Circumcision!!! Male and Female

So I was watching the news and apparently in islamic culture especially in indonesia they practice female circumcision and the the segment was shocking and I was pretty saddened for the little girls that don't know what are going on and thinking their mothers are stupid to keep this tradition going on in their communities??_

And its the same way I feel about male circumcision I hate it how its the always the mothers saying its "cleaner' to me it makes me feel how they prefer to suck uncircumcised penises and that their future female partners would want that also its designed originally for the male not to have pleasure while masturbating??_..I also think its hypocritical and sexist for one culture to think one genders circumcision is more barbaric than the other??_.

Its a childs fucking genitalia, they have no concept about sex or sexuality why do people think because a child is theirs that they can just lop and tamper with their junk?!??_.whats the fucking fuss!? if its problematic or there is preference in the future why can't the adult make their own decision?.

I think the government needs to crack down on all circumcision on children because i see it as pedophile behaviour to mutilate "yes mutilate" a child's genitals regardless of sex.

thoughts?

I googled and this was the first thing that popped up??_.

The use of circumcision for medical or health reasons is an issue that continues to be debated. Currently, the American Academy of Pediatrics does not recommend routine circumcision for newborn males stating the evidence was not significant enough to prove the operation's benefit. The procedure may be recommended in older boys and men to treat phimosis (the inability to retract the foreskin) or to treat an infection of the penis.

Parents should talk with their doctor about the benefits and risks of the procedure before making a decision regarding circumcision of a male child. Other factors, such as your culture, religion, and personal preference, will also be involved in your decision.

You might have a dreamy concept of how you want your boys but its not always about you??_..these are young adults and taking away their rights to choose is a slap in the face for them

breast milk is better than formula and everyone knows it??_..you can't recreate gut flora with formula and everyone knows breastfed kids are better than bottle fed??_.I know because i use it as an insult lol??_.but you can't disregard doctors advice for one weird anonymous fact??_..maybe some women can't breast feed efficiently than others and that came into deciding the outcome??_who knows?

You say you don't want to risk your kids getting an infection getting older but your fine risking your kids getting a botched procedure from a complete stranger??_

Look I just think people should leave kids fucking genitals alone!??_..if it becomes a problem then so be it but if you do it for religious or cosmetic beliefs or your just to plain lazy to teach your kids to clean it then its wrong??_

And lovesick cancer I'm not an idiot Its true ??_.. Ive met young mums who say that giving head to uncircumcised penises are gross and thats why they did it to their kids!??_.so fuck yourself

Out of topic, male circumcision is said to decrease chances of contracting stds & hiv. Uncircumsized males are said to be at much higher risk of being infected than circumsized ones.

In my country, in most cultures, it is compulsory for young boys to undergo the procedure. The Zulus have stopped during Shaka's reign & now they have the highest # of hiv in the whole country. Their king has since brought back the practise to save his dying nation.

SO, male circumcision does have its benefits. The female one I don't get. It's like a joke.

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Posted by The_eleventh_sign_11
Look I just think people should leave kids fucking genitals alone!??_..if it becomes a problem then so be it but if you do it for religious or cosmetic beliefs or your just to plain lazy to teach your kids to clean it then its wrong??_

And lovesick cancer I'm not an idiot Its true ??_.. Ive met young mums who say that giving head to uncircumcised penises are gross and thats why they did it to their kids!??_.so fuck yourself

Your inability to discuss a serious topic without talking some dumbshit proves you are infact an idiot!!

The fact that you think circumcision is just an Islamic act proves you are an idiot!!

So you so fuck yourself with your uncircumcised cheesy dick fool!!

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Your the fucking moron, I said female circumcision "apparently" is a part of islamic culture because I just watched it on tv last night you twatter??_..oh and if you didn't actually realise it fucking is a part of islamic culture!!! It's not in the Quran but its practiced in the community which is culture dumb fuck

And my inability to discuss a serious topic? you just came in and highlighted and quoted the two little most insignificant things you can find and put your two cents in you slum bitch!

