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Hmmn, interesting, do you remember the names or any other info about these scientists? I'd like to go dig up those news clips.

Additionally, have you come across anything that points towards any of their own personal sites? I would also love to read those things, but of course knowing who I am looking for first would be helpful.

Krys, I have also searched HIGH and LOW for the 900 page report (and I am no dummy when it comes to internet searches) and I cannot find anything! Do you happen to know where it is published?

You can watch the show conspiracy theory with Jessie ventura, he has an episode on the haarp experiment.

Dr. Fran De Aquino (physicist)
Dr. Paul Kossey (HAARP director)
Dr. Michel Chossudovsky

To my knowledge, these were the only 3 scientists mentioned in the HAARP document that was released by the government. They gave testimony as scientists to the capabilities of the project w/o realizing that outside scientists were going to have some serious issues/concerns.

I'm sure there are dozens more, but their names are being protected.

For those who are following along, here's another military release I found discussing the radar capabilities of HAARP into space.

Sweet!

http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a514972.pdf ">High Frequency Radar Astronomy With HAARP

And for the cheap seats, the full link: http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a514972.pdf

@Gems: You can find it on the link I provided in the very beginning or on any legit website that gives the public access to declassified documents. I had to do a lot of digging too, that's why it took me so long to post the link.

Posted by VirgoChyld
You can watch the show conspiracy theory with Jessie ventura, he has an episode on the haarp experiment.

Actually.... I plan to later! I love, like fucking LOVE, watching some of those who I shall not name and then using their sources and working backwards to get to the meat of what they have based their presentation on.

I'm the jerk that will watch stuff like that and make everyone pause and rewind so I can write down tidbits I plan to google later. 🙂

Posted by krysrenee7
Dr. Fran De Aquino (physicist)
Dr. Paul Kossey (HAARP director)
Dr. Michel Chossudovsky

To my knowledge, these were the only 3 scientists mentioned in the HAARP document that was released by the government. They gave testimony as scientists to the capabilities of the project w/o realizing that outside scientists were going to have some serious issues/concerns.

I'm sure there are dozens more, but their names are being protected.

Are these names of people who can be accredited with saying that they believe HAARP may be responsible for the strange events, for instance the birds?

Also, if the 900 page document is out there.... it shouldn't be this hard to find. I am having a lot of trouble. I realize you posted some links, but your links were to the home page of NASA and the CIA, not even anything specific.... that would be like me handing you the Bible and telling you to find a certain verse (and no, you can't use a concordance).

If you have found and reviewed this 900 page document, could you at least throw a dog a bone and give me the link? Clearer directions on where to find it?

Posted by krysrenee7
Have you guys heard of this secret government operation called HAARP that allows the government to supposedly control the weather?! They're saying it's most likely responsible for all those weird trumpet-sounding noises being heard all over the world.

If not look it up on Google and/or Youtube & let me know what you think?!

I find it extremely interesting & very creepy! THE U.S. GOVERNMENT IS 1 BIG SNAKE!

I've heard of it. Watched a documentary about it.

And give everyone a puppy?

HitchHiker, your post sounds like the beginning of a Miss America pageant speech. 🙂

I read an article once about how projects similar to HAARP were created to influence mind control during the Vietnam war! Supposedly, similar technology has been around for a long time & that 1 of the ways they used the technology was to send low frequency waves to a targeted area to basically fry the brains of their targets O_o

Based on all the capabilities they admit HAARP has, I agree that the disadvantages FARRRRRRRR outweigh the advantages. This HAARP thing is like a huge destructive nuclear toy that can cause catastrophic consequences if put in the wrong hands! And the government will always be considered "the wrong hands" to me lol

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What can you do with controlling the weather? Give some examples.

From what I've read they can force the stratosphere/ionosphere into creating unstable low pressure systems that create weather events.

What they can do or intend to do with it is beyond even their own judgments imo.

