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Rape or not rape?
Posted by ArilovesAqu
I’m a bit confused by the details but strippers and strip clubs are not designed for sex.
what I am asking is, is this the same rape as the random predator rape of random people who are not inviting this in their lives?
random people get attacked: who is this, how and why it happened?
strip club dancer: I do whatever you want or my manager wants, and when it happens, it´s rape?
from the point of avoiding rape
Edit: I think everyone can work where they like it. Just dont cry rape later if you offer sexual intercourse, where you can predict it may happen, imho. Not fair to the other rape victims who are not aware the attack is coming
Posted by MrsElleCappysnatch
Rape is rape.
There are not different levels or one more traumatic than the other.
It is all a violation to your body.
Please stop trying to justify it in your head.
I agree, that rape is rape. But rape not equals to saying rape from anyone who has other agenda
I just think the definition of rape can be very different for different people with different agendas who cry rape
I will never justify in my head rape. However, I will ask if crying rape is enough for you to claim rape and make it equal to actual rape
it will not help the real rape victims, if people will believe anyone who says: " I said you do whatever you want honey" , "I loved him so I did what he wanted" " You didnt call me so I call rape" - that this mental cases equal to a brutal assault by a stranger, unexpected and not invited
People need to learn to say *NO* and be clear about it. After that if the other person carries on, it’s rape.
Posted by MrsElleCappysnatch
Rape is rape.
There are not different levels or one more traumatic than the other.
It is all a violation to your body.
Please stop trying to justify it in your head.
and I agree that it is all a violation to your body
the difference is (imho) that if you were a participant of this violation of your body or not
if you offer yourself and/or know this person and then cry rape - you could control it, you could expect the violence, it was somehow at least in your control to stay away
if its a stranger in a dark alley, a brutal assault from a total stranger - you can not control it, you cant stay away
I dont think one is less or more traumatic than the other
I just say, there really are different levels of how to invite offenders into your lives.
If you have a victim mentality, you stay and endure abuse until you cry "rape" (your choice - sorry)
If you get brutalized by a total stranger randomly - you didnt have a choice
In that scenario she should’ve had a rape whistle to make everyone’s life easier. How you gonna go to work every day deluding yourself you won’t be coming across some of the most horny of men who could be on the verge of desperate that can be capable of doing anything. It’s like driving, you can trust yourself all you want but you cannot trust other drivers to not fuck up and hit you
Posted by MrsElleCappysnatchPosted by Pandora101Posted by MrsElleCappysnatch
Rape is rape.
There are not different levels or one more traumatic than the other.
It is all a violation to your body.
Please stop trying to justify it in your head.
and I agree that it is all a violation to your body
the difference is (imho) that if you were a participant of this violation of your body or not
if you offer yourself and/or know this person and then cry rape - you could control it, you could expect the violence, it was somehow at least in your control to stay away
if its a stranger in a dark alley, a brutal assault from a total stranger - you can not control it, you cant stay away
I dont think one is less or more traumatic than the other
I just say, there really are different levels of how to invite offenders into your lives.
If you have a victim mentality, you stay and endure abuse until you cry "rape" (your choice - sorry)
If you get brutalized by a total stranger randomly - you didnt have a choice
It's very simple.....
If you say no before the act, it is rape.
If you don't say no and regret it later, it is not rape.
It doesnt matter if you get all the way naked and seconds beforehand you say no. It is your right to say no and the other person is responsible for their self control.....not you.click to expand
"It doesnt matter if you get all the way naked and seconds beforehand you say no."
this will do a great service to our girls, thank you
and to our boys as well, great messege
sarcasm
it DOES MATTER if you get all the way naked and inviting, and then you say its rape
see, thats why I am saying, rape and claiming rape is not equal
would be better to tell girls, dont get naked and into sex, if you dont want to have sex, because otherwise boys will think you want sex (you got naked voluntarily)
and lots of boys are getting into trouble by "drunk as ass and getting naked and inviting" type of girls, who then cry rape because of their parents force them to claim
but, my initial question was, if this is the same type of attack what you endure if you are not naked at the party and dont say you go with them somewhere for money
Posted by Pandora101Posted by MrsElleCappysnatchPosted by Pandora101Posted by MrsElleCappysnatch
Rape is rape.
There are not different levels or one more traumatic than the other.
It is all a violation to your body.
Please stop trying to justify it in your head.
and I agree that it is all a violation to your body
the difference is (imho) that if you were a participant of this violation of your body or not
if you offer yourself and/or know this person and then cry rape - you could control it, you could expect the violence, it was somehow at least in your control to stay away
if its a stranger in a dark alley, a brutal assault from a total stranger - you can not control it, you cant stay away
I dont think one is less or more traumatic than the other
I just say, there really are different levels of how to invite offenders into your lives.
If you have a victim mentality, you stay and endure abuse until you cry "rape" (your choice - sorry)
If you get brutalized by a total stranger randomly - you didnt have a choice
It's very simple.....
If you say no before the act, it is rape.
If you don't say no and regret it later, it is not rape.
It doesnt matter if you get all the way naked and seconds beforehand you say no. It is your right to say no and the other person is responsible for their self control.....not you.
"It doesnt matter if you get all the way naked and seconds beforehand you say no."
this will do a great service to our girls, thank you
and to our boys as well, great messege
sarcasm
it DOES MATTER if you get all the way naked and inviting, and then you say its rape
see, thats why I am saying, rape and claiming rape is not equal
would be better to tell girls, dont get naked and into sex, if you dont want to have sex, because otherwise boys will think you want sex (you got naked voluntarily)
and lots of boys are getting into trouble by "drunk as ass and getting naked and inviting" type of girls, who then cry rape because of their parents force them to claim
but, my initial question was, if this is the same type of attack what you endure if you are not naked at the party and dont say you go with them somewhere for money
as the same type of rape when you are not voluntarily naked at some party and got brutalized just the same?
case 1: girls getting voluntary naked and inviting, sex workers taking money, strippers voluntarily going into some rooms with the "customer"
case 2: you go home from work and get attacked by some random perv and raped
same case?
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Posted by dilettantePosted by Pandora101Posted by MrsElleCappysnatch
Rape is rape.
There are not different levels or one more traumatic than the other.
It is all a violation to your body.
Please stop trying to justify it in your head.
and I agree that it is all a violation to your body
the difference is (imho) that if you were a participant of this violation of your body or not
if you offer yourself and/or know this person and then cry rape - you could control it, you could expect the violence, it was somehow at least in your control to stay away
if its a stranger in a dark alley, a brutal assault from a total stranger - you can not control it, you cant stay away
I dont think one is less or more traumatic than the other
I just say, there really are different levels of how to invite offenders into your lives.
If you have a victim mentality, you stay and endure abuse until you cry "rape" (your choice - sorry)
If you get brutalized by a total stranger randomly - you didnt have a choice
you are an incredibly fucked person.
does this also go for people who are date raped? or drugged by a person they know at the bar?
not everyone goes around exuding rapist vibes. rapists often take advantage of a situation.