And I AM circumcised so go and suck your BFs cheesy cock because UK has the lowest circumcision rate??_have fun with that

Posted by Fox
You know what else angers me?
Arranged child marriages.

My grandparents have one of those. They've been married for close to 60 years

Aries Man - Sag Woman.

First 10 years they couldn't stand each other and then they grew into love. You cannot build a house from the ground up and not have any affection for the person by your side. They stood together through thick and thin, had 3 earth sign sons (lol@ that) and whenever divorce came on the table they still clung to the commitment. Not condoning arranged marriages but they were lucky..and it's nice to see people still treasure commitment in this world.

Went with my grandmother to the village graveyard..about 80% of the people burried there were matched with their trine suns...I find that funny. Maybe they arranged marriages according to astrology?

Oh, I misread.

Still I wanted to share the story 🙂

Fox, can you guess how happy both of my grandparents were when being forced to marry? She was 16 back then.

FIRE SINGS TANTRUMS ALL THE WAY. 😄

*signs...I'm in a singing mood today.

No, I am single as of late. *winks at Fox*

I wouldn't personally but who the hell knows what's going to happen in someone's life. I take my Virgo Dad SUBTLE hints "why aren't you getting married already?" in stride and always make sure to reply with "Why, do you have some suitor to present me?"

Funny thing is he had one at some point...a Leo priest...I thought I was going to die of laughter that die.

that day* fuck this retro merc.

I swear I'm so far from passing for a priests's wife is not even funny.

Anyway dad gave up that day...since I obviously welcome the Devil in my heart.

No, Fox of course not. I tried indulging his Gemini Moon and Libra Venus/Mars.

I enjoy trolling him immensely, I called him a few years later after that incident "Dad, I think I am pregnant..CALL THE LEO PRIEST NOW!"

There was a long silence..then he goes "Ok, I will"
"No Dad, stop"

Nonstop banter between us two.

Yeah 😄..two virgos..way too much ego.

Posted by The_eleventh_sign_11
I googled and this was the first thing that popped up??_.

The use of circumcision for medical or health reasons is an issue that continues to be debated. Currently, the American Academy of Pediatrics does not recommend routine circumcision for newborn males stating the evidence was not significant enough to prove the operation's benefit. The procedure may be recommended in older boys and men to treat phimosis (the inability to retract the foreskin) or to treat an infection of the penis.

Parents should talk with their doctor about the benefits and risks of the procedure before making a decision regarding circumcision of a male child. Other factors, such as your culture, religion, and personal preference, will also be involved in your decision.

You might have a dreamy concept of how you want your boys but its not always about you??_..these are young adults and taking away their rights to choose is a slap in the face for them

I agree, the only reason why male circumcision is done on little boys is to basically prevent infection..however i think that if a man is taught how to clean him self correctly there is no harm in being uncircumcised. sometimes we need to just leave the human body the way God Created it. Humans always trying to experiment. The penis can retract when it is read to..A lot of sensitivity can be lost in this procedure and robbing your child of a good sexual experience when older..Female circumcision..I have to read about that because that just sounds really disgusting and i could not image anyone cutting my stuff (for what) what is the real reason for all of this mutilation. Just leave the penis and vagina alone how they were naturally made. I goggled this about taking care of the penis:

*gently pulling it back away from the glans
*rinsing the glans and inside fold of the foreskin with [mild] soap and warm water
*[rinsing with water only]
*pulling the foreskin back over the head of the penis.

Caring for your son's uncircumcised penis requires no special action. Remember, foreskin retraction will occur naturally and should never be forced. Once boys begin to bathe themselves, they will need to wash their penis just as they do any other body part

There is no such thing as female circumcision, it's called genital mutilation and involves removing of the clitoris and most of the external parts of the genitalia.

Male circumcision is just removing a part of the foreskin. Huge difference.

the only difference between female and male circumcision is that one of them got into cultural customs and now you have idiots defending it because they need to pass their trauma onto future generations.
I'm just thankful my parents never pulled that shit on me.

It's sad that more people aren't aware of this.

When people say women's rights and treatment is NOT where it should be, IT IS NOT WHERE IT SHOULD BE.