Starve a population? Create thunderstorms when in battle? Create Typhoons and such to destroy cities?

The future looks sick. Like HIV sick.

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Yes, this exactly.... who needs nuclear bombs when you can wipe out a population and make it look like "natural causes".... basically, what's being implied is that the US has black widow syndrome. 🙂

Posted by krysrenee7
allows the government to supposedly control the weather?!

I honestly feel the "No child left behind" policy has turned to "No idiot left behind"

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Posted by krysrenee7
allows the government to supposedly control the weather?!

I honestly feel the "No child left behind" policy has turned to "No idiot left behind"

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Hmmn, I am not really sure if that was meant to be snarky or not.... either way, it doesn't really fit with our conversation. Thanks for stopping in though.

So, anyway, Sagittarius2315, was the documentary you saw the Jesse Ventura one or the Holes in Heaven one? Do you remember? What was your overall take away from it?

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Posted by VirgoChyld
Wow this thread went bad real fast

Of course it did. True intentions behind someone coming to a thread are revealed right after they get the info they wanted. The 2 main culprits here who demanded these links have brought nothing constructive or really ANYTHING to say regarding this topic....

Posted by krysrenee7
Exactly. It's public information. In the time it could have taken me to post the links, they could've already found it for themselves lol They're trying to blame THEIR laziness on me & I know so b/c they were still complaining & throwing jabs even AFTER I gave them what they asked for

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Bullshit.

You posted links to government search engines.

There was exactly ZERO info provided on HAARP.


And here's the skinny:

This *is* something I've researched, and your willingness to believe something simply because it is in print, or has been labeled "alternative" is foolish.


Here's the so-called "proof" that all these alt sites are yammering about:


"Yep, here's The Smoking Gun:

William Cohen, US Secretary of Defense

In a 1997 —DoD News Briefing: Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen?? warned of —the use of electromagnetic waves?? to —set off earthquakes??"

Link


The actual quote:

Q: Let me ask you specifically about last week's scare here in Washington, and what we might have learned from how prepared we are to deal with that (inaudible), at B'nai Brith.

A: Well, it points out the nature of the threat. It turned out to be a false threat under the circumstances. But as we've learned in the intelligence community, we had something called... phantom moles.

The mere fear that there is a mole within an agency can set off a chain reaction and a hunt for that particular mole which can paralyze the agency for weeks and months and years even, in a search.

The same thing is true about just the false scare of a threat of using some kind of a chemical weapon or a biological one....


-cont.

-cont.-

There are some reports, for example, that some countries have been trying to construct something like an Ebola Virus, and that would be a very dangerous phenomenon, to say the least.

Alvin Toeffler has written about this in terms of some scientists in their laboratories trying to devise certain types of pathogens that would be ethnic specific so that they could just eliminate certain ethnic groups and races; and others are designing some sort of engineering, some sort of insects that can destroy specific crops.

Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves. "


Author, Alvin Toeffler is a futurist, and writes extensively on the subject.

Toeffler

DoD Transcript


Also-- many of these conspiracy sites have an agenda of their own, that has little to do with keeping the people informed.

It's always a good idea to check *their* sources.

Does that mean there's no such thing as HAARP?

No-- but it isn't proof of your claim, either, which you stated as fact.

And this:

Posted by krysrenee7
... They're trying to blame THEIR laziness on me & I know so b/c they were still complaining & throwing jabs even AFTER I gave them what they asked for

-- is childish.

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Posted by krysrenee7
allows the government to supposedly control the weather?!

I honestly feel the "No child left behind" policy has turned to "No idiot left behind"

Hmmn, I am not really sure if that was meant to be snarky or not.... either way, it doesn't really fit with our conversation. Thanks for stopping in though.

So, anyway, Sagittarius2315, was the documentary you saw the Jesse Ventura one or the Holes in Heaven one? Do you remember? What was your overall take away from it?

