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"Why are you defending this corruption? What is your motive here?"
The guy in this particular situation had a lengthy criminal history so he is not unfamiliar with dealing with the police.
He did not comply to two dozen different commands that she gave him snd he reached into his pocket and he projected the behavior of a man under the influence.
My understanding is he was disabled but had he chose to get on his knees and lock his hands behind his head or lie down on the ground arms visibly stretched out getting shot would most likely not have happened.
To be clear, I don't condone what the officer did but there was non,--compliant behavior that led up to lethal force being used against him.
The guy in this particular situation had a lengthy criminal history so he is not unfamiliar with dealing with the police.
He did not comply to two dozen different commands that she gave him snd he reached into his pocket and he projected the behavior of a man under the influence.
My understanding is he was disabled but had he chose to get on his knees and lock his hands behind his head or lie down on the ground arms visibly stretched out getting shot would most likely not have happened.
To be clear, I don't condone what the officer did but there was non,--compliant behavior that led up to lethal force being used against him.
Cops sometimes face high tension and critical situations. Which, sure, may be difficult for officers to handle as human beings, but they're also trained on stuff like this.
"Shelby also told investigators that when she encountered Crutcher, she feared for her life and believed that he would kill her, even though he was unarmed". He wasn't even walking towards her and he had his hands behind his head, though— Sure, he walked up to the car, but that's not enough reason to shoot.
You know, maybe this job isn't for her if she's afraid of some dude who was not showing any signs of being a threat. I also think this is a reason why police need more frequent mandatory training.
The article I took that quote from also mentions that she has some past history with domestic violence and smoking weed as well as a complaint about excessive use on a different matter (that was dropped, so who knows). Although, personally, none of it sounded like a huge deal.
I think she should be charged. How she reacted is not in line with what an officer should do. She took a life needlessly.
"Shelby also told investigators that when she encountered Crutcher, she feared for her life and believed that he would kill her, even though he was unarmed". He wasn't even walking towards her and he had his hands behind his head, though— Sure, he walked up to the car, but that's not enough reason to shoot.
You know, maybe this job isn't for her if she's afraid of some dude who was not showing any signs of being a threat. I also think this is a reason why police need more frequent mandatory training.
The article I took that quote from also mentions that she has some past history with domestic violence and smoking weed as well as a complaint about excessive use on a different matter (that was dropped, so who knows). Although, personally, none of it sounded like a huge deal.
I think she should be charged. How she reacted is not in line with what an officer should do. She took a life needlessly.
Posted by tiki33What are you babbling about?
"Why are you defending this corruption? What is your motive here?"
The guy in this particular situation had a lengthy criminal history so he is not unfamiliar with dealing with the police.
He did not comply to two dozen different commands that she gave him snd he reached into his pocket and he projected the behavior of a man under the influence.
My understanding is he was disabled but had he chose to get on his knees and lock his hands behind his head or lie down on the ground arms visibly stretched out getting shot would most likely not have happened.
To be clear, I don't condone what the officer did but there was non,--compliant behavior that led up to lethal force being used against him.
Terence Crutchins was a 40 year old father and involved with his community. He was a member of the choir at his church. No prior criminal record.
He was leaving a music appreciation class at the local college where he was enrolled when his car stalled and he called for help.
He raised his hands in submission and complied with the officers directions. He was still shot an killed.
His only crime being a black man.
Posted by LadyNeptuneHe had a lengthy criminal record. He also had resisting arrest in his criminal background. He did 9 years in prison for drug trafficking.Posted by tiki33What are you babbling about?
"Why are you defending this corruption? What is your motive here?"
The guy in this particular situation had a lengthy criminal history so he is not unfamiliar with dealing with the police.
He did not comply to two dozen different commands that she gave him snd he reached into his pocket and he projected the behavior of a man under the influence.
My understanding is he was disabled but had he chose to get on his knees and lock his hands behind his head or lie down on the ground arms visibly stretched out getting shot would most likely not have happened.
