Heart wont let go... but Mind says it's done

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Against my better judgement, I'm airing my feelings and frustration out to my friendly Bulls and Fishes about a Bull with Fish rising from a Fish with Cancer rising. I am just venting right now, but through this, I am letting go. I am placing all of he cards on the table and maybe get some feedback on someone who I have left myself the most vulnerable for- which is a HUGE lesson learned.

16 years ago I met and dated a guy for 2 years. With him, I felt comfortable,, safe and truly could be my self in every way. I fell in love with him and he fell in love with me too. The problem was two fold. We were only 17-20 and he had a drinking problem that I couldn't ignore. I asked him to choose the alcohol or me and he chose alcohol. I left. Before I did though, I revealed that I was expecting a baby. He asked if it was his and I told him no as I didn't trust if he was fully faithful to me (toward the end, he was very sketchy). He said he would get sober, marry me and raise my baby with me since the biological father wanted no parts of us. Long story). I declined and said that if he couldn't be sober for himself, he couldn't be sober for us. I walked away. He was hurt because he wanted a family with me. I didnt know any of this until we broke up. I wanted to marry him as well, but not with the substance abuse.

Fast forward 2 years, I met my husband and married him 2 years later. When I got engaged, I called the Bull to tell him. I did so becuase I was hoping that he would say that he wanted me back, sobered up and wanted to be together again. He did say that he made the biggest mistake of his life by letting me go and that he will always regret it. I asked him about his gf at the time (mutual friends told me and I saw him out with her one night- he left her side to come speak to me). He said that she was aware of his feelings for me and that he didn't hide them at all. He said that if he could go back he would and make me his wife. I asked if he was sober and he said no. I wished him well and hung up.

I moved on in my life, had 2 more children. Found out from a mutual friend that he had gotten heavy into drugs and alcohol even more than before. over the years, he had lost a lot of weight and finally went to prison b/c of trying to support his habit. He went away for 6 years. He was released last year.
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(cont'd) I knew he was in prison, but I didn't write. I didn't know what mental state he was in, nor his personal situation so I left him alone. He was released last year. He friended me on FB and I accepted.

Througout my marriage, I have loved my husband (a scorp), but he told me that he wouldn't do the romantic things that I love. He said that he didn't want to do that because that's how he seduced his ex-g/f and since I'm his wife, he didn't want to do the same. This hurt me like HELL, but I stuck with it since I did love him and my daughter needed a family. He of course never budged from this. In March of this year, I finally said I cannot pretend that I'm happy anymore when I was so desperate for genuine affection from him.

This past year, the Bull friended me on FB but we had never chatted or talked. We just saw each other statuses. One day however we finally got to chat. We caught up for a while and he asked how I was. He saw I was married and i said yes w/ a family. He said he was happy for me and sorry that he ever let me go. He said that he didn't realize what he had while he had it and will always regret that. If he had the chance, he'd be with me again and start the life we should have had. I said I did want to marry him and still did love him, but figured he had moved on too. He had a g/f but wasn't happy and wasn't going to marry her. He said he couldn't see him marrying a girl like her. I told him i was sorry to hear that. We continued to talk.

At first, we texted daily. I'd get a text every morning and several times a day. All of the feelings from years ago came back. At least for me. I realized that things with my husband and I had to improve or I was headed for trouble. I told my husband that someone from my past came back and I was paying attention. I told him that there was something missing in our marriage and I wanted HIM to fill the gap, not someone from my past. He refused saying he wasn't going to be romantic like I needed him to be and never will.