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I don't remember, but they were explaining when ever there was major storm that could basically wipe out electronics, cause massive flooding, the would redirect the storms making less catastrophic.

My take is; if it's true, then what if we (the government) causing a ripple affect. Almost like if you were going back in time and your presences alone was to cause things to change.

So what of we are redirecting ; but this causes something greater to happen and then this technology fails, then what? We will be wiped out from the face of the earth: meddling with something like that is no joke, soon enough Mother Earth is going to find an outlet and that's going to cause greater harm, probably even speeding up earths demise.

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Posted by krysrenee7
allows the government to supposedly control the weather?!

I honestly feel the "No child left behind" policy has turned to "No idiot left behind"

Hmmn, I am not really sure if that was meant to be snarky or not.... either way, it doesn't really fit with our conversation. Thanks for stopping in though.

So, anyway, Sagittarius2315, was the documentary you saw the Jesse Ventura one or the Holes in Heaven one? Do you remember? What was your overall take away from it?

I don't remember, but they were explaining when ever there was major storm that could basically wipe out electronics, cause massive flooding, the would redirect the storms making less catastrophic.

My take is; if it's true, then what if we (the government) causing a ripple affect. Almost like if you were going back in time and your presences alone was to cause things to change.

So what of we are redirecting ; but this causes something greater to happen and then this technology fails, then what? We will be wiped out from the face of the earth: meddling with something like that is no joke, soon enough Mother Earth is going to find an outlet and that's going to cause greater harm, probably even speeding up earths demise.

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I LOVE THIS ONE!!!!!!!!! THE BUTTERFLY EFFECT!!!!

Wiki - Butterfly Effect

@Sagg: That's the scary part. They're just "testing" this project. There's no way we can know the final effects until the final effects happen.

So my question is your question lol THEN WHAT?!

To be honest; the government has a lot of top secret stuff they have and are working on but will not speak on cause lets be honest it will cause chaos.....NASA knows a lot as well, and keeps much under raps for the same reason.

But controlling the weather, it will eventually bite earth in the ass.

There is just so harm much harm that could be done. And the fact that our sneaky azz back-stabbing government is the 1 with their hands on it, doesn't settle with me. This is probably 1 of the only things that I can say, "Ok, I get why conspiracy theorists are riding this story like a di**ck!" Hehe

How could you find out about the HAARP project & all it's capabilities & it NOT bother you or at least make you wonder!

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But controlling the weather, it will eventually bite earth in the ass.

That's what they're saying is already happening!!!

Their "atmosphere testing" is accused of being the cause behind the rapid increase in global warming & other dramatic events that have happened. That is why some scientists keep saying, MAN-made global warming & then wink as if we're supposed to get the hint that HAARP has a lot to do with it lol

Montgomery, I came across that DoD article when I was searching for the 900 page report that Krys is referencing, but other than a sideways statement it says NOTHING about HAARP which is why I didn't include it here.

Is it your understanding that conspiracy theorists are using that quote from 1997 out of context to spin the entire HAARP conspiracy?

The biggest accusation I've heard of us HAARP being the cause behind that huge earthquake & tsunami in 2011.

It would seem far-fetched to anyone who hasn't studied the HAARP project, but now knowing all that I know, I wouldn't have put it past them

And again, Alaska is just 1 of the sites where this technology exists. Puerto Rico & Russia also have them too. And that's just all that we know of that they're willing to tell us!

I remember seeing the newscast about all those poor dolphins & whales mysteriously washing up on shore. That was so sad!

Posted by krysrenee7

Posted by Sagittarius2315


But controlling the weather, it will eventually bite earth in the ass.

That's what they're saying is already happening!!!

Their "atmosphere testing" is accused of being the cause behind the rapid increase in global warming & other dramatic events that have happened. That is why some scientists keep saying, MAN-made global warming & then wink as if we're supposed to get the hint that HAARP has a lot to do with it lol

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I also heard of "Stealth Lazers" that also do this; when to storms are in the most of colliding. I have to find where I read this; or where I saw it I think I DVR it.

