My almost Astro twin and our moons?! Help.

So is he a fuckboy? Am I too flighty? WTF is going on here.

So, I was dating my almost Astro twin. We have exact same placements except my moon is in Gemini, his Pisces. I know they are worlds apart and we are very different. I was hoping my 8th house placement, and my several 12 house placements would help it. But I'm confused. And TBH I'm not sure if it's me or not..

I hate long posts so I'll try to make this synopsis short as possible.

We started dating, hit it off immediately. Dates for 6 weeks. He took me everywhere. Introduced me to all his friends, took me to his motorcycle clubs shop night. I for once had no anxiety and flitted around making friends with everyone! He seemed happy to have me there. I thought it was perfect! The next day I don't hear from him. I ask him what's up. He replies "you're beautiful, smart, your personality is contagious and you have the best taste in music, my friends love you. but it's me. I'm terrible at dating. Better you know this now, than a month for now". Okay.... so I tell him "I thought we were having a great time I'm confused by this, but okay." He asks if we can be friends I say "I have enough friends, but maybe I'll see him around. No hard feelings".... Flashback to the very next day. He texts me he's sorry. He fucked up. It would make him happy for me to come up for the weekend. I oblige, we go to two of his friends cookouts. He even refers to me as his GF twice. His best friend Emma is there she shows me a text he sent her about liking me but "not wanting anyone to get hurt". We again have a great time and decide to continue dating he says "as long as you can handle my bullshit"....

This past Thursday hits, I made plans to go to the fair with his best friend Emma. Thursday is his motorcycle shop night, so I was trying to be thoughtful and didn't invite him. Thinking it's rude to impose on his time. Well, I guess emma told him and he planned to go. However, I fucked up dates and forgot I had a wedding in Maine to goto. So I cancelled on Emma. He texts me 3 times that day very vague. Repeatedly asking if I'm going to the fair. Seeming passive aggressive about me bailing (it's a GD wedding!!) So, I try to replan with him and he ignores my texts or says something unrelated to my questions about making plans. He does this for two days. So I get tipsy at the wedding and tell him "communication is important to me. Your lack of responding makes me feel disrespected and unimportant. So perhaps you're right. Maybe this isn't a good idea. Best of luck".... dramatic I know. I text him two days later and say I was too emotional. "Ask if we can both just wipe the slate clean for our self sabotage and never speak of it again" He ignores me. He stays off the internet completely. Zero communication.

Am I the dick? Does he even care? Why is this so wishy washy? Perhaps he really isn't ready? He is very emotional. How would a libra with Pisces moon, virgo Venus/Mars be?

I know this was long. Any insight on what I can do, or if this is red flag territory would be so much appreciated. Or hell, maybe I'm the jerk.

Sept 271985.

Oct 4 1985

Posted by Fortuna
I looked at the charts and you're right everything is similar, except the Moon placements. The house placements must be quite different or the Moon must play a more important role.

From an outsider's standpoint both of you seem, not quite mature enough for each other.

I appreciate the input. You're probably right. I get very emotional and over analyze things. I tried to rationalize with him and when he left me hanging, I reacted.

Posted by tiziani
When you said "no" he tried harder and made more of an effort. People who react like that aren't ready for anything long term with you. And he did say that to you about himself.

You're right. It's a bummer, I liked this dude. Dating is my own personal hell. Haha

Posted by heliumfiasco
So is he a fuckboy? Am I too flighty? WTF is going on here.

So, I was dating my almost Astro twin. We have exact same placements except my moon is in Gemini, his Pisces. I know they are worlds apart and we are very different. I was hoping my 8th house placement, and my several 12 house placements would help it. But I'm confused. And TBH I'm not sure if it's me or not..

I hate long posts so I'll try to make this synopsis short as possible... ... ...

...Am I the dick? Does he even care? Why is this so wishy washy? Perhaps he really isn't ready? He is very emotional. How would a libra with Pisces moon, virgo Venus/Mars be?

I know this was long. Any insight on what I can do, or if this is red flag territory would be so much appreciated. Or hell, maybe I'm the jerk.