To shorten this story a bit, Bull and I continued to talk, he broke up with gf a few weeks later saying she just wasn't what he wanted/needed and could get into trouble with the things she did. About a month later, she tells him she's pregnant. His 1st, her 4th. He was upset but said that he wouldn't abandon her since she's having his child. Ever since then, it's been a roller coaster. He's changed a lot as a friend and in general. He has told me that he's not happy...
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(cont'd) at all. I went back to where i am from (where he's at now) to visit him and some other friends. At the last minute, he broke our plans by not showing up. He had blown my phone up for the 1st 2 days I was there and then, when I said a guy friend of mine was sharing a room with me ( he's like a big brother to me), Bull called jealousy and being uncomfortable and bailed. I was heading back home when he asked where I was and I told him the airport. He apologized for his actions and behavior and said he was jealous of my "big brother"'s relationship with me since he didn't know him and didn't feel comfortable with him rooming with me. (my big brother's girl stayed with us too).

When we got back, I gave him space, he apologized. We began talking again, but he again had his disappear and reappear. Each time claiming stress and dealing with son's mom. Then his son's mom's house was uninhabitable due to a fire at her house. This stressed him more as he lost a lot of things for the baby and felt even more unprepared. I did my best to be there as a friend, but from VERY afar (another state). Through out this time, he has been asking me to lend him $ $ to help pay for a car as I helped him clean up his credit so he has a zero score. I said no, go ask his son's mom. He laughed and said she cant help. I told him I'm not in any shape to help financially at all as I am going thru a separation and have to support my family. He said he understood. Meanwhile, he tells me how he loves me and is unhappy being around her and where he is. He kept referring to a future 2gether once all of this is over.

It's now been a month since we have spoken. As VB said, I'm CLEARLY off of his radar and no longer exist in his world. He hasn't responded to my texts/emails (last sent a month ago. To me, he's either moved on to stay with her and/or someone else and I have no place. This could be because I didn't give him what he wanted/he was full of shit from jump.

While I do miss our conversations, the attention and his friendship, I feel like it's time to let go. CLEARLY, he's done the same. He has promised me the world and I have yet to see any of it. Either he is giving it to her or he never intended to give it for me. I haven't said this to him at all. I have just faded away in the background. IMO, there's no reason to state the obvious to someone who doesn't really care.

Am I wrong here? I have skipped LOT and left out many details,so plz ask questions. THX XOXO
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Thank you, Sweet. I appreciate your input. ((Nights))
I agree with you 100% Sweet. He DOESN'T deserve me. Thank you too for understanding everything w/ my husband as well. That isn't working out well at all. Scorp just doesn't get it! When I've laid out a CLEAR map of what I need, then what else is there to day? He just refuses!

As far as Bull goes, I have deleted him off of my FB totally. It hurts to accept since i did love him so and thought he felt the same way, but I refuse to compromise. I thought he knew me better than that and truly respected me, but it's QUITE clear that he didn't. Baby or not (I don't even think the kid is his anyway), he has clearly made his choice and I'm not a part of that. It may sound selfish, but I'll be that if it means I keep my dignity and self-worth. It was hard to accept, but now it's undeniable.

It WAS hard to say no, but he has to stand on his own two feet and I made that clear. I told him that I REFUSE to be a FWB situation. I AM still married and in any case, we live across the US. I also told him now that I am separated, I still will not be physical with him as I cannot separate sex w/ love and refuse to do so. For me sex means relationship and possession and I will NOT accept anything less. He said he understood and agreed. He also said he wasn't leaving my life for any reason and he wouldn't lose me again. He lied. He got mad I took him off of my FB. I told him that I didn't need people in my business. I friended him again after that, he never responded. I'm sure he ignored me. I cancelled my friend request.

I'm sure that he wanted to use me from the start and would continue to do so if I let him,but I refused to. Like I said, I will miss him and will always love and care for him, but it's time to let him go.

He wont come back. I can assure you of that. The reason why? Because I'm not going to give him what he wants. So I know he won't be back. I don't think his pride will allow that.

