Neither totally chaotic nor totally projectable (Page 2)

Posted by ManInTheMoon
The very meaninglessness of life forces man to create his own meaning. Children, of course, begin life with an untarnished sense of wonder, a capacity to experience total joy at something as simple as the greenness of a leaf; but as they grow older, the awareness of death and decay begins to impinge on their consciousness and subtly erode their joie de vivre, their idealism – and their assumption of immortality. As a child matures, he sees death and pain everywhere about him, and begins to lose faith in the ultimate goodness of man. But, if he’s reasonably strong – and lucky – he can emerge from this twilight of the soul into a rebirth of life’s elan. Both because of and in spite of his awareness of the meaninglessness of life, he can forge a fresh sense of purpose and affirmation. He may not recapture the same pure sense of wonder he was born with, but he can shape something far more enduring and sustaining. The most terrifying fact about the universe is not that it is hostile but that it is indifferent; but if we can come to terms with this indifference and accept the challenges of life within the boundaries of death – however mutable man may be able to make them – our existence as a species can have genuine meaning and fulfillment. However vast the darkness, we must supply our own light.

-Stanley Kubrick

But the indifference is relieving in other scenarios.

- you don't need revenge cause your enemy will have a downfall too. sooner or later.

- you're made of particles and will be made into particles and from there will be another version of you.

- your enemy could be made of particle which together with some of yours once belonged to the same being.

Whenever I hear of children's joie de vivre, I have to think of how they are cared for by parents (well, most of them). Adults seem to be children who never get done with the tasks so that they could find five minutes of playing around. for example toturing animals.

I think the root cause of our problems is overcompensation. We found out how to have food despite natural enemies, but we did not stop at that. We want to be more than a survival hero. About to lose the paradise for a third time.

Posted by seraph

Posted by DwellingOnMove
@seraph,

I may have found something that can help marry your model with mine. I'm reading a book about Ego-Depletion. On the web I read experts don't want to recognize it. Yet they suggest "Cognitive dissonance".

"[...] ego depletion, and studies mainly observe it by measuring how long people persist at a second task after performing a self-control task (the depleting task) [...] Researchers have questioned whether subjects are truly experiencing ego depletion, or whether the individuals are merely experiencing cognitive dissonance in the psychological tasks."

In both cases the result might be confirming your model on how to approach life events. Also own thoughts. The more detached we are to the learned (externally infused) beliefs, ideas, or values, the less we are prone to exhausting our biological resources.

Multiple experiments have connected self-control depletion to reduced blood glucose

When we have to control our rages due to unjust or impolite behavior of other people, it is time to

- keep physical distance to this kind of people

and/or

- question our persistence that people have to be just or polite.

I'll check this for one week and make notes on how practical the idea can be.

Great stuff, Dwelling.

The holidays (including a bit of flu) have prevented me from answering as soon as I would have liked, but I’m looking forward to doing so sometime over the next few days. I’m glad you’ve hung in there through the conversation.

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no prob. take ur time. on my side there's a chaos flowing around. so...

Posted by DwellingOnMove
Edit: the title of thread wanted to be, "neither totally chaotic nor totally predictable"



The Buddha told us that "Life is Suffering".
Some say let's plan the life. The others say let's just explore it. Can't they both fall into the trap of a crisis. At least at some point of their lives?

How come the suffering does not keep us from still trying to get through it again and again?

" How come the suffering does not keep us from still trying to get through it again and again? "

For some of us with a strong spirit, it doesn't. For others, unfortunately, it did.

@Seraph, is this what you meant?



- agree: I must say there are times I hate my mind for being judging everything. those moments when my mind is crowded.

- doubt: Apart from that I cannot forget the fact that the mind needs trial-and-error activities. to be able to support the body.

-whatnow: ... moderation? back to nature? eremit life? try it at least for once?