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What are you talking about?

I'm not discussing exoneration of that officer. I'm addressing specifically what you posted earlier in the thread.
Let me rephrase this then..

How many innocent people must be sacrificed to make sure we get all of the "bad guys"?

Are YOU okay with being sacrificed for the greater good?


I have no idea what you're talking about. Are you ok?

All that is being said here (by *one* of us, anyway) is that it's preferable to simply comply with police requests. You don't know how a police encounter will go for certain (even though it'll probably go fine if you do your part), so even if there's this uncertainty, it's still a good idea to not act like an idiot. Even if you get a charge that you think is unjust it's *still* a good idea to not act like an idiot.

The rest you have no control over. All you can do anything about is what *you* are doing.
You don't get it.. and honestly, I don't expect you to.

Still got mad respect for you. We'll just have to leave it at that.


You really only have two options during a police encounter, no matter your race, gender, how you feel, your past, or what you had for breakfast that day.

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And, the color of your skin, statistically increases your chances of getting killed no matter which option you choose.

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At least if you resist and die..

Your family will get settlement money from your death.
You're measuring money alone... they'll get settlement money but lost a father/husband... why are you even putting a price on a life right now
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But they get to be a Martyr. Those who would have likely remained unknown for all of their lives will now be known forever, fame & fortune for the family. Their families will be taken care of rather through filing a civil suit, receiving millions of dollars that the decedent would have never been able to provide, writing a book, TV interviews, dinner at the White House etc (IE: A better life) .. Which I guess is appealing to those who have low self worth & feel that they have nothing to live for or contribute. "Look at everyone coming out to "protest"/riot just for ME." Finally they're important. Notoriety in death.

I was watching the riots the other night & a young black male was screaming in a cops face "I'm not afraid to die, shoot me" Reminiscent of suicide bombers.
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At least if you resist and die..

Your family will get settlement money from your death.
You're measuring money alone... they'll get settlement money but lost a father/husband... why are you even putting a price on a life right now
But they get to be a Martyr. Those who would have likely remained unknown for all of their lives will now be known forever, fame & fortune for the family. Their families will be taken care of rather through filing a civil suit, receiving millions of dollars that the decedent would have never been able to provide, writing a book, TV interviews, dinner at the White House etc (IE: A better life) .. Which I guess is appealing to those who have low self worth & feel that they have nothing to live for or contribute. "Look at everyone coming out to "protest"/riot just for ME." Finally they're important. Notoriety in death.

I was watching the riots the other night & a young black male was screaming in a cops face "I'm not afraid to die, shoot me" Reminiscent of suicide bombers.

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The tone you have sounds very much like the tone you had in your thread about your sister-in-law and having trouble seeing your newborn niece..."Horns locked: Battle between Taurus & Aries."

You sound like a jealous person in general.

And now, I would have to agree. She just doesn't like you.

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What I don't understand is if they're telling him to fucking stop, why does he keep walking to the car, disregarding them?

In so many of these situations, the one having the gun pointed at is fucking with those holding the gun. Why the fuck do people do such stupid shit when there's a gun pointed at them?

No, it's not right that they're getting shot, but jfc, you'd think you would completely cooperate when a fucking gun is pointed at you, because, hello? Gun is bad.
It's an unlawful order.

Cop: Hey you! Stop and put your hands up!

Me: Why?

Cop: I SAID SO! PUT YOUR HANDS UP!

Me: What crime did I commit??

Cop: *points gun at me*

Me: yeah.. fuck you buddy. You're gonna have to shoot me. I don't give up my rights that easily.

It's an unlawful order.

Rapist: Hey you! Give me sex!

You: Hell no!

Rapist: DO IT NOW! GIVE IT TO ME!

You: Are you foreal??

Rapist: *points gun at you*

Are you going to comply?
But the law is far from perfect. This rights things isn't some invincible shield. If you're being raped at gunpoint, it's better to take the rape than lose your life. If you're being asked by a cop to stop at gun point, whether the cop is right or wrong, you don't go anywhere. These are basic survival tactics, forget the law for a moment and do what you can to preserve your life. After all is said and done, report the racist, or sue the officer. Live to get your rights another day.

After reading that, I actually fear for your life. Take care.


You may be okay with giving up your rights, be it constitutionally protected rights.. or in the case of rape, basic human rights.. but I am not.

I will never understand people's need to give up their rights in exchange for security or convenience.

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So you prefer death. Makes absolutely no sense.

Just so you know I agree with you regarding the part about not giving up your rights but on the flip side of that particular issue not complying even if it's a violation against your human rights does not mean you get to do what you want to do, does not mean not listening to an officers direct orders and if a person is not complying there is a high probability force even deadly force will be used against the person not complying.

Comply and live or not comply and die. Those are the only 2 options people have.

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I understand it through autobiographies, biographies, and general history. I'm glad their are people built like this... it brings change. Not everyone is built for it and that's okay. The creator keeps mixing up the pot with all kinds of different people.... for his purpose.

These people will be the instruments of the last, final, and greatest battle.
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Lol@non - lethal weapons

So the police are supposed give up their guns when the perps carry real weapons.

Every person that does not comply is a potential criminal until the cops can verify otherwise.