"lol oh them feminists think things are bad."

THIS is a great example of how things are still really jacked up around the world. Omgz, must circumsize and mutilate female genitalia because we can't have any cheating going on, so we don't want them capable of feeling pleasure since our poor egos don't want her straying.

It's sick and pathetic.

want a hug ya wee bawbag?

People just need to leave the human body alone how God created it..when u turn old..if you want to go be stupid and cut your d**** self be your guest and do so..unless your child is born abnormal or mutated..there is no reason to do this..being born with extra skin on your d**** is normal....why would you cutt someones clitoris off.really..you must be d***** retarded to do that

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Posted by rockyroadicecream
It's sad that more people aren't aware of this.

When people say women's rights and treatment is NOT where it should be, IT IS NOT WHERE IT SHOULD BE.

"lol oh them feminists think things are bad."

THIS is a great example of how things are still really jacked up around the world. Omgz, must circumsize and mutilate female genitalia because we can't have any cheating going on, so we don't want them capable of feeling pleasure since our poor egos don't want her straying.

It's sick and pathetic.

Is that the reason they do it? That's their motivation? To remove any sexual feelings of pleasure for fear that the women may stray?

Human being are capable of such immense atrocity... 😢

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Yes.

It's just men being sick pigs as usual in "third world" countries. Everything revolves around that ego and penis of theirs. It's pretty disgusting.

You have this shit going on. You have human trafficking going on. Child brides to old perv dudes with 57843 wives. Rape isn't considered a crime. Anyone familiar with the woman in India who died from gang rape?

There's still a lot of crazy, crazy shit going on. The US may not see as many atrocities as some of these countries, but we still harbor a pretty shitty rape culture.

Don't forget ladies, the women's rights movement was bad and just made things worse (for guys). Everything is fine and dandy. We're totally viewed as equals in the world. *eyeroll*

Overall, the whole point is that any of this is truly disturbing and if ONLY more people were aware of what's going on...

Posted by LilyTree

If it's cultural, and it was done to her, and everyone in the community treats it as a normal occurrence and ritualistic right of passage, it may never occur to the mother to protect her daughter as it's something she's always known. Or perhaps she is forced. I need to do more reading to delve deeper into this topic.

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If it's cultural, and it was done to him, and everyone in the community treats it as a normal occurrence and ritualistic right of passage, it may never occur to the mother to protect her son as it's something she's always known. Or perhaps she is forced. I need to do more reading to delve deeper into this topic.

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Posted by LilyTree

If it's cultural, and it was done to her, and everyone in the community treats it as a normal occurrence and ritualistic right of passage, it may never occur to the mother to protect her daughter as it's something she's always known. Or perhaps she is forced. I need to do more reading to delve deeper into this topic.

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If it's cultural, and it was done to him, and everyone in the community treats it as a normal occurrence and ritualistic right of passage, it may never occur to the mother to protect her son as it's something she's always known. Or perhaps she is forced. I need to do more reading to delve deeper into this topic.

They are not equal situations. To compare them like they are the same shows ignorance.

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I know circumcision gets a lot of flack, but you CANNOT compare that to mutilation of female genitalia because it's done SO THE FEMALE CANNOT ENJOY SEX.

The consensus of circumcision and why it's done is far from that. There's more "good" intent involved than what happens when these young girls are forced to have their clitorises removed.

You can't really expect the privileged gender to fully understand. That ego loves to make them the bigger victim at times, even if it's absolutely off base.

I lived my whole life without ever getting a penis infection in my non-mutilated non-numb member thank you.
I see this debate is worthless, keep imposing your religious shit on your offsprings and I'll deal with mine

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Posted by The_eleventh_sign_11


The use of circumcision for medical or health reasons is an issue that continues to be debated. Currently, the American Academy of Pediatrics does not recommend routine circumcision for newborn males stating the evidence was not significant enough to prove the operation's benefit. The procedure may be recommended in older boys and men to treat phimosis (the inability to retract the foreskin) or to treat an infection of the penis.

first and foremost, not everything that pops up in google search the first thing is most updated and accurate information.

secondly considering that is true, if they have not found significant benefits, have they found any significant harm?

also what is better....let the boys grow up, develop infection and then treat through curcumcision when the pain is even worse since the skin is thick and will take longer time to heal OR prevent infections from happening in the first place by circumcising an infant whose skin that is tender and quickly heals up, he doesn't even remember what happened years later.