RAPE IS ABOUT POWER. not sex.
if you believe being a dancer is consenting to rape, YOU ARE FUCKING SCUM.click to expand
this question is very serious, its not about your ego
what can help?
Posted by LittleStarPosted by DevilPosted by Phantum
I don't really understand the question, but consent can be revoked at any point and time. A blanket statement of "I'll do whatever you want" out of context is not a life-time pass to rape the person.
See that shit is confusing. Are we supposed to be mind readers and understand they didn't want in the first place after they already had sex or even during sex?
After they said let's do it. Now if they said only I'll do whatever you want the guy should of asked what exactly. Buy seriously how did it even get to the point of having sex without her saying NO i didn't mean that.
I'm just really confused by the whole premise.
If girls just aren’t overly enthusiastic and happy to be having sex with you, you can always ask them: Do you want this? Are you okay with this?click to expand
"If girls just aren’t overly enthusiastic and happy to be having sex with you, you can always ask them: Do you want this? Are you okay with this?"
I am not sure why if someone is happy to have sex with you, you should ask: Do you want this? Are girls idiots? how many girls are asking boys if they want this? Again, are girls idiots? Are they second-class citizens to be asked? Can they decide in situations?
many parents think their girls are imbeciles and shame them into rape accusations ("my little Flower couldnt have been naked in the party, she was taken advantage of" oh, ah..)
the other thing is with strippers, if you offer sex, and it goes wrong, dont accuse the man for rape, accuse him for manhandling or assault, not rape
very well to have this conversation, because it seems everyone is crying rape, but it would be more beneficial to take care of all the people who are vulnerable. I am not sure they crying rape if they cant take responsibility is the way to go. The same for boys
Posted by MrsElleCappysnatchPosted by Pandora101Posted by MrsElleCappysnatchPosted by Pandora101Posted by MrsElleCappysnatch
Rape is rape.
There are not different levels or one more traumatic than the other.
It is all a violation to your body.
Please stop trying to justify it in your head.
and I agree that it is all a violation to your body
the difference is (imho) that if you were a participant of this violation of your body or not
if you offer yourself and/or know this person and then cry rape - you could control it, you could expect the violence, it was somehow at least in your control to stay away
if its a stranger in a dark alley, a brutal assault from a total stranger - you can not control it, you cant stay away
I dont think one is less or more traumatic than the other
I just say, there really are different levels of how to invite offenders into your lives.
If you have a victim mentality, you stay and endure abuse until you cry "rape" (your choice - sorry)
If you get brutalized by a total stranger randomly - you didnt have a choice
It's very simple.....
If you say no before the act, it is rape.
If you don't say no and regret it later, it is not rape.
It doesnt matter if you get all the way naked and seconds beforehand you say no. It is your right to say no and the other person is responsible for their self control.....not you.
"It doesnt matter if you get all the way naked and seconds beforehand you say no."
this will do a great service to our girls, thank you
and to our boys as well, great messege
sarcasm
it DOES MATTER if you get all the way naked and inviting, and then you say its rape
see, thats why I am saying, rape and claiming rape is not equal
would be better to tell girls, dont get naked and into sex, if you dont want to have sex, because otherwise boys will think you want sex (you got naked voluntarily)
and lots of boys are getting into trouble by "drunk as ass and getting naked and inviting" type of girls, who then cry rape because of their parents force them to claim
but, my initial question was, if this is the same type of attack what you endure if you are not naked at the party and dont say you go with them somewhere for money
You are not trying to understand my perspective.
"it DOES MATTER if you get all the way naked and inviting, and then you say its rape"
^^ This is not what I said.
it DOES MATTER if you get all the way naked and inviting, and then you say NO. If you proceed after being told NO. It is Rape.
^^ This is what I said.
There is a very clear line. No means no.click to expand
Posted by MrsElleCappysnatchPosted by Pandora101Posted by MrsElleCappysnatchPosted by Pandora101Posted by MrsElleCappysnatch
Rape is rape.
There are not different levels or one more traumatic than the other.
It is all a violation to your body.
Please stop trying to justify it in your head.
and I agree that it is all a violation to your body
the difference is (imho) that if you were a participant of this violation of your body or not
if you offer yourself and/or know this person and then cry rape - you could control it, you could expect the violence, it was somehow at least in your control to stay away
if its a stranger in a dark alley, a brutal assault from a total stranger - you can not control it, you cant stay away
I dont think one is less or more traumatic than the other
I just say, there really are different levels of how to invite offenders into your lives.
If you have a victim mentality, you stay and endure abuse until you cry "rape" (your choice - sorry)
If you get brutalized by a total stranger randomly - you didnt have a choice
It's very simple.....
If you say no before the act, it is rape.
If you don't say no and regret it later, it is not rape.
It doesnt matter if you get all the way naked and seconds beforehand you say no. It is your right to say no and the other person is responsible for their self control.....not you.
"It doesnt matter if you get all the way naked and seconds beforehand you say no."
this will do a great service to our girls, thank you
and to our boys as well, great messege
sarcasm
it DOES MATTER if you get all the way naked and inviting, and then you say its rape
see, thats why I am saying, rape and claiming rape is not equal
would be better to tell girls, dont get naked and into sex, if you dont want to have sex, because otherwise boys will think you want sex (you got naked voluntarily)
and lots of boys are getting into trouble by "drunk as ass and getting naked and inviting" type of girls, who then cry rape because of their parents force them to claim
but, my initial question was, if this is the same type of attack what you endure if you are not naked at the party and dont say you go with them somewhere for money
You are not trying to understand my perspective.
"it DOES MATTER if you get all the way naked and inviting, and then you say its rape"
^^ This is not what I said.
it DOES MATTER if you get all the way naked and inviting, and then you say NO. If you proceed after being told NO. It is Rape.
^^ This is what I said.
There is a very clear line. No means no.click to expand
You are not trying to understand my perspective.
"it DOES MATTER if you get all the way naked and inviting, and then you say its rape"
^^ This is not what I said.
it DOES MATTER if you get all the way naked and inviting, and then you say NO. If you proceed after being told NO. It is Rape.
^^ This is what I said.
There is a very clear line. No means no."
I see your perspective, I just dont agree with it fully. If you get naked and inviting, its a consensual sex. If our girls would hear that (instead of the: any time you say no its a rape), it would be more beneficial, imho
Posted by DevilPosted by STILLPosted by DevilPosted by STILL
What is the point of this thread?
If you’re touching on common sense or poor decision making, doesn’t matter if the victim is as dumb as bricks and so called put themselves in an unfavorable situation, if the victim says NO, then that’s what it is. Doesn’t matter the situation.
This makes sense. Both sides should understand the boundaries that exist and respect them and each other enough not to play with these things.
Im guessing that’s what her intention is with this thread, but it comes off as something else.