Even when the guy had his hands in the air and got shot he was interfering which is why he got shot. Had he called into 911 or even stood out of harm's way while explaining how he was connected to the young man with learning disabilities the outcome most likely would have not escalated.

I've noticed in a lot of these situations hostility, defiance, bad attitude, attempting to record during the stop, calling 911 during the stop which can create tension and hostility which can lead to force being used.

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Lol@non - lethal weapons

So the police are supposed give up their guns when the perps carry real weapons.

Every person that does not comply is a potential criminal until the cops can verify otherwise.

Even when the guy had his hands in the air and got shot he was interfering which is why he got shot. Had he called into 911 or even stood out of harm's way while explaining how he was connected to the young man with learning disabilities the outcome most likely would have not escalated.

I've noticed in a lot of these situations hostility, defiance, bad attitude, attempting to record during the stop, calling 911 during the stop which can create tension and hostility which can lead to force being used.


I always wondered in awe of England. For many years, in england, majority of police don't carry guns... there are some other countries like this.

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You know I'm gonna just shut up after this...(doubt it)

But it is the police job to maintain order for the safety and welfare of others, and this widespread escalating defiant attitude is impeding their ability to do so.

Idk about you, but if that person they're stopping was involved in a crime that affected me or my loved ones, I would want them to be able to do their job. All this jackassery is nothing but a obstruction to due process and you're doing it to yourself when you behave that way.

If you have nothing to hide, why not comply with basic requests like "can I see your license and registration?"

& speaking of traffic stops being war zones...if people think these police shootings are tragic wait until shit really gets out of control and the military gets involved...lethal force will not be a last resort anymore....they'll be mowing neighborhoods down.

I'm not worried because I was raised to respect authority, you won't see me on the 5 o'clock news
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Point is was that person's rights violated?

Should they sue?

Should diabetics riot?
Find me the case and I'll take a look at it.
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I have two links just taking a a quick look.

Unfortunately, I can't find the exact site I read, but believe the examples were pulled from the study here:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11056273

I'm not going to pay $ 35 however, to download the study from Elsevier.

But the excerpt from this site references the cases in the study:

http://www.drunkdrivingdefense.com/resources/hypoglycemia-driving-under-the-influence/

"In a recent article on the diagnosis of hypoglycemia in car drivers, Kernbach-Wighton report on seven incidents, all involving hypoglycemic car drivers and the symptomatology observed after the incident. The brief case summaries in the adjoining table describe drivers who were involved in an accident and charged with driving while intoxicated or stopped for reckless driving. All of the examples are cases of drivers experiencing various degrees of hypoglycemia. Some are from the Kernbach report and several are from actual MTI cases. Just a quick run down of the cases will show quite clearly how easily the symptoms of hypoglycemia can be confused with the symptoms of intoxication. "
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But it is the police job to maintain order for the safety and welfare of others, and this widespread escalating defiant attitude is impeding their ability to do so.

Idk about you, but if that person they're stopping was involved in a crime that affected me or my loved ones, I would want them to be able to do their job. All this jackassery is nothing but a obstruction to due process and you're doing it to yourself when you behave that way.
The cops, for the most part, are trying to do their jobs.

Now, there are agendas IMHO that are in play by certain interests to nationalize local police forces. Fostering attitudes like what you mention plays into that.

I know some will argue otherwise, but I for one am not interested in having a nationalized police force (especially with the current group of jokers in DC). Nationalized police don't always work out too well for the public.

/tangent

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Don't get me wrong, I think it's pathetic and despicable that these "professionals" are unable to keep their composure and are shooting people out of fear and/or frustration it seems...defiance by no means should be punishable by death...but in light of everything that has happened - why you would still resist and become a statistic is beyond me dudes
Being as though they have the most dangerous job in the US, they have every right to fear for their lives everyday.

I bet if there was someone pointing a gun at you you'd want that police officer there pointing a gun at him, right? According to everyone else, the cop needs to just use a tazer on a man with a loaded gun.

97% of the time, if a cop has his weapon drawn on you it's because it's warranted. I've been a downright prick when being pulled over. I keep my hands on the wheel and I've never had a cop draw down on me.
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Don't get me wrong, I think it's pathetic and despicable that these "professionals" are unable to keep their composure and are shooting people out of fear and/or frustration it seems...defiance by no means should be punishable by death...but in light of everything that has happened - why you would still resist and become a statistic is beyond me dudes
Being as though they have the most dangerous job in the US, they have every right to fear for their lives everyday.

I bet if there was someone pointing a gun at you you'd want that police officer there pointing a gun at him, right? According to everyone else, the cop needs to just use a tazer on a man with a loaded gun.

97% of the time, if a cop has his weapon drawn on you it's because it's warranted. I've been a downright prick when being pulled over. I keep my hands on the wheel and I've never had a cop draw down on me.
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I've lived in some predominantly black neighborhoods. I got pulled over in long beach and both officers drew when they approached the vehicle. Once I rolled down my windows and they saw I was a white chick their whole demeanor changed, they holstered their weapons and were apologetic that they pulled me over to begin with.

