Baby Dastardly
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The Rise of Try-Hard Culture
I think some people want that sense of vindication you know? Like their voice matters in sea of other voices.
Posted by Fanta
The rise of Dark Triad culture? I don't know. Are people not nurturing their children like, at all, anymore? Too many broken little tink-tinks.
too busy having to work five jobs and party after to smother the pain.
Posted by FantaPosted by jezzyboo21Posted by Fanta
The rise of Dark Triad culture? I don't know. Are people not nurturing their children like, at all, anymore? Too many broken little tink-tinks.
too busy having to work five jobs and party after to smother the pain.
Maybe. Maybe the parents are broken too. I think the internet must play a role too. It allows us to detach from people while communicating with them...there must be a societal impact.click to expand
I guess we could destroy the internet or change our western ideals of what perfect is and satisfying.
The art of seduction is a really good book.. I’m not tricky enough to employ any of the tactics. I think it’s worth a read though bc it helped me to see the manipulation that others will try to use
TRUMP FOR 2020.
Very low self esteem
Posted by jezzyboo21Posted by FantaPosted by jezzyboo21Posted by Fanta
The rise of Dark Triad culture? I don't know. Are people not nurturing their children like, at all, anymore? Too many broken little tink-tinks.
too busy having to work five jobs and party after to smother the pain.
Maybe. Maybe the parents are broken too. I think the internet must play a role too. It allows us to detach from people while communicating with them...there must be a societal impact.
I guess we could destroy the internet or change our western ideals of what perfect is and satisfying.click to expand
Totally off subject but as a society going through this "pandemic " its forcing parents to be home and work 1 on 1 with their kids to be their teacher, and not take them out all the time for play dates and outings.. I feel like we are making a slow curve towards older traditional ways/values.. and I see so many people now working on their yards, biking, taking walks, people I've never seen out before are now starting to disconnect from the internet and find solace in their solitude.. bc we have no other choice... a huge positive impact will occur from a horrible situation.
Posted by Dastard2020
Ever notice how most narrators and content creators discussing subjects like seduction, manipulation, machiavellianism or any topic promoting the acquisition of power at the expense of others, sound like aspiring evil masterminds who are actually severely neurotic people attempting to compensate for a myriad of personal inadequacies?
Somebody online recommended that I check out the work of Robert Greene and other authors and gurus whose content encourage a similar mindset. There seems to be a broad audience interest in those topics, which I think is both concerning and pathetic. What is your take on all of this?
people are interested in those topics because nowadays nobody is taught about power anywhere, so they don't understand it, worse, they are taught lies and moral BS as a creed.
so many guys feel (rightfully so) that the "game" is rigged against them, yet that's against all they where taught while growing, they're looking for answers, and a clear path to move in the natural hierarchy of society, but is all for naught, specially following those charlatans, they are desperate, couldn't say for sure they are neurotic, but yes, they feel inadequate in their life, and they're looking for ways to change that.
but manipulation is not power and cannot be taught, it must be learned instinctively, and understood rationally.
yo dastard, "try-hard" was a 2017 DXP buzzword.
I've not seen that used in ages, except by romz
I've not seen that used in ages, except by romz
Posted by EndlessPosted by Dastard2020
Ever notice how most narrators and content creators discussing subjects like seduction, manipulation, machiavellianism or any topic promoting the acquisition of power at the expense of others, sound like aspiring evil masterminds who are actually severely neurotic people attempting to compensate for a myriad of personal inadequacies?
Somebody online recommended that I check out the work of Robert Greene and other authors and gurus whose content encourage a similar mindset. There seems to be a broad audience interest in those topics, which I think is both concerning and pathetic. What is your take on all of this?
people are interested in those topics because nowadays nobody is taught about power anywhere, so they don't understand it, worse, they are taught lies and moral BS as a creed.
so many guys feel (rightfully so) that the "game" is rigged against them, yet that's against all they where taught while growing, they're looking for answers, and a clear path to move in the natural hierarchy of society, but is all for naught, specially following those charlatans, they are desperate, couldn't say for sure they are neurotic, but yes, they feel inadequate in their life, and they're looking for ways to change that.
but manipulation is not power and cannot be taught, it must be learned instinctively, and understood rationally.click to expand
The main objections I have to this approach to life is that due to their own inadequacies, their efforts to implement these techniques will fall flat on their faces. And the ones who succeed will ultimately lead themselves down a path to an unfulfilling life.
There is no need to adopt a cynical view of life and debase the value of morality and personal integrity. Manipulation is a fleeting sense of control which pales in contrast to true personal power gained by confidence and security within oneself.
Cultivating self-love, inner peace, and confidence are the only things that can make people cease from going to ridiculous lengths in order to fill a void of perceived powerlessness.
