Posted by K_1018‚‚ girl someone sent me a text and said sense instead of since...i feel im thinking too much. Because language is just a form of communication created by man. How did we write in 1300s etc idk. Then in some cultures their wording and words is slightly different from ours but we can still comprehend them. I guess what is language for why was it created why is hole and whole wrong becauee based on the creation for the word in the dictionary one means put together as one and the other means something u go into lol idk
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I'm kidding lovely77 🙂 🙂
It's not too big of a deal. I do feel like if you finished grade school, you should know the difference between "hole" and "whole".
Posted by tizianiSee this is why i Fs with u. Its deeper to me than whats written. What would we do if none of these things were ever written in a dictionary or on paper etc. We used symbols gestures etc. Even in some cultures certain words mean different things.
I think it's all they have left to feel superior really. Anyone can hide behind words on a screen.
The written word is only something like 2 to 3 thousand years old in language, whereas we've been talking, gesturing and building language for millions of years before we ever started writing things down. When you see people correcting you over the correct spelling of a word that only entered the dictionary ten years ago, you know immediately you cannot be seen with them in public.
Posted by tizianiYes exactly that last part...fyi ive studied linguistics and how it relates to cyber security....but back to your last part how you write even through text some feel this is your identity....this is where i would be curious to know why does someone not writing properly on social media or text bothers people? It seems kind of anal or they like control and are one sided. Ppl may spell or write poorly but they are living a happy rich succesful life. What does me correcting them have to do with them...lol life is good why are you upset with how one writes.Posted by lovely77I totally agree. I really like linguistics up until a point. I read a lot about it in the last year. Even those who invented the written word warned that it had it's drawbacks, and you see a lot of that today where we put too much value into it.Posted by tizianiSee this is why i Fs with u. Its deeper to me than whats written. What would we do if none of these things were ever written in a dictionary or on paper etc. We used symbols gestures etc. Even in some cultures certain words mean different things.
I think it's all they have left to feel superior really. Anyone can hide behind words on a screen.
The written word is only something like 2 to 3 thousand years old in language, whereas we've been talking, gesturing and building language for millions of years before we ever started writing things down. When you see people correcting you over the correct spelling of a word that only entered the dictionary ten years ago, you know immediately you cannot be seen with them in public.
I remember one guy ranted to me on here - a couple of years ago now, haven't seen him around - about how our generation didn't respect themselves enough in text messages to write "properly" and that a text message was your identity, your way to put forward your best impression.
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Posted by RyokoYes lol
Some people like to point out small mistakes like grammar in order to show their 'superior' intelligence because they can't come up with a better insult.
Posted by exxtasyxIm far from trying to do that. I dont have time at work to be proper.
LOL @ EVERYONE TRYING TO SOUND INTELLIGENT AND HAVE FLAWLESS GRAMMAR IN THIS THREAD.
*giggles*
Posted by seraphI agree with what your saying. Does this mean that due to us having to write and speak properly based on the English what do you in other cultures or countries who can care less about the english language and proper commas and periods being placed? I feel what you wrote is great for our society but what about understanding the world globally? This is why some wars are started because one country didnt understand the next. If im mistaking i could be wrong on this but was the war with the U.S.and Japan started by a misunderstanding of words? What something means in our language is different for someone else in another country right? Thinking outside of the boxPosted by lovely77It isn't about being "successful" or making money. It's about whether you do justice to what you've undertaken – that is, if you're going to do something, do it right.
I feel I think too deeply on things. Like why do people judge ppl because of their grammar or language barrier? Ive seen some top executives and business ppl make alot of money without properly knowing the English language of writing styles. Does knowing english make you successful? Why would things like this bother ppl especially on social media. I know at times i type fast and sont have time to catch every single spelling, grammar or wording.
If (for the sake of this discussion) you applied the same indifference you have to grammar to, say, someone counting your money, you'd find it unacceptable. Yet written communication is something we rely on every day to convey our thoughts and feelings; from our highest ideas to the most simple of requests. In terms of your own (implied) way of evaluating worth, we also use it to get things, whether it's a promotion, or tangible object, or services, all based on our clear and precise instructions. In other respects, it's one of the prominent ways by which we get someone's understanding, and more broadly, it's how we express what we're inspired to say; rules of language apply to the written and spoken word. One misplaced word or punctuation mark, for instance, can change the entire meaning of a sentence, and consequently how you're understood.
You don't need to be perfect in this regard. After all, beauty is not held within perfection. But why be so cavalier about it? Since your writing comes from you, and is one of the more prominent faces you show the world, you have no reason not to do yourself justice.