I wont use the term because I don’t want to accuse her of anything when I don’t know whats going on in her mind
Hey I had no clue this was posted by a she untill now. I'm leave this conversation to everyone else. It's getting to hot for me.click to expand
Indeed it is. Idk why I posted here because I don’t participate in these types of topics online. It’s too exhausting. I don’t have time to go back and forth, so my posts are lazily written. Anyway I’m out as well.
Posted by STILLPosted by Pandora101Posted by MrsElleCappysnatchPosted by Pandora101Posted by MrsElleCappysnatchPosted by Pandora101Posted by MrsElleCappysnatch
Rape is rape.
There are not different levels or one more traumatic than the other.
It is all a violation to your body.
Please stop trying to justify it in your head.
and I agree that it is all a violation to your body
the difference is (imho) that if you were a participant of this violation of your body or not
if you offer yourself and/or know this person and then cry rape - you could control it, you could expect the violence, it was somehow at least in your control to stay away
if its a stranger in a dark alley, a brutal assault from a total stranger - you can not control it, you cant stay away
I dont think one is less or more traumatic than the other
I just say, there really are different levels of how to invite offenders into your lives.
If you have a victim mentality, you stay and endure abuse until you cry "rape" (your choice - sorry)
If you get brutalized by a total stranger randomly - you didnt have a choice
It's very simple.....
If you say no before the act, it is rape.
If you don't say no and regret it later, it is not rape.
It doesnt matter if you get all the way naked and seconds beforehand you say no. It is your right to say no and the other person is responsible for their self control.....not you.
"It doesnt matter if you get all the way naked and seconds beforehand you say no."
this will do a great service to our girls, thank you
and to our boys as well, great messege
sarcasm
it DOES MATTER if you get all the way naked and inviting, and then you say its rape
see, thats why I am saying, rape and claiming rape is not equal
would be better to tell girls, dont get naked and into sex, if you dont want to have sex, because otherwise boys will think you want sex (you got naked voluntarily)
and lots of boys are getting into trouble by "drunk as ass and getting naked and inviting" type of girls, who then cry rape because of their parents force them to claim
but, my initial question was, if this is the same type of attack what you endure if you are not naked at the party and dont say you go with them somewhere for money
You are not trying to understand my perspective.
"it DOES MATTER if you get all the way naked and inviting, and then you say its rape"
^^ This is not what I said.
it DOES MATTER if you get all the way naked and inviting, and then you say NO. If you proceed after being told NO. It is Rape.
^^ This is what I said.
There is a very clear line. No means no.
You are not trying to understand my perspective.
"it DOES MATTER if you get all the way naked and inviting, and then you say its rape"
^^ This is not what I said.
it DOES MATTER if you get all the way naked and inviting, and then you say NO. If you proceed after being told NO. It is Rape.
^^ This is what I said.
There is a very clear line. No means no."
I see your perspective, I just dont agree with it fully. If you get naked and inviting, its a consensual sex. If our girls would hear that (instead of the: any time you say no its a rape), it would be more beneficial, imho
How do you think it would be more beneficial?click to expand
"How do you think it would be more beneficial?"
I think if telling our girls if you get naked at the party and sleep with someone, its not rape. I know, revolutionary, to tell girls they are capable to make their own decisions. That they are not imbeciles and actually can control their actions.
the main question of this topic was, if the rape of the willing participant (who got into the situation willingly) is the same as the rape of someone who got into this situation unwillingly, by brutally assaulted, by strangers, what is not in their control.
why cry rape in every case when you just dont control yourself? on contratry to cases who are assaulted NOT willingly
I dont want to mitigate the harm.... I just want justice for the real victims (not the ones who willingly invited that into their lives, by being naked in parties and going to the "Champaigne room" with the "custumers"
Posted by Pandora101Posted by STILLPosted by Pandora101Posted by MrsElleCappysnatchPosted by Pandora101Posted by MrsElleCappysnatchPosted by Pandora101Posted by MrsElleCappysnatch
Rape is rape.
There are not different levels or one more traumatic than the other.
It is all a violation to your body.
Please stop trying to justify it in your head.
and I agree that it is all a violation to your body
the difference is (imho) that if you were a participant of this violation of your body or not
if you offer yourself and/or know this person and then cry rape - you could control it, you could expect the violence, it was somehow at least in your control to stay away
if its a stranger in a dark alley, a brutal assault from a total stranger - you can not control it, you cant stay away
I dont think one is less or more traumatic than the other
I just say, there really are different levels of how to invite offenders into your lives.
If you have a victim mentality, you stay and endure abuse until you cry "rape" (your choice - sorry)
If you get brutalized by a total stranger randomly - you didnt have a choice
It's very simple.....
If you say no before the act, it is rape.
If you don't say no and regret it later, it is not rape.
It doesnt matter if you get all the way naked and seconds beforehand you say no. It is your right to say no and the other person is responsible for their self control.....not you.
"It doesnt matter if you get all the way naked and seconds beforehand you say no."
this will do a great service to our girls, thank you
and to our boys as well, great messege
sarcasm
it DOES MATTER if you get all the way naked and inviting, and then you say its rape
see, thats why I am saying, rape and claiming rape is not equal
would be better to tell girls, dont get naked and into sex, if you dont want to have sex, because otherwise boys will think you want sex (you got naked voluntarily)
and lots of boys are getting into trouble by "drunk as ass and getting naked and inviting" type of girls, who then cry rape because of their parents force them to claim
but, my initial question was, if this is the same type of attack what you endure if you are not naked at the party and dont say you go with them somewhere for money
You are not trying to understand my perspective.
"it DOES MATTER if you get all the way naked and inviting, and then you say its rape"
^^ This is not what I said.
it DOES MATTER if you get all the way naked and inviting, and then you say NO. If you proceed after being told NO. It is Rape.
^^ This is what I said.
There is a very clear line. No means no.
You are not trying to understand my perspective.
"it DOES MATTER if you get all the way naked and inviting, and then you say its rape"
^^ This is not what I said.
it DOES MATTER if you get all the way naked and inviting, and then you say NO. If you proceed after being told NO. It is Rape.
^^ This is what I said.
There is a very clear line. No means no."
I see your perspective, I just dont agree with it fully. If you get naked and inviting, its a consensual sex. If our girls would hear that (instead of the: any time you say no its a rape), it would be more beneficial, imho
How do you think it would be more beneficial?
"How do you think it would be more beneficial?click to expand
What? I asked you a question about your statement. You said it would be beneficial, not I.
Posted by MrsElleCappysnatchPosted by Pandora101Posted by MrsElleCappysnatchPosted by Pandora101Posted by MrsElleCappysnatchPosted by Pandora101Posted by MrsElleCappysnatch
Rape is rape.
There are not different levels or one more traumatic than the other.
It is all a violation to your body.
