Those dating their opposite sign are mislead (Page 2)

"I dont know what aquas you've been arguing with...

but THIS aqua REMAINS on this topic and wont go and find your other posts and try to demean you in every way. That is NOT how i am. If you see, I'm TRYING to be fair, and tell you why we disagreed with you.

Like I said, yes it's your opinion, but you understand right? WHY your topic may sound really unfair...
sure to YOUR opinion LTR is not good for aries/libra, but you stated in many of your comments here, that aries are not good basically. You dont really know that for sure. Of course, when you write down, "BASED on your observation, and based on your....ect ect..." it wouldn't sound so offensive.

THINK about it. If a publicized work were to go out and had that kind of generalised view that was NICHED in about Libras alone...it would not be taken well. (now if you mentioned, yes, perhaps there are some but i haven't met any...that would be more, likely to be received well)"


Thanks for helping me edit my topic for its tone.
Okay, maybe its offensively written, but you cant please everyone when you're illustrating a point.
And I dont care whether its received well or not.. this is a message board is all..

Posted by valeria25
^^ and if i had in anyway found myself doing such low tactics...I quickly check myself because that means I have succumbed to a darker energy...and I do NOT like that at all.

I just want you know I'm not having preferences. And yes, I have a soft spot for some virgos. I always try to make sure I say "SOME"... 🙂

That is only your judgment. From where you insulted WTF in the other thread I can say you're down a dark path as well.

You gave me insight onto how the aqua mind can differ as well.

Just to let you know, we think differently..
and I think you should not censor what I think just because it doesnt fit your prerogative.

Posted by valeria25

Posted by spica
You gave me insight onto how the aqua mind can differ as well.

Just to let you know, we think differently..
and I think you should not censor what I think just because it doesnt fit your prerogative.

OK. Sure thing. I'll repeat then.

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I don't see you trying to change other peoples' minds, just maybe your mother's and my topic.
Biased against libra much?

From what you posted, I don't think you see my side at all, not even a bit. So, I think it is valid when I say that.

"I dont think i've ever insulted wtf; i quite like him a lot. Also, please, I keep saying, I dont want to bring other topics/threads into this. And me on a dark path? Sigh... I hope none of us ever do. Let's just hope."

You need to be on a dark path to see the light. Else you'd be trapped like prisoner's in plato's allegory, only able to see the shadow cast where the light is. I have been on both, and I believe in my own integrity. If you insult mine, I just have to insult your own.

I take it I should write down more of Libras bad point to balance it out, but that doesnt detract from my point.

And on topic, you tend to have more empathy for certain signs, and since I felt you didnt see my POV in this, only those of Aries, I can say that you're at least a bit biased..

fair enough?

I dont wish to argue with you anymore.

"Definitely. I can see from my own observations between my aries sister and my libra mother...the fights that ensue...
but you know what? They still come to love eachother fondly. My sister has aggravations about my mother's unreasonable outbursts because she feels she's not being appreciated.

But then, there's so many more times when my mother appreciates the bravery and determination and big heart my sister has. And my sister appreciates all the good advise and good upbringing my mother tries to instill in all of us.

So yeah, nothing is perfect but no I'm not biased against Libra. I keep telling you that."


Well I can understand if that's where you got your libra-aries dynamic from and why you disagreed with me: Libra and aries can live together harmoniously. But note that familial - mother daughter ties are very different from male-female ties.

I wrote this to illustrate male-female ties..

I didnt appreciate your butt in because I wasnt about to change my views.

And note that I have an Aries father.. I know what I'm talking about.

-fin-

"How does one even know if they're in a dark path if they're in the dark? That is the question..."

This one isn't shrouded in mystery, you know..


"Anyway, I have empathy for everyone... and I saw your POV. If for example, an aries wrote what she/he wrote about Libras in the Aries forum what you did... I wouldnt agree with them, because they would be generalising ALL libras are like that. "

Um, you generalised signs in other forums, and ignored others' generalisations in other forums. Thing is, you dont' see it. nevermind.
Can you see we are at cross purposes and this argument is not solving anything?