I'll have to agree with @Fortuna, sounds like there are some maturity issues here. A big flag though was when the guy said he just wanted to be friends because he is bad at dating. It's odd that he would verbally shoot himself in his own foot, which either means he wasn't looking for anything serious or has low self esteem. Either way he was being a bit too indecisive, which was a good cue for you to not become too invested in him. As the late Maya Angelou said, "When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time."

There also seems to be too much passive aggressive behavior between you two. When he messaged you about the fair, were you responsive to him or did you wait to respond? If you waited to respond (due to his passive aggressive texts possibly annoying you), he probably felt ignored and mirrored your behavior by stonewalling you.

He may have even taken offense that you canceled on his friend due to the wedding. In his mind (especially with those Virgo placements) he was probably overanalyzing the situation and may have thought you were trying to dodge him. He may have even criticized you in his mind about the fact that you forgot about the wedding. Virgo Mars can make guys overly critical (while it can make women more prone to being "fixers").

Furthermore as you know, Librans overthink (and both of your Virgo placements means you overanalyze) and don't like having invitiations rebuffed or plans canceled by the other party (granted this is a generalization, but a pattern I've witnessed). Even though this guy didn't invite you to the fair directly, he apparently had the "expectation" that you'd be there. It's childish, but this guy IS passive aggressive after all.

Regardless he clearly decided to retaliate by giving you the silent treatment. It's pretty clear that you can't have a healthy relationship with this person if he's unwilling to communicate like an adult. It was good that you called him out on his behavior, but that's when you should have shut the door. When you proceded to text him afterward, you appeared to be manipulative. You sent the message that you were were playing games and trying to get a rise out of him. When he didn't fall for it, you caved (at least that's how it will appear from his point of view).

I wouldn't go so far to say any of this was your fault. This guy seems unwilling to communicate with you. My advice is to drop this one and move on to the next. In the future be sure to weed out the guys who are hot/cold. You'll benefit more in long run if the guy is able to reciprocate properly.

its hard dealing with an 'honest' fuccboi

I personally don't like nor trust anyone who tells me "it's me, I don't wanna hurt you" bullshit that right there is nothing but mind games.

I'm assuming his libra self don't wanna take the blame and seem like an asshole later on so he "warned" you as well as tried to trap you lol

Posted by Chuckcem

Posted by heliumfiasco
So is he a fuckboy? Am I too flighty? WTF is going on here.

So, I was dating my almost Astro twin. We have exact same placements except my moon is in Gemini, his Pisces. I know they are worlds apart and we are very different. I was hoping my 8th house placement, and my several 12 house placements would help it. But I'm confused. And TBH I'm not sure if it's me or not..

I hate long posts so I'll try to make this synopsis short as possible... ... ...

...Am I the dick? Does he even care? Why is this so wishy washy? Perhaps he really isn't ready? He is very emotional. How would a libra with Pisces moon, virgo Venus/Mars be?

I know this was long. Any insight on what I can do, or if this is red flag territory would be so much appreciated. Or hell, maybe I'm the jerk.

I'll have to agree with @Fortuna, sounds like there are some maturity issues here. A big flag though was when the guy said he just wanted to be friends because he is bad at dating. It's odd that he would verbally shoot himself in his own foot, which either means he wasn't looking for anything serious or has low self esteem. Either way he was being a bit too indecisive, which was a good cue for you to not become too invested in him. As the late Maya Angelou said, "When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time."

There also seems to be too much passive aggressive behavior between you two. When he messaged you about the fair, were you responsive to him or did you wait to respond? If you waited to respond (due to his passive aggressive texts possibly annoying you), he probably felt ignored and mirrored your behavior by stonewalling you.

He may have even taken offense that you canceled on his friend due to the wedding. In his mind (especially with those Virgo placements) he was probably overanalyzing the situation and may have thought you were trying to dodge him. He may have even criticized you in his mind about the fact that you forgot about the wedding. Virgo Mars can make guys overly critical (while it can make women more prone to being "fixers").