Totally racial profiling.
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"non-lethal weapons are efficient and been used and are still used in other communities.

they should give up their gun when they are untrained and suck at their job. non of these "perps" were carrying a real weapon.

interfering? still, not a good reason to end someone's life.

some of those people would get defensive and riled up, others won't. it differ and you can't control the one being suspected' reaction. however cops are supposed to be trained to have their shit together and not get emotions involved, pull the trigger simply because the unarmed innocent person was interfering-pissed-defensive.

you can argue as much as you want, but you can't justify a murder."

What communities are you talking about. Cops are not going to stroll through nor roll through urban areas without a gun. It would be suicidal to not have a weapon in the hoods that have high crime rates.

Even now we see certain parts of Europe police are arming themselves on the streets because of the terrorism that's currently on their shores.

Non - lethal makes sense if he or she is working in a relatively low crime area/environment.

To be clear I am not saying to you that you're 100% wrong okay but what the public must do is be cool and less emotional to maintain a certain level of self control over themselves when confronted by a police officer and when a figure of authority ask for and or command compliance then give compliance or risk some kind of force to take place.

I strongly believe part of the problem is the public isn't informed nor aware of police protocol. Cops can and will use force /deadly force to maintain order.

Police cannot tell whose good or whose bad which is why they behave with a certain level of heightened awareness that this stop could be the stop that take his or her life. A person that refuse to comply is essentially provoking and escalating a simple traffic stop into force being used against him or her.

When people refuse to comply or become combative and aggressive they are creating a fight they can't win.,

Popping off at the mouth, resisting arrest, sudden shifts in movements, verbally baiting with my rights are being violated, attempting record while in the middle of a stop, interfering in police work by inserting themselves in the middle of a stop or stand off can all lead into a life or death situation quickly.

Challenging a police officer can turn deadly. Why not comply and report the officer but you can't do that if you're dead ad a door knob, human rights violations won't much matter if a person is 6 feet under.



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Don't get me wrong, I think it's pathetic and despicable that these "professionals" are unable to keep their composure and are shooting people out of fear and/or frustration it seems...defiance by no means should be punishable by death...but in light of everything that has happened - why you would still resist and become a statistic is beyond me dudes
Being as though they have the most dangerous job in the US, they have every right to fear for their lives everyday.

I bet if there was someone pointing a gun at you you'd want that police officer there pointing a gun at him, right? According to everyone else, the cop needs to just use a tazer on a man with a loaded gun.

97% of the time, if a cop has his weapon drawn on you it's because it's warranted. I've been a downright prick when being pulled over. I keep my hands on the wheel and I've never had a cop draw down on me.
I've lived in some predominantly black neighborhoods. I got pulled over in long beach and both officers drew when they approached the vehicle. Once I rolled down my windows and they saw I was a white chick their whole demeanor changed, they holstered their weapons and were apologetic that they pulled me over to begin with.

Totally racial profiling.

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How is it racial profiling if they never knew your skin tone?
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Don't get me wrong, I think it's pathetic and despicable that these "professionals" are unable to keep their composure and are shooting people out of fear and/or frustration it seems...defiance by no means should be punishable by death...but in light of everything that has happened - why you would still resist and become a statistic is beyond me dudes
Being as though they have the most dangerous job in the US, they have every right to fear for their lives everyday.

I bet if there was someone pointing a gun at you you'd want that police officer there pointing a gun at him, right? According to everyone else, the cop needs to just use a tazer on a man with a loaded gun.

97% of the time, if a cop has his weapon drawn on you it's because it's warranted. I've been a downright prick when being pulled over. I keep my hands on the wheel and I've never had a cop draw down on me.
I've lived in some predominantly black neighborhoods. I got pulled over in long beach and both officers drew when they approached the vehicle. Once I rolled down my windows and they saw I was a white chick their whole demeanor changed, they holstered their weapons and were apologetic that they pulled me over to begin with.

Totally racial profiling.

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How do you know if they were profiling?

You or your car may have fit the description of a bolo.

Cops are always on the look out for perps during their shift.

Not all cops are racist profiling murderers.

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Don't get me wrong, I think it's pathetic and despicable that these "professionals" are unable to keep their composure and are shooting people out of fear and/or frustration it seems...defiance by no means should be punishable by death...but in light of everything that has happened - why you would still resist and become a statistic is beyond me dudes
Being as though they have the most dangerous job in the US, they have every right to fear for their lives everyday.

I bet if there was someone pointing a gun at you you'd want that police officer there pointing a gun at him, right? According to everyone else, the cop needs to just use a tazer on a man with a loaded gun.

97% of the time, if a cop has his weapon drawn on you it's because it's warranted. I've been a downright prick when being pulled over. I keep my hands on the wheel and I've never had a cop draw down on me.
I've lived in some predominantly black neighborhoods. I got pulled over in long beach and both officers drew when they approached the vehicle. Once I rolled down my windows and they saw I was a white chick their whole demeanor changed, they holstered their weapons and were apologetic that they pulled me over to begin with.

Totally racial profiling.


How is it racial profiling if they never knew your skin tone?

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It's racial profiling because once they saw I was white their entire demeanor changed.

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Don't get me wrong, I think it's pathetic and despicable that these "professionals" are unable to keep their composure and are shooting people out of fear and/or frustration it seems...defiance by no means should be punishable by death...but in light of everything that has happened - why you would still resist and become a statistic is beyond me dudes
Being as though they have the most dangerous job in the US, they have every right to fear for their lives everyday.

