Shady activity next door

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Our office building management recently changed during the pandemic and a lot of small businesses left because they couldn’t pay rent. Then came our new office suite neighbors. Credit counseling services…. There seemed to have been so many employees stuffed in the suite. They were loud and out in the halls of our floor building loitering, even directly in front of our office suite. After months of complaints from nearly everyone, they somewhat stopped being loud but the loitering still continues. After more businesses left on our floor, they expanded and took over a 2nd suite and it honestly looks like a straight up shell company. None of us doubt drug dealing goes on inside. Then there's another business that just recently left our floor. They’ll be taking over that suite too! Our office suite has been tied to our business for over 25 years so it’s hard to consider moving. We considered going to a different floor but the suites are much smaller for higher rent.. Now my dad (I work for him) knows someone who works for the property management company for these office buildings. Even that person is aware the people next door to us are involved in shady/illegal activities. It’s so blatantly obvious to all building tenants that this is going on with approvals and blind eyes from multiple levels. Wtf does one do about something like this?
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Posted by ATGR

Anonymous tip to your relevant law enforcement agency.

The only issue is there's only one other business besides us left on our floor that they'd suspect as reporting them and we just don't want it to ever bite us back cause they seem like they'd be the type to... And it turns out they've actually taken over nearly half the floor of the building as well as some suites upstairs 😠 Clearly they've got way too much money and control. Management has also been very desperate to have them since there's a lot of empty suites.
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What do you have against pharmacies?

Only the ones disguised as shoe stores!

Aside from loitering have any of you actually seen any drug dealing or illegal activity occur?

And it’s not loitering when they rent half the building.
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They don't rent half the building, they rent like 33-40% of our floor but instead of loitering on their side, they like to do it in front of our suite/business specifically very often. Not our fault all their suite views from their front doors are shit, maybe if they paid more per suite, they'd get the better ones.

And no I haven't seen anything directly because I've never went inside their suites. I'm sure they don't rent so much to do it out in the open.
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Good opportunity for a partnership

I can't stand them. There's one specific person who literally loiters so much out in the halls that every time they see me they yell out my name. I only introduced myself out of courtesy as their office suite neighbor after they stopped me to give some kind comments. I don't even remember that guy's name and always forget how his face looks so it's very disturbing.
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"There's one specific person who literally loiters so much out in the halls that every time they see me they yell out my name"

That's the lookout.

Holy shit. I didn't even realize that's exactly what it could be. It makes sense why they're pushing to make it seem like I'm cool with them and shit. Especially cause we're a law firm (but don't do criminal cases lol).
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Anonymous tip to your relevant law enforcement agency.

The only issue is there's only one other business besides us left on our floor that they'd suspect as reporting them and we just don't want it to ever bite us back cause they seem like they'd be the type to... And it turns out they've actually taken over nearly half the floor of the building as well as some suites upstairs 😠 Clearly they've got way too much money and control. Management has also been very desperate to have them since there's a lot of empty suites.

More likely to be one of the ones they left to report them. I’d imagine if they were to look into the company they’d do it covertly at first / looking at records.
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But they'd have to mention to them how they were reported before they investigate them. I honestly have very little faith in law enforcement doing their job right. The attorney says he's had similar people move into their building at his other office location and they suddenly disappeared after a year for unknown reasons. Our only other option might be to ride it out until their scammed customers report them enough I guess.
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What do you have against pharmacies?

Only the ones disguised as shoe stores!

Aside from loitering have any of you actually seen any drug dealing or illegal activity occur?

And it’s not loitering when they rent half the building.

They don't rent half the building, they rent like 33-40% of our floor but instead of loitering on their side, they like to do it in front of our suite/business specifically very often. Not our fault all their suite views from their front doors are shit, maybe if they paid more per suite, they'd get the better ones.

And no I haven't seen anything directly because I've never went inside their suites. I'm sure they don't rent so much to do it out in the open.
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Semantics.

Point is they are renters and hallways fall into common area that all tenants can access and use.

You call it loitering, but in the eyes of the tenant agreements its really not. And since ya'll been there for 35 yrs I can almost guarantee as new tenants they are paying much more per sf than you are. Which only means that in the eyes of the landlord their lease is more valuable, literally, then your lease.