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Posted by tizianiVery good. I have two classes left. It taught me alot about resolving cases involved out of the country. Paying attention to signs, language, body gestures etc and learning different codes people may use in other 3r countries and cultures. What we do may mean something different inPosted by lovely77Too much time on their hands, probably. Or they don't have much experience of social skills in person.Posted by tizianiYes exactly that last part...fyi ive studied linguistics and how it relates to cyber security....but back to your last part how you write even through text some feel this is your identity....this is where i would be curious to know why does someone not writing properly on social media or text bothers people? It seems kind of anal or they like control and are one sided. Ppl may spell or write poorly but they are living a happy rich succesful life. What does me correcting them have to do with them...lol life is good why are you upset with how one writes.Posted by lovely77I totally agree. I really like linguistics up until a point. I read a lot about it in the last year. Even those who invented the written word warned that it had it's drawbacks, and you see a lot of that today where we put too much value into it.Posted by tizianiSee this is why i Fs with u. Its deeper to me than whats written. What would we do if none of these things were ever written in a dictionary or on paper etc. We used symbols gestures etc. Even in some cultures certain words mean different things.
I think it's all they have left to feel superior really. Anyone can hide behind words on a screen.
The written word is only something like 2 to 3 thousand years old in language, whereas we've been talking, gesturing and building language for millions of years before we ever started writing things down. When you see people correcting you over the correct spelling of a word that only entered the dictionary ten years ago, you know immediately you cannot be seen with them in public.
I remember one guy ranted to me on here - a couple of years ago now, haven't seen him around - about how our generation didn't respect themselves enough in text messages to write "properly" and that a text message was your identity, your way to put forward your best impression.
It's just text messaging. I just thought man, grow up.
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Posted by Quantum^^^This.
@seraph is absolutely right.
If you're going to do something - do it right.
Or at least TRY to do it right.
Mistakes are one thing but half-assing it is a whole other thing.
Posted by tizianiI guess it depends on what kind of identity you're aiming for. Donald Trump doesn't much care for proper English and prefers to cap his language skills at a 5th grade level and he's pretty damn rich.Posted by seraphThat's exactly why grammar doesn't matter as much as money, in terms of identity.
If (for the sake of this discussion) you applied the same indifference you have to grammar to, say, someone counting your money, you'd find it unacceptable. Yet written communication is something we rely on every day to convey our thoughts and feelings; from our highest ideas to the most simple of requests. In terms of your own (implied) way of evaluating worth, we also use it to get things, whether it's a promotion, or tangible object, or services, all based on our clear and precise instructions. In other respects, it's one of the prominent ways by which we get someone's understanding, and more broadly, it's how we express what we're inspired to say; rules of language apply to the written and spoken word. One misplaced word or punctuation mark, for instance, can change the entire meaning of a sentence, and consequently how you're understood.
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Posted by QuantumTurning it completely off seems kind of dumb, but I don't think it's weird to put more time into a business letter than you would a random message on social media.
I guess I just don't understand why social media is any different than other forms of communication. I'm drafting pleadings and sending emails and writing reports all day, and I need to use proper grammar and spelling to not only get my point across properly, but to also avoid making the firm look foolish. Why "turn it off" for social media? It's the same language. What makes social media any different?
It's like saying "Oh, well I wipe my ass properly during the week so I don't smell like shit in front of my co-workers, but since they aren't around on the weekend, I'm just going with a half-hearted swipe".
Posted by tizianiThat's not even close to being true.Posted by Quantum?
I guess I just don't understand why social media is any different than other forms of communication. I'm drafting pleadings and sending emails and writing reports all day, and I need to use proper grammar and spelling to not only get my point across properly, but to also avoid making the firm look foolish. Why "turn it off" for social media? It's the same language. What makes social media any different?
It's like saying "Oh, well I wipe my ass properly during the week so I don't smell like shit in front of my co-workers, but since they aren't around on the weekend, I'm just going with a half-hearted swipe".
How is that the same?
When you work and you need someone to actually take your word as credible before sealing a deal, do you just do it all in writing without ever having met each other? It's probably near 100 percent certain you're going to have to meet each other in person and win each other's trust before anyone signs or reads anything in writing.click to expand
Posted by tizianiGrammar =/= spelling
In ten years you'll have grammar nazis from the next generation arguing: "That's not how you spell bae!" once it goes in the dictionary.