Please stop trying to justify it in your head.
and I agree that it is all a violation to your body
the difference is (imho) that if you were a participant of this violation of your body or not
if you offer yourself and/or know this person and then cry rape - you could control it, you could expect the violence, it was somehow at least in your control to stay away
if its a stranger in a dark alley, a brutal assault from a total stranger - you can not control it, you cant stay away
I dont think one is less or more traumatic than the other
I just say, there really are different levels of how to invite offenders into your lives.
If you have a victim mentality, you stay and endure abuse until you cry "rape" (your choice - sorry)
If you get brutalized by a total stranger randomly - you didnt have a choice
It's very simple.....
If you say no before the act, it is rape.
If you don't say no and regret it later, it is not rape.
It doesnt matter if you get all the way naked and seconds beforehand you say no. It is your right to say no and the other person is responsible for their self control.....not you.
"It doesnt matter if you get all the way naked and seconds beforehand you say no."
this will do a great service to our girls, thank you
and to our boys as well, great messege
sarcasm
it DOES MATTER if you get all the way naked and inviting, and then you say its rape
see, thats why I am saying, rape and claiming rape is not equal
would be better to tell girls, dont get naked and into sex, if you dont want to have sex, because otherwise boys will think you want sex (you got naked voluntarily)
and lots of boys are getting into trouble by "drunk as ass and getting naked and inviting" type of girls, who then cry rape because of their parents force them to claim
but, my initial question was, if this is the same type of attack what you endure if you are not naked at the party and dont say you go with them somewhere for money
You are not trying to understand my perspective.
"it DOES MATTER if you get all the way naked and inviting, and then you say its rape"
^^ This is not what I said.
it DOES MATTER if you get all the way naked and inviting, and then you say NO. If you proceed after being told NO. It is Rape.
^^ This is what I said.
There is a very clear line. No means no.
You are not trying to understand my perspective.
"it DOES MATTER if you get all the way naked and inviting, and then you say its rape"
^^ This is not what I said.
it DOES MATTER if you get all the way naked and inviting, and then you say NO. If you proceed after being told NO. It is Rape.
^^ This is what I said.
There is a very clear line. No means no."
I see your perspective, I just dont agree with it fully. If you get naked and inviting, its a consensual sex. If our girls would hear that (instead of the: any time you say no its a rape), it would be more beneficial, imho
I'm not saying it is okay for women to do that.
However, everyon we....man oroman, has the individual right to say no anytime before the act takes place and the other person is always responsible for having self control.click to expand
"However, everyone we....man or woman, has the individual right to say no anytime before the act takes place and the other person is always responsible for having self control."
I dont think the other person is is always responsible for having self control. Why would they have self control, if the participant doesnt have any self-control? how much we are responsible for any unresponsible person´s action?
I dont think the other person is is always responsible for having self control. Why would they have self control, if the participant doesnt have any self-control? how much we are responsible for any unresponsible person´s action?
Playing devil's advocate here, just because this thread reminded me of a story I just read.
This woman filed a police report against a man she was seeing for a short period of time. Over an extended weekend she and him had spent roughly 4 days straight having sex. On the first or second day, he "titty fucked" her in the middle of having sex. She didn't like it, and told him to stop. So he did and they finished having intercourse naturally and continued for the next several days.
However after leaving his house, she went to the police station and reported him for rape and sexual assault for titty fucking her, because she didn't give him consent to do so and didn't like it. Just this portion of their sexual exploits during the 4 days.
Is this rape still in this scenario? Because if it is, this would open up a whole new can of worms that gets REAL scary to me for men.
This woman filed a police report against a man she was seeing for a short period of time. Over an extended weekend she and him had spent roughly 4 days straight having sex. On the first or second day, he "titty fucked" her in the middle of having sex. She didn't like it, and told him to stop. So he did and they finished having intercourse naturally and continued for the next several days.
However after leaving his house, she went to the police station and reported him for rape and sexual assault for titty fucking her, because she didn't give him consent to do so and didn't like it. Just this portion of their sexual exploits during the 4 days.
Is this rape still in this scenario? Because if it is, this would open up a whole new can of worms that gets REAL scary to me for men.
well.... if anyone sane is reading this topic, its very clear, why this important issue can not be discussed properly 🙂 dont blame anyone
Posted by MrsElleCappysnatchPosted by nikkistar
Playing devil's advocate here, just because this thread reminded me of a story I just read.
This woman filed a police report against a man she was seeing for a short period of time. Over an extended weekend she and him had spent roughly 4 days straight having sex. On the first or second day, he "titty fucked" her in the middle of having sex. She didn't like it, and told him to stop. So he did and they finished having intercourse naturally and continued for the next several days.
However after leaving his house, she went to the police station and reported him for rape and sexual assault for titty fucking her, because she didn't give him consent to do so and didn't like it. Just this portion of their sexual exploits during the 4 days.
Is this rape still in this scenario? Because if it is, this would open up a whole new can of worms that gets REAL scary to me for men.
Not rape.click to expand
I don't feel it is either. But if SHE feels its rape, can she?
That's the dilemma I see here, because there are women that will say that the woman is entitled to feel as if she was raped. That YOU can't tell her how to feel. And that's where it all starts getting messy af to me.
I think legally, it's if you hear the word " No " no matter what happened before than it's rape
Posted by PhantumPosted by nikkistarPosted by MrsElleCappysnatchPosted by nikkistar
Playing devil's advocate here, just because this thread reminded me of a story I just read.
This woman filed a police report against a man she was seeing for a short period of time. Over an extended weekend she and him had spent roughly 4 days straight having sex. On the first or second day, he "titty fucked" her in the middle of having sex. She didn't like it, and told him to stop. So he did and they finished having intercourse naturally and continued for the next several days.
However after leaving his house, she went to the police station and reported him for rape and sexual assault for titty fucking her, because she didn't give him consent to do so and didn't like it. Just this portion of their sexual exploits during the 4 days.
Is this rape still in this scenario? Because if it is, this would open up a whole new can of worms that gets REAL scary to me for men.
Not rape.
I don't feel it is either. But if SHE feels its rape, can she?
That's the dilemma I see here, because their are women that will say that the woman is entitled to feel as if she was raped. That YOU can't tell her how to feel. And that's where it all starts getting messy af to me.
But that's such an insane outlier. Why do conversations about this topic always end up discussing these crazy hypotheticals that almost never happen? The situation the OP is mad about happened on a TV show.click to expand
I'm just asking about mine, not the OP's tbh.
I just read that story like a week ago and went WTF? This thread just reminded me of it and was convenient to bring it up.
Posted by MrsElleCappysnatchPosted by Pandora101
"However, everyone we....man or woman, has the individual right to say no anytime before the act takes place and the other person is always responsible for having self control."
I dont think the other person is is always responsible for having self control. Why would they have self control, if the participant doesnt have any self-control? how much we are responsible for any unresponsible person´s action?
I cant with you anymore.
Did you see the example of the locked versus unlocked car?
Whether to car is locked or not doesnt give you permission to take its contents.
I really don't understand why you don't get that.
