Libra wont say I love you.

Thats how we are and its quite painful for us to say it. So don't keep wondering if he loves you or not. He is not sure. He will never be sure. The best you can hear from a libra is that "he likes you". If any one of you have a problem with that, please find some other zodiac groups who dont mind saying that stupid line every time you want to hear it.

Logically the phrase "I love you" carries no particular meaning. Its as good as a pickup line and used every now and then by whoever has no idea about what they are talking about. Libra has an issue that we need to make sure we mean what we speak. When we say "I dont know" or "i am not sure" it means we are thinking and we are not sure exactly what it is. Now most people will have a big issue with that thinking we are not interested or always confused. But if you look back at rest of the world, you can find out for yourself that 99.99% people who says "I love you" breaks up someday or the other or keep playing around which contradicts what they once said. We hate to repeat such mistakes which everyone else enjoy making.

Thanks for reading.

Preach!!!!!!!!!!

thx thelibran for posting that up, i understand now why the words, "I love you" is weighted too much, sighs, I guess I just have to rely on my libras actions to see if he truly cares about me

EVERYONE!!!

Agreed kenny .. well, maybe not shallow, more like superficial.

Love cannot be put into one category definitively .. and people will use the word carelessly.

I love puppies .. love sweaters .. love my grandmother .. love the rain .. love sarcasm .. ice-cream ...


This word cannot do justice for how one really feels.

he wont say it if he doesn mean/feel it completely. or when he is not sure yet.
we cant push them..u just hv to wait.but when he says it...he realy means it.at least my libra. when they love u...they will let u know 🙂

But how can you tell if a libra male REALLY likes you, do you have to come out and say it first and how long would you usually have to wait, a month, years—??

We just cant say if we really like someone or not. Unless its a water or earth case where various factors contribute to extended heartbeats which matches our feelings with that of societies general perception of what love is. Then we dont hesitate to use the word 'love' .

With air or fire, we are just scared to tell them how much we like them. bcoz there are no extra heartbeats, there are no feelings and we are not sure if we really like them as a potential romantic partner when all these components are absent. So we begin to doubt ourselves. Can it be called love? No!!! at least as per social definition of love, it cannot be categorized as love. Then next best word to define it is 'like'. And thats the only word we can allow ourselves to use bcoz we wish to stay honest to whatever we speak. So if any air or fire born girl end up asking as "why do u like me?", we have answers. But if they ask us "why do u love me?", we are just plain clueless. Bcoz we think its not love bcoz there are no emotional factors involved. We are not getting much jealous like before. We genuinely want them to have the best and so so. which eventually make us deduct its not love and it may not work.

***he wont say it if he doesn mean/feel it completely. or when he is not sure yet.
we cant push them..u just hv to wait.but when he says it...he realy means it.at least my libra. when they love u...they will let u know ****

Same in my experience, in fact all the librans I have been in a relationship with (ex-hubby included) has actually told me they loved me first. Even after the relationship is over I have had two admit they love me still and want to be with me. However, for whatever my reasons were for ending the relationship I don't think it is resovable to be in love with them again in one instant. The other. I son't know if I could get back romantically involved with them either.

But THEY DO SAY IT and when they do, the definately mean it. I don't know maybe only when they are in their upper twenties and thirties. I dunno.

thelibran, do you really think librans do not feel emotional about fire or air signs? I don't think that is true fr all. Nic and his libra girl are ver intense and emotionally involved. Aranlatay (aries) and her libra are very emotional. He has already used the L word. So, why do you say this really. I don't think you can generalize everyone in the same catagory, because you will always find exceptions.

We use it when it doesn't make anymore psychological impact on the receiver. Its more like a casual statement of reassurance after they both find themselves mutually interested. Not while trying to be honest with someone when we are asked to explain ourselves during the starting stage.

If we use it in the early days, its only a subconscious level manipulation game we are trying to play on the other person.