Posted by tizianiWell it also works that way in Federal court.Posted by QuantumOh, corporate types. Yeah exactly the kind of people you don't want to be out in public with - but fair enough if that's how it works at your office.Posted by tizianiThat's not even close to being true.Posted by Quantum?
I guess I just don't understand why social media is any different than other forms of communication. I'm drafting pleadings and sending emails and writing reports all day, and I need to use proper grammar and spelling to not only get my point across properly, but to also avoid making the firm look foolish. Why "turn it off" for social media? It's the same language. What makes social media any different?
It's like saying "Oh, well I wipe my ass properly during the week so I don't smell like shit in front of my co-workers, but since they aren't around on the weekend, I'm just going with a half-hearted swipe".
How is that the same?
When you work and you need someone to actually take your word as credible before sealing a deal, do you just do it all in writing without ever having met each other? It's probably near 100 percent certain you're going to have to meet each other in person and win each other's trust before anyone signs or reads anything in writing.
We almost never meets corporate clients face to face. Also, at least 90 of pleadings filed with the court never require even a single hearing.click to expand
Posted by tizianiWouldn't it be a spelling Nazi? Or are we changing definitions of words now?Posted by QuantumI never said it was. These are the exact kind of arguments grammar nazis like to get involved with over the internet and you know it.Posted by tizianiGrammar =/= spelling
In ten years you'll have grammar nazis from the next generation arguing: "That's not how you spell bae!" once it goes in the dictionary.
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Posted by tizianiWhat does that have to do with my original question of "why does proper spelling and grammar matter less in social media than it does in a professional context"?Posted by QuantumI said grammar doesn't matter as much as money when it comes to identity, and dealing with someone in person is key to winning trust over writing to them. That is a long way away from saying that "grammar and spelling isn't important".Posted by tizianiWell it also works that way in Federal court.Posted by QuantumOh, corporate types. Yeah exactly the kind of people you don't want to be out in public with - but fair enough if that's how it works at your office.Posted by tizianiThat's not even close to being true.Posted by Quantum?
I guess I just don't understand why social media is any different than other forms of communication. I'm drafting pleadings and sending emails and writing reports all day, and I need to use proper grammar and spelling to not only get my point across properly, but to also avoid making the firm look foolish. Why "turn it off" for social media? It's the same language. What makes social media any different?
It's like saying "Oh, well I wipe my ass properly during the week so I don't smell like shit in front of my co-workers, but since they aren't around on the weekend, I'm just going with a half-hearted swipe".
How is that the same?
When you work and you need someone to actually take your word as credible before sealing a deal, do you just do it all in writing without ever having met each other? It's probably near 100 percent certain you're going to have to meet each other in person and win each other's trust before anyone signs or reads anything in writing.
We almost never meets corporate clients face to face. Also, at least 90 of pleadings filed with the court never require even a single hearing.
A judge won't necessarily share your views that grammar and spelling isn't important when he's reviewing your motion and he can't figure out precisely what you're trying to convey.click to expand
Posted by seraphWhat does your name mPosted by lovely77When we're focused on our task at hand it isn't for us to worry about what the other person is doing or whether they care about our writing. This is something that is as much for yourself as it is for the other person. When you plant a garden you're planting your garden. It doesn't matter in what condition the gardens down the street are. This one right here is yours. So make it something worthy of you.
Does this mean that due to us having to write and speak properly based on the English what do you in other cultures or countries who can care less about the english language and proper commas and periods being placed?
If you're wondering about what non-native speakers are to do when there's a level of expectation they might feel about all this, then they too have a choice to make about the degree to which they learn the language and its rules. They can't not benefit from doing their due diligence in this area as best they can. There are some non-native speakers, for instance, whose writing is clearer and more practiced than that of their native counterparts. It's nice to see and it says something about their level of care in at least this area (and probably others, too.) It's never a bad thing. Again, like @Quantum said, there's a difference between writing to the best of your own ability and just half-assing it. It isn't hard to tell the difference.
Posted by lovely77Everyone's responsible for themselves. Other cultures are responsible for their own diligence when it comes to their own language. It's no concern of mine. In the here and now, however, I'm writing to you in our chosen language, and I care to be as clear as possible. It's just a question of care and effort.
I feel what you wrote is great for our society but what about understanding the world globally? This is why some wars are started because one country didnt understand the next.
As for wars over misunderstandings about language, the folks who are responsible for reading and interpreting international treaties and other paperwork all speak and write in the same language. It's important for them to be as clear as possible using this common language (mostly english.) English, for example, remains the dominant language of international business and global communication.