I bet if there was someone pointing a gun at you you'd want that police officer there pointing a gun at him, right? According to everyone else, the cop needs to just use a tazer on a man with a loaded gun.

97% of the time, if a cop has his weapon drawn on you it's because it's warranted. I've been a downright prick when being pulled over. I keep my hands on the wheel and I've never had a cop draw down on me.
I've lived in some predominantly black neighborhoods. I got pulled over in long beach and both officers drew when they approached the vehicle. Once I rolled down my windows and they saw I was a white chick their whole demeanor changed, they holstered their weapons and were apologetic that they pulled me over to begin with.

Totally racial profiling.


How do you know if they were profiling?

You or your car may have fit the description of a bolo.

Cops are always on the look out for perps during their shift.

Not all cops are racist profiling murderers.

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Just like not all black men are violent criminals.

At the time I was driving a Toyota Corolla, a total wallpaper car. They admitted to me that because of the area and my windows being tinted dark they approached with their weapons drawn.

The profiling came into play once I rolled down my windows and they saw I was a white chick. They visibly relaxed and tucked their guns away. With a man of color they would've been searched the car for weapons/drugs and treated me completely different.

For all they knew I could've had several pounds of cocaine in the vehicle, but I get a pass cause I'm white.

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Don't get me wrong, I think it's pathetic and despicable that these "professionals" are unable to keep their composure and are shooting people out of fear and/or frustration it seems...defiance by no means should be punishable by death...but in light of everything that has happened - why you would still resist and become a statistic is beyond me dudes
Being as though they have the most dangerous job in the US, they have every right to fear for their lives everyday.

I bet if there was someone pointing a gun at you you'd want that police officer there pointing a gun at him, right? According to everyone else, the cop needs to just use a tazer on a man with a loaded gun.

97% of the time, if a cop has his weapon drawn on you it's because it's warranted. I've been a downright prick when being pulled over. I keep my hands on the wheel and I've never had a cop draw down on me.
I've lived in some predominantly black neighborhoods. I got pulled over in long beach and both officers drew when they approached the vehicle. Once I rolled down my windows and they saw I was a white chick their whole demeanor changed, they holstered their weapons and were apologetic that they pulled me over to begin with.

Totally racial profiling.


How is it racial profiling if they never knew your skin tone?


It's racial profiling because once they saw I was white their entire demeanor changed.

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That is NOT profiling
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Don't get me wrong, I think it's pathetic and despicable that these "professionals" are unable to keep their composure and are shooting people out of fear and/or frustration it seems...defiance by no means should be punishable by death...but in light of everything that has happened - why you would still resist and become a statistic is beyond me dudes
Being as though they have the most dangerous job in the US, they have every right to fear for their lives everyday.

I bet if there was someone pointing a gun at you you'd want that police officer there pointing a gun at him, right? According to everyone else, the cop needs to just use a tazer on a man with a loaded gun.

97% of the time, if a cop has his weapon drawn on you it's because it's warranted. I've been a downright prick when being pulled over. I keep my hands on the wheel and I've never had a cop draw down on me.
I've lived in some predominantly black neighborhoods. I got pulled over in long beach and both officers drew when they approached the vehicle. Once I rolled down my windows and they saw I was a white chick their whole demeanor changed, they holstered their weapons and were apologetic that they pulled me over to begin with.

Totally racial profiling.

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Yeah likely, but it's also possible your car matched a description of one they were looking for, but you yourself didn't.

But it's better to jump to conclusions and then be unreasonable, rude, and difficult with someone who believes they are just doing their job.





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Don't get me wrong, I think it's pathetic and despicable that these "professionals" are unable to keep their composure and are shooting people out of fear and/or frustration it seems...defiance by no means should be punishable by death...but in light of everything that has happened - why you would still resist and become a statistic is beyond me dudes
Being as though they have the most dangerous job in the US, they have every right to fear for their lives everyday.

I bet if there was someone pointing a gun at you you'd want that police officer there pointing a gun at him, right? According to everyone else, the cop needs to just use a tazer on a man with a loaded gun.

97% of the time, if a cop has his weapon drawn on you it's because it's warranted. I've been a downright prick when being pulled over. I keep my hands on the wheel and I've never had a cop draw down on me.
I've lived in some predominantly black neighborhoods. I got pulled over in long beach and both officers drew when they approached the vehicle. Once I rolled down my windows and they saw I was a white chick their whole demeanor changed, they holstered their weapons and were apologetic that they pulled me over to begin with.

Totally racial profiling.


How is it racial profiling if they never knew your skin tone?


It's racial profiling because once they saw I was white their entire demeanor changed.


That is NOT profiling


Actually it is, sometimes I wonder about you, you seem so lost.

I've been profiled! They thought I was a black man. Stopped me, were surprised was a woman

I saw them profile me as I drive out of parking lot

One cop car calling another

It was so bad



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In your case, it is profiling. They thought you were a black man and pulled you over.

Her case, they had no idea what race she was. It can't be racially profiling if they don't know your race. She already stated they didn't know her race before hand.