"Wording in a publicised book or newspaper is VERY important, from what my professors tell me. So what one writes should be AWARE that they are speaking to an audience that are "people" who are complicated and can't be niched into what one believes they all are. There are always exceptions to the rule."

So yure trying to be an editor of my work now?
Have you ever thought that Im just writing my mind?
I am not trying to be a professional.

Okay, can I ask you, what is your prerogative here?

If you're trying to make me change my mind, thats not gonna work.
If you're trying to criticise my use of language, fine. But its all said and done.
If you're trying to humour me, thanks, we typed alot.

And no, this doesn't solve anything.
You're just trying to criticise what I write for the sake of it.

Nice try..

Posted by valeria25

Posted by spica
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Um, you generalised signs in other forums, and ignored others' generalisations in other forums. Thing is, you dont' see it. nevermind.
Can you see we are at cross purposes and this argument is not solving anything?

"Wording in a publicised book or newspaper is VERY important, from what my professors tell me. So what one writes should be AWARE that they are speaking to an audience that are "people" who are complicated and can't be niched into what one believes they all are. There are always exceptions to the rule."

So yure trying to be an editor of my work now?
Have you ever thought that Im just writing my mind?
I am not trying to be a professional.

LOL @ your comment on being the editor of your work. Ok, well you know, from the ORIGINAL Point I was trying to make...

WHY the two aries came in here and me disagreeing with your wording. And then you said what you said in response.

I dont read everyone's posts on this forum. This one was interesting to me because it was written by you 🙂

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The 2 Aries came in here because they took what I wrote personally. It hit home because if it didn't they wouldnt react so violently with insults.
My choice of words are not the best, but I wanted feedback from Aries, which I never get. What I get are insults.
If they had taken point by point and explained how it didnt work for them, then I will stand up and listen. But they failed to do that.. mostly because I think it is true.
And thanks for your compliment if it was.
If you like to change my mind, then I need concrete examples based on detailed observations otherwise. Not a general observation.

Posted by valeria25

Posted by spica
Okay, can I ask you, what is your prerogative here?

If you're trying to make me change my mind, thats not gonna work.
If you're trying to criticise my use of language, fine. But its all said and done.
If you're trying to humour me, thanks, we typed alot.

And no, this doesn't solve anything.
You're just trying to criticise what I write for the sake of it.

Nice try..

why are you so wishy washy?? You just said in another post that you changed your tone of the wording of the original post and thanked me!! 😛 then now you are saying i'm changing your mind?

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Because I am confused of your intent. It's pretty subtle.
If you're saying it's my wording, I am fine.
But if you're trying to change my POV about Libra-Aries, then it won't work...

Yes I'm wishy washy. It's my trademark.

Posted by valeria25

Posted by spica


Thanks for helping me edit my topic for its tone.
Okay, maybe its offensively written, but you cant please everyone when you're illustrating a point.
And I dont care whether its received well or not.. this is a message board is all..

THIS.

This showed me that you SAW what i was trying to say! 😄

and you're right! you can't please everyone.

but if there's something offensively or something that others think is offensive, you have to see that there's a reason why people got upset.

Now if you come at me saying I dont see your viewpoint, I DO! I just mentioned it in the other...

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No Valeria, the 2 Aries, IMO weren't upset based on my wording, but based on the topic of the post.

"Ok, first aries came in because LIKE I KEEP SAYING: your original topic sounded very offensive nicheing ALL aries like that. Of course a couple of them are gonna think that you met some really bad ones and they're trying to help you see that there aren't.

Did you believe that the first aries poster was in battle mode to you?

And yes, I was ACTUALLY complimenting some points towards you. (the libra good traits and of course loads of great libras out there, just like my mother - but she's not perfect and no one is)"

Um, I think I have the right to niche whenever I see fit..
Aries are always in battlemode.. they see life as a battle.

Okay, so where should this go?
What do you like to see as the resolution to this "discussion"?

"I have NO bad intent towards you. NO WAY. I just want you to see why your posts/comments to them and myself seem so snide and degrading. IT really seems like that!! and I wont quote you, cause I'm too tired to quote it. But you see what I mean? If they seemed to hurt you, you feel to want to hurt back."