You can find exceptions based on various cultural backgrounds and the amount of pressure the libra in question is facing.

***If we use it in the early days, its only a subconscious level manipulation game we are trying to play on the other person.***

Not true, if there actions back it up and they still do years later.

Hmm, maybe some librans can and some can't say it. I dunno. I guess I got a couple of the ones who could. They would say it on their own, no pressure etc. So who knows. Ofcourse these were librans I was in a serious relationship with, never really heard the I LOVE U from casual relationships, but I did hear the I care for you. Starting to get really emotional about us. etc.

Mine gives me the actions that tell me he loves me.

We've had the talks and I've gotten "Do you want me to tell you I love you? Yes, I do and it scares the shit out of me"....so I made a deal with him. I don't want to hear he loves me if he is going to deliver it that way..instead continue to show me that he loves me by showing me in his subtle and not so subtle ways.

I too cannot imagine my life without my "libra", but know that I should continue to live my life independent of his and let him compliment my life rather than supply it.

((My boyfriend tells me he loves me.))

you are also a scorpio right?

thats the primary reason why u got to hear it. Scorpios makes us way emotional to a point where we loose hold of logic.

Oh so, thelibran, you think it isn't logical for a libra to love a scorp? If so you are really being rediculous. It happens and is very possible.

my bad english may be. I mean libra fail to think logically when we become emotional. so we dont really think much before we say something to a water or earth sign.

The best you can hear from a libra is that "he likes you".

not true...not for me anyway

I have a libra that still tells me he loves me to this day...

and I am "everybody hates gemini" sign...

If we use it in the early days, its only a subconscious level manipulation game we are trying to play on the other person.

Thelibran...You make Libra men sound so shallow and manipulative...

With air or fire, we are just scared to tell them how much we like them. bcoz there are no extra heartbeats, there are no feelings and we are not sure if we really like them as a potential romantic partner when all these components are absent

why would you be there if there were no feelings, extra heartbeats and are not sure if you like them— There has to some emotional factors involved...

We are not getting much jealous like before.

Jeolousy is not a sign of love...It is insecurity...

***my bad english may be. I mean libra fail to think logically when we become emotional. so we dont really think much before we say something to a water or earth sign.***

Also can be untrue, especially in my experiences with them (water sign I am) they say it, mean it and continue to say it and back it up by actions, so it is logical to say what you mean and follow it up by actions. A person can only fake for so long. When they love you for years, even when it is over. They mean it period.

***If we use it in the early days, its only a subconscious level manipulation game we are trying to play on the other person. ***

When they clearly follow the statement by actions then they mean it...

Hurt heart, thelibran is very onesided. He seems to think his own libran outlook on life and others is the only one that exists or that is true. In his mere 27 years he has the answers to anything libran... LOL! Although I have seen quite a few librans especially male disagree with him on these threads.

***If we use it in the early days, its only a subconscious level manipulation game we are trying to play on the other person. ***

thats really fucked up...

I don't take those words lightly...

((not true...not for me anyway

I have a libra that still tells me he loves me to this day...))

Did he mentioned it at the very beginning? or said it after many months? 😛

((When they clearly follow the statement by actions then they mean it...))

QS, your experience with Libras contradicts your statement. If they loved you and was showing it with actions, why did u ditched them? When u dont have the same feelings back, how on earth can u label it as 'love'? May be you should try to tell me what it means by love.

lol

((Thelibran...You make Libra men sound so shallow and manipulative...))
Depends on how shallow is the girl in question. You need to remember so many small small details HH. We reflect our partners. We have an insane urge to dig to the bottom of truth. We hate to make mistakes bcoz we hate to spend our life regretting about that. We play solid mind games to figure out what we want to know. We hate to lie. We want to be fair to everyone. So how do u think all these things are possible if we dont spend time on testing the waters before diving in? Relationship is the main field where every adult of this generation claims to have expertise and end up failed. Bringing up kids in a broken home alone is a fine example. We hesitate to have kids bcoz we dont want to end up making them the victims of a potential relationship breakdown in future.