Posted by lovely77Agreed.
What something means in our language is different for someone else in another country right?
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Posted by xXxAliciaXxXŽ‡
I dont get it either.
Its just a way for peeple to descrimenate agenst other peeple.
Posted by tizianiExactly omg i just said this to someone. We can write anyway we want. Even if it's perfect. How you receive it is up to you to comprehend.Posted by QuantumIt does yes. But most of all it depends on the other person's understanding of the message. Which rules of grammar cannot control.Posted by tizianiI guess it depends on what kind of identity you're aiming for. Donald Trump doesn't much care for proper English and prefers to cap his language skills at a 5th grade level and he's pretty damn rich.Posted by seraphThat's exactly why grammar doesn't matter as much as money, in terms of identity.
If (for the sake of this discussion) you applied the same indifference you have to grammar to, say, someone counting your money, you'd find it unacceptable. Yet written communication is something we rely on every day to convey our thoughts and feelings; from our highest ideas to the most simple of requests. In terms of your own (implied) way of evaluating worth, we also use it to get things, whether it's a promotion, or tangible object, or services, all based on our clear and precise instructions. In other respects, it's one of the prominent ways by which we get someone's understanding, and more broadly, it's how we express what we're inspired to say; rules of language apply to the written and spoken word. One misplaced word or punctuation mark, for instance, can change the entire meaning of a sentence, and consequently how you're understood.
Then again, he's also Donald Trump.
There's no way I can write something and have control over how you will receive it, whether I spell it in a way that's commonly accepted or not. And it's the same for Trump.click to expand
Posted by QuantumThis is true. I had to write a paper on presenting evidence to a judge in cyber security terminology. There is a barrier between judges, lawyers, and computer tech.Posted by tizianiWell it also works that way in Federal court.Posted by QuantumOh, corporate types. Yeah exactly the kind of people you don't want to be out in public with - but fair enough if that's how it works at your office.Posted by tizianiThat's not even close to being true.Posted by Quantum?
I guess I just don't understand why social media is any different than other forms of communication. I'm drafting pleadings and sending emails and writing reports all day, and I need to use proper grammar and spelling to not only get my point across properly, but to also avoid making the firm look foolish. Why "turn it off" for social media? It's the same language. What makes social media any different?
It's like saying "Oh, well I wipe my ass properly during the week so I don't smell like shit in front of my co-workers, but since they aren't around on the weekend, I'm just going with a half-hearted swipe".
How is that the same?
When you work and you need someone to actually take your word as credible before sealing a deal, do you just do it all in writing without ever having met each other? It's probably near 100 percent certain you're going to have to meet each other in person and win each other's trust before anyone signs or reads anything in writing.
We almost never meets corporate clients face to face. Also, at least 90 of pleadings filed with the court never require even a single hearing.
A judge won't necessarily share your views that grammar and spelling isn't important when he's reviewing your motion and he can't figure out precisely what you're trying to convey.click to expand
Posted by seraphLike the seraphim angels etc? I understand
@lovely77
You got cut off there (dxp character limit.)
I assume you were asking about my username. It's biblical (though not through any special intention on my part.)
Posted by everlynn...butPosted by AlphaOh so I suppose you both are the same?Posted by everlynnSorry to disappoint you but I know her better than you do. You can include me in your hate list from now onwards. I don't mind. Take good care. End of story.Posted by AlphaOh she's the biggest discriminator on the face of gods green earth.Posted by xXxAliciaXxXI checked all the 5 pages of this thread and you made only 1 comment. Oh man! Discriminating? Jut woah!! I'm glad you fixed it.Posted by fatboy CarlosFixed it.
Umm look Alicia...
I'm following you around.
Its just not on this thread. She's discriminated on my grammar numerous times. Trust me on that.
Don't let her innocent look fool you.
Since you claim you know her like yall've met before which I don't want to believe.
And Alicia is not a good person. Trust me she's not.
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Posted by lovely77I saw what you did there 😄
I feel I think too deeply on things. Like why do people judge ppl because of their grammar or language barrier? Ive seen some top executives and business ppl make alot of money without properly knowing the English language of writing styles. Does knowing english make you successful? Why would things like this bother ppl especially on social media. I know at times i type fast and sont have time to catch every single spelling, grammar or wording.
Posted by xXxAliciaXxXThe airman I know mentioned way back when he doesn't like Aries at all. He likes Taurus but not Aries he likes the split side of you haha.Posted by fatboy CarlosFixed it.
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