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Don't get me wrong, I think it's pathetic and despicable that these "professionals" are unable to keep their composure and are shooting people out of fear and/or frustration it seems...defiance by no means should be punishable by death...but in light of everything that has happened - why you would still resist and become a statistic is beyond me dudes
Being as though they have the most dangerous job in the US, they have every right to fear for their lives everyday.

I bet if there was someone pointing a gun at you you'd want that police officer there pointing a gun at him, right? According to everyone else, the cop needs to just use a tazer on a man with a loaded gun.

97% of the time, if a cop has his weapon drawn on you it's because it's warranted. I've been a downright prick when being pulled over. I keep my hands on the wheel and I've never had a cop draw down on me.
I've lived in some predominantly black neighborhoods. I got pulled over in long beach and both officers drew when they approached the vehicle. Once I rolled down my windows and they saw I was a white chick their whole demeanor changed, they holstered their weapons and were apologetic that they pulled me over to begin with.

Totally racial profiling.


Yeah likely, but it's also possible your car matched a description of one they were looking for, but you yourself didn't.

But it's better to jump to conclusions and then be unreasonable, rude, and difficult with someone who believes they are just doing their job.







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No that's not it.

I asked them why they pulled me over. If I matched another cars description they would've said.

Whose saying anything about being rude? My point here is that I was treated differently than a black person because of the color of my skin. Hence racial profiling.

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You're making an assumption that your skin tone changed their demeanor. You may have fit the profile of someone they've been put on notice to look out for and to use caution because the perp is dangerous

So okay you are driving in a high crime area with dark tented windows which is pretty much the norm in urban areas.

That car, the type of car you were in is a favorite among drug dealers, very popular car in the hood, blackout tinted windows with expensive rims is a favorite among dealers, bangers, criminals and ex convicts in the hood which is why they drew their weapons and they usually role deep 3 or more people in a car so the smart reaction is to approach the situation with extreme caution
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Don't get me wrong, I think it's pathetic and despicable that these "professionals" are unable to keep their composure and are shooting people out of fear and/or frustration it seems...defiance by no means should be punishable by death...but in light of everything that has happened - why you would still resist and become a statistic is beyond me dudes
Being as though they have the most dangerous job in the US, they have every right to fear for their lives everyday.

I bet if there was someone pointing a gun at you you'd want that police officer there pointing a gun at him, right? According to everyone else, the cop needs to just use a tazer on a man with a loaded gun.

97% of the time, if a cop has his weapon drawn on you it's because it's warranted. I've been a downright prick when being pulled over. I keep my hands on the wheel and I've never had a cop draw down on me.
I've lived in some predominantly black neighborhoods. I got pulled over in long beach and both officers drew when they approached the vehicle. Once I rolled down my windows and they saw I was a white chick their whole demeanor changed, they holstered their weapons and were apologetic that they pulled me over to begin with.

Totally racial profiling.


Yeah likely, but it's also possible your car matched a description of one they were looking for, but you yourself didn't.

But it's better to jump to conclusions and then be unreasonable, rude, and difficult with someone who believes they are just doing their job.


So are you saying this is what happens on a normal basis? You're painting untrue picture.

Now white people say crazy sheet to cops all the time and they get to live yet blah people if they defend their position deserved to be shot?

Is that what you're saying, cause that's what's I'm hearing.

There most disrespectful people to police officers are whites, specifically white men!

Do you never watch uploads of the sheer privilege?

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If that's what you got from my post, so be it.

But "saying crazy shit" to a cop never got anyone shot. Acting sketchy and physically resisting have gotten plenty shot.

Like the subject of this thread. Why, when a cop is telling you stop to walking away do you keep walking to your car?? (which they don't know wtf you're doing, what you're going to do when you get to your car , what's in your car, etc.)
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Don't get me wrong, I think it's pathetic and despicable that these "professionals" are unable to keep their composure and are shooting people out of fear and/or frustration it seems...defiance by no means should be punishable by death...but in light of everything that has happened - why you would still resist and become a statistic is beyond me dudes
Being as though they have the most dangerous job in the US, they have every right to fear for their lives everyday.

I bet if there was someone pointing a gun at you you'd want that police officer there pointing a gun at him, right? According to everyone else, the cop needs to just use a tazer on a man with a loaded gun.

97% of the time, if a cop has his weapon drawn on you it's because it's warranted. I've been a downright prick when being pulled over. I keep my hands on the wheel and I've never had a cop draw down on me.
I've lived in some predominantly black neighborhoods. I got pulled over in long beach and both officers drew when they approached the vehicle. Once I rolled down my windows and they saw I was a white chick their whole demeanor changed, they holstered their weapons and were apologetic that they pulled me over to begin with.

Totally racial profiling.


Yeah likely, but it's also possible your car matched a description of one they were looking for, but you yourself didn't.

But it's better to jump to conclusions and then be unreasonable, rude, and difficult with someone who believes they are just doing their job.








No that's not it.

I asked them why they pulled me over. If I matched another cars description they would've said.

Whose saying anything about being rude? My point here is that I was treated differently than a black person because of the color of my skin. Hence racial profiling.

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I'll also add that they didn't ask to see my license or registration. They just apologized for bothering me and that was it.