To be clear, I don't condone what the officer did but there was non,--compliant behavior that led up to lethal force being used against him.
Terence Crutchins was a 40 year old father and involved with his community. He was a member of the choir at his church. No prior criminal record.
He was leaving a music appreciation class at the local college where he was enrolled when his car stalled and he called for help.
He raised his hands in submission and complied with the officers directions. He was still shot an killed.
His only crime being a black man.click to expand
He was given 2 dozen commands and did not comply to any of em. He actually walked towards the officer when she was checking out his vehicle which includes reaching into his pocket.
I'm not implying that he deserved to die. I am saying his not complying led up to lethal force being used against him which unfortunately ed to his death.
Posted by tiki33Link your sources.Posted by LadyNeptuneHe had a lengthy criminal record. He also had resisting arrest in his criminal background. He did 9 years in prison for drug trafficking.Posted by tiki33What are you babbling about?
"Why are you defending this corruption? What is your motive here?"
The guy in this particular situation had a lengthy criminal history so he is not unfamiliar with dealing with the police.
He did not comply to two dozen different commands that she gave him snd he reached into his pocket and he projected the behavior of a man under the influence.
My understanding is he was disabled but had he chose to get on his knees and lock his hands behind his head or lie down on the ground arms visibly stretched out getting shot would most likely not have happened.
To be clear, I don't condone what the officer did but there was non,--compliant behavior that led up to lethal force being used against him.
Terence Crutchins was a 40 year old father and involved with his community. He was a member of the choir at his church. No prior criminal record.
He was leaving a music appreciation class at the local college where he was enrolled when his car stalled and he called for help.
He raised his hands in submission and complied with the officers directions. He was still shot an killed.
His only crime being a black man.
He was given 2 dozen commands and did not comply to any of em. He actually walked towards the officer when she was checking out his vehicle which includes reaching into his pocket.
I'm not implying that he deserved to die. I am saying his not complying led up to lethal force being used against him which unfortunately ed to his death.
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I've watched the footage and what your describing is not what occurred.
The very beginning of her encounter with him was not captured by video so the public is missing a very important part of what led up to her shooting him. Over a minute of commands that he did not comply to. Walking in traffic and if he was taking college courses then was not a completely disabled incompetent man that lacked intelligence.
"pease tell me where was the danger in Crutcher situation? his car was blocking the street... not something he should nor deserve to be killed for! his car was clear, he was unarmed, he had his hands up which mean he comply. there was no danger! but she used her gun and shoot him anyway.
weapons shouldn't be used on innocent people by scared mofos who suck at their job.
I do get your point that people are supposed to comply and stay calm, some people don't and can't. do they deserve to get shot? no.
"Tulsa is accused of "unlawfully and unnecessarily" shooting Crutcher after he did not comply with her "lawful orders.""
unlawfully and UNNECESSARILY shooting is a crime, not following orders-interfering isn't. - not in Curtcher's case. he was unarmed ffs. she knew it too.
the public aren't the ones holding the guns and killing innocent people, all what they can do is run their mouth. The cops are the ones with power, they should be able to control it. They are the ones who need to be aware and responsible."
The danger is "not complying" to an officer's commands. When a potential suspect refuses to comply to an officer's commands and instead opts to do what he or she wants to then the situation becomes unsafe. Disobeying commands demonstrates a level of aggression that may require force.
The police officer stated although he put his hands up he also was pacing back and forth, put his hands down, went into his pocket with his hands, walked up on her while checking the car which all can be seen as aggression or deemed as dangerous behavior.
You're assuming she knew he was unarmed, not dangerous, but there is no way an officer can tell whose a threat or not a threat without asserting control and that level of control where both police officer and civilian are safe comes from complete compliance.
He did not deserve to die but he also contributed to his death by not complying. He has a a criminal history of not complying.
When the officer was first on the scene there is over a minute of her interaction with him not recorded were he was walking into traffic, appeared intoxicated, reaching into his pocket, approaching the officer and not complying to 2 dozen commands she gave and that kind of behavior can turn deadly for the person not complying.