There is an easy solution to this. Mount a camera outside your door. Doesn't even need to be operational.

If people are taking personal calls, smoke break (assuming hallways are open air), or contemplating throwing themselves from over the railing they will most likely choose to do so outside a door that doesn't have camera surveillance.

You could also go directly to the manager/head honcho of the new business and tell them your clients have been complaining about the hallways being crowded. And with these new covid variants you want to make sure not to scare off what clients you do have.
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Without their business who knows what would've happened with the building. Commercial real-estate is taking a huge hit rn. Depending on the owners finances he may have to sell to keep from foreclosure if he isn't bringing in enough rental income.

It will suck to have to change offices after 35 yrs in the same location with a grandfathered rate I'm assuming.

New owner would hike up the rent astronomically and/or evict older tenants so they can get top dollar. Or develop the space entirely.

Either way the owner is probably thrilled that after loosing so many tenants during covid they now have one solid tenant renting a good portion of their building. Bringing "they loiter in the hallways" complaints probably won't be that fruitful in the way you hope.
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Had to Google loiter, so tnx for making me learn a new English word. I think You should take a bit of what they are offering and mind your own business ( figuratively and literally ) because if You do something, You'll just get in trouble. Reporting them won't bring You much because most landlords care for the money, especially if they can't be prosecuted. You are not sure if your assumptions about them are right, and even if You were - you don't know how powerful they are. If they bother you, it's best to drop in and tell them that they are affecting your business...in a neighbourly way...if it doesn't work, stop by and tell them that you want to put cameras and ask them if they would like to go halvesies on installing...if they decline You'll know something fishy is up and they'll know that they have to wander and ponder somewhere else
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What do you have against pharmacies?

Only the ones disguised as shoe stores!

Aside from loitering have any of you actually seen any drug dealing or illegal activity occur?

And it’s not loitering when they rent half the building.

They don't rent half the building, they rent like 33-40% of our floor but instead of loitering on their side, they like to do it in front of our suite/business specifically very often. Not our fault all their suite views from their front doors are shit, maybe if they paid more per suite, they'd get the better ones.

And no I haven't seen anything directly because I've never went inside their suites. I'm sure they don't rent so much to do it out in the open.

Semantics.

Point is they are renters and hallways fall into common area that all tenants can access and use.

You call it loitering, but in the eyes of the tenant agreements its really not. And since ya'll been there for 35 yrs I can almost guarantee as new tenants they are paying much more per sf than you are. Which only means that in the eyes of the landlord their lease is more valuable, literally, then your lease.

There is an easy solution to this. Mount a camera outside your door. Doesn't even need to be operational.

If people are taking personal calls, smoke break (assuming hallways are open air), or contemplating throwing themselves from over the railing they will most likely choose to do so outside a door that doesn't have camera surveillance.

You could also go directly to the manager/head honcho of the new business and tell them your clients have been complaining about the hallways being crowded. And with these new covid variants you want to make sure not to scare off what clients you do have.

The world is changing and some of us are not used to changes

Also seems like it could be a costumer service like call rep center. Those people always loiter and smoke and talk loudly idk why. At least in my experience
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Look I get it. The attorney next door sometimes is way too excited and I can hear him yelling thru the wall. And he smokes and stinks up the elevator.

Such is the life communal office buildings. You grin and bare it. Bear it? Well one of those 😆

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Posted by hydorah

the new owner is probably complicit in the business

Sadly drug dealing is driving the economy in the west and noone is going to do anything about it. So unless you can lock them inside and set fire to the building there's nothing to do. I'd recomend moving to a different building, nobody cares about your 25 years in the same building

Definitely management is complicit
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What do you have against pharmacies?

Only the ones disguised as shoe stores!

Aside from loitering have any of you actually seen any drug dealing or illegal activity occur?

And it’s not loitering when they rent half the building.

They don't rent half the building, they rent like 33-40% of our floor but instead of loitering on their side, they like to do it in front of our suite/business specifically very often. Not our fault all their suite views from their front doors are shit, maybe if they paid more per suite, they'd get the better ones.

And no I haven't seen anything directly because I've never went inside their suites. I'm sure they don't rent so much to do it out in the open.

