficult for me to do that when the other person doesn't give me much, instead I end up making indirect comments about how he doesn't express his emotions etc etc he just keeps saying you do this and you'll get all that, he's lik be a proper woman dress up and be sexual and you'll get.get that treatment. I'm just like wth ?

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Hmmm...what is your sign

If leos are let down too many times, it can lead to that kind of behaviour.

You should not be comparing yourself with exes it will only hurt you in the long run. at this moment you are the one he's dating, thats all that should matter. It however doesnt mean you shouldnt improve yourself.

im a virgo sun with scorpio moon

I end up doing that beca use if anyone saw how he was with them and what he would say to them it was lik a proper relationship with me and him it's more like we are best friends very casual and he's trying to get sexual with me, that's how it feels. an when we don't talk because of the lack of any verbal confirmations im constantly wondering if he's off speaking to another.

when we meet up its rare that he does anyting on his own or makes.any plans..its always me that has to do this..I'm great ul that he actually manages to turn up