I realise women have been conditioned for centuries that men have the final say in everything women but I am sad that it is so engrained in the brains of women that they actually dont feel they have rights over their decisions and somehow men are still not expected to respect those decisions.click to expand
SOME women will never take responsibility for their actions. Willingly.
"I really don't understand why you don't get that."
my word 🙂
Posted by PhantumPosted by nikkistarPosted by PhantumPosted by nikkistarPosted by MrsElleCappysnatchPosted by nikkistar
Playing devil's advocate here, just because this thread reminded me of a story I just read.
This woman filed a police report against a man she was seeing for a short period of time. Over an extended weekend she and him had spent roughly 4 days straight having sex. On the first or second day, he "titty fucked" her in the middle of having sex. She didn't like it, and told him to stop. So he did and they finished having intercourse naturally and continued for the next several days.
However after leaving his house, she went to the police station and reported him for rape and sexual assault for titty fucking her, because she didn't give him consent to do so and didn't like it. Just this portion of their sexual exploits during the 4 days.
Is this rape still in this scenario? Because if it is, this would open up a whole new can of worms that gets REAL scary to me for men.
Not rape.
I don't feel it is either. But if SHE feels its rape, can she?
That's the dilemma I see here, because their are women that will say that the woman is entitled to feel as if she was raped. That YOU can't tell her how to feel. And that's where it all starts getting messy af to me.
But that's such an insane outlier. Why do conversations about this topic always end up discussing these crazy hypotheticals that almost never happen? The situation the OP is mad about happened on a TV show.
I'm just asking about mine, not the OP's tbh.
I just read that story like a week ago and went WTF? This thread just reminded me of it and was convenient to bring it up.
I didn't mean to pick on you. It just seems to always happen. "Rape is wrong..." "But what if...(insane situation)?" Are people expecting to get into these 1 in a million situations or it just for the mental exercise?
Anyway, that story is nuts.click to expand
I agree rape is rape. Trust me. With my past, I 100% agree it is.
But I'm also just trying to understand weird outliers. This story was one of them. The woman in it wasn't taken seriously. And I don't either, but I sit there and can only come up with the conclusion she was probably pissed off at him for something to report him for that, because IF she actually believes she is a victim, that would be nuts. Ya know?
Posted by PhantumPosted by nikkistarPosted by PhantumPosted by nikkistarPosted by PhantumPosted by nikkistarPosted by MrsElleCappysnatchPosted by nikkistar
Playing devil's advocate here, just because this thread reminded me of a story I just read.
This woman filed a police report against a man she was seeing for a short period of time. Over an extended weekend she and him had spent roughly 4 days straight having sex. On the first or second day, he "titty fucked" her in the middle of having sex. She didn't like it, and told him to stop. So he did and they finished having intercourse naturally and continued for the next several days.
However after leaving his house, she went to the police station and reported him for rape and sexual assault for titty fucking her, because she didn't give him consent to do so and didn't like it. Just this portion of their sexual exploits during the 4 days.
Is this rape still in this scenario? Because if it is, this would open up a whole new can of worms that gets REAL scary to me for men.
Not rape.
I don't feel it is either. But if SHE feels its rape, can she?
That's the dilemma I see here, because their are women that will say that the woman is entitled to feel as if she was raped. That YOU can't tell her how to feel. And that's where it all starts getting messy af to me.
But that's such an insane outlier. Why do conversations about this topic always end up discussing these crazy hypotheticals that almost never happen? The situation the OP is mad about happened on a TV show.
I'm just asking about mine, not the OP's tbh.
I just read that story like a week ago and went WTF? This thread just reminded me of it and was convenient to bring it up.
I didn't mean to pick on you. It just seems to always happen. "Rape is wrong..." "But what if...(insane situation)?" Are people expecting to get into these 1 in a million situations or it just for the mental exercise?
Anyway, that story is nuts.
I agree rape is rape. Trust me. With my past, I 100% agree it is.
But I also just trying to understand weird outliers. This story was one of them. The woman in it wasn't taken seriously. And I don't either, but I sit there and can only come up with the conclusion she was probably pissed off at him for something to report him for that, because IF she actually believes she is a victim, that would be nuts. Ya know?
You and I are mostly sane and rational, though. It is really hard to understand the thought process of a person who would make such a claim.click to expand
Right——?
But I know there would be someone out there that "rationalized' it themselves she is a victim, simply because I remember seeing comments on the article saying she was.
That's what scared me, I think the most. That she has some (though not A LOT) of people that wanted her to get "justice". It was just weird all together to me.
Posted by nikkistar
Playing devil's advocate here, just because this thread reminded me of a story I just read.
This woman filed a police report against a man she was seeing for a short period of time. Over an extended weekend she and him had spent roughly 4 days straight having sex. On the first or second day, he "titty fucked" her in the middle of having sex. She didn't like it, and told him to stop. So he did and they finished having intercourse naturally and continued for the next several days.
However after leaving his house, she went to the police station and reported him for rape and sexual assault for titty fucking her, because she didn't give him consent to do so and didn't like it. Just this portion of their sexual exploits during the 4 days.
Is this rape still in this scenario? Because if it is, this would open up a whole new can of worms that gets REAL scary to me for men.
No because he stopped.
"She didn't like it, and told him to stop. So he did and they finished having intercourse naturally and continued for the next several days."
Posted by MrsElleCappysnatchPosted by Pandora101Posted by MrsElleCappysnatchPosted by Pandora101
"However, everyone we....man or woman, has the individual right to say no anytime before the act takes place and the other person is always responsible for having self control."
I dont think the other person is is always responsible for having self control. Why would they have self control, if the participant doesnt have any self-control? how much we are responsible for any unresponsible person´s action?
I cant with you anymore.
Did you see the example of the locked versus unlocked car?
Whether to car is locked or not doesnt give you permission to take its contents.
I really don't understand why you don't get that.
I realise women have been conditioned for centuries that men have the final say in everything women but I am sad that it is so engrained in the brains of women that they actually dont feel they have rights over their decisions and somehow men are still not expected to respect those decisions.
SOME women will never take responsibility for their actions. Willingly.
"I really don't understand why you don't get that."
my word 🙂
It doesnt matter what "Some" women or men do. Personal accountability is yours and you own it.click to expand
"It doesnt matter what "Some" women or men do. Personal accountability is yours and you own it"
Exactly. I am happy you are so consistent
Posted by Devil
What is weird for me is I thought pandora was a dude. Holy shit it's a female. Too hard to believe.
This thought is worth long contemplation. Don't dismiss it. Let it marinate.
Posted by VenusAquariusPosted by nikkistar
Playing devil's advocate here, just because this thread reminded me of a story I just read.
This woman filed a police report against a man she was seeing for a short period of time. Over an extended weekend she and him had spent roughly 4 days straight having sex. On the first or second day, he "titty fucked" her in the middle of having sex. She didn't like it, and told him to stop. So he did and they finished having intercourse naturally and continued for the next several days.