Play mind games and see how they react.

"Did he mentioned it at the very beginning? or said it after many months?"

after a month or two he mentioned it...

((after a month or two he mentioned it...))

was it soon after you tried to disappear on him?

We hate to lie. We want to be fair to everyone.

Does this statement not contracdict the bottom statement ??

***If we use it in the early days, its only a subconscious level manipulation game we are trying to play on the other person. ***


How is manipulating someone being fair and honest—

Personally, from what I have gathered from reading posts in this forum is that once a Libra Man gets hurt they spend the rest of their time making other people who care about them pay for the mistakes of their ex...They should spend their time figuring out what went wrong in the last relationship and what their part was and work on that instead of spending all their time playing mind games...

Do you think woman want to be manipulated and dissected by someone who is insecure and hasn't dealt with their past— You can test the waters without the games...lies and manipulation..

***QS, your experience with Libras contradicts your statement. If they loved you and was showing it with actions, why did u ditched them? When u dont have the same feelings back, how on earth can u label it as 'love'? May be you should try to tell me what it means by love.***

Maybe it is your english barier. Never ditched them, hence a relationship and a marriage came of them.

However there is more to being happy with a person than love a million other factors come into play. Life happens we can't control it. If this wasn't so we all would still be with the first person we ever loved... Correct?

***We reflect our partners***

So I guess that means if a libran's partner love them to death (no matter the sign) then they will do the same. Right?

Good point QS

***if it was truly love you would still be together..and also i truly find it very hard to believe that these men that you 'ditched' tell you that you they still love you. ok....ladies....how many exs, men that you ditched, or no longer see, tell you that they still love you——??***

Sorry this has never happened to you irishlibra, but I have no reason to lie. I have an ex libra boyfriend who tells me he loves me all the time and misses me he also told a mutaul friend of ours last week. Things didn't work out. My ex still tells me that he loves me he also tells my daughter all the time as well as my sister.

Okay, so your theory is if you really loved someone you would still be with them. So I guess you never really loved the scorp you stalked? Or any other person you were in a previous relationship with or you would still be with them right? Give me a break! People fall in and out of love all the time. A lot of times love doesn't dies but the levels of love change. You can love someone without being "in love" with them. Librans should know this better than anyone, because you are most capable of these different levels of love.

Think before you speak.

***women on here and elsewhere sometimes cant even get that their husbands, boyfriends to say i love you, and your ex(s) are supposedly telling you....come on!!!✨**

Wow!!! You truly have never had a man love you then huh—

Any woman in a marriage or relationship and their partner Never tell them they love them. GET OUT!!!

Irishlibra, by the way the scorp. Just sent an email telling me he will love me forever.

This is a little far fetched as I know that it might not be possible to love someone forever in the same way, but it may be possible to love them forever in a general sense. LOL!!!

I guess some people are loveable and some aren't huh irishlibra?

***Do you think woman want to be manipulated and dissected by someone who is insecure and hasn't dealt with their past— You can test the waters without the games...lies and manipulation..***

HH, they all don't do what thelibran says, keep in mind this is HIS perception.

Qs, I realize that this is his perception, but from reading posts it does seem like once a Libra man has been hurt, they have a hard time moving past this...I asked thelibran once already if he is a damaged Libra (been hurt before, badly) I still wonder from his posts if this is the reality of the situation...

***Qs, I realize that this is his perception, but from reading posts it does seem like once a Libra man has been hurt, they have a hard time moving past this...***

HH, that is true about librans in my experience too. I had a friend and my ex was both hurt badly both by sag girls (who they loved dearly). They do take awhile. Reminding them that you aren't her and giving them time to heal seems to be the recipe...

***I asked thelibran once already if he is a damaged Libra (been hurt before, badly) I still wonder from his posts if this is the reality of the situation...***

Yup by a scorp can't you tell— LOL!!!