This cop may just be a horrible cop, bad cops do exist which is all the more reason to comply, live and put in a complaint against the officer and file a lawsuit if necessary.
weapons shouldn't be used on innocent people by scared mofos who suck at their job.
I do get your point that people are supposed to comply and stay calm, some people don't and can't. do they deserve to get shot? no.
"Tulsa is accused of "unlawfully and unnecessarily" shooting Crutcher after he did not comply with her "lawful orders.""
unlawfully and UNNECESSARILY shooting is a crime, not following orders-interfering isn't. - not in Curtcher's case. he was unarmed ffs. she knew it too.
the public aren't the ones holding the guns and killing innocent people, all what they can do is run their mouth. The cops are the ones with power, they should be able to control it. They are the ones who need to be aware and responsible."
The danger is "not complying" to an officer's commands. When a potential suspect refuses to comply to an officer's commands and instead opts to do what he or she wants to then the situation becomes unsafe. Disobeying commands demonstrates a level of aggression that may require force.
The police officer stated although he put his hands up he also was pacing back and forth, put his hands down, went into his pocket with his hands, walked up on her while checking the car which all can be seen as aggression or deemed as dangerous behavior.
You're assuming she knew he was unarmed, not dangerous, but there is no way an officer can tell whose a threat or not a threat without asserting control and that level of control where both police officer and civilian are safe comes from complete compliance.
He did not deserve to die but he also contributed to his death by not complying. He has a a criminal history of not complying.
When the officer was first on the scene there is over a minute of her interaction with him not recorded were he was walking into traffic, appeared intoxicated, reaching into his pocket, approaching the officer and not complying to 2 dozen commands she gave and that kind of behavior can turn deadly for the person not complying.
This cop may just be a horrible cop, bad cops do exist which is all the more reason to comply, live and put in a complaint against the officer and file a lawsuit if necessary.
Posted by tiki33really none of this matters...the police could have found 5 different drugs ...10 guns....and plans marked "how to take over the world" and it STILL wouldn't have mattered ...
The very beginning of her encounter with him was not captured by video so the public is missing a very important part of what led up to her shooting him. Over a minute of commands that he did not comply to. Walking in traffic and if he was taking college courses then was not a completely disabled incompetent man that lacked intelligence.
people deserve their day in court....
there is this crazy thing called JAIL we take bad guys there
and people need to be held accountable for their actions ...
Posted by GetMistedAlright man, I'm unblocking you for this reply.
You know.. Of everyone here, Ssupes is probably the best example of how be a white man keeps you alive when not complying with law enforcement.
After physically assaulting 2 police officers, he's forced to join the military in return for not being incarcerated in a state penitentiary.
Not only did he not die while fighting the police.. He didn't even serve time in prison.
Look, while throwing down I got my ass tazed, beat the hell up AND while I was on the ground I had a gun in the back of my head. They told me to be still and I did. They told me to stfu, I did. I did whatever they told me to, I lived.
I wasn't (forced) to go into the military. The 2 cops 1 white and one black told the judge (black) that they would consider that an option. I made a CHOICE to go into the military. Now, go away
Posted by Cancan26Not complying to an officer's commands demonstrate aggression which can be deemed as potentially dangerous and deadly for the police officer. Not having a weapon does not mean the officer is safe from harm.Posted by tiki33really none of this matters...the police could have found 5 different drugs ...10 guns....and plans marked "how to take over the world" and it STILL wouldn't have mattered ...
The very beginning of her encounter with him was not captured by video so the public is missing a very important part of what led up to her shooting him. Over a minute of commands that he did not comply to. Walking in traffic and if he was taking college courses then was not a completely disabled incompetent man that lacked intelligence.
people deserve their day in court....
there is this crazy thing called JAIL we take bad guys there
and people need to be held accountable for their actions ...click to expand
Posted by tiki33why would there need to comply if you didn't do anything ...— and officers are supposed to be trained to take in what the law assumes are INNOCENT people until proven guilty ..this is unacceptable ....Posted by Cancan26Not complying to an officer's commands demonstrate aggression which can be deemed as potentially dangerous and deadly for the police officer. Not having a weapon does not mean the officer is safe from harm.Posted by tiki33really none of this matters...the police could have found 5 different drugs ...10 guns....and plans marked "how to take over the world" and it STILL wouldn't have mattered ...