However after leaving his house, she went to the police station and reported him for rape and sexual assault for titty fucking her, because she didn't give him consent to do so and didn't like it. Just this portion of their sexual exploits during the 4 days.
Is this rape still in this scenario? Because if it is, this would open up a whole new can of worms that gets REAL scary to me for men.
No because he stopped."She didn't like it, and told him to stop. So he did and they finished having intercourse naturally and continued for the next several days."click to expand
"No because he stopped."She didn't like it, and told him to stop. So he did and they finished having intercourse naturally and continued for the next several days."
that is the core of the problem. We need to believe when women say rape. And I am really desperate so many women devalue the meaing of the word "rape", by crying rape for their irresponsible behaviour any time, so the real victims dont get recognition
if you like sex and willing or cant control yourself - you own it
if you were raped (like really raped) - report it
Posted by Devil
What is weird for me is I thought pandora was a dude. Holy shit it's a female. Too hard to believe.
Pandora is a female and very much angered by false rape accusations, because it takes away the focus from the real rape victims. I dont count voluntarily naked girls on parties or strippers who invite you into the "Whatever you want" rooms, as rape. Girls have to take responsibility for their actions. You like to get naked or you like to get paid for sex? Its ok, enjoy it, but Its not rape. Enjoy it, but why to accuse the other of rape?
Some women get raped even if its not invited and agreed (like in these cases above), bear this in mind.
Posted by Nadiakalidescope
At any point consent is taken away it can be rape because sex is not a contract where once you sign up that's it.
if you are not putting yourself into situations which can be considered as a consensual sex (getting naked or offering "room service") is consensual in my book
I really want to make sure everyone understands what rape is. If you offer yourself, its not rape, even if you not feel good afterwards and feel rejected. Because you are not total stupid and dumb to get into this situation, right? or are you? and you teach your girls and boys this same stupidity? That you get naked and during the intercourse you say no, and then accuse the other party of rape? (if they dont "love you anymore")
If you just go home from work and get attacked, thats rape. Unexpected. Horrible.
Lots of women and girls are shamed into the accusations
our girls are really not that imbecile, why force them to act like ones? Rape is rape, sexual liberation is sexual liberation
dont accuse others for YOUR actions.
(ps. not you, but generally)
Posted by Pandora101Posted by Devil
What is weird for me is I thought pandora was a dude. Holy shit it's a female. Too hard to believe.
Pandora is a female and very much angered by false rape accusations, because it takes away the focus from the real rape victims. I dont count voluntarily naked girls on parties or strippers who invite you into the "Whatever you want" rooms, as rape. Girls have to take responsibility for their actions. You like to get naked or you like to get paid for sex? Its ok, enjoy it, but Its not rape. Enjoy it, but why to accuse the other of rape?
Some women get raped even if its not invited and agreed (like in these cases above), bear this in mind.click to expand
It says female next to your pic
Posted by PhantumPosted by Pandora101Posted by Nadiakalidescope
At any point consent is taken away it can be rape because sex is not a contract where once you sign up that's it.
if you are not putting yourself into situations which can be considered as a consensual sex (getting naked or offering "room service") is consensual in my book
I really want to make sure everyone understands what rape is. If you offer yourself, its not rape, even if you not feel good afterwards and feel rejected. Because you are not total stupid and dumb to get into this situation, right? or are you? and you teach your girls and boys this same stupidity? That you get naked and during the intercourse you say no, and then accuse the other party of rape? (if they dont "love you anymore")
If you just go home from work and get attacked, thats rape. Unexpected. Horrible.
Lots of women and girls are shamed into the accusations
our girls are really not that imbecile, why force them to act like ones? Rape is rape, sexual liberation is sexual liberation
dont accuse others for YOUR actions.
(ps. not you, but generally)
You are the one who does not understand what rape is.click to expand
"You are the one who does not understand what rape is"
I am not the one parroting the useless "if you say no, its no" mantra. Reality proved this wrong. What is the goal, to protect our girls or to let them know AFTERWARDS, that it was "rape"? Then it happens because the girl empowered by this bs is getting naked in a party, feeded by no is no AT ANY TIME. Is this really the way how to protect our girls?
Posted by PhantumPosted by Pandora101Posted by PhantumPosted by Pandora101Posted by Nadiakalidescope
At any point consent is taken away it can be rape because sex is not a contract where once you sign up that's it.
if you are not putting yourself into situations which can be considered as a consensual sex (getting naked or offering "room service") is consensual in my book
I really want to make sure everyone understands what rape is. If you offer yourself, its not rape, even if you not feel good afterwards and feel rejected. Because you are not total stupid and dumb to get into this situation, right? or are you? and you teach your girls and boys this same stupidity? That you get naked and during the intercourse you say no, and then accuse the other party of rape? (if they dont "love you anymore")
If you just go home from work and get attacked, thats rape. Unexpected. Horrible.
Lots of women and girls are shamed into the accusations
our girls are really not that imbecile, why force them to act like ones? Rape is rape, sexual liberation is sexual liberation
dont accuse others for YOUR actions.
(ps. not you, but generally)
You are the one who does not understand what rape is.
"You are the one who does not understand what rape is"
I am not the one parroting the useless "if you say no, its no" mantra. Reality proved this wrong. What is the goal, to protect our girls or to let them know AFTERWARDS, that it was "rape"? Then it happens because the girl empowered by this bs is getting naked in a party, feeded by no is no AT ANY TIME. Is this really the way how to protect our girls?
Times are changing. Can't stop progress toward more democratic freedoms for people once they get a taste of it. And that means women should be able to be where they want to be without getting raped.click to expand
"Times are changing. Can't stop progress toward more democratic freedoms for people once they get a taste of it. And that means women should be able to be where they want to be without getting raped."
Absolutely.
But not naked, imho
Posted by MrsElleCappysnatchPosted by Pandora101Posted by Nadiakalidescope
At any point consent is taken away it can be rape because sex is not a contract where once you sign up that's it.
if you are not putting yourself into situations which can be considered as a consensual sex (getting naked or offering "room service") is consensual in my book
I really want to make sure everyone understands what rape is. If you offer yourself, its not rape, even if you not feel good afterwards and feel rejected. Because you are not total stupid and dumb to get into this situation, right? or are you? and you teach your girls and boys this same stupidity? That you get naked and during the intercourse you say no, and then accuse the other party of rape? (if they dont "love you anymore")
If you just go home from work and get attacked, thats rape. Unexpected. Horrible.
Lots of women and girls are shamed into the accusations
our girls are really not that imbecile, why force them to act like ones? Rape is rape, sexual liberation is sexual liberation
dont accuse others for YOUR actions.
(ps. not you, but generally)
This is where I have a problem.
We are giving men and women the wrong message.
Instead of taking personal responsibility we try to place blame.
You shouldn't have been naked.
You shouldn't have been a stripper
You shouldn't have worn that
You shouldn't have been there
You shouldn't have drank alcohol
When in fact, the message should be....