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Don't get me wrong, I think it's pathetic and despicable that these "professionals" are unable to keep their composure and are shooting people out of fear and/or frustration it seems...defiance by no means should be punishable by death...but in light of everything that has happened - why you would still resist and become a statistic is beyond me dudes
Being as though they have the most dangerous job in the US, they have every right to fear for their lives everyday.

I bet if there was someone pointing a gun at you you'd want that police officer there pointing a gun at him, right? According to everyone else, the cop needs to just use a tazer on a man with a loaded gun.

97% of the time, if a cop has his weapon drawn on you it's because it's warranted. I've been a downright prick when being pulled over. I keep my hands on the wheel and I've never had a cop draw down on me.
I've lived in some predominantly black neighborhoods. I got pulled over in long beach and both officers drew when they approached the vehicle. Once I rolled down my windows and they saw I was a white chick their whole demeanor changed, they holstered their weapons and were apologetic that they pulled me over to begin with.

Totally racial profiling.


Yeah likely, but it's also possible your car matched a description of one they were looking for, but you yourself didn't.

But it's better to jump to conclusions and then be unreasonable, rude, and difficult with someone who believes they are just doing their job.








No that's not it.

I asked them why they pulled me over. If I matched another cars description they would've said.

Whose saying anything about being rude? My point here is that I was treated differently than a black person because of the color of my skin. Hence racial profiling.

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If you felt that, you were probably right.

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Can y'all agree tho that the most disrespectful people to police officers are white men yet they still get to live?

Jfc they're obnoxious, but I envy them that freedom they have

They'll be waving machetes around. Telling you to go fuk your mother, that they'll rape you in the ass and still be taken to a McDonald's by the police cause they hungry lol

This country is crazy


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Regardless if I think this red neck cop was justified in shoot that man, which I dont, you are only in control and responsible for your own actions!!!! Behave as you wish, it's your right , but there are consequences.

Its basically suicide.
But it shouldn't be suicide. they have zero reason to shoot to kill in most of these instances with unarmed people. If they are not getting physical in their resisting

It still fits the legal definition of manslaughter
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Regardless if I think this red neck cop was justified in shoot that man, which I dont, you are only in control and responsible for your own actions!!!! Behave as you wish, it's your right , but there are consequences.

Its basically suicide.
But it shouldn't be suicide. they have zero reason to shoot to kill in most of these instances with unarmed people. If they are not getting physical in their resisting

It still fits the legal definition of manslaughter
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Never debated that



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Can y'all agree tho that the most disrespectful people to police officers are white men yet they still get to live?

Jfc they're obnoxious, but I envy them that freedom they have

They'll be waving machetes around. Telling you to go fuk your mother, that they'll rape you in the ass and still be taken to a McDonald's by the police cause they hungry lol

This country is crazy




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Each police officer is different and have different temperaments. Social environment will also be a contributing factor as to how a cop will deal with a traffic stop.

Some police officers are calm in high stress situations no matter what whereas a rookie cop is more apt to react. A well seasoned cop with years of experience will not crack under pressure.

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LadyNeptune could it be you were not the person they were looking for? You just proved a valid point though which is not all police officers are bad.
Actually she proved they are bad! They let a white girl go, that'll never happen to a black man. You're really stupid. Please stick to relationship topics and if your family members are cops fuk them too.

Fuk crooked cops and fuk their families and fuk their friends
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They didn't ask to see my license or registration. Didn't question me.

Just visibly relaxed and holstered their guns. Once they saw I was white I was suddenly not a threat.

I actually asked them why I was pulled over and they said I had a tail light out (I didn't). I also asked them why they both had their weapons drawn. They told me that in this area that's how they approach the car if they can't see the driver clearly (tinted windows...). I can respect that mentality. I can't respect how they went 180 with their attitude. Be consistent.
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Can y'all agree tho that the most disrespectful people to police officers are white men yet they still get to live?

Jfc they're obnoxious, but I envy them that freedom they have

They'll be waving machetes around. Telling you to go fuk your mother, that they'll rape you in the ass and still be taken to a McDonald's by the police cause they hungry lol

This country is crazy





Each police officer is different and have different temperaments. Social environment will also be a contributing factor as to how a cop will deal with a traffic stop.

Some police officers are calm in high stress situations no matter what whereas a rookie cop is more apt to react. A well seasoned cop with years of experience will not crack under pressure.

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For the right person... evil is evil.

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LadyNeptune could it be you were not the person they were looking for? You just proved a valid point though which is not all police officers are bad.
Actually she proved they are bad! They let a white girl go, that'll never happen to a black man. You're really stupid. Please stick to relationship topics and if your family members are cops fuk them too.

Fuk crooked cops and fuk their families and fuk their friends
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You are assuming a black person would be treated differently. My black circle of friends have been stopped by the police and most of them were given a verbal warning, no ticket, no harassment. Not all cops are racist assholes.

But one things certain that chip on your shoulder, that level of anger if projected towards a cop, a crooked cop will bust your head open to the white meat or bust you in the ass with a hot one.
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No one is saying that all cops are corrupt.

Just like all black men aren't violent criminals.

The issue here is that cops are getting trigger happy and shooting unarmed complying black men. Shooting young black men in the back. Murdering a a young black father in front of his baby and baby mama.

