Traditional Heavy Metal vs Thrash Metal?

Do you guys have any preference for one of the other? To me it's something I've thought about all day. And from both scenes I noticed things.

NWOBHM/ Traditional Heavy Metal

1. Took some influence from punk rock (sounds like around guitars and production)

2. A bit more melodic than thrash

3. Didn't really have a natural music enemy

4. Continuation of the first wave of heavy metal from their predecessors. Whom had more of a blues rock influence.

5. Varied a lot in what style s they went for.

But for things what I may call a downside or something that brought the NWOBHM down it'd be.

1. Could be boring at times. Based on tastes, like you may think it's never enough

2. It left as quick as it came. Which I think the New wave began in 1979 and ended in 1984 I think. Then Thrash took over.

3. Major record labels, style changes, and going underground. Which is where I think Saxon is at right. Underground. Raven and Diamond Head went onto a major record label, and the albums we got from them when they did. Were subpar. Canterbury and Stay Hard. In a way it kinda killed what NWOBHM was about. But I think there's ways it could've been made to work. And style change happened too. I don't really wanna go into too much detail there.

Thrash

1. Took a hell of a lot of influence from the American punk rock scene (Which I will not refer to as hardcore because that's just dumb).

2. More rhythmic, I hear a lot more of the bass following the drums then I do bass following the guitar and drums like I do with NWOBHM.

3. Had a natural enemy. Hair Metal, erghh. They were like the cobra and mongoose. Hated each other. Because one was a rip off and commercialization of true heavy metal. And the other was the spirit of the NWOBHM, after smoking meth and flying high with a vengeance.

4. Thrash can be repetitive. It can. Trust me, the drumming is usually what makes it sound the same. But it doesn't make it bad none the less

Downsides or so I think.

1. Burnout, some thrash metal bands had a habit of burning out after album number 2 or 3. It's raw energy, power, and speed. But I think at some point they used the best ideas first and that slightly killed them. That and they were inconsistent.

2. Repetition, as much as I said I was fine with it. It may have killed it off in a sense of them not really evolving their style or showing they can be diverse if they're only sticking to fast tempo drumming and thrash riffs with yelled vocals on social issues or death.

3. Lasted from 1983 to 1992. 9 years. What killed it afterwards is the rise of nu metal and alternative. No, better yet. Thrash committed suicide and saw revival around 2004. They wanted to show they can be different or jump on major label bandwagons for support. So they started doing alternative stuff. It alienated the fan base and killed what little support was left from around 1993-2003. But great, both of these genres are seeing revival.

Anyone have thoughts or prefs here?

Traditional Heavy Metal:







Thrash Metal:

Great topic. I'll come back to this in a bit. 🙂

Posted by kissmygrits
Great topic. I'll come back to this in a bit. 🙂

I look forward to hearing from you 🙂

Ok I of course prefer Thrash because that is what I grew up listening to. Hair metal bands were just not my thing and they were too much like New Kids On The Block of bands to me. My friends listened to that crap. 😆

I did (late pass ) discover Motorhead (which is not NWOBHM) during a Young Ones episode and my life changed. Yeah I knew about Iron Maiden and such but that got us talking about metal and bf at time mentioned Diamond Head and Angel Witch. Then we listened to records all night (it was the 90s sheesh)

So still love Thrash but appreciate NWOBHM. ❤?

And yes At The Drive-In got their name from a Poison song but I overlook that because they still kick my ass every time I still listen to them.

Posted by kissmygrits
And yes At The Drive-In got their name from a Poison song but I overlook that because they still kick my ass every time I still listen to them.

Those guys aren't traditional heavy metal. They're the bastardization and commercialization of it. Called Hair metal. Don't confuse with the good guys like Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, or Saxon. 🙂 They fought for something awesome.

Posted by bumboklatt
Thrash Metal

cause the rhythm has much more to offer and I prefer the fast tempos

the textures of palm muted riffs and open notes etc in thrash is the best IMO

Megadeth showcased the best riffs IMO

but I like to use this as an example of the crunchy palm muted textures that I like and the tempo/drums is legit

Tony Iommi vs Dave Mustaine?

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Posted by kissmygrits
And yes At The Drive-In got their name from a Poison song but I overlook that because they still kick my ass every time I still listen to them.

Those guys aren't traditional heavy metal. They're the bastardization and commercialization of it. Called Hair metal. Don't confuse with the good guys like Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, or Saxon. 🙂 They fought for something awesome.

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Yes I get that. I was referring to ATDI kicking ass not Poison.

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Posted by Sn1p3r187

Posted by kissmygrits
And yes At The Drive-In got their name from a Poison song but I overlook that because they still kick my ass every time I still listen to them.

Those guys aren't traditional heavy metal. They're the bastardization and commercialization of it. Called Hair metal. Don't confuse with the good guys like Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, or Saxon. 🙂 They fought for something awesome.

Yes I get that. I was referring to ATDI kicking ass not Poison.

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Oh sorry. So anyway, I've noted thrash metal bands have a habit of burning out.

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Posted by bumboklatt
Thrash Metal

cause the rhythm has much more to offer and I prefer the fast tempos

the textures of palm muted riffs and open notes etc in thrash is the best IMO

Megadeth showcased the best riffs IMO

but I like to use this as an example of the crunchy palm muted textures that I like and the tempo/drums is legit

Tony Iommi vs Dave Mustaine?

well two different style s

Personal Fave is Dave Mustaine

Tony Iommi tho is a creative genius

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Yes that he is.

Posted by bumboklatt
Thrash Metal

cause the rhythm has much more to offer and I prefer the fast tempos

the textures of palm muted riffs and open notes etc in thrash is the best IMO

Megadeth showcased the best riffs IMO

but I like to use this as an example of the crunchy palm muted textures that I like and the tempo/drums is legit

I mainly ask this because I'm trying to find my truest source of inspiration. I'm currently in conflict between me wanting to start something good inspired by the old stuff like priest or maiden or what came after like Metallica or Slayer. I mean I listened to a lot of thrash and don't get me wrong I love thrash. But I went back and listened to the older stuff and it conflicted me.

I was with a guy who was bass player with a death/thrash metal band. I had always been into rock but this stuff went to another level lol. The names of some of the bands he was Into were funny.....carcass, slayer, morbid angel, and his apartment walls were covered with posters of them all. He had very long hair and wore very tight black jeans 😛. Quiet guy off stage, crazy headbanger when he was playing

I married him and we had a son who grew up to hate death metal. The ultimate rebellion hey?

🙂

Posted by ChrisIsKodak
Heavy. I feel you can get "more" out of it then thrash. Heavy can be brutal or inspiring or beautiful. Thrash is like a bull in a china shop in my opinion.

I think thrash is the definition of brutal there. Thrash has some interesting riffs and there's actually some good slow and mid paced thrash

Posted by Nevermore
both, but I'm more a lust of melody.

I find the melody to be lustful as well