Maybe you'd want to go to the Aries board and censor every insult they mention, instead of trying to only censor me.

"Sigh. Yeah. I know....but i want you to FOCUS. FOCUS on the subject itself: The reasons why the 2 aries and myself disagreed."

Aha! I do focus pretty well.
BUT I think that your reasons were different from theirs.
To speak for them is not fair.
They know for themselves their reasons and to drag them to your viewpoint is clannish and inaccurate.

Hey, I think we should stop this.



I still dont see the point of this.

^ But these are my views of the nature of Aries from my POV.

Ya, so why keep repeating it when I already saw your point?
That I dont understand.

LOL.

But, it's already said and done. I'm not going to edit it because its not possible.

And I already told you I dont mind whatever Aries say about Libras. Or even me. They do personal attacks very well. It seems you're on their side.

"I dont think, personally a certain sign has great attack skills. lol. You do them very well for example, if a person were to get OFF the beaten track and get PERSONAL....."

Um, you singled me out first, of course I'll get personal with you.
But if you didn't, I wouldn't.
Yes, I have great attack skills.

"To achieve peace, you need to know the art of war"
~ pity I didnt know it when I was younger.

"I dont think, personally a certain sign has great attack skills."

You don't know symbolisms very well. I take it you're not an expert in symbolisms or even astrology...

"yeah but your attack skills have personal attacks on them.

to a more emotional sign, this would be quite horrible for them.

Wow, at least you KNOW you are good at it. lol"

How about the multitude personal attack BY emotional signs? Wow, you just left that out.


"Nope, I'm not an expert. I'm quite newish to astrology. It's fun to learn though. "

Yeah dude.. I'm basing it off my knowledge of astrology. It isnt fair when you come to dilute things based on a peace process and generalisation.

No, you can win if you'd like to.


Just an advice for you, since you gave me so much advice: Try not to control how people think or censor what they say. You can argue points presented, but you can't tell them what to say or why. I'm not sure why you don't know this simple ethical logic.

No, it won't do any good.

Point taken.......

I got to go.

I know why you're here. I see your point, but it doesn't match my point.

So, this one is not a win-win.



Force your point if you like.

My original topic still stands, and I'll be writing more.

Now I know why so many Aquas I know marry Tauruses.

They met their match.

Last point:

"Because NOT every aries are like that..."

Yes they are. That is their intrinsic basic nature.
Unless they change..


GOODBYE. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME.

"Like I said, yes it's your opinion, but you understand right? WHY your topic may sound really unfair...
sure to YOUR opinion LTR is not good for aries/libra, but you stated in many of your comments here, that aries are not good basically. You dont really know that for sure. Of course, when you write down, "BASED on your observation, and based on your....ect ect..." it wouldn't sound so offensive.

THINK about it. If a publicized work were to go out and had that kind of generalised view that was NICHED in about Libras alone...it would not be taken well. (now if you mentioned, yes, perhaps there are some but i haven't met any...that would be more, likely to be received well)"


Publicised work are either for or against. I have no probs with that. If I dont like it, I dont read. Simple.

"my goodness, this isn't about winning or losing.

you already saw my point. I saw yours."

If you don't like my point, don't read it. Unless youre on a crusade towards Aries.. do they owe you a clanhood medal?

No, Valeria, you don't get it at all...................................

You can support Aries all you like, but this is my view on their relationship with Libra. I hope you can see that.

"this is a public forum, though. You know other signs are gonna see it."

Yeah but I didnt expect you to type for so long about the same point over and over.

Whats the point. Unless you're also taking it personal and bringing it towards how you'd defend your aries sibling against your mum. Thats how I see it.

Lets stop.

Just wanna tell you that whatever you conjured about me and my thoughts are wrong. Boy you are so controlling.

Lets stop. NOW.

If anything, Aquas are not the perfect mediator for Aries and Libra.

If you know anything about astrology, Aries and Libra know each other more than Aqua or Gemini. You haven't hit the spot with me. I felt you missed quite a bit.

But, nice try..

you can go save the world in another place..

Like, that relationship Aqua have with Leo.