I will do just that, Sweet. I'll cry for the last time and then I'm focusing on myself and my kids and moving on with my life. Maybe one day I will find that love that makes me happy. For now it's me and my kids. XOXOXO

Thank you.
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Posted by shortii

Fast forward 2 years, I met my husband and married him 2 years later. When I got engaged, I called the Bull to tell him. I did so becuase I was hoping that he would say that he wanted me back







And that's just one quote .... you commented many times on how you play the Bull and your husband for attention.

What goes around comes around .... yours should be on it's way.
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Fast forward 2 years, I met my husband and married him 2 years later. When I got engaged, I called the Bull to tell him. I did so becuase I was hoping that he would say that he wanted me back







And that's just one quote .... you commented many times on how you play the Bull and your husband for attention.

What goes around comes around .... yours should be on it's way.
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If that's what YOU glean, P so be it.

Thank you for that.
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okay, im done with the ones who think they are perfect Arijerk and nights! you are stupid hypocrites and im done with you two!





You have to change your perspective here .. they aren't being stupid because they know better and choose to be ignorant.

Ignorance is something that cannot be helped.

What you said flew over thier head, and since they wanted to answer without really getting what you said ... they were left with the only option of answering you derogatorily.

What you said takes higher brain functions .. which these two obvious weren't born with.


You are right, actually ..... she kicked him while he was down, and then punished him with the threat of never having her when he was unable to rise up to accept her .. notice she waited UNTIL he is at his lowest to put him to this. Not only is that mean and cruel, it's also selfish as hell.

Not to mention, she was proclaiming her love to a man she was engaged to .. which means she's an emotional cheater on top of her cruelty.
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..... my husband (a scorp) ....

I told my husband that someone from my past came back and I was paying attention. I told him that there was something missing in our marriage and I wanted HIM to fill the gap, not someone from my past. He refused saying he wasn't going to be romantic like I needed him to be and never will.

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Of course, it has to be kept in mind that this is all bullshit .. probably her just writing out a fantasy because we all know that a Scorpio isn't going to be so non-chalant when he finds out his wife has been paying attention to another man.

It's not uncommon for a Pisces to have these kinds of delusions ... people just have to look at it logically to see if the Pisces is talking about reality or fantasy. A Scorpio is the epitome of being possessive of his/her territory, and would fight to the death, rather than shrug his shoulders, and then continue being ignorant to his wife's cheating.


Those without the brain capacity to put two and two together probably think it's real.
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"I moved on in my life, had 2 more children. Found out from a mutual friend that he had gotten heavy into drugs and alcohol even more than before. over the years, he had lost a lot of weight and finally went to prison b/c of trying to support his habit. He went away for 6 years. He was released last year"


I wouldnt hesitate to say that he gave full throttle on addiction after your notification that you got married. Im not trying to lay guilt on you but I dont see the reason you needed to call him and tell him this news. I think it was mean.

He has a hardrow to hoe and he will need people that can relate/understand and have been there and succecced and it will be a lifetime effort. I hope he makes it. If he doesnt, I know there is another place that will take him and care for him with forgiveness and kindness!

Its not that he didnt love you enough to give up addiction...its about not loving himself enough to not kill himself
from self hate, disspointments and pain, shame, guilt and alot of other demons that is eating him alive!

He needs someone to catch him and pull him back out of darkness into light. Someone that knows the way! There are a few!



@Suport-
I wanted to clarify you things:
1st- I said that I left out a lot of details, so feel free to ask.

2nd-" I asked him to choose the alcohol or me and he chose alcohol. I left". He discovered he had a drinking problem after we started dating. I stayed w/ him for 2 years. I didn't abandon him. He refused to get sober. He made that choice. I *WAS* there for him. I tried to help, he refused to take it. When dealing w/ an addict, as you know, you can either help or enable and I didn't want to enable anymore. I never held him accountable and now, I did.