I'm not BS'ing either. There's a man I know that works in the armory and he worked for NASA nd he said he can't go in to details, but there are things that we have no idea that the government does as far as testing and development behind closed doors.

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But controlling the weather, it will eventually bite earth in the ass.

That's what they're saying is already happening!!!

Their "atmosphere testing" is accused of being the cause behind the rapid increase in global warming & other dramatic events that have happened. That is why some scientists keep saying, MAN-made global warming & then wink as if we're supposed to get the hint that HAARP has a lot to do with it lol

I also heard of "Stealth Lazers" that also do this; when to storms are in the most of colliding. I have to find where I read this; or where I saw it I think I DVR it.

I'm not BS'ing either. There's a man I know that works in the armory and he worked for NASA nd he said he can't go in to details, but there are things that we have no idea that the government does as far as testing and development behind closed doors.

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WTF!!! It seems that this kind of technology has been around for a long time, but that HAARP is just the new more sophisticated version of it, which is even more scary lol

They're using EARTH as a placebo wtf!!!!!!!!! Don't test the whole F'ing planet fools! WE LIVE HERE, ya know! lol

There's way too much to lose (literally) if it backfires. Not only can the U.S. use this big destructive toy/instrument to cause harm to other countries for political purposes, but it can also be used against it's own citizens, which just even further taps into other conspiracy theories about the New World Order & all that other crazy stuff O_O

HAARP & its capabilities are brilliant though! BRILLIANT! We can't stop or control politicians from keeping their peens in their pants but yet we can control the weather?! Interesting

An entire continent could turn into a frying pan with just 1 mistake going horribly wrong with HAARP. They are penetrating the atmosphere & ionosphere. They are playing with fire. Literally. And if these scientists who are working on the inside know for a fact that their own project is to blame for what's been going on, then shame on them for continuing & for defending it!

Posted by GemsRaGalsBestPal
My friends and I used to have dinner parties where we would watch conspiracy documentaries and then chat about it over food. Then we'd divide up all of the sources (or go in search of our own) and get back together a few weeks later to discuss what we'd learned.

I really enjoyed those nights! Makes me want to plan another!

I would sooooooo be in on this. Don't forget my invite!

Posted by GemsRaGalsBestPal
Montgomery, I came across that DoD article when I was searching for the 900 page report that Krys is referencing, but other than a sideways statement it says NOTHING about HAARP which is why I didn't include it here.

Exactly. 😉

Posted by GemsRaGalsBestPal
Is it your understanding that conspiracy theorists are using that quote from 1997 out of context to spin the entire HAARP conspiracy?

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The *entire* HAARP theory?

I don't know-- but it sure does look good, until you actually check it out.

And that's important.

Speaking generally-- if you believe that the government is capable of all manner of heinous, yet covert, actions (and I do)-- then it only makes sense to believe that some aspects of "conspiracy" could be controlled as well.

Much of it serves as propaganda for extreme religious or political groups (it's the Jews!/Christians!/Muslims!)-- and I think a lot of could easily be serving as a distraction from what is really taking place in Washington.

That isn't to say that I discount *all* conspiracy-- on the contrary, I think there is A LOT we don't know about.

BUT

I'm always leery of people who can't be bothered to cite their source-- usually means their hiding something.

🙂

The HAARP project is using the earth as its placebo. It is interfering with the natural flow of the very thing that protects us (the atmosphere & ionosphere). I'm not sure if it's even possible for the benefits to outweigh the disadvantages

Posted by krysrenee7
The HAARP project is using the earth as its placebo. It is interfering with the natural flow of the very thing that protects us (the atmosphere & ionosphere). I'm not sure if it's even possible for the benefits to outweigh the disadvantages

That makes no sense.