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Ok lets say that all the the information on google is false??_??_but we know there are no significant benefits because STI cases are inconclusive??_..but there are multiple cases of botched procedures I've heard of on TV and have even seen some and I saw some on google even though you can't believe everything you see on google, but what looks like to be is a botched circumcision??_??_.Why the fuck would you risk it—?_..How could you not see it as mutilation—_..its exactly what it is??_??_If you told an adult that they had to get a circumcision when they didn't need one they would tell you to go fuck yourself??_??_a lot of children don't NEED one??_..and I think both circumcisions, altering children's genitalia is wrong??_..the sooner ppl recognise it the better

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Posted by LilyTree
Female circumcision is a cultural practice. It is not part of Islam. Male circumcision, however, is both an Islamic and Jewish practice. It's important to differentiate between cultural decisions (like not allowing women to drive) and religious practices.

Accurately said!

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"like not allowing women to drive"

You know.... there are a LOT of women who shouldn't be allowed to drive.
And........ there are a LOT of men who shouldn't be allowed to drive, either.

Anyone who is accident prone in any way shape or form, like slamming doors on
someone's fingers and breaking things and cruisin' for a bruisin' .... shouldn't
be allowed to drive.

Why? It's not because of their gender, they just don't care enough about themselves
or anyone else to be responsible enough to pay attention to what they are doing.

Behind the wheel, the clutz on two feet is just as bad as the ditzy with a cell phone
and a drunk a keg short a drop, behind the wheel.

Same people shouldn't have children.

I am believing more and more that driving is an occupation that requires far more intelligent
people than 90% of those people on the road today.

Not everyone can be a doctor, neither should everyone be allowed to drive.

Female genital mutilation is wrong.
One reason those in the Islamic world do this is apparently because they are archaic and
don't understand the concept of the circumcision of the heart.

A lot of people don't.

Posted by LilyTree
I feel there is a disconnect here regarding the meaning of the word mutilation, or it is deliberately being misused with the intent to mislead. So here is the dictionary's definition to clear this up:

Mutilate
verb (used with object) [mu??ti??lat??ed, mu??ti??lat??ing.]
1. to injure, disfigure, or make imperfect by removing or irreparably damaging parts: Vandals mutilated the painting.
2. to deprive (a person or animal) of a limb or other essential part.

Now, does childhood male circumcision fit this definition of mutilation? A resounding 'no.' And misusing and manipulating the word to suit your purpose won't change that. Don't we get enough of that from mainstream media?

The above definition, however, describes female genital mutilation accurately. Let's get real.

Of course you are more than free to go uncircumcised and to let your sons go uncircumcised. No one is forcing you to do anything, Hydorah. Much like you're free to raise your children how you wish, so are others. And, yes, they are free to raise their child under a religious upbringing. It goes both ways.

Claiming that a circumcised penis is "numb" just reveals your level of ignorance yet again and makes you sound immature and irrational. You haven't contracted any infections or STIs? Good for you. What is your point? No one said you are 100% guaranteed to contract an infection if you go uncircumcised. This isn't a matter of "you are either foreskin or against skin." Live and let live.

Ahem - I like you lily tree but your pushing it??_??_Please DO NOT go there with me saying I'm misusing and manipulating a word to suit my purpose I am not the only person who believes this??_.I'm one of many circumcised guys who asked my parents if they had the right to do it to me and the truth is they don't!! no matter how many ways you want to look at it from your non masculinist stance to justify that its alright and that your kid does not get a say in whether parts of his junk should be lopped or not??_..To me my parents might as well have put a dog collar around my neck

Posted by LilyTree
I feel there is a disconnect here regarding the meaning of the word mutilation, or it is deliberately being misused with the intent to mislead. So here is the dictionary's definition to clear this up:

Mutilate
verb (used with object) [mu??ti??lat??ed, mu??ti??lat??ing.]
1. to injure, disfigure, or make imperfect by removing or irreparably damaging parts: Vandals mutilated the painting.
2. to deprive (a person or animal) of a limb or other essential part.