3rd- I called him to tell him when I got engaged, partially because I was hoping he changed, but he didn't. Part of me did want him back but most of all, I wanted to know how he felt about me, because he kept it so guarded. I found out later that he was professing his love to everyone but me. He was gushing to everyone that we were together. I didn't find this out until recently. He was also dating someone at the time that I told him. Someone who supported his habit and didn't hold him accountable. She was a part of the problem too. In a lot of ways, I wish she had. Maybe things would have been different for him.
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He needs someone to catch him and pull him back out of darkness into light. Someone that knows the way! There are a few!

I did catch him and pulled him back out of darkness SEVERAL times.. he refused to cooperate. I didn't and still don't judge him. I accept him as he is. I also have always loved him with an open heart and been supportive of the RIGHT things that he did/does. So, PLEASE don't assume that I let him down in any way. If anything, he let himself down.
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i never said she owed him anything. i said her calling him and telling him she was married blah blah blah was
mean and vindictive! end of story.

if you dont care then why say anything? you speak out both sides of your mouth!



I don't care about him or what prison life does to people. They put themselves there.

But I do agree that she should not have called and told him. It seems Shortii was carrying a torch for him throughout her marriage which is pretty shitty and unhealthy on its own.
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He did admit that he put himself in prison by not getting off of drugs and takes full responsibility for it. He said it saved his life, but also made him realize how much he loves me and how much he messed up by letting me go. He said that I will be the biggest regret of his life, that he didn't marry me when he had the chance. He said that he had a good woman and couldn't be what I needed him to be then so he wanted to make up for it now, even if it means just being a friend. He said that he had 6 years to really understand and appreciate what he lost.

As far as carrying a torch for him, I can't say that I carried a torch, but a lighter. It would turn on and off, if you can even call it that. Love him, always have always will. Act on any of it? Not until the marriage went sour. I had the opportunity to contact him in prison, but I didn't. He did something very noble for me though while he was there. I had a very tragic family tragedy take place and the person who caused it went to the same prison he was in. He beat this person's ass and spent a few days in solitaire for it. Why? Because he knew that he had hurt my family. He some how found out (he never met these family members) and made it his business to go after that person for me. as sick as it sounds, I find it touching.

I agree, It is shitty and unhealthy, but it was what it was. Never said I was innocent in all of this, Im just speaking my truth.
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Posted by Suport
okay, im done with the ones who think they are perfect Arijerk and nights! you are stupid hypocrites and im done with you two!



You are right, actually ..... she kicked him while he was down, and then punished him with the threat of never having her when he was unable to rise up to accept her .. notice she waited UNTIL he is at his lowest to put him to this. Not only is that mean and cruel, it's also selfish as hell.

Not to mention, she was proclaiming her love to a man she was engaged to .. which means she's an emotional cheater on top of her cruelty.
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I am only an emotional cheater if the emotion was there to begin with. Scorp never gave it to me. You can't cheat on/with something that you never had. That's like wearing a ring and saying you are engaged but you're not dating anyone or even have a boyfriend to begin with. It doesn't count.

Second, he ALWAYS had the opportunity to "rise up to accept" me. He has chosen not to do it. I didn't wait "UNTIL he is at his lowest point to put him to this." Before April, the last time we had any interaction was 2000. Moreover, when we got in touch again and he claims to be sober, I told him how proud of him that I am and encouraged him along that same path. He was the one who got involved w/ the 1st woman he met after he got out- who has an occupation of "hustling" and is into all of the stuff that he's supposed to avoid. Again, it's about choices!
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Suport- Lastly, both you and P, are making it out to seem like he was a total debilitated mess and I walked away when he needed me most. That's not true. When we started talking again, he told me about his on and off g/f. As far as I know they may or may not be together. He loved her and still may. In either case, according to him, she doesn't reciprocate his feelings all of the time and now he's having a child with her. According to him, they are "cool" for the baby, but he won't abandon her.

He's told me that he loves me and wants a future with me, but is so wrapped up in his situation, he just can't. We didn't leave things poorly, but the disappearing isn't cool at all. He knows it hurts me, but clearly, even after a month, it's not enough. You can call it selfish if you want, but even with my kids, 50 hr a week job and life, I still would squeeze him into my life.