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Posted by krysrenee7
The HAARP project is using the earth as its placebo. It is interfering with the natural flow of the very thing that protects us (the atmosphere & ionosphere). I'm not sure if it's even possible for the benefits to outweigh the disadvantages

That makes no sense.

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So are you saying with fact (since you have all the answers) (and since you're all for people backing up their opinions with facts) that there is no possible negative consequences to the HAARP project?

As you'd say to me or anyone else, simply thinking something doesn't make sense or isn't correct doesn't count unless you can prove that your argument has a foundation based on research & fact.

Those who have researched this project & have given official statements on this project admit that there ARE some potentially catastrophic consequences & disadvantages to HAARP. Your opinion vs. a physicist opinion? Whose opinion is probably more credible, b/w you 2? lol

That's like saying that shooting pollution into the air doesn't & won't ever have any negative effects on the Earth, even though there is sufficient evidence proving otherwise

The reason the HAARP project is now drawing so much attention is b/c of the sufficient evidence/research suggesting that this project absolutely CAN & DOES have negative impacts on the atmosphere/ionosphere & therefore the planet as a whole.

Again, people aren't debating whether or not it's real. It's real. They've confirmed that it's real. The big debate is whether or not the advantages outweigh the disadvantages. This is a very sensible argument & def. 1 worth having.

The technology uses electromagnetic frequencies to fire pulsed, directed energy beams in order to temporarily excite a limited area of the ionosphere. It is scientific fact (and has been for ages) that the ionosphere is a very sensitive layer. The reason this project has caught the eye of many scientists is b/c of their knowledge of how doing such things could have potentially catastrophic consequences. YOU may not agree, but YOU are not a scientist nor have you done any research or have the credentials to dispute their findings

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Posted by krysrenee7
The HAARP project is using the earth as its placebo. It is interfering with the natural flow of the very thing that protects us (the atmosphere & ionosphere). I'm not sure if it's even possible for the benefits to outweigh the disadvantages

That makes no sense.

So are you saying with fact (since you have all the answers) (and since you're all for people backing up their opinions with facts) that there is no possible negative consequences to the HAARP project?

As you'd say to me or anyone else, simply thinking something doesn't make sense or isn't correct doesn't count unless you can prove that your argument has a foundation based on research & fact.

Those who have researched this project & have given official statements on this project admit that there ARE some potentially catastrophic consequences & disadvantages to HAARP. Your opinion vs. a physicist opinion? Whose opinion is probably more credible, b/w you 2? lol

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I didn't say any of those things-- I said you shouldn't believe alt media, simply because it is "alternative"

I also posted the info garnered in my own google search which corroborated nothing you said.

No one has been rude to you, and you've had ample opportunity to back up your statements.

Which is all anyone has asked for-- a source.

But still-- you refuse to tell us anything about these mystery people (now, physicists!) who have made "official statements."


Anywhere else, you would have been labeled a shill by page 2.

I have provided links backing up my statements & so have others. It doesn't matter where the links came from. There are several links throughout this thread that are legit & gave me the basis for which I even created this thread to begin with. You also have eyes & the ability to read yourself & don't have any evidence of your OWN research or links proving that my findings are unfounded. You're presenting just "your opinion" w/o facts backing up your own claims while at the same time accusing me of doing the same thing

Just facts.

It was created in 1997, back when global warming didn't exist, and nobody gave a fuck about the environment.

A tradition we keep to this day.

There are only two facts here.

$ 30 million has been invested into the project since itstarted. That's 3 billion 1p sweets. Which would you rather have?

HAARP burned my bread today 😢

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HAARP burned my bread today 😢

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My hair frizzed earlier :/
Damn you HAARP!

Well open-mindedness is 1 of the best traits to have. People who already go into it with a suspicious attitude will see the information they way they WANT to see it. The same rings true for those who automatically go into it with a closed mind. Both are equally bad.