You should say no if you don't want to have sex. Full stop.click to expand
"You should say no if you don't want to have sex. Full stop"
I agree, but saying no will not protect you from "rape". Not putting yourself into situations that may lead to rape will protect you. And if you (not you, just generally speaking) is naked in a party and get into intercourse, saying no but doing the dead... why it would be the other person´s fault or responsibility? and being accused of rape and go to prison for an insane girl/woman who thinks getting naked and inviting boys/man to be with them means they can accuse them of rape, because they are pigs. I wonder what is the same term for girls who do this, everyone is responsible, just not them.
know what I mean? I just want to say, wake up all
Posted by PhantumPosted by Pandora101Posted by PhantumPosted by Pandora101Posted by PhantumPosted by Pandora101Posted by Nadiakalidescope
At any point consent is taken away it can be rape because sex is not a contract where once you sign up that's it.
if you are not putting yourself into situations which can be considered as a consensual sex (getting naked or offering "room service") is consensual in my book
I really want to make sure everyone understands what rape is. If you offer yourself, its not rape, even if you not feel good afterwards and feel rejected. Because you are not total stupid and dumb to get into this situation, right? or are you? and you teach your girls and boys this same stupidity? That you get naked and during the intercourse you say no, and then accuse the other party of rape? (if they dont "love you anymore")
If you just go home from work and get attacked, thats rape. Unexpected. Horrible.
Lots of women and girls are shamed into the accusations
our girls are really not that imbecile, why force them to act like ones? Rape is rape, sexual liberation is sexual liberation
dont accuse others for YOUR actions.
(ps. not you, but generally)
You are the one who does not understand what rape is.
"You are the one who does not understand what rape is"
I am not the one parroting the useless "if you say no, its no" mantra. Reality proved this wrong. What is the goal, to protect our girls or to let them know AFTERWARDS, that it was "rape"? Then it happens because the girl empowered by this bs is getting naked in a party, feeded by no is no AT ANY TIME. Is this really the way how to protect our girls?
Times are changing. Can't stop progress toward more democratic freedoms for people once they get a taste of it. And that means women should be able to be where they want to be without getting raped.
"Times are changing. Can't stop progress toward more democratic freedoms for people once they get a taste of it. And that means women should be able to be where they want to be without getting raped."
Absolutely.
But not naked, imho
So, what if a woman is having sex in her own bed naked with her own husband, and she wants to stop for some reason? (Any reason would do, but let me tell you the ones that have happened to me... it started to hurt or I had to pee.) If her husband refuses to stop, did he just rape his wife? According to US law, and every other law I know, he sure as hell did.
Edit: Just to be clear. I've never been raped, and my husband has never raped me or anyone. I feel I need to say that since people misread all the time.click to expand
very hard to say... if you felt uncomfortable, its maybe the marital status or he was insensitive. I am sorry you felt this way.
Edit: You can see from this thread that I am not a quitter, if you feel somehow, let it out. I am not going to say rape, if marital problems are there. I am sure you love your husband and he loves you. Sometimes its just not the right time, as in long-term relationships is often. Not rape.
Not rape.
Money compensates for rape.
Win win.
Money compensates for rape.
Win win.
Posted by Antiphates
Finding a working defintiojn of what is and entails rape and what isn't is indeed actually a lot harder than it might intuitively seem to be.
For both of the cases you stated I'd say it's rape as long as a refusal was articulated. In that sense the circumstances are irrelevant to the matter. On the other hand we could argue that the circumstances are in fact relevant because the women might be too frightened to voice her protest.
Per defintion it will be hard to be seen as rape while our intution clearly would say it is.
Another case would be one where the intital sex was consensual and already 95% with the men about to ejaculate and the women withdraws her consent seconds before the ejaculation. Per defintion it might be seen as rape because the women was harmed in the sense of having to endure something she didn't want.
And those cases aren't even about the legal nightmare that the whole thing is. The last case could easily be seen as a legal rape case with evidence.
Then there is the general issue of how you prove the protest if the two people were alone when protest and rape happended. It's practically impossible to determine it from a legal perspective.
I just want to say to our girls, you take responsibility. If you want sex, go for it, but dont make a scene about rape, if you didnt get, what you wanted
tell your daughters this, it will be more beneficial than the "no is no at any time, even during the intercourse" nonsense. Sign your girls up to self-defense classes, so they can parade naked in parties unattached, if that is what you want (not you, generally)
how many of your girls are attending self-defence classes? if you say them its okey to say no during the intercourse and then cry rape, it would be more beneficial for their mental health to fight the "pig" off, if they REALLY didnt want it
Posted by Phantum
In my opinion the question should not be "what can men or people in general get away with?" It should be, "what constitutes being a normal, healthy, sexual person and how do I not violate other people?"
actually, the original question was something like: it is the same rape, if someone offers themselves or the person get raped accidentally
The example seems to be from Law & Order season 21 episode 11. Where a stripper and artist is raped by a wealthy basketball player and restaurant owner.
Pandora seems to take the side of the defense and reporting officer who didn't file the case because the victim was a sex-worker.
Pandora seems to propose that their are instances of "victim being irresponsible." One is by being naked or a sex-worker.
Laws, logic must be able to be applied judiciously and generally.
Being naked does not warrant a rape; just like being clothed is not a deterrent; therefore, it cannot be advised or applied as a deterrent.
Laws are written to the advisement and deterrence of offenders - not the victims. Therefore, it is most judicious to outline to offenders what the offense constitutes (which is what law typically does.)
There are nude and topless beaches... even in the US. bathing suits with full buttocks out.
Colleges have co-ed bathrooms - one large area with many showers for all sexes to share simultaneously -same for military in contingency environments.
As the car theft example...Being rich and flaunting money does not give another person the right to rob someone. Is being poor a deterrent for robbery? Is hiding your wealth?
Personal freedoms adapted and lessened to help criminals? To lower the criminal prospect and temptation? To what end?
Psychology of rape is power.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/health/men-rape-sexual-assault.amp.html% 3f0p19G=2870
These personal property examples are a triffle cause one's person: mental and physical health can not be given a value it's so fundamental.
Sex-worker rights are still being fought. I personally do not believe that being a sex-worker warrants rape. In this is the main deviation from the examples of crimes of personal property.... and crimes against one's person. Because, I do not care about a robber being robbed - no one does.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-women-rape-trfn-idUSKBN1XF1QE
Pandora seems to take the side of the defense and reporting officer who didn't file the case because the victim was a sex-worker.
Pandora seems to propose that their are instances of "victim being irresponsible." One is by being naked or a sex-worker.
Laws, logic must be able to be applied judiciously and generally.
Being naked does not warrant a rape; just like being clothed is not a deterrent; therefore, it cannot be advised or applied as a deterrent.
Laws are written to the advisement and deterrence of offenders - not the victims. Therefore, it is most judicious to outline to offenders what the offense constitutes (which is what law typically does.)