I accept that I will always love and care for him, I did NOT abandon him. I've tried to be there for him so many times. He doesn't want to be there for himself. If he can't be there for himself, then I can't be there for him. I will NOT enable him any further and he has to grow up. I have to do the same.
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First, Shortii, i feel you shouldn't complain your life is complicated because you made it so. If you loved the taur, why marry a scorp? You're like a tumbleweed that just accepts what life throws at you and then weep and whine later when it turns out to be more like a train wreck than having it all come together. I can't help but wonder how your life would be like If you waited for the bull or even helped him out of addiction in the meantime, instead of pretending to move on and be happy, even marrying and having kids, when you aren't at all.

I might probably agree with support and p angel here, it's obvious from little leads you were using one to get back the other. In the end happiness isn't yours still. You need to understand the Pisces rising person - they live in fantasy and that fantasy definitely includes you. When u broke thenews you were married, he retreated to fantasy even harder because that was what sustained him - fantasy. I get the feeling he felt he didn't deserve you and so he never did chase you and felt ud be happier with your new scorp. He is at a very weak point in his life - though I don't think you should be blamed for leaving, I wonder if you'll be happier should you have kept your sights on him through the years. Of course your bonus now is your children.
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Posted by Suport
"its a good song"

i disagree. the song sucks and so does she! she sued her own father! shes a demonic money grubbing whore!

she is an attractive person on the outside but her music is poo poo! IMO!



You did some research on Beyonce's background, but not the song.. it was inspired by her, but definitely not written by her.

"Best Thing I Never Had" was composed by Patrick "J. Que" Smith, Kenneth "Babyface" Edmonds, Symbolyc One, Caleb McCambell, Atonio Dixon, Knowles and Shea Taylor. `Adapted from wikipedia.com

You gotta seperate your feelings for an artiste from the song. It pretty much stands alone, and speaks of "karma" and "revenge" on bitter love feuds.. it's a great song for releasing poisonous thoughts, or reveling in them.
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Posted by Suport
i dont like her music. i dont care about who wrote it or what it means. if she is singing it im going to pass on it!

i dont have to like what you like! and if you like that crap better than ray charles than you have poor taste!


I have no connections with you, and no expectations of you. Why you have to like what I like, and I have to like what you like? I don't know who Ray Charles is, not about to find out either!

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None of this is even real.

A husband, especially a Scorpion one, isn't going to ignore his wife's indescretions. She even said that she threw another man (the Cap) in his face and he had no reaction.


Pisces people, when they are young and haven't gotten a bearing on reality yet .... their reality/fantasy is distorted, and it's difficult for them to recognize what is real and what isn't.

Obviously, this woman hasn't grown into her gills yet, and still cannot decipher what is real ....


Logically, the characters in her dream (husband and The Other Man), aren't going to behave the way she described them.


I kind of feel sorry for her ... for her delusion to be this descriptive, means she's been living inside of the fantasy for quite some time.

Hopefully she'll say something to one of her people in the real world and they'll pop her bubble.
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Posted by P-Angel
None of this is even real.

A husband, especially a Scorpion one, isn't going to ignore his wife's indescretions. She even said that she threw another man (the Cap) in his face and he had no reaction.


Pisces people, when they are young and haven't gotten a bearing on reality yet .... their reality/fantasy is distorted, and it's difficult for them to recognize what is real and what isn't.

Obviously, this woman hasn't grown into her gills yet, and still cannot decipher what is real ....


Logically, the characters in her dream (husband and The Other Man), aren't going to behave the way she described them.


I kind of feel sorry for her ... for her delusion to be this descriptive, means she's been living inside of the fantasy for quite some time.

Hopefully she'll say something to one of her people in the real world and they'll pop her bubble.



I'm quite sure Neptune loves living in a bubble.. not popped..