Just b/c 1 conspiracy theorist takes on an assignment does not mean that their mere interest in something suddenly makes the topic "untrue" or non-existent. I get it. Some conspiracy theorists have ruined it for everybody by going above & beyond to the point where people turn their heads the minute they even hear the words "conspiracy theory."

But again, all conspiracy theorists haven't been wrong. And simply questioning the government's intentions, motives or promises doesn't automatically make you a conspiracy theorist. Choosing not to believe everything you hear doesn't make you a conspiracy theorist either, nor does it automatically mean that you don't have a good basis for why you are suspicious to begin with.

It's true. Everything in life is not always what it seems or appears to be. Everyone can attest to that, including non-conspiracy theorists.

Posted by krysrenee7
I have provided links backing up my statements & so have others.

No, you didn't.

You just linked the FOIA homepage, and NASA's homepage. 😐

Posted by krysrenee7
http://www.foia.cia.gov/<BR> http://www.nasa.gov/<BR>

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Posted by krysrenee7
It doesn't matter where the links came from. There are several links throughout this thread that are legit & gave me the basis for which I even created this thread to begin with.

No, there aren't.

Your DoD guy (the one you told everyone to look up) Cohen, back in '97--

GemsRaGal commented:

Posted by GemsRaGalsBestPal
Montgomery, I came across that DoD article when I was searching for the 900 page report that Krys is referencing, but other than a sideways statement it says NOTHING about HAARP which is why I didn't include it here.

She's right; it doesn't.

Posted by krysrenee7
You also have eyes & the ability to read yourself & don't have any evidence of your OWN research or links proving that my findings are unfounded. You're presenting just "your opinion" w/o facts backing up your own claims while at the same time accusing me of doing the same thing

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I did-- Page 7, all sources linked directly: LINK


As for proof that your "findings" are unfounded-- lol

I also can't find proof that you are NOT a pathological liar.

Let's just assume you are, since we're already busy trying to prove negatives, and call it a day. 😉

Jeez.

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Dude.

WEATHER CONTROL.

Just *think* about it for a moment.
WEATHER
CONTROL.
come on,

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Pollution is a perfect example. It has dramatically jeopardized the ozone layer & exosphere, therefore resulting in a subtle erosion of the ionosphere. This is the reason "Global Warming" is such a big political issue now. There is evidence that both pollution AND radio waves (HAARP) having damaging side effects. How dramatic are the changes? That's the million dollar question.

Anything that interferes with the natural flow of the ionosphere can most definitely influence the weather.

Not "influence" as in boom, make it snow today!
Influence as in physicists knowing that it is scientifically AND humanly possible.

Weather control (not necessarily with the intention to use this technology to harm the Earth or people) is absolutely possible, is just 1 concern.

These "spheres" protect us from many things. Man made efforts to erode or interfere with these spheres can be potentially catastrophic, not only to the Earth itself but to the humans living on it.

Evidence even suggests that tsunamis can have huge effects on the ionosphere, resulting in a domino effect (weather changes). Tsunamis affect the ionosphere b/c of the radio waves coming from them. HAARP is using what? Radio waves. Being concerned with the HAARP project makes just as much sense as being concerned about the melting glaciers all over the world. No bueno.

Again, scientist agree that weather control is absolutely scientifically AND humanly possible. Even if just on a small scale, it IS possible. Physics can attest to that.

Posted by Rabbit
Isn't haarp a beer?

Different spelling.

I know this a dead issue and so I am only going to say this....

I think every conspiracy theory, no matter how far fetched, is worth considering and reading up on, with an emphasis on "reading up on". Oh, and "credible sources", that shit's important too.

I think that someone who says.... nope, that can't be true because that's just too wild.... well, those people may want to review their history/science books because weird shit happens. ALL THE TIME. However, I think the "that's just too far-fetched" people are as ignorant as the people who believe something because they read it once and/or watched a documentary about it.

It's not just about "thinking" people.... it's about reading, discovering, vetting.... remember? Like we all used to do in school? With the report cards? Like that....