Posted by CreativeCap
The art of seduction is a really good book.. I’m not tricky enough to employ any of the tactics. I think it’s worth a read though bc it helped me to see the manipulation that others will try to use
If most people were to discover that their partner read that book and used the techniques listed in it to entice them into a relationship, they would lose enough respect and attraction to continue the relationship. Even feel contemptous towards said person, as such behavior reeks of desperation.
Posted by hydorah
yo dastard, "try-hard" was a 2017 DXP buzzword.
I've not seen that used in ages, except by romz
But you still try so hard 🤷🏻♀️
Posted by Antiphates
500 years later and people still don't get Machiavelli.
I'm beginning to understand why most ENTP end up looking very grumpy to some.
I never read Macciavelli but I want to, can you elaborate, what are common misconceptions?
Posted by Dastard2020Posted by EndlessPosted by Dastard2020
Ever notice how most narrators and content creators discussing subjects like seduction, manipulation, machiavellianism or any topic promoting the acquisition of power at the expense of others, sound like aspiring evil masterminds who are actually severely neurotic people attempting to compensate for a myriad of personal inadequacies?
Somebody online recommended that I check out the work of Robert Greene and other authors and gurus whose content encourage a similar mindset. There seems to be a broad audience interest in those topics, which I think is both concerning and pathetic. What is your take on all of this?
people are interested in those topics because nowadays nobody is taught about power anywhere, so they don't understand it, worse, they are taught lies and moral BS as a creed.
so many guys feel (rightfully so) that the "game" is rigged against them, yet that's against all they where taught while growing, they're looking for answers, and a clear path to move in the natural hierarchy of society, but is all for naught, specially following those charlatans, they are desperate, couldn't say for sure they are neurotic, but yes, they feel inadequate in their life, and they're looking for ways to change that.
but manipulation is not power and cannot be taught, it must be learned instinctively, and understood rationally.
The main objections I have to this approach to life is that due to their own inadequacies, their efforts to implement these techniques will fall flat on their faces. And the ones who succeed will ultimately lead themselves down a path to an unfulfilling life.
There is no need to adopt a cynical view of life and debase the value of morality and personal integrity. Manipulation is a fleeting sense of control which pales in contrast to true personal power gained by confidence and security within oneself.
Cultivating self-love, inner peace, and confidence are the only things that can make people cease from going to ridiculous lengths in order to fill a void of perceived powerlessness.click to expand
if someone perceive themself as powerless, they probably are, whatever they could change that is a different discussion, however I never saw 'power' in such definition so, Idk.
different people have different ends that could fulfill their lives, an extroverted wouldn't feel fulfilled with the life of an introverted, no matter how right that sounds, if people are looking for those videos there's clearly something they desire, and if they looking for it outwardly, is probably something a self/inner anything wouldn't fill.
manipulation is a tool a mean you use on others, and so is power, I don't know why you go on about personal security in the same paragraph.
the problem I see, is that they see power or manipulations as a goal, just like many people see money as a goal, that's why many millionaires are unhappy, and others are happy, if you wanted the money to explore the world and meet different cultures, you can't be happy without the money because you don't have the power to travel in today's world, but the money wasn't your goal, it was a tool to fulfill your goal.
Posted by Dastard2020Posted by TurnedOn
TRUMP FOR 2020.
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TRUMP FOR 2020.
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I hate to burst your bubble, but I'm a complex human being. We all are. Our pussies aren't just out there for consumption.
The oldest profession in the world may shine a different light.... IJS
Prostitutes are consenting (and when they're not; that's not prostitution; it's a crime). The people in the OP are looking to use underhanded means to get things out of people, mostly women, as if they are objects, not people with their own desires, needs, lives, etc.
Oh, I didnt realise they were talking about rape. I thought it was exploitation between the sexes. I really didn't watch any of the shit about PUA or the like.
I'm not talking about rape, necessarily. I'm talking about victimizing people vs. paying people for sex.
I honestly havent watched any of those videos and wont since they're so damn long (I'm gonna assume it's the same shit that gets peddled to the same sexually frustrated audience as the Alpha shit), but who is getting victimized and how? And how does it differ from the articles in 90% of women's magazines that talk about "gettin yo man", or the videos on YouTube that's the same shit only reversed sex?
Honestly, I think we live in a try hard society. I think there is an attempt at manipulation in some form or fashion every day, all day long. Then the army of virtue signalers created carry on with the war.
I refuse to be shamed for wanting to do better and expecting better of people than manipulating others and trying to gain power over them, which is the way the OP framed this discussion.click to expand
Exactly.