Marginalizing the pain of the black community by inserting that "oh he should have just complied" is insensitive and insulting. This cop brutality was UNPROVOKED.
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Some cops just suck at their job or have abuse of power and they need to all start to be punished equally. Some of them cannot even use tasers right.



http://www.dailywire.com/news/6437/sickening-video-cop-who-tasered-kid-coma-sentenced-chase-stephens#

White on white violence. Shocking ik.

This cop is in jail....mostly because the teens dad was a cop too.

Police training has gotta be at an all time low

Except its not its just more bad instances are accessible to the public now
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LadyNeptune could it be you were not the person they were looking for? You just proved a valid point though which is not all police officers are bad.
Actually she proved they are bad! They let a white girl go, that'll never happen to a black man. You're really stupid. Please stick to relationship topics and if your family members are cops fuk them too.

Fuk crooked cops and fuk their families and fuk their friends
They didn't ask to see my license or registration. Didn't question me.

Just visibly relaxed and holstered their guns. Once they saw I was white I was suddenly not a threat.

I actually asked them why I was pulled over and they said I had a tail light out (I didn't). I also asked them why they both had their weapons drawn. They told me that in this area that's how they approach the car if they can't see the driver clearly (tinted windows...). I can respect that mentality. I can't respect how they went 180 with their attitude. Be consistent.

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We'll just agree to disagree. That particular type of car is a favorite among dealers and criminals. You did not fit that profile so they let you go.

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LadyNeptune could it be you were not the person they were looking for? You just proved a valid point though which is not all police officers are bad.
Actually she proved they are bad! They let a white girl go, that'll never happen to a black man. You're really stupid. Please stick to relationship topics and if your family members are cops fuk them too.

Fuk crooked cops and fuk their families and fuk their friends
They didn't ask to see my license or registration. Didn't question me.

Just visibly relaxed and holstered their guns. Once they saw I was white I was suddenly not a threat.

I actually asked them why I was pulled over and they said I had a tail light out (I didn't). I also asked them why they both had their weapons drawn. They told me that in this area that's how they approach the car if they can't see the driver clearly (tinted windows...). I can respect that mentality. I can't respect how they went 180 with their attitude. Be consistent.


We'll just agree to disagree. That particular type of car is a favorite among dealers and criminals. You did not fit that profile so they let you go.

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This right here is a great example of racial biased!!! Because I'm a white female I'm not suspect of being a dealer or criminal.

But if I 'fit the profile', aka a man of color, I would have been detained and had my vehicle searched on suspicion of being a criminal in direct relation to the color o my skin.

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No one is saying that all cops are corrupt.

Just like all black men aren't violent criminals.

The issue here is that cops are getting trigger happy and shooting unarmed complying black men. Shooting young black men in the back. Murdering a a young black father in front of his baby and baby mama.

Marginalizing the pain of the black community by inserting that "oh he should have just complied" is insensitive and insulting. This cop brutality was UNPROVOKED.
What the public defines as unprovoked is not how cops define unprovoked behavior.

When a person does not comply they are actually provoking the officer to use force.

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Exactly, too many cops who should never have been cops. Not everyone is the right personality...just like not everyone should be a special needs teacher, or a foster parent, or a judge, or a doctor.

You need to be extremely level headed, patient, unemotional, fair, etc (like that Maine cop, God bless, I would have ripped that dude from his car). There needs to be a better system in place to screen these pyschos

I know the other cops that work with them must know they're a loose cannon and shouldn't be in the field, but they all protect their own instead of protecting the public - which is the main problem - and the reason I believe this cop will likely be exonnerated. Instead of relieving them of their duty after they've unjustly shot someone, they should be relieved before they are given the opportunity to take a life.



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Some cops just suck at their job or have abuse of power and they need to all start to be punished equally. Some of them cannot even use tasers right.



http://www.dailywire.com/news/6437/sickening-video-cop-who-tasered-kid-coma-sentenced-chase-stephens#

White on white violence. Shocking ik.

This cop is in jail....mostly because the teens dad was a cop too.

Police training has gotta be at an all time low

Except its not its just more bad instances are accessible to the public now
That's sad

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See how he drags him out of the sight of the camera. Smh.

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No one is saying that all cops are corrupt.

Just like all black men aren't violent criminals.

The issue here is that cops are getting trigger happy and shooting unarmed complying black men. Shooting young black men in the back. Murdering a a young black father in front of his baby and baby mama.

Marginalizing the pain of the black community by inserting that "oh he should have just complied" is insensitive and insulting. This cop brutality was UNPROVOKED.
What the public defines as unprovoked is not how cops define unprovoked behavior.

When a person does not comply they are actually provoking the officer to use force.

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Can y'all agree tho that the most disrespectful people to police officers are white men yet they still get to live?

Jfc they're obnoxious, but I envy them that freedom they have

They'll be waving machetes around. Telling you to go fuk your mother, that they'll rape you in the ass and still be taken to a McDonald's by the police cause they hungry lol

This country is crazy





Each police officer is different and have different temperaments. Social environment will also be a contributing factor as to how a cop will deal with a traffic stop.

Some police officers are calm in high stress situations no matter what whereas a rookie cop is more apt to react. A well seasoned cop with years of experience will not crack under pressure.

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That cop is better than me. I'd have slapped the taste right out his mouth.