There are nude and topless beaches... even in the US. bathing suits with full buttocks out.
Colleges have co-ed bathrooms - one large area with many showers for all sexes to share simultaneously -same for military in contingency environments.
As the car theft example...Being rich and flaunting money does not give another person the right to rob someone. Is being poor a deterrent for robbery? Is hiding your wealth?
Personal freedoms adapted and lessened to help criminals? To lower the criminal prospect and temptation? To what end?
Psychology of rape is power.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/health/men-rape-sexual-assault.amp.html% 3f0p19G=2870
These personal property examples are a triffle cause one's person: mental and physical health can not be given a value it's so fundamental.
Sex-worker rights are still being fought. I personally do not believe that being a sex-worker warrants rape. In this is the main deviation from the examples of crimes of personal property.... and crimes against one's person. Because, I do not care about a robber being robbed - no one does.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-women-rape-trfn-idUSKBN1XF1QE
Posted by PhantumPosted by Pandora101Posted by Phantum
In my opinion the question should not be "what can men or people in general get away with?" It should be, "what constitutes being a normal, healthy, sexual person and how do I not violate other people?"
actually, the original question was something like: it is the same rape, if someone offers themselves or the person get raped accidentally
You're wanting to redefine rape so that some women's rapes don't count and are instead blamed on them. Why?
I suspect that you don't approve of the way certain women behave, and so you want to keep this stone age form of vigilantism alive, where men teach women "a lesson" via rape.click to expand
why? i dont want women to be and/or feel like victims, if they dont choose to be ones themselves
Posted by AntiphatesPosted by Pandora101Posted by Antiphates
Finding a working defintiojn of what is and entails rape and what isn't is indeed actually a lot harder than it might intuitively seem to be.
For both of the cases you stated I'd say it's rape as long as a refusal was articulated. In that sense the circumstances are irrelevant to the matter. On the other hand we could argue that the circumstances are in fact relevant because the women might be too frightened to voice her protest.
Per defintion it will be hard to be seen as rape while our intution clearly would say it is.
Another case would be one where the intital sex was consensual and already 95% with the men about to ejaculate and the women withdraws her consent seconds before the ejaculation. Per defintion it might be seen as rape because the women was harmed in the sense of having to endure something she didn't want.
And those cases aren't even about the legal nightmare that the whole thing is. The last case could easily be seen as a legal rape case with evidence.
Then there is the general issue of how you prove the protest if the two people were alone when protest and rape happended. It's practically impossible to determine it from a legal perspective.
I just want to say to our girls, you take responsibility. If you want sex, go for it, but dont make a scene about rape, if you didnt get, what you wanted
tell your daughters this, it will be more beneficial than the "no is no at any time, even during the intercourse" nonsense. Sign your girls up to self-defense classes, so they can parade naked in parties unattached, if that is what you want (not you, generally)
how many of your girls are attending self-defence classes? if you say them its okey to say no during the intercourse and then cry rape, it would be more beneficial for their mental health to fight the "pig" off, if they REALLY didnt want it
That might be fitting reaction to an enviroment where rape is an almost daily occurance but it's something that can severly impact your enjoyment of life.
The real goal, I think, is to end up having a society were the number of rapes is very low or, at best, isn't even a thing outside of the occasional odd cases of misunderstanding.click to expand
"The real goal, I think, is to end up having a society were the number of rapes is very low or, at best, isn't even a thing outside of the occasional odd cases of misunderstandingů
the real goal is to end women being and feeling like victims all the time, imho (admittedly, not everyone´s goal. What will the whiners do if victimhood is erased?)
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I don’t know why my desire to have so many children in the future is so strong when I can’t even tolerate my husband’s 4 year old niece. Sure she’s cute and says all the adorable right things like I’m her favorite princess. She even bullies my husband whi
Is it about expressing your feelings? When called on it, do you deny it?
What’s your moon sign?
I don’t. I’m an aqua moon. 🤷♀️
By the number and tone of the posts, it sounded pretty serious, so I just wanted to hear tour thoughts.
Are you happier?
Sadder?
Has your lame leg been miraculously healed?
Please share.
@nikkistar since you're named. Thread not intended as an
Just for anyone that wants to talk about themselves, share a story, literally anything. I just wanna talk to people and i know there's some people who have things they'd like to share but can't find the right time to draw up a conversation. Here's your ou
Eventually your body tries to tell you it’s poison. At what point do you listen? Is anyone here sober? Either by choice, religion or necessity? The longer I delve into a WFPB diet, the harder it is to ignore all those signals. I’d love to hear your storie
I am here for you. Tell of all that ails thy soul. All problems are welcome :D
I haven't looked up who he actually killed, but was happy at the thought of him killing child molesters who would probably be let loose again, while he sat in prison for 1 murder for the rest of his life.
Inmate confesses killing 2 molesters in letter t
I'm always looking for new hobbies and activities to try so ..
What do you guys like to do?
Just for Valentine’s Day ❤️I’d like to offer one card readings for anyone interested. My clients and friends seem to love this deck.
Please leave a question and I’ll do as many as time and energy allows me
One reading per person
https://tshop.r10s.jp/
I really would like to here from men on this, but if there is women who like to hear about guys sex life please tell why. There is this guy who wants me to tell him about all my sex adventures. Why would he want to know? Do some people get off on that?
Is being passionate about things good? Or are you just crazy?
Too lazy to create drama at her face so I write it here,
So around my workplace neighborhood, a complex area which has stores in it, I noticed there was this particular store that offer tarot reading. Despite being interested, I've never checked it out.
I've always been introverted so I've always kept around only a few close friends at a time. One of them used to be my best friend since middle school. I've seen her go through all her phases, the ugly, religious, popular, fancy, slutty, etc you name it an
Let’s say you have a family member - specifically your grandfather - who has chosen to be a miserable pile of shit his entire life and alienated himself from his family (including his grandchildren and great-grandchildren who have done nothing to him) des
So if 80's teens had tik tok or other soc media stuff what would they have posted?
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At the train station. She briefly looked me in the eye like she knew me from somewhere. I also only realized she was a dxper like 5 min later lol
I legitimately haven’t been on here in ages.
How’s your 2020 going so far?
This January has sucked some major nonsense for me.
I’ve been taking this guy more serious lately. I’ve known him for more than 7 years, however we’ve recently announced to one another the attraction and feelings we have for eachother.
There’s some serious intense sexual energy between us and yesterday w
@nikkistar
Congratulations on your special day and wishing you both a very happy future together
💗💗
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My question is, is there a difference between people who get raped just going home at a dark alley by random predators and between people who offered the: "I am here for you honey, I do whatever you like" type of rape?
If you offer sex, you are not raped. If you not invite this in your life by saying you do anything, you are raped.
Or?
I mean, you can wear sexy outfit, it doesnt mean you want sexual intercourse.
If you say: I will do anything (in a place designed for it), it invites a very possible intercourse, so why cry rape? more money?
thoughts?