Posted by MyStarsShine
Very low self esteem
That is why they are trying to be somebody they are not. Hoping to also get a new self-esteem by assuming a new identity instead of working on the underlying issues that are causing them to have a low self-esteem.
Posted by EndlessPosted by Dastard2020Posted by EndlessPosted by Dastard2020
Ever notice how most narrators and content creators discussing subjects like seduction, manipulation, machiavellianism or any topic promoting the acquisition of power at the expense of others, sound like aspiring evil masterminds who are actually severely neurotic people attempting to compensate for a myriad of personal inadequacies?
Somebody online recommended that I check out the work of Robert Greene and other authors and gurus whose content encourage a similar mindset. There seems to be a broad audience interest in those topics, which I think is both concerning and pathetic. What is your take on all of this?
people are interested in those topics because nowadays nobody is taught about power anywhere, so they don't understand it, worse, they are taught lies and moral BS as a creed.
so many guys feel (rightfully so) that the "game" is rigged against them, yet that's against all they where taught while growing, they're looking for answers, and a clear path to move in the natural hierarchy of society, but is all for naught, specially following those charlatans, they are desperate, couldn't say for sure they are neurotic, but yes, they feel inadequate in their life, and they're looking for ways to change that.
but manipulation is not power and cannot be taught, it must be learned instinctively, and understood rationally.
The main objections I have to this approach to life is that due to their own inadequacies, their efforts to implement these techniques will fall flat on their faces. And the ones who succeed will ultimately lead themselves down a path to an unfulfilling life.
There is no need to adopt a cynical view of life and debase the value of morality and personal integrity. Manipulation is a fleeting sense of control which pales in contrast to true personal power gained by confidence and security within oneself.
Cultivating self-love, inner peace, and confidence are the only things that can make people cease from going to ridiculous lengths in order to fill a void of perceived powerlessness.
if someone perceive themself as powerless, they probably are, whatever they could change that is a different discussion, however I never saw 'power' in such definition so, Idk.
different people have different ends that could fulfill their lives, an extroverted wouldn't feel fulfilled with the life of an introverted, no matter how right that sounds, if people are looking for those videos there's clearly something they desire, and if they looking for it outwardly, is probably something a self/inner anything wouldn't fill.
manipulation is a tool a mean you use on others, and so is power, I don't know why you go on about personal security in the same paragraph.
the problem I see, is that they see power or manipulations as a goal, just like many people see money as a goal, that's why many millionaires are unhappy, and others are happy, if you wanted the money to explore the world and meet different cultures, you can't be happy without the money because you don't have the power to travel in today's world, but the money wasn't your goal, it was a tool to fulfill your goal.click to expand
No, no, no, and no.
Perception is not objective reality. Whatever they could do to change their circumstances is not a different discussion, and is also proof of having power over their own lives. The approach taken to ease the subjective discomfort is the determining factor in the success or lack thereof in achieving lasting satisfaction.
While it is generally true and accepted that different people have different ends that could fulfill their lives, that does not apply to what is being discussed. The examples you provided do not deal with moral decisions, making them irrelevant and a fallacious argument from analogy. What you wrote conveys an implicit agreement with morally incorrect choices under the false presumption that said choices are a matter of personal preference, outside of a moral context.
You also stated, if people are looking for those videos there's clearly something they desire. By that logic, women with daddy issues should give in to promiscuous impulses stemming from childhood neglect, bullies should act upon their desire to bully others, drug addicts should indulge their cravings for drugs and so forth. Yes, those are extreme examples but my point remains valid; the pursuit of superficial, unexamined desires hardly ever leads to lasting fulfillment.
People are essentially the same on the inside. With the exclusion of sociopaths, most humans crave love and acceptance from themselves and from others but are lead astray in their pursuit of happiness by their own unexamined, compensatory desires. Such desires always involve having the external world reflect something that they believe will improve their self-concept. What type of self-concept they have is determined by how it measures up to the values unconsciously acquired throughout life. Such mental mechanism seeks to compensate for any perceived lack they have experienced in a very straightforward manner, seldom healthy or ideal.
Manipulation, at least in the context in which it has been used on this thread, is an underhanded tactic employed to gain control and a sense of power over others. People who are secure within themselves don't crave to feel more powerful than they already are, especially at the expense of others. I'm unsure as to why you claim not to understand such simple correlation. Unless your intent was to appear technically correct by attempting to argue semantics and pretend to misunderstand what I said, when the context in which the word "manipulation" was being used has been exceedingly clear from the start.
As for your last paragraph about someone wanting money to fulfill a personal aspiration or goal. You seem to be missing the point again and I'm quite baffled by your insistence on blurring the difference between healthy personal wishes without any moral aspects attached and compensatory desires of a morally questionable nature.
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