Now, does childhood male circumcision fit this definition of mutilation? A resounding 'no.' And misusing and manipulating the word to suit your purpose won't change that. Don't we get enough of that from mainstream media?

The above definition, however, describes female genital mutilation accurately. Let's get real.

Of course you are more than free to go uncircumcised and to let your sons go uncircumcised. No one is forcing you to do anything, Hydorah. Much like you're free to raise your children how you wish, so are others. And, yes, they are free to raise their child under a religious upbringing. It goes both ways.

Claiming that a circumcised penis is "numb" just reveals your level of ignorance yet again and makes you sound immature and irrational. You haven't contracted any infections or STIs? Good for you. What is your point? No one said you are 100% guaranteed to contract an infection if you go uncircumcised. This isn't a matter of "you are either foreskin or against skin." Live and let live.

replace "circumcision" with "cut off the entire tip of the penis" and then we can compare.

Also, keep in mind that the religious connotations behind circumcision are based from a time where infection and other issues were far more probable than they are now. So once upon a time, yes I'm sure it was necessary to do this because it was an issue at the time.

Kinda like how another religion doesn't eat pork- the risk of getting sick from not being able to eat properly cooked pork raised the risk of getting worms. It's why they consider it "unclean."

...hell, you can STILL get stuff like that from pork if it hasn't been properly cooked/handled. :/

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Posted by LilyTree
I feel there is a disconnect here regarding the meaning of the word mutilation, or it is deliberately being misused with the intent to mislead. So here is the dictionary's definition to clear this up:

Mutilate
verb (used with object) [mu??ti??lat??ed, mu??ti??lat??ing.]
1. to injure, disfigure, or make imperfect by removing or irreparably damaging parts: Vandals mutilated the painting.
2. to deprive (a person or animal) of a limb or other essential part.

Now, does childhood male circumcision fit this definition of mutilation? A resounding 'no.' And misusing and manipulating the word to suit your purpose won't change that. Don't we get enough of that from mainstream media?

The above definition, however, describes female genital mutilation accurately. Let's get real.

Of course you are more than free to go uncircumcised and to let your sons go uncircumcised. No one is forcing you to do anything, Hydorah. Much like you're free to raise your children how you wish, so are others. And, yes, they are free to raise their child under a religious upbringing. It goes both ways.

Claiming that a circumcised penis is "numb" just reveals your level of ignorance yet again and makes you sound immature and irrational. You haven't contracted any infections or STIs? Good for you. What is your point? No one said you are 100% guaranteed to contract an infection if you go uncircumcised. This isn't a matter of "you are either foreskin or against skin." Live and let live.

Ahem - I like you lily tree but your pushing it??_??_Please DO NOT go there with me saying I'm misusing and manipulating a word to suit my purpose I am not the only person who believes this??_.I'm one of many circumcised guys who asked my parents if they had the right to do it to me and the truth is they don't!! no matter how many ways you want to look at it from your non masculinist stance to justify that its alright and that your kid does not get a say in whether parts of his junk should be lopped or not??_..To me my parents might as well have put a dog collar around my neck

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Your parents absolutely had the right to choose circumcision for you. They also had the right to abort you. Lucky for you, that didn't happen.

There is no way any son of mine is having any natural parts of his body cut off...unless he grows up to want them cut off. End of story.


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Posted by SanchoElMejor
I've heard and read way more horror stories about uncircumcised guys...because I've actually looked into this, yes. A major complaint from uncircumcised guys who wished they were circumcised is that when they're inside a women, they feel like their foreskin is just masturbating their dick and not the actual woman... Uncut men, discuss.

This came to mind with the whole anti circumcision debate going on here.