Furthermore as you know, Librans overthink (and both of your Virgo placements means you overanalyze) and don't like having invitiations rebuffed or plans canceled by the other party (granted this is a generalization, but a pattern I've witnessed). Even though this guy didn't invite you to the fair directly, he apparently had the "expectation" that you'd be there. It's childish, but this guy IS passive aggressive after all.

Regardless he clearly decided to retaliate by giving you the silent treatment. It's pretty clear that you can't have a healthy relationship with this person if he's unwilling to communicate like an adult. It was good that you called him out on his behavior, but that's when you should have shut the door. When you proceded to text him afterward, you appeared to be manipulative. You sent the message that you were were playing games and trying to get a rise out of him. When he didn't fall for it, you caved (at least that's how it will appear from his point of view).

I wouldn't go so far to say any of this was your fault. This guy seems unwilling to communicate with you. My advice is to drop this one and move on to the next. In the future be sure to weed out the guys who are hot/cold. You'll benefit more in long run if the guy is able to reciprocate properly.

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As usual you nailed it!

I guess I assumed dudes don't take you on weekend trips, introduce you as his GF, hangout several times a week for several weeks, and have you meet all their friends if they arent interested in actually dating you. My gut was he was on the fence heavily. Whatever!

Posted by startwars
its hard dealing with an 'honest' fuccboi

I personally don't like nor trust anyone who tells me "it's me, I don't wanna hurt you" bullshit that right there is nothing but mind games.

I'm assuming his libra self don't wanna take the blame and seem like an asshole later on so he "warned" you as well as tried to trap you lol

So true!!!!

Posted by heliumfiasco

Posted by Chuckcem

Posted by heliumfiasco
So is he a fuckboy? Am I too flighty? WTF is going on here.

So, I was dating my almost Astro twin. We have exact same placements except my moon is in Gemini, his Pisces. I know they are worlds apart and we are very different. I was hoping my 8th house placement, and my several 12 house placements would help it. But I'm confused. And TBH I'm not sure if it's me or not..

I hate long posts so I'll try to make this synopsis short as possible... ... ...

...Am I the dick? Does he even care? Why is this so wishy washy? Perhaps he really isn't ready? He is very emotional. How would a libra with Pisces moon, virgo Venus/Mars be?

I know this was long. Any insight on what I can do, or if this is red flag territory would be so much appreciated. Or hell, maybe I'm the jerk.

I'll have to agree with @Fortuna, sounds like there are some maturity issues here. A big flag though was when the guy said he just wanted to be friends because he is bad at dating. It's odd that he would verbally shoot himself in his own foot, which either means he wasn't looking for anything serious or has low self esteem. Either way he was being a bit too indecisive, which was a good cue for you to not become too invested in him. As the late Maya Angelou said, "When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time."

There also seems to be too much passive aggressive behavior between you two. When he messaged you about the fair, were you responsive to him or did you wait to respond? If you waited to respond (due to his passive aggressive texts possibly annoying you), he probably felt ignored and mirrored your behavior by stonewalling you.

He may have even taken offense that you canceled on his friend due to the wedding. In his mind (especially with those Virgo placements) he was probably overanalyzing the situation and may have thought you were trying to dodge him. He may have even criticized you in his mind about the fact that you forgot about the wedding. Virgo Mars can make guys overly critical (while it can make women more prone to being "fixers").

Furthermore as you know, Librans overthink (and both of your Virgo placements means you overanalyze) and don't like having invitiations rebuffed or plans canceled by the other party (granted this is a generalization, but a pattern I've witnessed). Even though this guy didn't invite you to the fair directly, he apparently had the "expectation" that you'd be there. It's childish, but this guy IS passive aggressive after all.

Regardless he clearly decided to retaliate by giving you the silent treatment. It's pretty clear that you can't have a healthy relationship with this person if he's unwilling to communicate like an adult. It was good that you called him out on his behavior, but that's when you should have shut the door. When you proceded to text him afterward, you appeared to be manipulative. You sent the message that you were were playing games and trying to get a rise out of him. When he didn't fall for it, you caved (at least that's how it will appear from his point of view).