Semantics.

Point is they are renters and hallways fall into common area that all tenants can access and use.

You call it loitering, but in the eyes of the tenant agreements its really not. And since ya'll been there for 35 yrs I can almost guarantee as new tenants they are paying much more per sf than you are. Which only means that in the eyes of the landlord their lease is more valuable, literally, then your lease.

There is an easy solution to this. Mount a camera outside your door. Doesn't even need to be operational.

If people are taking personal calls, smoke break (assuming hallways are open air), or contemplating throwing themselves from over the railing they will most likely choose to do so outside a door that doesn't have camera surveillance.

You could also go directly to the manager/head honcho of the new business and tell them your clients have been complaining about the hallways being crowded. And with these new covid variants you want to make sure not to scare off what clients you do have.
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Need to know if placing a camera outside is legal. If so will do it fosho
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What do you have against pharmacies?

Only the ones disguised as shoe stores!

Aside from loitering have any of you actually seen any drug dealing or illegal activity occur?

And it’s not loitering when they rent half the building.

They don't rent half the building, they rent like 33-40% of our floor but instead of loitering on their side, they like to do it in front of our suite/business specifically very often. Not our fault all their suite views from their front doors are shit, maybe if they paid more per suite, they'd get the better ones.

And no I haven't seen anything directly because I've never went inside their suites. I'm sure they don't rent so much to do it out in the open.

Semantics.

Point is they are renters and hallways fall into common area that all tenants can access and use.

You call it loitering, but in the eyes of the tenant agreements its really not. And since ya'll been there for 35 yrs I can almost guarantee as new tenants they are paying much more per sf than you are. Which only means that in the eyes of the landlord their lease is more valuable, literally, then your lease.

There is an easy solution to this. Mount a camera outside your door. Doesn't even need to be operational.

If people are taking personal calls, smoke break (assuming hallways are open air), or contemplating throwing themselves from over the railing they will most likely choose to do so outside a door that doesn't have camera surveillance.

You could also go directly to the manager/head honcho of the new business and tell them your clients have been complaining about the hallways being crowded. And with these new covid variants you want to make sure not to scare off what clients you do have.

The world is changing and some of us are not used to changes

Also seems like it could be a costumer service like call rep center. Those people always loiter and smoke and talk loudly idk why. At least in my experience
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That is exactly how they are!! They are like a call center and bring their convos outside on their cellphones out in the hall in front of our business. They also stink up the elevators with their smoking even tho it's a non-smoking building.
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What do you have against pharmacies?

Only the ones disguised as shoe stores!

Aside from loitering have any of you actually seen any drug dealing or illegal activity occur?

And it’s not loitering when they rent half the building.

They don't rent half the building, they rent like 33-40% of our floor but instead of loitering on their side, they like to do it in front of our suite/business specifically very often. Not our fault all their suite views from their front doors are shit, maybe if they paid more per suite, they'd get the better ones.

And no I haven't seen anything directly because I've never went inside their suites. I'm sure they don't rent so much to do it out in the open.

Semantics.

Point is they are renters and hallways fall into common area that all tenants can access and use.

You call it loitering, but in the eyes of the tenant agreements its really not. And since ya'll been there for 35 yrs I can almost guarantee as new tenants they are paying much more per sf than you are. Which only means that in the eyes of the landlord their lease is more valuable, literally, then your lease.

There is an easy solution to this. Mount a camera outside your door. Doesn't even need to be operational.

If people are taking personal calls, smoke break (assuming hallways are open air), or contemplating throwing themselves from over the railing they will most likely choose to do so outside a door that doesn't have camera surveillance.

You could also go directly to the manager/head honcho of the new business and tell them your clients have been complaining about the hallways being crowded. And with these new covid variants you want to make sure not to scare off what clients you do have.

Need to know if placing a camera outside is legal. If so will do it fosho
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It is in my state as long as it’s a front door and your monitoring the foot traffic in and out. Can’t, for example, mount cameras to film your neighbors back yard or anywhere someone has a right to privacy aka private space like a bathroom. Common hallway area seems fair game.

Get landlords permission/blessing. If they ask why tell em that your packages have been going missing and you want to monitor their arrival 😉