The very beginning of her encounter with him was not captured by video so the public is missing a very important part of what led up to her shooting him. Over a minute of commands that he did not comply to. Walking in traffic and if he was taking college courses then was not a completely disabled incompetent man that lacked intelligence.
people deserve their day in court....
there is this crazy thing called JAIL we take bad guys there
and people need to be held accountable for their actions ...
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Posted by Cancan26Compliance is and had always been a vital part of the process between civilians and police officers to maintain safety and order between the two.Posted by tiki33why would there need to comply if you didn't do anything ...— and officers are supposed to be trained to take in what the law assumes are INNOCENT people until proven guilty ..this is unacceptable ....Posted by Cancan26Not complying to an officer's commands demonstrate aggression which can be deemed as potentially dangerous and deadly for the police officer. Not having a weapon does not mean the officer is safe from harm.Posted by tiki33really none of this matters...the police could have found 5 different drugs ...10 guns....and plans marked "how to take over the world" and it STILL wouldn't have mattered ...
The very beginning of her encounter with him was not captured by video so the public is missing a very important part of what led up to her shooting him. Over a minute of commands that he did not comply to. Walking in traffic and if he was taking college courses then was not a completely disabled incompetent man that lacked intelligence.
people deserve their day in court....
there is this crazy thing called JAIL we take bad guys there
and people need to be held accountable for their actions ...
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If I've done nothing wrong then why not comply and move on with my day. Only a damn fool would choose otherwise.
Posted by tiki33sssupesss not only didn't comply but physically fought the police and NOTHING happened to him ...this man with the autistic person did comply and got shot ....and the officer STILL told his higher ups that he felt like his LIFE was endanger ....the system is BROKEN and it needs to be acknowledge and repaired ..not made excuses for ....Posted by Cancan26Compliance is and had always been a vital part of the process between civilians and police officers to maintain safety and order between the two.Posted by tiki33why would there need to comply if you didn't do anything ...— and officers are supposed to be trained to take in what the law assumes are INNOCENT people until proven guilty ..this is unacceptable ....Posted by Cancan26Not complying to an officer's commands demonstrate aggression which can be deemed as potentially dangerous and deadly for the police officer. Not having a weapon does not mean the officer is safe from harm.Posted by tiki33really none of this matters...the police could have found 5 different drugs ...10 guns....and plans marked "how to take over the world" and it STILL wouldn't have mattered ...
The very beginning of her encounter with him was not captured by video so the public is missing a very important part of what led up to her shooting him. Over a minute of commands that he did not comply to. Walking in traffic and if he was taking college courses then was not a completely disabled incompetent man that lacked intelligence.
people deserve their day in court....
there is this crazy thing called JAIL we take bad guys there
and people need to be held accountable for their actions ...
If I've done nothing wrong then why not comply and move on with my day. Only a damn fool would choose otherwise.
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Posted by tiki33That's bullshit. If there was really a minute of commands that were not followed and escalated the situation they would have released it to further her case. And 24 commands in 1 minute, that is literally impossible.
The very beginning of her encounter with him was not captured by video so the public is missing a very important part of what led up to her shooting him. Over a minute of commands that he did not comply to. Walking in traffic and if he was taking college courses then was not a completely disabled incompetent man that lacked intelligence.
Originally they were saying he reached through a window to get a weapon. But investigators found the Windows all up and no weapon so they had to acknowledge the truth. Unprovoked manslaughter by the same people meant to protect and serve us.
You still haven't linked his criminal record for us. Also more bullshit.
1. No crime was committed. He was waiting for help because his car stopped.
2. Officer claimed she feared her life and feared he was reaching in his window for a weapon. Investigation proves his windows were raised.