***i mean it in the true sense of the word. idealistic, maybe, unrealistic, maybe....of course, people love me and me them on all different levels, but that is not what i am speaking of here.***

Oh, when I speak of these particular guys the libra ex, scorp and the ex hubby, I mean love as in "in love" with. Not genuine love from them. However for me, I think I love them more genuinely than "in love" except for the scorp maybe right now, but you know that story... He isn't right for me.

So yes, I mean still emotionally love me. They say that and go into depth about it. Like...

The ex libra: I can't imagine life without you. I hate things didn't work out. I still love you and can't even be with someone else. I think of my future with you and your daughter in it

Ex-husband: I still love you and ultimately wish I had my family back. No one will probably ever love me as deep and sincere as you therefore I will probably never love another to the depths of the love I have for you. (mind you he has a girlfriend). He still puts whatever I say over her wishes, which is what I advised him not to do. I told him I respect his new relationship and don't let me or our involvement (only because we have a child together) interfere with that. The only person that should be priority to that is our daughter and that is depending on the situation

Scorpio: I will love you forever, I can't seem to shake you and probably never will. But if I can't have you as a partner and be "in love" with you the way I wish. I want you as a friend, and hopefully the love will balance out.

Look, these statements don't make me feel good at all and often have me questioning myself and my decisions. I don't get a kick out of this, but feel bad often times. I have to trust myself. To know when something feels right then it is. When it doesn't. Then it isn't. I try to separate the emotional from the logic (something I have learned from librans). Do I think I will ever be able to be in a relationship/marriage forever. Yes, when and if I meet the right person for me. I am not looking for a PERFECT relationship because they don't exist. I am looking for a workable one. One that feels right even through the bad times. Sadly some people never find that. I just hope that I do.

I spent a lot of my younger years doing much of the same thing...Being afraid of getting hurt and pushing people away...It's such a waste of time being bitter...I think it takes time to come into your own and to be happy on your own...

My Libra is so angry, bitter and insecure over the last relationship...He always use to ask me how upset I was, could I sleep, basically trying to pry out of me if I was really upset over our time apart...
I would always tell him I'm fine, sleeping fine ect...Told him I'm not going to lie down and die because he dosen't want to be with me..

.I don't think he understood this...But I am past the point in my life where i am going to rely on anybody for my happiness, yes I am sad that he dosen't want to be with me but I will move on...I told him how I feel , got rejected but I am strong enough to deal with the outcome...

I think that most people who are afraid of love, commitment and trusting, really don't trust themselves to be able to handle the outcome if things don't work out...There is no gaurantee in anything..People cheat, leave, pass away...

So I guess what i'm trying to say is that I can relate to how a hurt Libra feels, but it is such a waste of time, to not work through the issues and love again without the games..

HH, this is true, but he can only love again whe he is ready and no one can put a time frame on that but him.

((How is manipulating someone being fair and honest—)
Its not. It begins as a subconscious drive. Once he is sure of what he is doing and why he is doing, he will start pulling away and permanently cut himself off to avoid taking advantage of the other person. This is what happens in a Libra man leo girl situation.

Manipulation part is what i have deducted after a series of studies. Most times we are unaware of the actual reasons why we flirt a bit more with someone and why we consider using the 'love' word. It only makes us feel like we are chasing someone. But in a while we get back to our senses after the initial lust is over.

So why not be truthful?? Still I question the games...If it is only lust that you are feeling then be truthful with the person...It is not taking advantage of a person if you make them aware of how you feel, it is when you manipulate to get what you want...I don't believe it's subconscious either....It's selfish and inconsiderate to the other person...
And it shows that there is no control over your own emotions...

was it soon after you tried to disappear on him?

nah, but if I'm not mistaken at the time I was calling him out on something he did wrong to me...i think...