Cops have rights too.
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LadyNeptune could it be you were not the person they were looking for? You just proved a valid point though which is not all police officers are bad.
Actually she proved they are bad! They let a white girl go, that'll never happen to a black man. You're really stupid. Please stick to relationship topics and if your family members are cops fuk them too.

Fuk crooked cops and fuk their families and fuk their friends
They didn't ask to see my license or registration. Didn't question me.

Just visibly relaxed and holstered their guns. Once they saw I was white I was suddenly not a threat.

I actually asked them why I was pulled over and they said I had a tail light out (I didn't). I also asked them why they both had their weapons drawn. They told me that in this area that's how they approach the car if they can't see the driver clearly (tinted windows...). I can respect that mentality. I can't respect how they went 180 with their attitude. Be consistent.


We'll just agree to disagree. That particular type of car is a favorite among dealers and criminals. You did not fit that profile so they let you go.


This right here is a great example of racial biased!!! Because I'm a white female I'm not suspect of being a dealer or criminal.

But if I 'fit the profile', aka a man of color, I would have been detained and had my vehicle searched on suspicion of being a criminal in direct relation to the color o my skin.

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It's not necessarily the skin that causes a cop to profile (of course I cannot speak for all cops.). That particular urban area is a high crime rate area and therefore they must use caution when approaching the same or similar car all day long.



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No one is saying that all cops are corrupt.

Just like all black men aren't violent criminals.

The issue here is that cops are getting trigger happy and shooting unarmed complying black men. Shooting young black men in the back. Murdering a a young black father in front of his baby and baby mama.

Marginalizing the pain of the black community by inserting that "oh he should have just complied" is insensitive and insulting. This cop brutality was UNPROVOKED.
What the public defines as unprovoked is not how cops define unprovoked behavior.

When a person does not comply they are actually provoking the officer to use force.


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The man was not complying if he's walking away, not rolling his window down, asking why, asking what did I do, refusing to get out of the car and on and on and on and it can easily escalate into force and even death.

The complying black man are not always compliant. The public perception of "complying" is not in alignment with how police are trained and if we don't figure this out more people will die.

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No one is saying that all cops are corrupt.

Just like all black men aren't violent criminals.

The issue here is that cops are getting trigger happy and shooting unarmed complying black men. Shooting young black men in the back. Murdering a a young black father in front of his baby and baby mama.

Marginalizing the pain of the black community by inserting that "oh he should have just complied" is insensitive and insulting. This cop brutality was UNPROVOKED.
What the public defines as unprovoked is not how cops define unprovoked behavior.

When a person does not comply they are actually provoking the officer to use force.



The man was not complying if he's walking away, not rolling his window down, asking why, asking what did I do, refusing to get out of the car and on and on and on and it can easily escalate into force and even death.

The complying black man are not always compliant. The public perception of "complying" is not in alignment with how police are trained and if we don't figure this out more people will die.

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In this case he was complying. They told him to place his hands on the vehicle.

From the police footage from the helicopter you can hear them saying

"he looks like a dangerous guy"

"he's probably on drugs"

All they know at this point is that he's black. He hasn't committed any crime but they are treating him as a criminal based on their perceiving him as a threat BECAUSE HE IS BLACK.

She got trigger happy and fired her weapon.

After, the cops tried to say he was reaching through the widow for a weapon. They wanted to excuse this murder. But investigators proved that the window was up. He was complying and was still shot in the back.

Why are you defending this corruption? What is your motive here?

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LadyNeptune could it be you were not the person they were looking for? You just proved a valid point though which is not all police officers are bad.
Actually she proved they are bad! They let a white girl go, that'll never happen to a black man. You're really stupid. Please stick to relationship topics and if your family members are cops fuk them too.

Fuk crooked cops and fuk their families and fuk their friends
They didn't ask to see my license or registration. Didn't question me.

Just visibly relaxed and holstered their guns. Once they saw I was white I was suddenly not a threat.

I actually asked them why I was pulled over and they said I had a tail light out (I didn't). I also asked them why they both had their weapons drawn. They told me that in this area that's how they approach the car if they can't see the driver clearly (tinted windows...). I can respect that mentality. I can't respect how they went 180 with their attitude. Be consistent.


We'll just agree to disagree. That particular type of car is a favorite among dealers and criminals. You did not fit that profile so they let you go.


She did not fit the profile?

Hold up a second..

What about her, after they approached and holstered their weapons, made them think that she wasn't a dealer of criminal?

Explain please.

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The car was profiled. They could not visually see her because she had dark tented windows. That particular car model is popular among certain criminal elements.

He may have relaxed because she's a female. He may have relaxed because she was not the perp they were looking for. He may have relaxed because he can make a donut run instead of having to interrogate someone, there are a lot of reasons besides her being a white woman. There are plenty of white crackheads and white prostiitutes propped up in the hood.

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Can y'all agree tho that the most disrespectful people to police officers are white men yet they still get to live?

Jfc they're obnoxious, but I envy them that freedom they have

They'll be waving machetes around. Telling you to go fuk your mother, that they'll rape you in the ass and still be taken to a McDonald's by the police cause they hungry lol

This country is crazy





Can you post a video of Sandra Bland so we can compare, please?

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