Posted by valeria25

Posted by spica

Wow, why are you calling me that? you're pointing fingers. I could say the same about you, with your battle mode tactics, but omg, I realise that's just how you play. I understand, and you admitted that's your attack style , and you're good at it.

I do NOT think you are an awful person or anywhere NEAR that, so PLEASE do not get suspicious as to what images you think i've conjured up towards you.

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This one:
"but you were snide remarking on the aries and to myself because you thought we disliked you or something. That's getting way too personal."

That's imprinting your thoughts. It's inaccurate.

^ What are your experiences with your opposite sign, Leo?



No, I did not say I was professional about it. You're putting words into my mouth again.
Open minded, yes, but this is about compaitiblity and statstics.
Statistics are concrete.
I am speaking concrete.
I dont think open mindedness works well when you're FOCUSING. or making an opinion or theory.
Sometimes you have to be straight to the point.
Open mindedness will give a diluted argument.

I am all for my topic, of course I'll support it without any half heartedness.

I'll be off. Nice talking to you. Just cant help noticing you're like the police for everything Libra.. but pardon all other signs.
Adieu.

"Ok I thought from here, you're more professional, because youve been studying into it for quite awhile.
What makes one very professional into this anyway?"


Nah, I am not here to toot any horn, but pls read up on the symbol for Mars.
Ares in greek mythology.
From there you understand the intrinsic nature of Aries.

Then you won't be at my back so much.

And you may, hopefully understand why I proposed this.

I dont mean to offend aries or libras dating aries but I enjoy my free speech.

Posted by valeria25

Posted by spica
I'll be off. Nice talking to you. Just cant help noticing you're like the police for everything Libra.. but pardon all other signs.
Adieu.

why are you saying for libras? like it's a generalised thing. I've been saying in this topic, that not all libras, just like not all aries, ect.

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I noticed you only pick on Libras.
This is not new.

My Aqua teach also picks on Libras. Like Libras are their pet picker or something.

But you don't realise it, thats the thing.

We don't relish being picked on, especially not for something like judgementalism. That's not an offense in my book.
Everyone judges, else the media wouldnt flourish. Advertisements won't sell.
If anything, I trust the judgment of Libras because theyve been weighed more times than you know.

"I've done some reading on mars, but i'm sure there's more to it. Free speech is great and all...
but you know, my aries ex wasn't a battle cry guy that aries are supposed to be...I guess what i'm saying, is that not all."

I see where you're getting at now. You should have mentioned this earlier, so I know where you are getting your influences.
Thing is, Aqua-Aries and Libra-Aries dynamics are very different. Aqua tend to have a very glassy view on Aries. I think the Libran view on Aries is more accurate. Not tooting my horn again, but same goes for Aqua-Leo. Aqua understands Leo more than other signs can do.

"Have you considered that it's because you're very skilled at your attack mode/battle modes? like you mentioned that you're good at it?"

I have to admit my speech is provocative and very direct.
But I am not really that good at it; only in writing.

If you take it generally as a whole (like i dont pick on amethyst/invigorateme specifically), then it won't be offensive.

I think Aries, as much as they dont like to admit, benefit from the viewpoint of Libras on the board because they themselves dont speak alot of their own strategies. Or offer views on why aries behave in certain ways.

"well, I would agree BUT, if i met a bad aries, there's nothing glassy-viewed about that. I've read some topics on aries men and women and how they are inconsiderate and string girls/guys along...like i said, no one is perfect. My aries ex was a gentle aries. You said your dad is great, and how you've witness the battle style s of his and your mum in this topic."

No, I am speaking of their nature, not from what they show you.
This is the difference.
I know my dad's nature.
It's incompatible to mine.

"Oh well...btw, I dont know, it could also depend on their hidden charts, which goes to my original intent that not everyone is niched into the same.

For example, if i were to have a lot of water in me, i might approach you with a more emotional argument...my guess."

Nah, hidden charts don't mean anything really in the larger scheme of things. All you need to now is their sun. That's who they are.

Posted by valeria25

Posted by spica
"Oh well...btw, I dont know, it could also depend on their hidden charts, which goes to my original intent that not everyone is niched into the same.

For example, if i were to have a lot of water in me, i might approach you with a more emotional argument...my guess."