(( So why not be truthful?? Still I question the games...If it is only lust that you are feeling then be truthful with the person...It is not taking advantage of a person if you make them aware of how you feel, it is when you manipulate to get what you want...I don't believe it's subconscious either....It's selfish and inconsiderate to the other person...
And it shows that there is no control over your own emotions...))

How can he be sure how he feels unless he cross check with few other libras who chased leo girls on how they all felt? I know its like that bcoz of the various case histories btween libra male and leo girl i have gone thru during the past 2 years. Plus results of my own experiments with myself and leo girls.

For any generic libra who is a part of this society, his idea of love is confused. He is attracted to a leo, enjoy being with her, but something is not right. He love to shag her, he likes so many things in her, but there is a huge block for him to be honest and be himself with the leo girl. And leo girl will get hurt for every silly reason we can think off. And libra is not going to censor his teasing and will be observing their reaction every damn second and studying them closely. And in the end he figures out there are many things in her which he dont like but he is not willing to leave her. which makes him search for the other reasons and he will end up finding the lust factor. Then he panics. Feels ashamed, all guilty, unable to say anything properly, part of him says "why not go ahead and keep doing what you were doing" and other part says "tats not fair". and he runs away.

Sounds like your a busy Libra...and that you have confusion with all signs...

Yes, Pandora, I'd say he's mirroring YOUR unsureness and insecurity. When Libras are in LOVE, they DO pursue.. and though after awhile it won't be with the fiery intensity of a Leo or Aries... he will still go out of his way to make you feel cherished and adored, his #1.

My Libra doesn't often SPEAK the words "I love you" and though part of me WOULD love to hear them more often, and not usually in exasperation, "I can't believe you don't know how much I love you! I feel like I've failed to show you that you mean so much to me!" (Virgo Moon LOL)... but his ACTIONS say he loves me, every day. When we're apart he still misses me.. still calls and texts. He says I am the thing that's most on his mind. He's out with the guys tonight, and I know I'll be hearing from him very soon. He'll call to make sure I don't need milk or something on his way home. Even though he HATES being woken up, because *I* like to be woken and kissed before he leaves, he goes against his nature to give it to me. Brings me coffee. We sit and talk about our days; he's always interested in all the boring details of my housewife's life. He holds me when I'm sad or stressed, respects my feelings and opinions, calls me his best friend and biggest fan, and won't let me get away with falling into old habits of shutting down or shutting him out. Picking up beer to go hang with friends, he'll buy me a Coke or a 6 pack of Mike's or something else - because I don't drink beer. When we're lying in bed watching TV, he'll turn on Food Network or Nat Geo - because he knows I like them (but never Lifetime or HGTV lol) When I join him and he's already watching the History Channel or Sports Network, he'll lift his arm for me to snuggle into and if he's not totally engrossed, ask if I'd like to watch something else. (Usually I don't -- I'm content to watch anything lying there with my head on his chest.) When I'm making dinner, he walks up behind me to kiss my neck -- and asks if I need help with anything. He allows NO ONE to disrespect me, himself included. I could go on and on.

So if I had to choose between him just SAYING he loves me OR all the ways he shows it... I can do without the words as often. And when he DOES say them, it still clutches my heart and takes my breath away... because he ONLY says the words when he's not only overwhelmed with love inside, but when he feels safe and secure expressing it verbally... even in front of his buddies.

Oh, and yes, I originally said those three little words first. I'm a Pisces, so that's not a shock. It took him a bit longer to say them back, but not long enough for me to feel like an idiot. LOL

*blink* Sometimes... sometimes I'm just brought nearly to my knees by the sudden rush of overwhelming love I have for this Libra man. I feel happy, content.. and blessed.

I re-read this thread cuz it was bumped.. and then found my own words staring at me.. it's all still true.. except he DOES speak the words more often now, and usually first. I do not wish for more or less... Still clutches at my heart.. cuz after all this time together, through thick and thin.. we've never ever allowed it to become just a meaningless statement we parrot to each other out of habit.