I, too, had heard of some horror stories where guys just happened to be the group who would need it. The claims of it being necessary aren't too far off base, as there are guys who ended up being more prone to the issues that are prevented with circumcision. Some really do need it, as where others, who never had it done, never came across those issues. Everyone is different. There really is no one size fits all scenario when it comes to circumcision.

I think that's what makes it such a tricky decision for parents- do it now while it's less painful and prevent any possible problems down the road, or leave it, hoping for the best. ...And if he chooses to do so later, when it's more painful, so be it. You can't fault parents for wanting to attempt the least problematic route.

Posted by rockyroadicecream
Also, keep in mind that the religious connotations behind circumcision are based from a time where infection and other issues were far more probable than they are now. So once upon a time, yes I'm sure it was necessary to do this because it was an issue at the time.

Kinda like how another religion doesn't eat pork- the risk of getting sick from not being able to eat properly cooked pork raised the risk of getting worms. It's why they consider it "unclean."

...hell, you can STILL get stuff like that from pork if it hasn't been properly cooked/handled. :/

It's considered unclean because pigs eat their own poop that's why some religions don't eat pork

Posted by SanchoElMejor
I've heard and read way more horror stories about uncircumcised guys...because I've actually looked into this, yes. A major complaint from uncircumcised guys who wished they were circumcised is that when they're inside a women, they feel like their foreskin is just masturbating their dick and not the actual woman... Uncut men, discuss.

sounds interesting......

Posted by LilyTree
I feel there is a disconnect here regarding the meaning of the word mutilation, or it is deliberately being misused with the intent to mislead. So here is the dictionary's definition to clear this up:

Mutilate
verb (used with object) [mu??ti??lat??ed, mu??ti??lat??ing.]
1. to injure, disfigure, or make imperfect by removing or irreparably damaging parts: Vandals mutilated the painting.
2. to deprive (a person or animal) of a limb or other essential part.

Now, does childhood male circumcision fit this definition of mutilation? A resounding 'no.' And misusing and manipulating the word to suit your purpose won't change that. Don't we get enough of that from mainstream media?

The above definition, however, describes female genital mutilation accurately. Let's get real.

Of course you are more than free to go uncircumcised and to let your sons go uncircumcised. No one is forcing you to do anything, Hydorah. Much like you're free to raise your children how you wish, so are others. And, yes, they are free to raise their child under a religious upbringing. It goes both ways.

Claiming that a circumcised penis is "numb" just reveals your level of ignorance yet again and makes you sound immature and irrational. You haven't contracted any infections or STIs? Good for you. What is your point? No one said you are 100% guaranteed to contract an infection if you go uncircumcised. This isn't a matter of "you are either foreskin or against skin." Live and let live.

okay...Lets use another word then

Alter
change or cause to change in character or composition, typically in a comparatively small but significant way.

synonyms: change, make changes to, make different, make alterations to, adjust, make adjustments to, adapt, amend, modify, revise, revamp, rework, redo, refine, vary, transform;
change, become different, undergo a change, undergo a sea change, adjust, adapt, transform, evolve
"the state of affairs has altered"

Who gave anyone the right to rework,revise,make different,transform,change,ADJUST the way man and woman were created to be?

Yes there may be good and bad benefits for doing this...however the point is that...just like the picture that was mutilated(deprived) from its original form the vagina/penis was altered from its original form as well.

Use Mutilation in a Sentence:

The little boy was deprived (mutilated)o

The little boy was deprived (mutilated)of healthy functional tissue when his foreskin was cut off as a young infant.

Posted by aquariuslove14
The little boy was deprived (mutilated)of healthy functional tissue when his foreskin was cut off as a young infant.

YOU HAVE ENTIRELY MISSED THE POINT.

Go back to "lol"ing at stupid shit. This conversation seems to be beyond your comprehension. *facepalm*

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Posted by aquariuslove14
The little boy was deprived (mutilated)of healthy functional tissue when his foreskin was cut off as a young infant.

YOU HAVE ENTIRELY MISSED THE POINT.

Go back to "lol"ing at stupid shit. This conversation seems to be beyond your comprehension. *facepalm*

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GO CIRCUMCISE YOURSELF!!!