@ianthezuvis
9 Years
reverting to Islam..
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Hey man what's up? What was your old username again?
I converted to Islam about a year ago, people tend to make a big deal about it which I believe mainly due to media and stereotyping.
Why? Because I can and got interested. Wasn't like i was a devout Catholic anyway.
Reverting ? ?
Yeah, reverting..
Posted by Berzerker
If i say my thoughts about islam i will be banned
What do you know about Islam?
IantheFish! Yes, long time my friend,
Posted by ianthezuvis
any thoughts?Interesting.
Why do you want to revert to Islam
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It makes more sense to have direct relationship with Allah.. as apposed to relationship with a prophet..
Jesus (pbuh). You don't "revert". You weren't born Muslim and then led astray. People aren't born with religion, they're taught it.
Posted by sultrykitty
Jesus (pbuh). You don't "revert". You weren't born Muslim and then led astray. People aren't born with religion, they're taught it.
Wrong.
Posted by sultrykitty
Jesus (pbuh). You don't "revert". You weren't born Muslim and then led astray. People aren't born with religion, they're taught it.Wrong.
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OK then, explain exactly how a newborn is Muslim. Do they face east to pray? Do they fast for Ramadan? Do they say the shahada?
The last prophet.. also all the prophets before.. from Jesus to Adam..
Posted by sultrykitty
Jesus (pbuh). You don't "revert". You weren't born Muslim and then led astray. People aren't born with religion, they're taught it.Wrong.
OK then, explain exactly how a newborn is Muslim. Do they face east to pray? Do they fast for Ramadan? Do they say the shahada?
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Everyone and everything is born Muslim in Islam.
Posted by sultrykitty
Jesus (pbuh). You don't "revert". You weren't born Muslim and then led astray. People aren't born with religion, they're taught it.Wrong.
OK then, explain exactly how a newborn is Muslim. Do they face east to pray? Do they fast for Ramadan? Do they say the shahada?
Everyone and everything is born Muslim in Islam.
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What are the five pillars?
And explain how a baby fulfills them.
You can just accept Islam, just like the Quran accepts there was a prophet called Jesus.
I'm no expert on Islam...
This is just dialect...
Posted by ianthezuvis
I'm no expert on Islam...This is just dialect...
Logic is your friend. Apply it.
And here I am.. applying it..
Islam is very simple, and it is more forgiving and flexible than people think. Resorting to trick questions catch somebody out is pointless, anyone can pay that game.
I'm not seeing much, actually.
How long have you been looking into it? Who has been teaching you?
Must be a christian.
Posted by AA
Islam is very simple, and it is more forgiving and flexible than people think. Resorting to trick questions catch somebody out is pointless, anyone can pay that game.
These aren't trick questions. They're simple questions that require the one being asked to apply simple logic.
Posted by ianthezuvis
Must be a christian.
Not quite in the sense that you think. Sure, I'd much rather follow Jesus than Muhammad, but I don't really believe in a whole lot of what traditional Christians believe.
But this isn't about me, it's about you wanting to convert and not really knowing why.
Muslims don't follow Muhammad.. they follow Allah..
Who the fuck do you think you are to question my reasoning to religion...
The understanding of Muhammads life is important though...
Posted by AA
Islam is very simple, and it is more forgiving and flexible than people think. Resorting to trick questions catch somebody out is pointless, anyone can pay that game.These aren't trick questions. They're simple questions that require the one being asked to apply simple logic.
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That's fair.
Have you googled?
How does one fast during Ramadan when they NEED to eat due to illness? Answer, you can eat, if you have intention and good will on the mind.
How does one pray when it is physically impossible? You can in mind with intention and good will.
Posted by ianthezuvis
Muslims don't follow Muhammad.. they follow Allah..
Muslims follow Muhammad, end of. You have to accept that Allah speaks through Muhammad, that every command was relayed through him. That's why you have proscribed prayers, halal requirements, essentially Jewish Law (although somewhat corrupted), specific required recitations, ablution, etc. Allah didn't tell anyone but Muhammad to do these things. So you follow Muhammad.
The Quran is a direct unadulterated message from God..
Posted by AA
Islam is very simple, and it is more forgiving and flexible than people think. Resorting to trick questions catch somebody out is pointless, anyone can pay that game.These aren't trick questions. They're simple questions that require the one being asked to apply simple logic.
That's fair.
Have you googled?
How does one fast during Ramadan when they NEED to eat due to illness? Answer, you can eat, if you have intention and good will on the mind.