3. Before anyone knew any details about this situation, he had already been labeled a 'bad dude's by the men in the helicopter.
2. Officer claimed she feared her life and feared he was reaching in his window for a weapon. Investigation proves his windows were raised.
3. Before anyone knew any details about this situation, he had already been labeled a 'bad dude's by the men in the helicopter.
4. If an officer can't tell the difference between violent, threatening behavior and behavior of a person that needs assistance, they need not be in the police force. I'm not confident in requesting assistance from an incompetent officer. The same way we require professional service when handling our finances, I require the same when it comes to emergency/health/safety situations.
5. Are we gonna pretend that officer bang bang shoot em up doesn't have a shady history? How will you justify her past dealings. I have receipts...
And herein lies the problem, civilians that hate authority, refuse to comply, feel they've complied on their terms will most likely be treated as aggressors.
Carry on
Carry on
Posted by GetMistedOlder generations of blacks complied and/or died (most often died) up until Civil Rights movement. It was a hallmark of black lives to be harrassed, lynched, beaten, and killed by cops.
A comply or die motto opens the door to abuse of power and extortion.
Which is exactly what is happening.
People just don't, won't, understand this.
Posted by tiki33Again, criminal record you described? LadyNeptune asked for....
And herein lies the problem, civilians that hate authority, refuse to comply, feel they've complied on their terms will most likely be treated as aggressors.
Carry on
Older generations of blacks complied and/or died (most often died) up until Civil Rights movement. It was a hallmark of black lives to be harrassed, lynched, beaten, and killed by cops.
People just don't, won't, understand this.
We are going backwards.
Posted by tiki33Your delusional. The whole point that is being made is that complying American citizens are being treated as aggressors because of the color of their skin.
And herein lies the problem, civilians that hate authority, refuse to comply, feel they've complied on their terms will most likely be treated as aggressors.
Carry on
Still waiting for you to produce his so called criminal record...
Same article...
An officer used a Taser on Crutcher twice during that arrest while he was face down on the ground, based on the officer’s claim that Crutcher did not comply with at least three orders to show his hands.
Dispatch audio released Monday revealed that an officer ran a background check on Crutcher’s license plate, which found nothing indicating that a warrant had been issued for his arrest.
“It’s undisputed that the officers on the scene (Friday night) had no idea what may be in Terence’s car,” family attorney Damario Solomon-Simmons said during a press conference Tuesday. “They had no idea about the previous 911 calls. At that particular moment he was shot, he was not a suspect for any crime. Period.”
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/local/pcp-found-in-vehicle-occupied-by-terence-crutcher-on-friday/article_d965a1f2-072b-57bf-a682-6b1cfb22b246.html
An officer used a Taser on Crutcher twice during that arrest while he was face down on the ground, based on the officer’s claim that Crutcher did not comply with at least three orders to show his hands.
Dispatch audio released Monday revealed that an officer ran a background check on Crutcher’s license plate, which found nothing indicating that a warrant had been issued for his arrest.
“It’s undisputed that the officers on the scene (Friday night) had no idea what may be in Terence’s car,” family attorney Damario Solomon-Simmons said during a press conference Tuesday. “They had no idea about the previous 911 calls. At that particular moment he was shot, he was not a suspect for any crime. Period.”
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/local/pcp-found-in-vehicle-occupied-by-terence-crutcher-on-friday/article_d965a1f2-072b-57bf-a682-6b1cfb22b246.html
For any of you who still follow this case, toxicology shows Crutcher had PCP in his system at the time.
Kind of puts a whole different light on this incident.
Kind of puts a whole different light on this incident.
Posted by GetMistedPosted by CancerOnTheCuspI disagree.
For any of you who still follow this case, toxicology shows Crutcher had PCP in his system at the time.
Kind of puts a whole different light on this incident.
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You're free to do so. And the officer who shot him is still guilty of manslaughter.
But it turns he wasn't some innocent guy out and about.
It also explains his behavior. BTW, PCP is illegal in case anyone didn't realize that.
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