I wouldn't go so far to say any of this was your fault. This guy seems unwilling to communicate with you. My advice is to drop this one and move on to the next. In the future be sure to weed out the guys who are hot/cold. You'll benefit more in long run if the guy is able to reciprocate properly.

As usual you nailed it!

I guess I assumed dudes don't take you on weekend trips, introduce you as his GF, hangout several times a week for several weeks, and have you meet all their friends if they arent interested in actually dating you. My gut was he was on the fence heavily. Whatever!

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Right, I don't think the issue was that he wasn't interested. I think the major issue was he doesn't know how to handle relatonships (which he told you upfront). Within the first 3 months people can hide who they truly are, so it's crucial to look past the facade.

Yea.. Yuck... He warned you.... He's fucked up. Dodged a bullet.

For some reason my gut says this isnt the last I'll hear from him.

@tiziani You have a very similar chart. I guess I'm mind fucking myself trying to decipher this. I gave it 4days and tried to reach out and explain myself, ask if we could at least be chill. NOTHING. I see him watching my IG stories. I've never ever had someone "ghost" me this hard. We have so many mutual friends. We're in the same social circle. I feel like there is something I'm missing here? This seems how someone who is hurt or pissed off would act. I don't get it.

Also, if he didn't want to date wouldn't he have been happy to hear that?! Like a relief?

Hahaha! Yo! It's an epedemic! The funniest part is he never watched my stories while we were dating! I just don't get him. At all!!! I regret being so kind to him yesterday. "Oh, I understand you don't deal well under pressure... but I'll be here if you ever want to be chill again.".... I thought I was being supportive. But i look like a dick head!

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Posted by heliumfiasco
Hahaha! Yo! It's an epedemic! The funniest part is he never watched my stories while we were dating! I just don't get him. At all!!! I regret being so kind to him yesterday. "Oh, I understand you don't deal well under pressure... but I'll be here if you ever want to be chill again.".... I thought I was being supportive. But i look like a dick head!

More like desperate.



Reading this thread was painful

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Yeah, my response yesterday did kind of feel that way looking back. However, for the most part I was pretty straightforward with him. And him with me. I was just shocked after hanging out like 15 times and him telling me he did in fact want to continue dating, that he'd ghost after me saying once "this isn't working". I guess I expected us to be chill because he originally wanted to be if we parted ways. We run in the same circle. You'd think he'd want no weirdness. Whatever.

Posted by Capmercury87
I've said that too some one, must be a water moon and earth Venus thing.

Were wild, we don't know what we want sometimes but those are phases, sometimes emotions seem like a chore to have because people get hurt.

I think you should wait it out and see if he comes around.

How ever if someone I just got together with the second time that couldn't wait more than four days for me to text back, dumping me, your on your own now.

True! I just felt insecure. Was catching feelings and wanted reassurance. I Def played a part in that, but dude was being wishy washy AF. Don't tell people I'm your girlfriend, then freak out over dumb shit, and leave me hanging! Ha I have no chill after 3 glasses of wine!

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Posted by heliumfiasco
Hahaha! Yo! It's an epedemic! The funniest part is he never watched my stories while we were dating! I just don't get him. At all!!! I regret being so kind to him yesterday. "Oh, I understand you don't deal well under pressure... but I'll be here if you ever want to be chill again.".... I thought I was being supportive. But i look like a dick head!

More like desperate.



Reading this thread was painful

Yeah, my response yesterday did kind of feel that way looking back. However, for the most part I was pretty straightforward with him. And him with me. I was just shocked after hanging out like 15 times and him telling me he did in fact want to continue dating, that he'd ghost after me saying once "this isn't working". I guess I expected us to be chill because he originally wanted to be if we parted ways. We run in the same circle. You'd think he'd want no weirdness. Whatever.

Chill...let it proceed how it should

You need to take meditation

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You're right. I get crazy. My head space is just constantly going. It's hell.