How does one pray when it is physically impossible? You can in mind with intention and good will.
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I didn't need to Google, studied Islam on my own for about about 10 years. From Islamic sources.
And yes, I'm aware of the things you mention. That doesn't absolve one of yhe requirements, only that you do it when you can.
Yes you have to accept that Muhammad was the last prophet.. that good spoke through him.
God*
Posted by sultrykitty
Jesus (pbuh). You don't "revert". You weren't born Muslim and then led astray. People aren't born with religion, they're taught it.Wrong.
OK then, explain exactly how a newborn is Muslim. Do they face east to pray? Do they fast for Ramadan? Do they say the shahada?
The father or a family elder will first whisper the call to prayer (adhan) in the baby's ear, shortly after it's birth.
This is one of the first thing, that Muslim will do.
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Ergo, not born Muslim. :-)
My thoughts are that religions aren't that different at their core
It all points back to the same god - just different interpretations and approaches due to culture and language
If you relate to Islam, great ??
Posted by ianthezuvis
The Quran is a direct unadulterated message from God..
Not complete though.
Posted by ianthezuvis
Yes you have to accept that Muhammad was the last prophet.. that good spoke through him.
Just like Christians have to accept that God spoke through Jesus
It's not that different !
Same characters, same themes, different story telling
Ok.
Posted by ianthezuvis
any thoughts?
Is that like backsliding?
Posted by brianafay
My thoughts are that religions aren't that different at their coreIt all points back to the same god - just different interpretations and approaches due to culture and language
If you relate to Islam, great ??
That's a logical and intelligent theory, thought a lot about that one myself 🙂
Posted by ianthezuvis
any thoughts?Is that like backsliding?
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I don't understand
Posted by brianafay
My thoughts are that religions aren't that different at their coreIt all points back to the same god - just different interpretations and approaches due to culture and language
If you relate to Islam, great ??
That's a logical and intelligent theory, thought a lot about that one myself 🙂
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It's why I cannot be an atheist
Too much of the same story told different ways for me to discount it
Posted by sultrykitty
Jesus (pbuh). You don't "revert". You weren't born Muslim and then led astray. People aren't born with religion, they're taught it.Wrong.
OK then, explain exactly how a newborn is Muslim. Do they face east to pray? Do they fast for Ramadan? Do they say the shahada?
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Don't bother. Religion & logic have never gotten along. He's lost the plot, just step away slowly and let him live out the rest of his life in blissful ignorance.
Posted by ianthezuvis
any thoughts?
Why?
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Posted by sultrykitty
Jesus (pbuh). You don't "revert". You weren't born Muslim and then led astray. People aren't born with religion, they're taught it.Wrong.
OK then, explain exactly how a newborn is Muslim. Do they face east to pray? Do they fast for Ramadan? Do they say the shahada?
Don't bother. Religion & logic have never gotten along. He's lost the plot, just step away slowly and let him live out the rest of his life in blissful ignorance.
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Lol sometimes I can't help myself. Call me crazy, it's kind of fun. I must have a masochistic streak. 😄
Posted by ianthezuvis
any thoughts?Is that like backsliding?
I don't understand
Maybe because you used the word "reverting"?
I am still confused because I thought it would be "converting".
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I used the word revert on purpose...
Posted by ianthezuvis
any thoughts?Why?
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It makes more sense than christianity?
Posted by ianthezuvis
any thoughts?Is that like backsliding?
I don't understand
Maybe because you used the word "reverting"?
I am still confused because I thought it would be "converting".
I used the word revert on purpose...
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Because you've practiced Islam before ?
Posted by ianthezuvis
any thoughts?Why?
It makes more sense than christianity?
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I think she meant why are you asking for people's thoughts ? It's your personal journey
You ok?
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Posted by sultrykitty
Jesus (pbuh). You don't "revert". You weren't born Muslim and then led astray. People aren't born with religion, they're taught it.Wrong.
OK then, explain exactly how a newborn is Muslim. Do they face east to pray? Do they fast for Ramadan? Do they say the shahada?
Don't bother. Religion & logic have never gotten along. He's lost the plot, just step away slowly and let him live out the rest of his life in blissful ignorance.
Lol sometimes I can't help myself. Call me crazy, it's kind of fun. I must have a masochistic streak. 😄
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You probably have a fire Mars like me lol. Gross stupidity triggers me.
Has anyone looked up the definition of revert?
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