Nah, hidden charts don't mean anything really in the larger scheme of things. All you need to now is their sun. That's who they are.

I dont agree, sorry! Don't take offense cause I'm disagreeing! LOL 😛

But another libra would approach things much differently than you.

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Very likely they would.

But as I mentioned I grew up with Aries. I think that I have managed to see first hand how the symbolisms play out.
And it's not played out in good or superficial times, but in the bad times.

Granted there are other differing experiences with Aries from Libra's end, but

generally, I still think this one is not a good match, and I admit, its based on my experiences with more than a big handful.

Maybe Aries suit Aquas better.

And if you see curious visitor and 2libras posts, I think they would agree.

Posted by valeria25

Posted by spica
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No, I am speaking of their nature, not from what they show you.
This is the difference.
I know my dad's nature.
It's incompatible to mine.

Yeah but another libra would be compatible with another aries...

also, if they know you well, they do show you their nature.

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Thats what you think.

I personally don't agree with this combi.

But you can think otherwise.
The proof, is really in the pudding

and what Libras think for themselves

it is also in the statistics
on marriages and divorces.

^^you're being very presumptuous. Not everything is textbook. And Aqua wont understand libra nor aries as well as they would like.

Posted by valeria25

Posted by spica
But you can think otherwise.
The proof, is really in the pudding

and what Libras think for themselves

it is also in the statistics
on marriages and divorces.

Yeah but think about it. In the U.S. there's a TON of divorces. Infidelity, suspicion, inconsideration, only marrying for money, marrying out of desperation...ect ect..the list continues...or even those marriages that are arranged. So many factors. Immaturity....everything.

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Well, I am focusing on Aries and Libra. The divorces can be due to alot of things, but from what I know about Aries Libra dynamics, it isn't a good match.

Posted by valeria25
Anyway, I have to get back to work.

But I'll respect your opinion that you believe it's not a good match due to your experiences.
I really do appreciate the insights you gave too, and opening up a bit about some stuff. 🙂

Alright, thanks. GB

No, its not based on statistics. I go by symbolisms.. the nitty gritty.

Kay good working. I got stuff to do as well.

all this is so interesting.
Valeria although education, environment and other factors do play definite roles in what we do/what happens to us, DXP is mostly a debate about astrology and its abstract dynamics. You were not pleased to hear the generalized statements and for sure that to single out a population/group, well, this is how the nazis started in the first place, its the doom of humanity, however, I believe that what Spica has introduced here is a thread about the Aries-Libra dynamics. OK so she hasn't used the more politically correct wording you would have liked, but on DXP lots of conversations have to do with or are trying to discover patterns in the way we react and behave towards each other based on astrological movements.
The point is that after the Aries and yourself reacted the way they're expected to act Spica had to focus on appeasing the tension and no other interesting contributions happened. You probably meant to say that if one is not careful to express the unpleasant in a pleasant way, then 13 pages of such will follow?

my 2 cents
the Aries-Libra dynamics fascinate me. I have seen the statistics (Libra will most frequently divorce the Aries) beaten up by the reality of some seriously strong, long enduring Aries-Libra marriages. Like, 30 yrs, lifetime, happy, what we all want, etc.
From what I've talked to ppl, searched the internet:
- it works when the Sun-Moon is conjunct, trine, sextile
- in the relationship, personality-wise, the Libra transforms itself in Aries and the other way around. They are complementary, meaning they both need to learn the other guys lesson.
- my Aries ex says the reason these two would end up together is cause they're missing the other guys side and haven't managed to catch up through education, life experience, astro profile, you name them.

What I tend to think though is that this is not the best association for neither of them. I ve come up with the theory that Libras involved with Scorpios and Aries long term CHOOSE to remain in a partnership that protects them (cocoon type) from the brash outside world. Often, though, (its human nature), instead of doing the learning part and MOVE ON to the best relationship possible (ANOTHER LIBRA for ex), you see Libras trapped and weak and cheating/manipulating the Aries/Scorp behind their backs. Here's a Libra thats NOT happy, weak, unable to evolve spiritually; keeps stumbling into Aries conflicts and Scorpio's controlling emotional strategies.